/lit/ - Literature

It's fantasy that's actually good (fantasy from medieval time and earlier)

Wagner? More like Fagner.

>>585257

Actually, the Nibelunglied is the original story that spawned Wagner's Ring of the Nibelung operas.

fantasy?

wtf, guys... Its an epic poem. thats a genre.

>>585293
But it has like, monsters and stuff? So it's fantasy?

>>585257
>He doesn't know how to pronounce Wagner.

>>585314

Vahgner. Fagner is close enough.

Sigfried dies

>>585358

That's written in the back of the book, so not much of a spoiler.

Also, on a related note, my book calls the guy Sifrid rather than Siegfried. Is this the usual case with the enligh translations?

>>585296
thats like saying that hänsel and gretel are fantasy. or that the illiad is fantasy

>>585358
So does Kriemhild

>>585377
Exactly

>>585374

Sigurd is his real name. Siegfried is a German bastardization.

>>585377
>Implying the Iliad is not fantasy.

Are you saying you prescribe to Hellenistic polytheism?

>>585374
old german is strange, sifrid might actually be accurate, siegfried is of a newer date

>>585398
the literary genre of "fantasy" and something being fictional is not the same.

but i guess you knew that already

>>585413

Yes, I did. But in my trolling, I was still making a point.

>>585422
a bad one, though

>>585413
>>585422
>>585398
>>585377

OP here. Let me reformulate. My usual reading material is stuff like Trainspotting or Murakami's novels, which reflect a realistic world with maybe a slight supernatural element. Books which reflect a reality vastly different from our current one usually bore me because I cannot identify with anything nor anyone.

Better?

Consider this: fantasy attempts to emulate epic poems of old while behind wholly creative but without any of the religious baggage.

Actual epic poems may not be fantasy, but there is a resemblance.

In my mind, fantasy is quite indistinguishable from a magical romanticization of the medieval era.

Epic poems are set in the author(s) time, that is: antique authors writing about antique settings.

That seems enough to distinquish them for me, although limit cases would be easy to find.

I'd also agree with the hypothesis that fantasy is a modern derivation of epics.

Bugenhagen needed the 7 daggers of Meggido. He got covered in sand

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The Nibelungenlied is probably one of the most refreshing pieces of medieval literature I have read in a long time.


It's so deliciously dark and twisted, and the way things spiral so violently out of control for every character is a breath of fresh air when one is inundated with Roland, Arthur, and courtly love.

Also, that dude Kriemhild marries? That's actually supposed to be Attila the Hun, under a different name. People translate his name differently (for some reason), but the literary criticisms in the back of my edition label him as Atilla (and no, not Sigfried).

Suffice to say, Brunhilde is a bad-ass, Volk the Fiddler is an incredible badass, and the ending is fucking awesome.

Good choice, anon.