/lit/ - Literature

Why, the Gods demand sacrifice because the don't don't bleed!

>>5819267
It's an excuse to have a barbecue.

WHY DOES REQUIRE WEARING THE MASK

YOU SEE /LIT/? THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU MEME PEOPLE INTO STARTING WITH THE GREEKS. HELLENISM THREADS OUT THE ASS.

They don't, it's just a way of letting them know you appreciate them.

>>5819282
Partially this. Sacrificing is sharing at a feast, so any time you sacrifice, you will be feasting.

>>5819299
I know! Lovely.

>>5819341
Why is an atheist whore playing partisan to paganism?

>>5819267
>worshiping a bunch of rocks and pieces of wood

>>5819342
Maybe because we aren't assholes to her?

>>5819352
b8

>>5819342
>Paganism
That's as insulting as you calling me a whore.

"Christian charity" *Spits*

>>5819267
OUTTA MY WAY /tv/ FUCKING SHITS

>>5819267
They are big gods.

>>5819352
Better than worshiping nothing.

>>5819557

>not worshiping the idol of your own adolescent pseudo-intellectualism

are you even trying lol

>>5819555
If make this post, will the thread die?

>>5819407
>That's as insulting as you calling me a whore.
not as insulting as you calling yourself literate
or clever

>>5819865
no but it would be extremely heretical

THEY'RE BIG GUYS

>>5819924
You're a big religion.

>>5819924

for zeus

>>5819931
for jews

It's to show that our sins are worthy of death.
I don't think God agreed with it though. He even send his son to end it you know..

>>5819934
Was your religion dying part of your plan?

>>5819935
A lot of loyalty for ascetic apostles.

the meme rises

>>5819341
Not her, but frankly I've been propping up these threads because I like how much it pisses of Christfags more than I hate to see the board being shit up. Call me a edgy or a fedora. I don't give a fuck. If you think you can have a hegemony of thought for so long and not make enemies who have legitimate gripes against your religion, you are just being naive
>muh love
>muh religion of peace.
Fuck you.

>>5820007
>i want to actively censor people i disagree with

>>5820033
>Being illiterate

Christians suck and YHVH is a thunder god who had a wife

>>5820036
>Christians suck and YHVH is a thunder god who had a wife

>>5820036
Why are you so mad friend?
I'll pray for you.

>>5820043
Okay but he was and enjoy watching your death cult whither up during your lifetime.

>>5820033
>implying the church didn't do that for a long fucking time
But how could you possibly get that from anything I wrote?

>>5820007
you hate christianity so you support something that's even more retarded?

>>5820064
Quite frankly people can hold whatever silly little beliefs they want as long as they leave me alone and don't affect my life. Conceptually I don't really see that big of a difference between the two. In practice, though, which one do you think actually has an actual impact on society and even my life on day to day basis? Hint: The answer is not hellenism.

>>5820078
>In practice, though, which one do you think actually has an actual impact on society and even my life on day to day basis?
read: i'm pissy because mom makes me go to church on sundays

>>5820064
How the hell is Hellenismos more retarded than Christianity?

>>5820049
Stress is bad for your health. Maybe you should go talk to a priest.

>>5820108
>>5820135
>Waaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

And he's still a thunder god from a pantheon

>>5820115
Hellenismos is a caricature of a folk religion that's been dead for thousands of years. It's a perverse zombie religion and the fact that there are people who (apparently) take it seriously is disturbing.

Christians may believe all kinds of dumb shit but their religion is not dragged up from the dead, it still has its roots.

>>5820108
Trivialize it all you want with your strawman examples, but once again >>5820007. If you think there aren't plenty of people with legitimate cause to have gripes against Christianity, you are just lying to yourself. And unfortunately for you, you can't just make us "go away" anymore.

>>5820191
you're straight out of /r/atheism aren't you

>>5820163
Christianity doesn't have shit for roots, its doctrines have been rewritten a thousand times. Christ himself was a rewrite of numerous Jews before himself, and Paul was a major rewrite of Christ, and the Council of Nicene was an arbitrary inclusion, and every passing century what Christianity means has changed, it has no customs or moral traditions that have remained constant.

Say what you will about Hellenismos being a zombie religion, but it at least tries to emulate the customs and moral codes of its origin instead of constantly reshaping them to suit the dominant economic ideology and marketing appeal.

>>5820196
Going for the trivialization and strawman again? Bold. Any other tricks though?

But nope. I've been here for about 3 years now and post all the time. We're all here together. Forever.

>>5820200
>blah blah blah
Yeah no shit things change. The Greek religion changed while it was alive too. It doesn't mean the roots aren't there.
>at least tries to emulate the customs and moral codes of its origin
Yet another reason why it's retarded. Why would you try to emulate the customs and moral codes of a society completely different from our own? Sounds like a great way to get shunned/thrown in jail.

>>5820222
Most moral codes of Hellenism aren't really in conflict with today's society.

The roots of Christianity really aren't there, all has been forfeited in favor with little real emphasis beyond belief in most sects.

>>5820200

that's a lie. christianity might change its political agenda (which any pagan religion does as well) but its basic principles are quite unified among all its multiple churches and were kept intact, there is only one god and he sent his son jesus christ to the earth so he died to redeem the humanity of the original sin and everypony who believes it and leads a virtuous life will be saved by the grace of god and gets a life eternal

the original 'hellenismos' was a bunch of inconsistent teachings who didn't even agree if the souls reincarnate or they all go to asphodel fields or may be some go to the isles of blessed etc, didn't even have a unified mythology, arbitrary (really arbitrary) included new gods like egytian ones, changed the importance of some gods, like modified dionysus into a christ-like figure etc and generally were a real mess

the modern one is a hobby religion with constructed beliefs to which they try to keep some consistency and still already have different cults, like those who accept orphic hymns and those who don't

>>5820233
It's basic principles are unified because Christ basically got rid of them all, and Paul further simplified them to shit, and each century thereafter morals and traditions grew more slack. Can you name a single moral beyond belief that Christianity still has that isn't basic in every religion?

>the original 'hellenismos' was a bunch of inconsistent teachings who didn't even agree if the souls reincarnate or they all go to asphodel fields or may be some go to the isles of blessed etc, didn't even have a unified mythology, arbitrary (really arbitrary) included new gods like egytian ones, changed the importance of some gods, like modified dionysus into a christ-like figure etc and generally were a real mess
That's partially because they didn't kill each other over having divergent belief system, unlike the loving Christians.

>the modern one is a hobby religion with constructed beliefs to which they try to keep some consistency and still already have different cults
So like Christianity, except with a lot more structure to worship?

>>5819267

Because they weren't gods.

For the same reason an audience demands entertainment. But who am I to know....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUMObr35wxo

>>5819267

A lot of πίστη for a memeber of the Ten Thousand.

>>5820033
>Wanting Christianity to stop acting like it owns the concept of morality.
>WAAA CENSORSHIP!

No christfags, you are the censors.

Christianity does have roots. It's rooted in a misogynistic genocidal cult that liked to go around burning temples and cutting off foreskins, and hid behind a victim complex every time they were called out on this.

Everything that Christianity (or Islam, or ) does today that people complain about, is just a reflection of the ancient Israelites. "WAAA BABYLON'S NOT LETTING US CHOP DOWN THEIR ASHERAH POLES. WE'RE SO OPPRESSED!"

>>5820233
>everypony who believes it
Wow. Is this some kind of /mlp/ version of Christianity?

No one cared who they were until their gods requested sacrifice.

>>5820233

Christianity is basically a synthesis of the ancient religions of the region.

The acrobatics that they go through with their mystical "trinity" to try to be monotheistic is hilarious.
Hellenism rings more ytrue by accepting that there are many gods, and they are petty at times, and jealous, and really not that different from us, rather than some single mystical unchanging perfect glowy ball of force that is the end-all and be-all if the universe.

>>5819267
I thought that that they ate that way... but then I remembered ambrosia...
Maybe it's a thankful sharing of bounty?

>>5820033
>talking about other religions is censoring Christianity

Watch out folks, we've got a genius here.

Why do these discussions go on /lit/? There must be some other board to discuss LARPing on

>>5820901
For some reason, we get a lot of religious threads on /lit/.
Go figure.

>>5820901
A religion containment board must be created.

>>5819267
When we make a sacrifice, or pour out a libation, we are acknowledging the gods, by whose generosity we have food and wine to consume, and offering some to them as well.
It is symbolic, but deeply meaningful: I know I experince a very spiritual moment when pouring the morning libation to Hestia, for exampe, or leaving food on the altar.

>>5819407
>*spits*
Get the fuck out

>>5820901
If Hellenismos is LARP'ing, then so is every religion that uses ceremonial garb.

>>5820980
>>5820901
I find it very offensive that my faith is referred to as LARP-ing.
Is it that hard to believe that someone might believe in a different religion than yours?

>>5820980
>>5821000
>pretending to believe in an ancient religion and acting out worship
>not larping

>>5821094
We're not pretending to believe in anything, we sincerely do. If you can't wrap your head around people having a different faith than you, then maybe you're an asspie.

>>5821122

Do you at least admit that this is basically an exercise in create-your-own religion?

>>5819342
That's not the real butterfly.

>>5821122
>We're not pretending to believe in anything, we sincerely do
I think you're lying and at heart you're an atheist. If you're telling the truth then you're fucking nuts.
>If you can't wrap your head around people having a different faith than you, then maybe you're an asspie.
I can't wrap my head around people resurrecting some arbitrary long dead folk religion and then seriously, unironically, believing in it.

>>5821128
>>5821094
I don't know what your problem is, but I was raised with Greek stories, and the gods are very real to me.
I'm not putting down your gods , am I?

>>5821144

Tradition is perhaps at the heart of religious practice. I don't think you can try and revive a dead religion after centuries and consider it traditional.

It's therefore no different than Mormonism or Scientology. For some reason I have an intense mistrust and suspicion of "new" religions. I suppose it's because they are a product of modernity, whereas the decision to join a long-standing faith tradition is basically an act of opposition to modernity.

>>5821128
I was drawn to it through spiritual connection, so no, I don't see it that way.

>>5821136
>I think you're lying and at heart you're an atheist. If you're telling the truth then you're fucking nuts.
How am I any more nuts than any other theist?

>>5821152
>It's therefore no different than Mormonism or Scientology. For some reason I have an intense mistrust and suspicion of "new" religions. I suppose it's because they are a product of modernity, whereas the decision to join a long-standing faith tradition is basically an act of opposition to modernity.
Very interesting binary narrative, especially since there are plenty of atheists opposed to modernity, and plenty of theists in favor of it.

>>5821161

It's not a "binary narrative" (whatever that means). Sometimes we use language to approximate our points, particularly when space is limited.

Your neo-practice is not an organic tradition, sorry. It doesn't have the majesty and intensity of the major traditions, each of which is the product of centuries of tradition and the thinking of innumerable theologians and philosophers.

The spiritual techniques are undeveloped. There is nothing like vipassana, the Rosary or Salat. These are intensely beautiful and practical techniques. Neo-____ just wont' have that fire.

>>5821154
>How am I any more nuts than any other theist?
Other theists are born into their religions, they don't go looking for a random set of gods to worship and then start believing in them.

>>5821152
Then you are just another Israelite complaining about Babylon.

>>5821194
I don't see much majesty and tradition of Christian rock and bunch of people clapping their hands who haven't read any religion philosopher or even the whole Bible. On the other hand, the average Hellenist has read numerous Greek theologians and philosophers and worships according to a rigorous structure.

>>5821198
Most Christians I knew were not raised Christian, at least not more than negligibly. They decided they wanted to go to church and be Christians, and they found that through one way or another.

>>5821212
They were raised in Christian cultures, even if they didn't go to church growing up. No one has been raised in an ancient Greek culture for thousands of years.

>>5821200

I don't recognize any semblance of myself in that portrait, but if you insist.

>>5821206

You're completely correct in your comparison with mega-church Christianity. It's far from the source; not all that goes by "Christianity" is all that traditional.

But there's a tone of elitism here which I reject and which I do not intend to espouse. The often syncretistic practices of common people are not to be taken as inferior to the more theologized versions found in written works.

What bothers me immensely about my own ill-formed opinions of Scientology and Mormonism is that it's clear people have genuine religious experiences within these traditions.

I think there's this incredible and persistent aspect of human nature that manages to find genuine spirituality in the strangest of places.

But these exist in spite of the context, not because of them. In the same way, I would say that any genuine religious experience you have in Hellenismos is in spite of this grotesque Franken-religion and not because of it.

On a personal note, nothing irritates me more than religion cut with positive psychology and self help culture. I find this sort of thing disgusting.

>>5821219
So did most of the Athiests and Neopagans. They found Christianity to be unsatisfying and look elsewhere.

What you see as decadence and degeneracy is simply what happens in a wealthy and diverse society, people are allowed to have different ideas, and worship "False Gods."

Babylon was the greatest city in the world in the time the old testament was written, and the new testament was written at the height of the roman empire. (the new Babylon)

The fact that Christianity uses wealth and diversity as a symbol for pure evil is very telling in my opinion.

>>5821227
Listen, if you were a serious Christian, would you think that if you religion died for a thousand years and then was brought back, would you say it would cease to be a "real" religion? Obviously not.

With people who actually believe in their God(s), criteria for a "real" religion that you use is incomprehensible, and someone who isn't of their faith telling them it doesn't count as a religion because of atheistic reasons, is like a theist telling an atheist that atheism is in fact a religion.

I'm a Hellenist because *I believe in the Gods*, I have had experiences and feelings that lead me to have faith in them. From that perspective, you can see how I'd reject these arguments you're using.

>>5821247

>I'm a Hellenist because *I believe in the Gods*, I have had experiences and feelings that lead me to have faith in them. From that perspective, you can see how I'd reject these arguments you're using.

Sure, but you're never going to get me to respect your neo-babble as being on the same level as the major faiths.

Sorry m8. In my book you're way down there, below Joel Osteen's positive psychology Christianity, and the Bahai faith, and snugly in between "The Secret" and Mormonism.

I don't take your faith seriously at all. Give it a half millennium and I'll be happy to concede its worth (not by virtue of time but by virtue of its growth, development and maturity). But I think we'll both be in Hades by then.

>>5821253
Why should we care about the opinion of an argumentative tripfag with a phallic name?

>>5821253
>Sure, but you're never going to get me to respect your neo-babble as being on the same level as the major faiths.
i don't care, many Christians don't respect any faith but their own, and preach about how everyone who isn't their faith is going to be tortured eternally for it. On that ground, I don't respect the majority of Christianity.

I find Christianity to be extremely immature, it used violence to stamp out dissenting opinion even within its own ranks. Christians pay little to no heed to their own moral imperatives. Why should I respect that at all? They spread almost entirely by force, and they exist by extreme watering down and allying with whatever economic system is in order.

Any rational tradition of Christianity comes from Hellenists, the rest of its basis is mere prescriptivism..

The religion is a joke most popular with people who are poorly read.

>>5821256

You don't have to of course. But my sentiments are probably very common, as you should know by now.

Your "religion" is more like a club. And as someone who completely rejects the existence of the Olympian Pantheon, I don't think you're motivated by a genuine faith in the Greek Gods so much as you've beguiled yourself into thinking your hyper-individualistic religious choice is not the product of a series of deliberate decisions and a looming desire to have a religion all your own, but is in fact the product of serious faith.

>>5821262

I find you immature and your club silly. The sooner you grow out of this nonsense the better.

Do you really want to go around explaining to people how you practice sacrifice to the Greek Gods for the rest of your life? This is embarrassing.

>>5821279
I think it's a bit crude to call one's faith a "club". Why shouldn't Hellenists believe in their ancient religion? Why do they need any more validity than anyone else?
Plenty of people with no background in Hinduism, Islam, Christianity & etc convert: I honestly don't see the difference.

>>5821279
I don't mention it to most people, I'm not even the most who created most of these threads. However my girlfriend is my faith now.

You have a very superficial understanding of spirituality. Christians were willing to die for their faith, and here you are taking about how faith is too much of a pain if it might embarrass you? Faith is not about having it easy, faith is not about convenience, faith demands far more than a lack of faith, even if it can be rewarding. I have to abide by the morals and customs of my faith even when it would be easier not to, I can't come up with some philosophy to justify whatever I do and adopt it, I have to tailor what I do to my faith.

I'm not here to proselytize, I haven't started any of the Hellenist threads on this board. But where someone asks for information about the faith, I will try to help out, and if someone attacks me, I will certainly defend myself.

>>5821362
>I'm not even the one who created ANY of these threads
Even if I did most of the talking, especially in the big one a while back.

This 1990s religion is a joke, right? For vaporwave fans or something?

>>5821371
No, I assure you it's sincere.

>>5821362

You're not being attacked you're being ridiculed because you have a stupid new age belief that is basically ridiculous.

By all means practice as you wish. If it brings you joy and you're not hurting anyone then you have my blessing and encouragement, and you ought to have everyone's. But in the intellectual sphere, I don't find any value in your beliefs. To me they are absurd.

>>5821353

There is more in common with your example of conversion than I am comfortable admitting. It's food for thought. Cheers.

>>5819294
Lot of loyalty for a heathen!

>>5821371
I think this quote sums it up nicely

>>5821381
>But in the intellectual sphere, I don't find any value in your beliefs. To me they are absurd.
I'm fine with that, that is if you apply your standards to religion in general. Otherwise you're being bigoted rather than rational.

>>5821375

Yikes

>>5821400
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would crown their god with thorns before crucifying him.

>>5821401
There is so much meaning in that.
Holy fuck, I'm dying.

>>5821406
He didn't die so good.

>>5819267
>not converting to Shinto if you want to be a polytheist
shigeru.jpg

>>5821450
Weaboos are as bad as other pagans.

>>5821457
>seriously implying weeaboos can or want to into Shinto and not 2d waifus

>>5821483
Weaboo is anyone who has a hard-on for Japanese culture, period. If you are really into samurais and try to follow the Bushido, you're a weaboo even if you don't watch animooniacs

>Lets worship Christianity because it's followers killed everyone else.
>If anybody tries to resurrect any of those other religions they are just flaky new-age faggots.

>>5821507
bushido isn't shinto lol

>>5821509
Let's worship Christianity because it's true, and resurrecting pagan cults is one of the stupidest things you could possibly do, not even going to touch on heresy.

>>5821509
Correct.

>>5821525
Religion of peace.

>>5821509
better yet let's not worship anything

>>5821521

>Let's worship Christianity because it's true

Nope

>>5821527
Not worshiping anything is just the ultimate extension of Abrahamism.

It's a non existent god of desolation and destruction. Literally worshiping nothing. No wonder it takes such offense at Idols and other forms of representative art.

>>5821528
Hat might be getting tight on ya there pal.

>>5821520
No shit, that's not my point.

>>5821509
This is a thread for the discussion of Hellenism.
There are literally thousands of Christian threads you can post in.
By the gods, can't you just leave us this little corner of the universe?

>>5821546
>It's a non existent god
is there any other kind?

there isn't

>>5821553
No, you don't own any corner of the universe. The universe is God's and God's alone.

>>5821553
Friend anon, what you are referring to is greentext. The poster is using irony and saying things he does not mean to satirize a viewpoint he opposes.
In this case he is pointing out that Abrahamism is inherently violent and only got to it's current position through genocide and coercion. And that the "Fedora" "Flakey new age hippy" arguments are just perpetuating oppression.
The poster is actual in favor of Hellenism and other Neo-pagan religions.

>>5821561
Except Christianity is specifically worshiping the concept of nothingness and destruction, rather than an abstract representation of any phenomenon sane people would find beneficial. It's a religion thought up by a bunch of misogynistic desert nomads, and none of it's refinements and reconstructions have done anything to change that.

How is it that even though Greece was no really very good for producing an abundance of food, they still had a flourish artistic, literary and philosophical culture? I thought the general theory was that you need a very large surplus of food to achieve that.

>>5821586
>And that the "Fedora" "Flakey new age hippy" arguments are just perpetuating oppression.
Are you the same poster who says that Abrahamic religions have victim complexes? There's a difference between being oppressed and being mocked. Right now you're being mocked.

>>5821614
Yes, we are, but I don't consider it very well done mocking, seeing as how it contrasts us with Christians with Christians being not worthy of mocking. If you want to mock religion, fine, you want to use us an example, fine, but don't single us out for things other religions do, such as ceremonial garb, and then pretend these things are peculiar to us.

Not that, Anon, though. I don't claim that you're oppressing us. Just that you're being inconsistent and intellectual dishonest.

In May 2006 an Athens court granted official recognition to the veneration of the Ancient Greek pantheon. Referring to the ruling, Father Eustathios Kollas, who presides over a community of Greek Orthodox priests, said:

>"They are a handful of miserable resuscitators of a degenerate dead religion who wish to return to the monstrous dark delusions of the past."

Sums up my feelings on the matter.

>>5821632
I'm sorry but reviving an ancient pagan superstition and taking it as seriously as you do is a special kind of retarded. Nothing you say will convince me otherwise.

>>5821648
Well if you don't distinguish between superstition and religion, then why would you say my religion is any more retarded than anyone's else?

>>5821645
>degenerate dead religion
>monstrous dark delusions
Are you scared?
Do you think that our rites and prayers and sacrifices might awake something that has been slumbering or uninterested?

>>5821778
That would be pretty awesome if it were true.

>>5821781
>implying it isn't
Oh friend, there is so much more going on than you realize.

>>5821804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOxFIREZpVc

I suggest we ignore this bullshit. There have been like 20 threads on this and it's always the same butthurt Zeus-cock sucker whining about not being taken seriously.

/thread (please)

>>5821820
They weren't me.

>>5821820
no idea why the mod hasn't deleted it

>>5821831
Presumably because it pertains to literature.

>>5821841
It does not, I see no discussion of literature ITT

>>5821853
Probably because the OP is in the form of a meme, and a lot of posters cared more about saying how Hellenism is fedora than actually discussing anything.

Anyhow, it's clear the mods don't like anti-Hellenismos threads, since they deleted this one: >>/lit/thread/S5818037

muh heritage

>>5821866
But that's how Christians look.... And atheists look ever worse.

I didn't know this whole memereligion was real until some fag told me about it.

What's next, 4chanism?

>>5821866
>>5821831
>>5821820
>Afraid Poseidon and Ares may awaken and wreak havoc

>>5821874
Where are your Gods now?

>>5821868
no most christians and atheists aren't neckbeard larpers

>>5821866
I agree with this.

People are desperate for the void that the "death of God" in the West has torn from their psyches, and are now latching on to whatever tradition appeals to their sense of materiality, fashion, convenience, social and cultural mindset.

New agers, yuppie buddhists, superficial neoreactionaries/christians, etc.

>>5821891
desperate to fill*

>>5821891
>>5821897

Moreover they approach tradition and the sacred as children without discerning. They fail to understand the meaning behind tradition and what it means for the sacred to BE sacred, which is an excellence beyond man. That which is superior to the individual.

>>5821911
>That which is superior to the individual.
Nigga, from what I can see you all sipping the same kool aid. Get real cuz.

>>5821918
Coyness doesn't make you any less wrong.

>>5821884
As long as we're in meme lang (where you're arguing from), most Christians are Amilards and most atheists live on mountain dew.

Are there any Semitic neo-pagans who worship Asherah and Baal?

>>5821911
>Hellenists don't understand that Godlike excellence is excellence beyond man

>>5821911
>Moreover
Oh. My. God.
We've got a live one, folks.

>>5821247

You know, you can climb Olympus and see there is nothing there.

>>5821927
no this is exclusively for edgy white people

>>5821938
>what is supernatural

>>5821949
make believe

>>5821956
Oh, I see: you're one of those edgy atheists.

>>5821939
As opposed to other neo-pagan religions? Listen, being able to build your own religion will always be a privilege of the Bourgeois. The proles aren't educated enough to understand that any alternative exists.

But, if the children of Christians want to make their own religion, why not revive the traditions which Abrahamism trampled, rather than MAH NORDIC ANCESTORS or START WITH DA GREEKS LEL.

>>5821804

I'm not sure I can think of any more patronizing and stupid thing anybody has ever said.

Get your head out of your ass.

>>5821949

But the gods were always supposed to have an actual physical presence in the world. That's where they would be if they were anywhere.

>>5821975
Why would you trade one middle eastern religion for another unless you were middle eastern. I thought the whole point of neo-paganism was to adopt the beliefs of your ancestors before homogenised christianity washed them away.

>>5821938
No shit, do you actually think that the Greeks believed the Gods physically resided on Mount Olympus?

>>5821985
The Greeks didn't actually believe in the gods, that's the great irony of this whole thing.

>>5821975
>only the bourgeoisie can be Marxist!
Nice try, Thaddeus IV.

>>5821989
Neither did the Jews, that doesn't make Judaism an fake religion.

>>5821983
Civilization as we know it started in the middle east. Even the Greeks were influenced by Persian culture.

Also, any neo-pagan religion is going to be tainted by Christianity, for example modern depictions of the norse gods make Baldur into Jesus, and Loki into Satan.

But even Jesus is just a corrupted form of Baal (Fun fact, Baal literally translates to lord), and if you look around, you can reconstruct parts of Semitic paganism by reading different translations of the bible.

>>5821983
Yes and not. For Greeks actually living in Greece, there is a movement to regain Hellenismos as an indigenous religion. But outside of Greece, it's a matter of being drawn to Hellenismos spiritually.

>>5822010
Modern depictions of the Greek Gods are based on old depictions, at least among the religious.

>>5821985

According to their texts, yes. Whether they actually believed it, doesn't matter. According to their religion, the gods had a physical presence, therefore to believe in the religion now, you have to believe that the gods are actually there.

>>5822215
According to their myths. Greek myths are not comparable to the Bible, they're more comparable to Dante and Milton. It was not considered blasphemous to deny the myths or to offer different interpretation on what actually happened, Greeks did that all the time.

You need to understand that works like Hesiod's "Theogony" were not read in worship, they were not priestly texts, they were just poems.

>>5822238
Well then, what WAS the priestly text? How can you reconstruct a religion from just it's poems?

>>5822238

Now you're entering into semantics and justifications. The greeks didn't have any bible analogues. The best they had was Homer, and as everybody knew, the poets lie. The entire religion was oral tradition, and as such any attempt to imitate it now is just wishful thinking.

>>5822261
Priestly text was the Delphic Maxims and the method of worship employed by the priests.

Poems play an important part in Greek religion, since even prayers were often in the form of poems. It's just that there was no officially sanctioned poems to use, like with the Book of Psalms for Christians. The Orphic Cult had the Orphic Hymns officially, but traditional Hellenismos doesn't have any explicit doctrine of stories beyond that the Gods exist, although there were plenty of cults with mythological doctrines.

>>5822294
A lot of details and additions based on particular places are lost, but the moral codes and the structure that custom operated in is still preserved. There are many various and contradictory sects besides the mainstream Hellenism, but they didn't kill each other like Christians

>>5822310
>but they didn't kill each other like Christians
I guess that's the only good feature of your religion since it's the only thing you talk about

>>5822326
It is? I guess you didn't look much at the bigger thread there was a while back.

>>5822326
talk about slave morality

>>5822310

So you're fucking children too, then, huh. Since that was one of their big Do's.

>>5822371
Not in any of the Delphic Maxims.

>>5822371
But that's one of the most virtuous things in life.

>>5822378

The hellenes were so proud of their pederasty Herodotus himself bragged that they taught the persians. If that shit didn't end up in their religion, it's clear that they were just hypocritical assholes.

>>5822392
Herodotus said they taught the Persians to fuck boys, I'm quite sure the Persians were fucking girls before the Greeks rubbed off on them to try boys.

Do you have to fuck little boys if you practice Hellenismos?

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>>5822447
No, you could just be the little boy

>>5822450

I'm 34.

>>5822453
Have you got a beard?

>>5822458

Yeah and I'm harrier than an Iranian man at Sea World.

Trust me guys, you don't want this meme
It ruined my life

>>5822591
Jesus christ

>>5822591

>>5822591
A big meme.