/lit/ - Literature

>>580159
rather incredible, make sure you know about russian student's nihilistic ideas at the time to understand

it's a book about christfag morals

don't read it unless you just want to say "I read dostoevsky" or else you think anybody who violates god's law should be put to death

I liked it better when someone posted that one with Jack Bauer on the cover.

>>580208
no it isn't
it's about how society's irrational rules drive a talented young nihilist to murder and how, even knowing that there are no rules in life, there are still consequences and that is a great injustice

>>580232
whatever makes you sleep at night, dude...

>>580232
>>580208
You're both wrong. A man with no choices left in his life tries to do the unimaginable in order to escape, and that has dramatic effect on the world around them.

>>580269

>A man with no choices

>implying he wasn't offered a way to make money by his friend

>>580269
you think you are funny, huh?

well, you aren't.

ok, maybe just a little bit.

>>580274
Well, from Raskolnikov's point of view, it wasn't a choice. While I agree you with completely, his severe depression caused by being crushingly poor most likely contributed to him being unable to sustain work.

>>580303
But he just gave away his money when he had it.

...I've read the book already, but you guys should consider marking your comments with spoilers. Just saying.

>>580312
The book is 150 years old. Spoilers do not matter.

>>580312
shut the fuck up

>>580159
This book made me think about killing someone for real

>>580330
Why didn't you?

>>580312
everybody knows that raskolnikov kills a bitch.

its the most known fact about anything dosty wrote ever.

>>580308
Because he had already decided that it wasn't going to help him break out of where he was stuck.

>>580331
Who said I didn't ?

>>580330
I bet it makes everybody thinking about killing someone.

but I might be just gulligable.

I had ultra-violent daydreams for about two weeks after finishing american psycho.

>>580365


Did some old veck say something about the ol' ultra-violence?

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I found it boring (no action/etc) but at the end of the book, I felt very satisfied. Worth the read.

>>580464
Not enough "pew pew lasers" for you you cunt ?

>>580324

>implying the age has a fucking thing to do with it

If you think that, you're retarded. I could give details about Don Quixote too, but I choose not to, not because it's old, but because--oh yeah--IT WOULD BE FUCKING SPOILING IT.

>>580336

More than that has been said. If you haven't noticed, read the thread again. It takes two seconds to copy and then paste the spoilers line, why the hell is that such a favor?

>>580484

>Not enough pictures for you you cunt?*

Fixed.

>>580208
>don't read it unless you just want to say "I read dostoevsky" or else you think anybody who violates god's law should be put to death

You're an idiot.

>>580232
>it's about how society's irrational rules drive a talented young nihilist to murder and how, even knowing that there are no rules in life, there are still consequences and that is a great injustice

You're an even bigger idiot. Dostoevsky was a Russian Orthodox Christian.

such a fucking good book

if /lit/ has done one thing for me it has shown me that there are other young people who like Crime and Punishment, whereas before I didn't know any. I had always believe it would appeal heavily to young people but I think for many it TL;dR

>>580735
>Dostoevsky was a Russian Orthodox Christian
nonsense. What makes him so pecuiliarily R.O.? the blatant racism? that he named the parable 'the Grand Inquisitor' rather than the instead of 'the Great Oprichnik'?
Dostoyevskiy was most obviously an utopian socialist, that's why his materialists and nietzscheans are so dumb, repulsive and utterly unconvincing. It's him winking to your socialist self, telling you he doesn't mean it.

>>580833
This isn't even debatable. It's well-documented that he was Russian Orthodox. But I'm assuming you're trolling, and badly, I might add.

>>581004
It's well documented in his books that he wasn't! Just look at what happens to elder Zosima!

Aha! I have been trolled! Hereby i do proclaim anathema upon you all.

>>581011
It's almost like he was writing fiction!

>>581011
>>581004
>>580833
>>580735

I don't know what you guys are talking about, because it's a well-known fact that Fyodor Dostoevsky was a neo-Scientologist.

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>>581011

>that's the point

Curiously you're almost right, what with him being in the Petrashevsky Circle then being exonerated immediately before being shot, then he went all Godfag on us.

Why does he always have characters like Rogozhin, Raskolnikov, Ivan and Stavrogin, who are intelligent, with no redeemable social features that are generally sociopathic nihilists?

Is it some kind of moral statement he's making by positioning them with he likes of Myshkin and Alyosha?

Serious question here.

>Is it some kind of moral statement he's making by positioning them with he likes of Myshkin and Alyosha?
He clearly is, by making them noble or bourgeois rather than orphan like de Sade's Justine

>>581039
Yeah basically he's saying were all responsible for each other and consequences come no matter what. Only those without a concious can 'get away' with things. Ivan realizes he is his brothers keeper, Rask. goes mental - same goes for Ivan. Smerdyakov etc.

could a writer afford being something but a moralist fanatic in the 1870s? Censorship sure was pretty hard.

How far could Dostoyevsky have gone without getting banned to Siberia again? Is it even possible to substraction ideological formalities from his books?

>>581039
>sociopathic

Please, stop using this word incorrectly. To call Raskolnikov and Ivan, both of whom have a strong conscience, sociopaths is ridiculous. The only one of those characters who you could argue is a sociopath is Stavrogin, but I would argue that even he isn't. If you want to know what an actual sociopath is like, you should pay close attention to Pyotr Verkhovensky from "Demons" and Prince Valkovsky from "The Insulted and the Injured".

>>581064
Read up on his history. His Christianity definitely wasn't an act.

Jesus Christ, grow up. Must an author's views mirror your own in order for you to appreciate their work? He was a Christian. Get over it.

>>581179
atheistic absurdist here...

and i know and love Dostoevsky's work. but the guy i quote is right, he was definitely a christian... but a theistic existentialist (using words and labels created long after his death of course) but definitely a Christian. read some Brother's Karamazov and just look at the monk Zosima's shit, especially the long chapter that is just is belief system. shit was cash.

Whoever you are, you are a member of Cary Grove's World Literature class aren't you?
And I think it's good so far.

Raskolnikov believes that great men should be allowed to do whatever they want on their quest for power. He starts to think that he himself could be a great man, but after he murders the old lady and the young one (for money) he turns out to be a petty wimp and falls in love with a whore.

It's one of my favorite books, and I recommend it highly. The one downside is Dostoevsky's annoying touch of adding tons of religion and religious salvation to the mix toward the end. Otherwise an especially great read for young angsty brats like I was a couple years ago.

>>581137

>using sociopath in the wrong manner

Well, perhaps, but what I meant was how these guys portray themselves as Ubermenschen up to a point then when faced with a commitment (i.e. Raskolnikov's bitch-out after his murders) their supposed supremacy fizzles out.
Not that they ARE sociopaths as such, but that's how they see themselves. Much like most of /b/ or /r9k/.

>>581241
>Implying themes of hope and salvation are bad for a generation of fucked-up youth.
>FUCKIN' MORALFAGS, FUCK.

>>581278
>>581278
Better to overdose on reality than fairy tales.

>>581241
>a whore

You're not worth her little finger!

hhrrrnnnnnnnn

HE THINKS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT!
BUT HE CANT GET AWAY WITH IT

>>581283 Am I cool yet?

i don't like him

it's like sartre without the sex

>>581241 Otherwise an especially great read for young angsty brats like I still am.
>hurrdurr religion is bad

>>582541
That's pretty shallow.

I went through my whole day, thought this never got a reply..thanks for all the input people..

>>582547
exactly my opinion. his character are comic book cutouts with no persona or sole aside from their plot function