/lit/ - Literature

>>5873456

L'albatros is the best poem ever composed in any form or language

fite me faggets

>>5873466
P...Pau?

>>5873466
This poem is good but "Les Litanies de Satan" or "Voyage" are in my opinion superior

>>5873456
>"Les Fleurs du mal"
The very kind of romanticism that is now kill.

>>5873487
Charles Baudelaire is not entirely romantic, as he see its shortcomings. He inherits also the strictness and mastery of the Parnassists. Not to mention his affiliations with the symbolists

Why is /lit/ reading T.S Eliot while Baudelaire is put aside.

>>5873466
Chón, is that you?

He is very underrated here.

>>5873456
He's brilliant, he pretty much got me into this whole "poetry"-business

how much content will I lose if I read a translation?

>>5873539

Maybe because it's primarily an english speaking board ?

Every native frenchspeaker has studied a dozen Baudelaire poems in high school, but next to none have heard of TS Eliot unless they're into it in the first place.

+ Translated poetry never does justice to the original work. That's true in both directions

>>5873487
The deranged and satanic kind?

>>5874062

If the translation doesn't rhyme, not too much.

If the translation rhymes, throw it away immediately.

>>5874094
Exactly

The manga was better than the anime IMO

>>5874125
Dat ending theme though
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXvCMAmhJ44

Any other works similar to this? Ive been dying for more poetry, similar to Baudelaire, or novels.

>>5874878
read russian symbolist and acmeist poets of the silver age

I celebrate the visceral sensations Baudelaire imbues upon the reader (even in translation) and find much that is interesting in his beautification of morbid, fleshy subjects. His poems are poetry of the flesh at their most excellent.

But reading Les Fleurs du mal can be a little tiring given how often Baudelaire returns to the same motifs and poetic direction. How many times can one read the word "azure"?

I have The Flowers of Evil on my bed stand and I try to read 5 or 6 poems each time I pick it up.

>>5874878
Verlaine and Rimbaud if you haven't already.

>>5874878
The other French symoblists of course.

Rimbaud above all, but I should warn you that a lived understanding of Rimbaud will ruin most other poetry for you.

Non-french, I'd check out Blake. They are not familiars in style, but definitely in feeling.

>>5874892
>his poems ar epoetry of the flesh at their most excellent.

>>5873456
He is really overrated. He has some very good poems, but he is far inferior to Banville/Gautier/de Lisle. 'Une charogne' is the perfect example of his poetry : some good lines, but the rest is purely mediocre.
Although, his critiques on arts are excellent, you should read it.

>>5873466
>"L'albatros"
>literally 15 years old choice

>>5873487
>"Les Fleurs du mal"
>romantic
azefjaefaefe

>>5874878
All the symbolists + some poems of de Lisle. Lautréamont/Ducasse is a good alternative

>>5874892
"De l'éternel Azur la sereine ironie
Accable, belle indolemment comme les fleurs,
Le poëte impuissant qui maudit son génie
A travers un désert stérile de Douleurs.

Fuyant, les yeux fermés, je le sens qui regarde
Avec l'intensité d'un remords atterrant,
Mon âme vide. Où fuir ? Et quelle nuit hagarde
Jeter, lambeaux, jeter sur ce mépris navrant ?

Brouillards, montez ! versez vos cendres monotones
Avec de longs haillons de brume dans les cieux
Que noiera le marais livide des automnes,
Et bâtissez un grand plafond silencieux !

Et toi, sors des étangs léthéens et ramasse
En t'en venant la vase et les pâles roseaux,
Cher Ennui, pour boucher d'une main jamais lasse
Les grands trous bleus que font méchamment les oiseaux.

Encor ! que sans répit les tristes cheminées
Fument, et que de suie une errante prison
Eteigne dans l'horreur de ses noires traînées
Le soleil se mourant jaunâtre à l'horizon !

- Le Ciel est mort. - Vers toi, j'accours ! Donne, ô matière,
L'oubli de l'Idéal cruel et du Péché
A ce martyr qui vient partager la litière
Où le bétail heureux des hommes est couché,

Car j'y veux, puisque enfin ma cervelle, vidée
Comme le pot de fard gisant au pied d'un mur,
N'a plus l'art d'attifer la sanglotante idée,
Lugubrement bâiller vers un trépas obscur...

En vain ! l'Azur triomphe, et je l'entends qui chante
Dans les cloches. Mon âme, il se fait voix pour plus
Nous faire peur avec sa victoire méchante,
Et du métal vivant sort en bleus angelus !

Il roule par la brume, ancien et traverse
Ta native agonie ainsi qu'un glaive sûr ;
Où fuir dans la révolte inutile et perverse ?
Je suis hanté. L'Azur ! l'Azur ! l'Azur ! l'Azur !"
Mallarmé

>>5874892
>. How many times can one read the word "azure"?
It's a colour...Would you rather he said blue every time?

>>5874902
>Rimbaud above all, but I should warn you that a lived understanding of Rimbaud will ruin most other poetry for you.

Why's that?

>>5876035
not this anon but just read "La Comédie de la Soif"
Totally perfect, a lot of things seems dull after it

>>5876035
dont listen to every crap which they tell you

>>5876052
>every crap which they tell you

rimbaud is trendy among americans because he wrote similar ramblings to what their poets write, if understanding this 'will ruin most other poetry for you', heh

>>5876065
Where are you from?

>>5876065
>Ophélie, le Bateau Ivre, les Chercheuses de poux, le dormeur du val, les Etrennes des orphelins
>ramblings
You are just completely stupid mate

>>5876065
Rimbaud is easy to have fly over your head. The first time I read him, I was woefully unimpressed and his poetry seemed to lack anything but those ramblings you are on about.

But that's what I meant by a lived understanding. Rimbaud begs you to induce the same states of excess from which his poems arose, to chart out on the same striving for person sovereignty.

Along with Blake, he really is the most liberating of poets.

>>5876301
you know, i'm reading aristophanes right now and when i imagine what aristophanes would say about rimbaud and about this 'begging to induce the same states of excess' i begin to giggle