/lit/ - Literature

>>5809101
who is controlling the lever?

>>5809101

The purpose of the book of Job is to show the fourth face of God (namely evil and/or immoral) that is excluded from the so called trinity by those that believe in a just or good god.

>>5809864
In other words, it was shoehorned in.

Fucking patchwork cult.

Did Job suffer more than Jesus?

>>5809864
you even know that it's from the old testament when the conception of the trinity is from the new testament

>>5810451
So Job predicted Platonism!
>Runs around in circles with hands on head: Night On Bald Mountain

No, the question of the Book of Job isn't whether God did the right thing or not. God did do the right thing regardless of what humans felt about it, by virtue of his being God the thing he did was necessarily right. Rather, the torment of Job is the Jew's answer to the problem of evil: that answer being that you do not get an answer because life is a bitch.

>>5810481
Basically. It's when humans apply human concepts of mercy and justice on to something that is almost completely beyond them.

>>5810398

Jesus was directly, personally antagonized by Satan incarnate. He was also crucified and spent 3 days in Hell before resurrecting. He suffered more than the guy who lost all his material possessions.

>>5810498
Judas Iscariot wasn't Satan.

He was just the greedy Jew of the group.

>>5810509
Temptation of Christ

Not to mention the spiritual pain of bearing all the world's sins

>>5810509
Jesus gets tempted by satan in the desert, retard

>>5810481
The book really does do an excellent job explaining the collective psyche of the Jewish people, doesn't it? Christians look at evil and try to fit it into the cosmic order. Jews just sort of stand and endure.

>>5810474
you misunderstand the book of job too
it's not about that the god is evil, it's a later interpretation, it's about that the life is made (by eve) that way that even the righteous people can suffer, suffer not for their sins (not counting the original sin), but they have a hope that they will be restored if they still keep worshiping the god

read 'the poem of the righteous sufferer' btw

>>5810535
For once, I believe this trip is correct.

>>5810535
I was kidding about Platonism :|
I've read Job.
<-Read this

>>5810561
>Epicurus
>relevant ever
muh free will / God is a dick pretty much nips his argument in the ass.

>>5810668
Free Will is a joke and God being a dick doesn't help anyones case.

>>5810561
This is so dumb. God is not willing because he gave us free will, but he is able. That doesn't make God evil. QED

>>5810814
If there is a god, it make she/he/it/they irrelevant.

Haven't read this one but I read another of his books and it was super interesting.

Gutierrez is an extremely important writer in Liberation Theology (which posits a need for the religious to actively work for the radical liberation of the poor from their poverty, and hence the question of their suffering (and Job) is of primary importance)

I've heard this one is great.

>>5810561
Just say suffering is somehow necessary, or God is not completely omnipotent but still transcendent enough to be relevant or necessary.

Anyway, we've all seen this, why post it here?

>>5810824
it's marxism. don't immanentize the eschaton.

>>5810921

eh, I disagree strongly.

>>5810975
Liberation Theology is Marxism for Catholics.

>>5810996

Are you going to make an argument or what?

>>5811001

two different people there. look up pope benedict's comments on liberation theology. it has some good points but even he calls it out for being marxist.

>>5811075

I've read both the Instructions. I'm familiar. He has some nice critiques of liberation theology but he makes at least one sever blunder by stating that Marxism is an all or nothing philosophy (is there really such thing as a philosophy that cannot be accepted in part?).

Ratzinger seems to have a serious mistrust of Marxism and revolutionary projects, even as his fellows were being gunned down by reactionaries Latin America and even as the Sandinistas set up a viable socialist government.

>>5811075

>but even he

also, wat?