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Confused or misguided

Neurotic?

Transferential, meta-projective, emotive masochist, narcissistic, your mom

>>5807446
a cuck

>>5807729
not a word

>>5807683
nope, thank anyway ;)

>>5807458
too general

>>5807714
Narcissistic... suppose that will do until a better word comes along. As for those other words... No.

>>5807744
>not a word
Retard.

holier-than-thou

two letters

O
P

>>5807744

You do realize that not every idea has a precise word to represent it, and that some things are better off being simply explained, rather than encapsulated in a single utterance. All adjectives do is describe how, why, or what a thing does: this is why verbs are much more interesting (because they incite more interest, and are less subject to inaccuracy).

>>5807770
Prove it to me. Tell me a word which doesn't exist. Agree with everything else, though.

>>5807751
So you're telling me that "cuck" is a word? Could you give me a definition?

>>5807762
OH SHIT! OH SHIT! HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! OH MY FUCKING GOD! MUM! MUM, GET THE CAMERA!

>>5808008

There's no word for when you feel like someone is watching you. And that's just the first thing that popped into my head.

>>5808888

I don't usually say this, but quads proves validity: which there's also no word for.

>>5808008
>Prove it to me. Tell me a word which doesn't exist. Agree with everything else, though.

Are you serious?

There is no word for the state when I am specifically working out the equation 2+3+4+=9

There is no word when I am specifically in love with blue unicorn that defecates constantly

There is no word for sharing consciousness with a goldfish who has dementia but only on Wednesdays.

But to answer your OP, your should read DFW's short story THE DEPRESSED PERSON (the title is in all caps)

Manipulative is probably the most vague word that definitely captures all of what you are describing, but it also describes quite a lot else which isn't part of what you are describing.

I would look up specific forms of manipulation.

>>5808957

>There is no word for sharing consciousness with a goldfish who has dementia but only on Wednesdays.

This guy

>>5807446
it's called a "postmenopausal female", anon.

emotionally manipulative, self-aggrandizing, dragging a cross, acting put-upon, self-martyring, having a martyr complex

Some springboard thoughts. I feel like I'm still groping at it. Maybe one of those will nudge you into the right word or phrase, I'll post again if I think of some more

>>5808957
>>5809012
Guilt trip, coerce, pressurize, blackmail, to extort/extortion

Its the quoted, the above, plus, victimization

In what way is Mary being a cunt? Sounds like she's just being polite. There's nothing self-righteous or cuntish about that. I think you have some issues you're projecting there OP.

>>5809049
If you're first response when bumping into someone is, "Oh, selfish old me! I'm always thinking of myself!" Instead of saying something along the lines of, "Fuck, that coffee is hot." Then you might be a little odd.

>>5809049

>>5809049
woman detected

>>5809077
What's wrong with "a little odd"? She's apologising for bumping into him and simultaneously lifting the responsibility from him to her for the bumping, something which has resulted in her being burnt by hot coffee.

>>5809079
Am I missing some epic maymay going on here? This whole thread seems counterintuitive. Mary's being self-effacing and trying to not make Bob feel bad for being involved with causing her physical pain. You're all mad.

>>5809086
Wizard detected.

Me. I'm a mess. I oscillate between delusions of grandeur and self importance and self disgust.

I caught hold of this pattern years ago but don't quite know how to stop it. Extremely frustrating.

Anything mildly good that happens to me (say an A on a paper) sends me into hyper-ego mode. Anything mildly bad that happens to me (discovering I made a bad first impression) sends me into self hatred.

>>5809099

>Mary's being self-effacing and trying to not make Bob feel bad for being involved with causing her physical pain. You're all mad.

You're autistic. Mary is being obsequiously humble. Its vaguely masturbatory, and deprives Bob of a freely chosen response. She's saying 'I've already chastised myself for you, so now tell me I'm not selfish, so I can deny it and bleed more validation out of you, look how much nicer than you I am.' Its not politeness, its acting like you are put upon. Its not self-effacing, its self-indulgent. Quibbling for pious little churchmice who act deferential to show everyone how good a person they are.

>>5809099
No, you are possibly a bit autistic though. I am not even using that word in its maymay context.

It is entirely plausible that someone can blame themselves for an accident or action put against them in order to gain extra sympathy for the accident.

By doing this you are effectively making someone else look worse. No one would blame Mary for what happened, but by blaming herself, she makes Bob look worse. A third person looking in on the scene might think poorly of Bob for not taking responsibility for what happened, when in reality, no one should take responsibility for what happened, it was an accident.

It turns an accident into a blame game, and if Mary is manipulative, then she is doing this, probably knowing she will be seen as the victim by any normal person.

If the above is incorrect, then she is being melodramatic. There is no reason for blame or responsibility, period. It is an accident, making yourself a responsible of an accident, especially a trivial one where no one will blame you for it, is being melodramatic.

>>5808008
>So you're telling me that "cuck" is a word?
of course not, it's a chair. no, sorry, it's actually a broom.

>>5808888
paranonoia

>>5807446
curmudgeon is the first i think of

>a person (especially an old man) who is easily annoyed or angered and who often complains

>>5809125
You're a sociopath. Mary is being obsequiously humble, that much is true. She's chastising herself, Bob needn't do anything. You're projecting far too much into her intent. Some people might think like that but in OP's example there's no evidence for assuming it's the case. Granny bakes cakes for you because she loves you, she isn't thinking to herself that it'll make you indebted to her later in life. If you're that cynical then no wonder you're miserable.

>>5809012
Damn dude you is smart.

No but honestly those are all great.

>>5809138
It's plausible but it's ridiculously cynical to assume that's the case when there's no evidence for it as there is in this case. It doesn't make Bob look worse because that's just how Mary acts.

>>5809154
Guy.

OP set the scene in a certain context. Did you not read the rest of the OP?

OP is not "Here is this scenario, what is it?"

Is is

I am looking for a word where someone is x and x and x. Here is a scenario that fits it.

Maybe the scenario isn't the best to describe what he is looking for but it is very clear that he is looking for a particular word that has to deal with someone being negative in some form.

We are not "reading" into this too much. You just didn't read the OP enough.

>>5809118

psychoanalyze me plz

>>5809154
Not that guy that you replied to, but you seem to be the one lacking in social awareness, not him. These kind of people exist and are extremely annoying. Maybe you've just been fortunate enough to not meet one. It's the timing of the apology and the wording and it's very subtle. It might be hard to miss if you have difficulty judging social situations.

>>5809162
see
>>5809169

It is**

>>5809169
OP's scenario didn't fit what he was asking.

>>5809175
If there was something in the way she said it then it might be understandable but there isn't. She just looks up and apologises. You're both paranoid.

>>5809174
>>5809118
You're an average guy on the internet experiencing average and normal emotional states. Have a nice life.

>>5809181
Yes it did. The word he is looking for describes intention.

He then gave a scenario that describes the actions that fit with this intention (sometimes), and then didn't add "oh yeah to repeat what I just said a few sentences ago she has the intention which I just describe a few sentences ago in case you didn't read it or have partial memory loss"

>>5807446
me

>>5809189

noooooooooooo

anything but that! god don't make me average... don't make me just a normal ant in this stupid farm!

whyyyyy???

>>5807446
>Someone who somehow turns everything into an excuse to moan about their own problems.
At least on this, I call him Mark, that fucking loser.

>>5809188
Why would anyone ever apologize for something that you did to them?

>>5808008
Oh, and you are THAT other (but more or less the same) kind of person, I see.

>>5809138
how in the world does this make Bob look worse? Mary is trying to be courteous by not letting Bob blame himself for an accident so she blames herself. If anything, she is taking the blame before he does so that autists like you will think she's being melodramatic instead of Bob. Sounds like the nicest old lady to me.

>>5809195
The example doesn't give any evidence for her intention, outside of what she says, which is a simple apology. It's analogous to a thread where the OP asks for words which describe a horrible man-eating slut who likes to play with betas hearts and he gives the example "Mary is a sexy piece of ass who Bob asks out and she says "I'm sorry Bob, I just don't see you that way". A cynic would assume that she's saying it in a cruel tone of voice, when in reality the example is at best ambiguous, at worst irrelevant to the original request.

>>5809223
>how in the world does this make Bob look worse?

Chivalry. Maybe you don't think about or value it but someone who did would look down on Bob.

It is the same as asking someone to not do favors for you. If someone heard you saying "I'm sick of you always doing favors for me" they would look down on you when in reality you could be telling a stalker to stop stalking you. A stalker at least who likes to do favors for those they stalk.

>>5809205
Because some people are nice and don't want others to feel guilty. Particularly as in this case
>Mary bumps into Bob
It is actually her fault. Oh what a horrible bitch, apologising for doing something wrong! Like I said, you're insane.

Mother Fucker

>>5809235
>The example doesn't give any evidence for her intention,

GUY, read!

>He then gave a scenario that describes the actions that fit with this intention (sometimes), and then DIDN'T add
>DIDN'T

Why?

>"oh yeah to repeat what I just said a few sentences ago she has the intention which I just described a few sentences ago in case you didn't read it or have partial memory loss"

Jesus.

>>5809246
Anime reaction images and American spelling. Why am I not surprised? I know you're not all like that but you let these retards run rampant.

>>5809259
>RDJinblackface.webm

>>5809260
You are not fooling anyone

>>5809223
She intentionally takes it a step to far in order to force bob to validate or compliment or apologize to her. She engineers the situation by over-apologizing so that she is virtually guaranteed to get attention and make herself a 'martyr', for lack of a better word. Attention whore may be a applicable term. She's takes any chance she gets to masturbate her sense of self importance and graciousness. She is not content with absolving bob or hos error, she must one up him by actually apologizing for nothing and therefore putting him in the position of having been forgiven by someone so gracious and generous as herself. Shouldn't bob feel so thankful for her forgiveness and limitless kindness? She truly is a saint.

>>5809271
If she didn't apologise for bumping into him then you'd just complain that she taking a step "to" far and was forcing him to take the blame for HER bumping into HIM. You're completely batshit.

>>5807446
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>>5809246

Only on 4chan does an old lady get chastised for an apology.

>>5809263
Let me spell it out for you.

I said in the post you referenced that OP did not include the intention in the scenario.

You then said, "yeah but OP did not include the intention in the scenario"

Well no shit I just said that.

I then went on to say why OP didn't include the intention in the scenario in the exact same post you referenced. The reason was

because any semi-literate fuck can combine the sentences together. The first sentence. The next. And the next.

The scenario does not exist in some vacuum, why do you think everyone else besides you immediately understood what OP was trying to say?

>>5809284
Not really. She is apologizing for thinking of herself first when she has just spilled hot coffee on herself. You obviously don't understand the gist of what OP wants, bu that's ok. I'm not gonna call you batshit or insane or whatever. Have a good one.

A neet

>>5809296
I understood what he was trying to say, I just think he's a sociopath for thinking it and so are you.

>>5809147

No, paranoia is non-specific, son. Some people are paranoid that people steal their used tissues at night; others about people on the internet thinking that they're stupid.

>>5809304
It is a made up scenario you fucking idiot.

"Hypothetically, what if there was an old lady who loved to murder people?"
You: "Jesus Christ you think old ladies kill people? You're horrible!"

>>5809154

Re-read the OP. Its not about Mary, its about Bob. Nobody cares about Mary or how she feels about herself, she's spilled coffee on him and herself and all she can talk about is how that makes her feel. She doesn't give a twopenny toss about Bob or how he feels, its all about her.

Stop affecting naivete. Just because cynicism is more common than its opposite doesn't make it wrong, and being such a tryhard is unconvincing.

>Granny bakes cakes for you because she loves you, she isn't thinking to herself that it'll make you indebted to her later in life

Gran did nothing of the sort and I loved her all the more for it.

>>5809327
Re-read the OP, she spilt coffee on herself, not him.

>>5809325
Right but in the made-up scenario no-one gets killed, do they?

>>5809202
>>5809118

I used to have a similar problem, still do at times. Basically, you have an idealized perception of yourself as being more intelligent than you actually are, and so when you don't meet your unrealistic standards (that probably aren't based on much more than a feeling), you self-deprecate to no ends because feeling sorry for yourself is a strangely sweet delight; victimization can be deadly. But, when you do do better than your personal par, you conversely reward yourself much more than you should, because it validates your fantasied self-ideal that, as I said, doesn't really exist. In the end, both extremes probably probably balance each other out, but in a very unhealthy way. You need to come to terms with your abilities, mental faculties, deficiencies, etc., otherwise you're forever going to be caught in a cycle of "IM A GENIUS" to "im a fucking retard." The truth is, you're neither.

>>5809335

>B-b-b-but if I just split this hair you'll be wrong

Would you like more reeds to grasp at? Did I make any spelling or grammatical errors you can put in greentext?

>>5809327
Bob was a casual agent in Mary spilling the coffee on herself, regardless of what his intention was. By apologizing first, Mary removes all doubt who the culprit of the situation is. Bob has no time to to feel bad about something he was not responsible for, because Mary was being courteous first. You're assuming Mary cares about what response she receives from Bob, even though the scenario doesn't justify that assumption.

>>5809341

Yeah I have this thought frequently too. My current theory is that I have pretty bad ADD combined with a fairly high IQ (130 on a professional test).

I'm making an appointment with someone after this semester.

I appreciate your words though. Maybe I'm incorrect about the above but in my 'honest' opinion it's true.

>>5809246
>Chivalry

>>5809335
>Right but in the made-up scenario no-one gets killed, do they?

Are you serious? The point of what I said was to show that hypothetical scenarios can have whatever they want in them, and then to react to someone considering that hypothetical scenario as if they consider it to be real is ridiculous.

It doesn't matter if I gave you a scenario that has murder, rape, victimization, or goldfish.

The point was to show it is completely normal to assume intentions in a hypothetical scenario when the intentions are given in the hypothetical scenario.

You have a lack of reading comprehension and can't combine the rest of the OP to the scenario given in the OP.

Let me help you. NEW HYPOTHETICAL.

Example: Mary is a very polite but manipulative old lady. Mary bumps into Bob, spilling hot coffee all over herself. She let's out a suppressed little squeak, then looks up. "Oh, selfish old me! I'm always thinking of myself!"

>>5809354
If you haven't got it by now you're never going to get it.

>>5809355
Thank you.

>>5807446
Histrionic

>>5809362

You can say she's manipulative all you want but nothing about what she said validates that statement.

>>5809362
So you admit that the hypothetical in the OP doesn't support what the OP was asking? Yes, in your hypothetical, that would be fine. But we're not talking about your new hypothetical, we're talking about the one in the OP, and how you interpreted it.

>>5809362
NEW HYPOTHETICAL

Example: Mary is a very polite but manipulative old lady. Mary bumps into Bob, spilling hot coffee all over herself. She let's out a suppressed little squeak, then looks up. "I fucking love unicorns"

>>5807446
passive aggressive

>>5809381
I still can't get over that possessive apostrophe in the OP.

>>5809381

HURR DURR WHATS THE WORD FOR THIS SCENARIO

>>5809374
You are defending a made up woman.

I made that woman up you fuck. I know for a fact she is manipulative. You are beyond help.

>>5809377
>So you admit that the hypothetical in the OP doesn't support what the OP was asking?

No, you blind retard.

Read this. Then read it again. And again.
>You have a lack of reading comprehension and can't combine the rest of the OP to the scenario given in the OP.

You can dance around this all you want. It is completely apparent to everyone that you cannot for whatever reason take into context the scenario with the rest of what OP said, which is:
>Someone who somehow turns everything into an excuse to moan about their own problems. Someone who, although being self-sacrificing, seems disingenuous in how they constantly take responsibility for things knowing that nobody is blaming them for anything.
>This sort of self-righteous behaviour, being self-sacrificing while simultaneously being a cunt about it.

No one is saying that this type of person really must exist (though i'm sure everyone can give their anecdotes on how likely it would be).

We are describing a made up person. Get over it.

What words you use to describe this type of person?
Someone who somehow turns everything into an excuse to moan about their own problems. Someone who, although being self-sacrificing, seems disingenuous in how they constantly take responsibility for things knowing that nobody is blaming them for anything.

Example: Mary is a very polite old lady. Mary bumps into Bob, spilling hot coffee all over herself. She let's out an suppressed orgasmic squeak, then looks up. "Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"

This sort of self-righteous behaviour, being self-sacrificing while simultaneously being a cunt about it.

Thanks.

>>5809386
this

>>5809395
>You can dance around this all you want. It is completely apparent to everyone that you cannot for whatever reason take into context the scenario with the rest of what OP said
That's weird, because the longer this thread goes on the more people seem to be taking my side. Why did you suddenly drop the name field? Trying to look like more people agreeing with you, perhaps? Nice reaction image by the way. It's fine, live your life as a full-blown misanthropist if you like, I can see that's stood you well in your stead so far.

>>5809355

Holy shit, how long will this take to explain to you.

You have completely missed the point I was trying to make, so badly, in fact, that you've taken away the opposite message to the one I was trying to communicate. I know Mary doesn't care about the response she receives from Bob, that's half the point, because she should fucking care. It was his coffee. Everyone knows who was at fault, that's not in question..

The slight was very, very minor, warranting only a brief 'sorry'. Self abasement is not an apology, it shows no consideration for the injured party. If you cannot distinguish between the two, and the relevance of the distinction, then you are utterly tactless or being willfully ignorant.

This is like explaining what fucking walking is. She is ignoring the victim, and using something that she did wrong to get people to say 'no, no, its alright, you're not selfish, we all love you, bla bla bla'.

>>5807446
>>5809366

I think this is the closest so far. She sounds like a slightly narcissistic and coercive drama-queen who overly embellishes for the sake of martyrdom, thus never being entirely in the wrong because victimhood is the safest armor of all; she's impervious to attack because, in 4chan terms, she's the master of >inb4's, thus, she diverts emotional blame onto other people.

>>5809413
>inferring it was Bob's coffee
n1m8

>>5809413
It was her coffee you fucking idiot. She's at fault and she rightly took the blame for it.

>>5809427
No, saying it's her coffee just muddles the issue. The OP doesn't state whose coffee it is.

>>5809419

In either case, she's insulting herself for no reason. If Bob doesn't pander to her, regardless of what happened, he seems callous. This is not hard to understand.

>>5809436
She bumped into him, resulting in her being burned. She's apologising to pre-empt him feeling guilty for it. This is not hard to understand.

>>5809427

>>5809436

Eat shit.

>>5809442
Which side of the issue did you mean to insult? Are you confused?

>>5809440

>She's apologising to pre-empt him feeling guilty for it

That's the point you obtuse shit. By her overblown self-abasement, she will make him feel guilty. Acting in such a way would make any normal human feel guilty, or at least imply some degree of guilt should he not respond in the way Mary desires, which is obvious given what she has said.

Do you have autism?

>>5809454
If she's trying to prevent him from feeling guilty, how does that equal her trying to make him feel guilty? You're utterly deluded.

>>5809454

>By trying to make him not feel guilty for the spilled coffee, she's actually trying to make him feel guilty!

You're retarded

>>5809459
fuck man, why are yo arguing with the guy? he created the lady. a normal response to her apology would be for bob to go "it's ok, my fault" or something similar. she becomes the victim. she makes him validate her. she forces his hand. shes a weirdo.

his accusations of your autism might be more valid than you think.

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>>5809377

Full retard. I have never witnessed anyone being so deliberately dense.

Everyone arguing with these posts - go home, weary soldiers. Hover over 'x' and gently click.

Mods, please delete this thread before someone is driven to gouge out their own eyes.

>>5809465

Oh man, if you weren't so dense you'd be able to laugh at yourself.

>>5809366

nice one

also good job actually trying to answer the question.

I would call that person me.

I also happen to have ADD.

>>5807446
a pain the arse