/lit/ - Literature

>>5796055
Every book from The Western Canon.

>>5796055
Atlas Shrugged

Zettels Traum

>>5796055
nothing old and nothing european. if i was in college, i would but as a highschool teacher i want to at least let them think outside Shakespeare. we get enough of that shit

Hamlet
Paradise Lost
Sons and Lovers

good kid, m.a.a.d. city

>>5796105
Good one. Is there actually an english translation?

Catcher in the Rye
The Stranger
Notes From Underground

The God Delusion

>>5796055
do they teach non english literature in british and american highschools?

In France we only learn about french literature

>>5796134
>do they teach non english literature in british and american highschools?
No.

>>5796055
I consult with my department and the district pacing guide because I'm not some maverick idiot who thinks he knows better than his peers just because he was assigned a few books in college.

gravity's rainbow
everything William S Burroughs ever wrote
and a scattering of Charles Stross and James Blish.

>>5796055
Revolutionary Road
The Great Gatsby
To Kill a Mockingbird
Catcher in the Rye

gotta know how not to grow up

I would assign /lit/ and have all the students actively "discuss" whatever threads there are, like any other /lit/ poster does.

On the Road

El Quijote
Recuerdos de Provincia
sum Borges

>>5796055
Paradise Lost
Count of Monte Christo
Magellan - by Stefan Zweig
Candide

I am a high school lit teacher and I would not assign any of the works suggested here.

If the class is about reading long texts, it will suck. The class has to be about developing analytical and language skills. Class is about practicing these skills.

I use the strangest short stories I can find (adult-mode Dahl, Edogawa Rampo and bunches form "Sudden Fiction" anthologies). I like interview transcripts, fables, Biblical Parables, Old testament stories. For poetry Emily Dickinson. The one exception is Shakespeare, but only King Lear or Merchant of Venice.

With short texts that can be read and annotated the night before, classtime can become an intense workout of the students' analytical thinking powers.

Short, interesting works have the effect of re-stimulating a student's analytical mindset, so she has the desire to solve the mystery, whereas extended studies of longer texts easily degrade into aimless discussions of social problems from which students learn nothing and which are IRRELEVANT to the study of literature and language.

tl;dr Good English teachers don't "assign books"

>>5796055
>What books do you assign to your class?
>Implying high school teachers have any say in the matter

MUH EDUCATION BOARD APPROVED SYLLABUS!

>>5796234
>muh low-expectation, skills based approach
>"she"

Fuck off back to tumblr

>>5796234
You sound like a terrible teacher trying to justify being lazy.

>>5796127
You say as you tip your fedora.

>>5796331
that's a troll post pretty much
>For poetry Emily Dickinson. The one exception is Shakespeare, but only King Lear or Merchant of Venice.

>>5796331
>King Lear
>low expectations

As Edmund would say, "This is the excellent foppery of the world."

>>5796334

You sound like you don't know anything about teaching. There is an enormous amount of preparation time, not to mention expertise involved in preparing a stimulating and well-aligned skills based lesson.

You probably don't even know what modeling is, or its role in the learning process.

You're speaking to a master, so show some fuckin respect.

>>5796348
Merchant of Venice is low-expectations Shakespeare. I bet she spends half the class talking about anti-Semitism. All students should read King Lear, Hamlet, Othello, and Macbeth before leaving school. Possibly Antony and Cleopatra too.

The Iliad
We
Heart of Darkness
Thus Spoke Zarathustra

I let them pick 4 books from the literary canon to read as well.

>>5796055
DELTORA QUEST

>>5796055

I don't assign them any books, I tell them to check the syllabus and pirate the appropriate Cliff's Notes.

I then devote the entire class to teaching critical thinking, reasoning and argumentation, formal composition (for letters, CVs etc) and basic household budgeting until I'm fired.

The torrid affair I'll be having with the widowed mother of one of my brighter pupils will turn sour when said pupil attempts to seduce me and meets with success.

Then it's a ferry to Calais, a week to ten days of earthly Paradise and I guess a few years in the pokey. I'll be a janitor, then. A wise janitor. I'll write my memoirs. No-one will publish or even read them. Probably reach for the exit bag around sixty-ish, decent innings and still in control of my own bowel movements. One of my former pupils will have become someone important, and will pay for a modest grave.

I'd probably split it up so that they read at least one book from the most important literary periods.

>>5796134
At my high school we read shitty abridged versions of The Iliad and The Odyssey.
Other than that, no, everything we learned about was either American or British.

>>5796055
The Holy Quran(I assume they have read the Bible already)

Lucretius' De rerum natura

Spinoza's Ethics

Hegel's Phenomenology

The only book I'll assign will be Finnegans Wake and we'll spend the whole year only analysing it and nothing else.

First Moby Dick

Then Moby Dick

After that more Moby Dick

Class dismissed.

>>5796110
EXCELLENT choices

>>5796134
I read Crime and Punishment, but that was AP Lit not English class.

lit, rate my AP Lit teacher's actual current list:

Catch-22
Toni Morrison's Beloved
Heart of Darkness
Hamlet
Slaughterhouse-Five
Kate Chopin's The Awakening
The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao
Black Swan Green

>>5796191
4chan is considered a porn site by most school internet services.

>>5796457
Pretty good. My AP lit teacher had us read Beloved, Heart of Darkness, Hamlet, and the Awakening as well. Not sure why those books seem to be so widely read as opposed to other noteworthy books.

>>5796339
That's the joke.

>>5796055
That /lit/ meme book

>>5796161
>gravity's rainbow
Your class is going to hate you and not be able to comprehend anything.

>>5796457
>Toni Morrison's Beloved
le token black female

DROPPED

Fuck Asian bitches.

>>5796457
Our's was
>McCarthy- All the Pretty Horses
>Heart of Darkness
>Macbeth/Othello/King Lear (student's choice)
>As I Lay Dying
>Pride and Prejudice
>Brave New World

>>5796457
Don't know what AP lit is. My A-Level (last period before university) lit teacher set:

Heart of Darkness
Wuthering Heights

Oleanna
Hamlet
Reveneger's Tragedy

Sheamus Heaney
John Donne
Shakespeare's Sonnets

>>5796485
>Black women can't write
>Even if there are numerous examples to prove me wrong, I'll just dismiss them as token and refuse to read any

Top tier arguing there, m8

>>5796555
Name five good black female authors.

Hamlet (read in class so they actually understand whats going on)
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Great Gatsby
All Quiet on the Western Front
Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde
1984
Raymond Carver short stories collection
Nauseau Sartre (guaranteed to thrill a couple angstlords each year)
Harold Pinter collected plays vol. 1

Good balance of style and time periods, none is too challenging, all are shortish and entertaining and have some literary value. On one hand I am very thankful I had to read Crime and Punishment, heart of darkness, Invisible man, and other meaty works. On the other I didnt appreciate any of it at the time and stopped reading for a few years after HS. I would want to give a list where people like at least half enough to keep reading.

>>5796543
>assign oleanna
>QT student who has a C- average comes to "clarify" some points about the play after class
>Her face when she suddenly realizes that she has some power over you

>>5796094
I get it.

>>5796598

Toni Morrison
Dionne Brand
Toni Cade Bambara
Alice Walker
Maya Angelou

>>5796161
I know this is bait. But goddamn Burroughs have written some gay shit.

>>5796234
maybe you're right, but at least try to incorporate a book or 2. Exposing them to great literature should also be important (though as you said, not as important as teaching analytical skills).

>>5796555
The users of Tumblr await your return

>>5796457
Not bad. My AP teacher made us read similar books

Heart of Darkness
The Awakening
Frankenstein
An Enemy of the People
A Doll's House
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
The Color Purple
King Lear
Othello
The Importance of Being Earnest

That's all I remember. My teacher was a little drama-heavy.

>>5796055
Rush Revere and the Brave Pilgrims
Atlas Shrugged
Killing Jesus
David McCullogh's Truman
The Black Book of Communism
The Bell Curve
The God Delusion
The End of Faith
And we end with a marathon viewing of the Rambo series

>>5796331
kill yourself

>>5796055
Spring Snow followed by Runaway Horses. Perhaps they'll turn up to be school shooters, but at least they'll live lives full of passion.

>>5796912

And you know who's waiting for you.

I think a good amount of poetry would also be important for class. e.e Cummings, Gwendolyn Brooks, Yeats, Dickinson, and D.H Lawrence.

>>5796234
Anon, it came to my knowledge that you haven't being assigning the books listed in the obligatory educational curriculum. What do you have to say for yourself?

>>5796398
>janitor

>>5796134
We read The Stranger and part of the Odyssey.

>>5796945

Hey, I'll demand at least minimum wage.

>>5796672
I don't know who any of those cunts are except Maya Angelou, and she's not very good.

For class, I'd assign them to read any dictionary of their choice. Then I'll have a pop quiz where they have to choose their 3 favorite words and write why they chose these words.

>>5796941
>books listed in the obligatory educational curriculum

lel, are there actually countries that have such lists?

>>5796932
>hahaha you aren't a simpering liberal retard like me!!!! *sparkle*

Ouch, you really got me there femanon

>>5796989
Yes. The US.

>>5796911

Nah, you have to come to great literature to appreciate it. You can't have that shit forced on you. Trying to get them to love language and literature is far more useful in the long term. I think it's the right way to go as well. With the internet taking over the literary world people should try to popularise the short story again. It's perfect for this medium and the greatest novels never compare to the best short stories.

>>5797005
Go ahead and show us this. I took AP Lit in the US and our teacher forced us to read all the shit she wanted.

>>5796989
I think Denmark has an official National Canon of literary works that they teach in school.

>>5796989
>>5797005
>>5797020

If only there was an obligatory curriculum for literature. Sounds like a pretty good fucking idea to me. How could anyone be against forcing teachers to assign Shakespeare instead of stupid bullshit?

>>5797020
The US has an approved book list. Whether it's obligatory or not, depends on either the state, the board of education or the school.

We will spend the entire course studying Lolita.

>>5797048
>forcing teachers to teach dead old white men instead of relevant multicultural contemporary fiction

fuck off fascist

>>5797019
>the greatest novels never compare to the best short stories.
Retard detected

Gregory Palamas' 150 Chapters

Richard Epstein's Simple Rules for a Complex World

Rousseau's On the Social Contract

Raymond De Coccola's Ayorama

>>5796989
Some European countries such as France have a set list of official authors.

One of my teachers spent about a month teaching us The Crying of Lot 49. I hated it.

>>5797086
>instead of
Nothing in such a list would prevent a teacher from assigning both the old masters and contemporary authors in a class. Go back to tumblr and return when you have mastered application of critical thinking.

>>5796234
Good approach, kids are niggers who need to develop some skills, but
>she

I, Claudius
The Tempest
Molloy
Lolita

I think you can only assign English Lit in AP.

one of my schools cool teachers assigned her class fear and loathing in las vegas and the stranger

I wasn't in the class but I was so jealous of my friends who were blowing the books off simply because they were books

Infinite Jest

>>5796518
all nite long brudda

Slaughterhouse 5
Underground Man
Steppenwolf

Any classic novella really

>>5797180
>>5796398
>>5796409

where do i sign up, enlightened comrades?

>>5797000
>i am literally twelve

I'm actually jealous.

>>5797369
So you're teaching at a school for the severely autistic?

>>5796055
Twilight Saga
The Fault in our Stars
Harry Potter Series
Infinite Jest

>>5797416

>only one actual teacher has posted so far

Thought for sure there'd be more hanging out on /lit/.

>>5797433
It's also rare to see professional artists posting on /ic/, comic book artist posting on /co/ and gamers posting on /v/.

>>5796375

>Thus Spake

Your students would hate you.

>>5797470
students hate their math teachers but its important that they learn math.

>>5797433
There are, this thread is just dumb.
I don't get to choose which books I assign, not in the sense you're assuming anyway.

There's a certain quota I have to meet in my curriculum, and I have to choose from a pool of preselected items to teach to my students.
Do you honestly think English teachers would teach The Scarlet Letter over and over again every year if we were allowed to pick books we actually enjoy? Not a chance.

I've read Scarlet Letter and Great Gatsby nine fucking times now.

Mein kampf and The Anarchist Cookbook

>>5797489
I'm glad I'm not going to be a teacher in America.

I can assign any books I want as long as I can form acceptable rationalisations for teaching them. Feels good man.

Selection of William Blake
Selections from Whitman's Leaves of Grass
Winesburg, Ohio
As I lay Dying
Catcher in the Rye
Selections from Anne Sexton
Selections from John Ashberry
White Noise

>>5796110
>Americunt detected

Hamlet is fucking overrated.

>>5796543
>>5796636

Yeah, Oleanna is playing with fire as a teacher.

>>5797489
>i can't into hawthorne

You have no place teaching English literature, cunt

>>5797513
>Americunt
>setting D.H. Lawrence

Dumdum detected

Pic related

>>5797534
I've read it nine times, where does it say I can't "into" Hawethorne?

>hurr durr he dun like the book he musk not nuderstand le author!!!!!

This is you.

>Their Eyes Were Watching God
>The Awakening
>King Lear
>A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
>Great Expectations
>Orlando

i modeled this after how my AP Lit teacher did it, and used books i actually like

>>5797551
>where does it say I can't "into" Hawethorne?

>Do you honestly think English teachers would teach The Scarlet Letter over and over again every year if we were allowed to pick books we actually enjoy?
The implication being that you don't enjoy it - although given that you're an English teacher who can't even spell the name of an author you teach, I wouldn't be shocked if you simply didn't understand the meaning of the words you were using.

>>5797570
>this kid's defending the dullest, most American piece of writing of all time
seriously, seriously embarrassing

>>5797570
Wow wtf, not all english teachers enjoy the same literature. First time i'm hearing of it

>>5797570
Oh right so it's just baseless assumptions. Of course.

>>5797577
>>5797589
>>5797599
>samefagging this hard
>u r makin da assumshions (direktly from da werds i rote)

>>5797611
>getting so buttflustered that you have to try calling out samefag

Keep enjoying your shitty american literature

>>5797570
>The implication being that you don't enjoy it
>didn't understand the meaning of the words you were using.

Ironically, it's the exact opposite of 'an implication' - it's something he's expressly said. Now, maybe you're gay for Hawthorne or whatever and flip your shit in the mere presence of someone who isn't. Are we supposed to care? Walk me through it, here.

>>5797611

>>5797630
If you don't enjoy reading Hawthorne, you don't have the correct sensibility to be an English teacher because you don't know how to enjoy one of the greatest authors to ever put pen to paper.

Not really much to walk you through, retard

>>5797650
>hot spicy opinions: the post

>>5797650
>if you don't share my opinion, you are not qualified to be a teacher
lel

>>5797660
>art is subjective
>twilight is just as good as middlemarch if i want it to be!

>>5797650
>If you don't enjoy reading Hawthorne

OK. How many consecutive readings must you enjoy in order to meet your criteria? The other guy's been through it nine times. Is he allowed to get bored at some point?

>>5797664
>philistines should be allowed to teach kids and ruin their educations because I'm too much of a coward to make and defend basic cultural commitments

>>5797665
>art is objective
>hawthorne is the greatest author ever because i've said so repeatedly

>>5797650
If you enjoy reading Hawthorne, you don't have the correct sensibility to be a human being because you don't know how to realize a book is so fucking boring.

Not really much to walk you through, retard

>>5797682
>i'll pretend you said things you didn't because it will be easier for me to make you sound silly that way

>>5797692
>one of the greatest authors to ever put pen to paper.
I think you said that man

>>5797676
>make and defend basic cultural commitments

ie, calling people retards on chinese cartoon message boards.

>>5797685
>le book is boring if le vampires do not have warewolf babies

Woman detected

War and Peace.

And I want a complete plot summary-cum-analysis no less than two feet long ready by second week.

Once that's done we'll move to something lighter, like Lolita.

>>5797698
>one of the
>the

>same thing

>>5797711
okay
you still just keep saying it
also it's interesting you'd accuse me of putting words in your mouth when you greentexted "twilight is just as good as middlemarch if i want it to be!" earlier

>>5797711
You certainly put them in the same ballpark.

Neuromancer by William Gibson
Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson

And after that we'll spend the rest of the semester collectively playing Shadowrun on my Sega Genesis. The mid-term exam will be three multiple choice questions and an open-ended essay question in which you will be asked to create the stat-sheet and backstory of a character using the Cyberpunk 2020 pen and paper ruleset.

Any questions? Good. Welcome to the datascape, console cowboys.

>>5797719
>drew out a logical implication of the view you put
>put words in your mouth

>>5796457
I was in IB instead of AP, so rate my list

Junior Year: The Assault, Broken April, Dom Casmurro, The Color of Water, Their Eyes Were Watching God, and As I Lay Dying

Senior Year: The Great Gatsby, assorted poems by Ted Hughes, Hamlet, The Crucible, and I'm blanking on the others.

>>5797733
What are you going to do when a kid raises his hand and points out the the 90s ended 14 years ago?

>>5797735
>logical implication of the view you put

"Art is subjective" is not an implication, logical or otherwise, of the statement: "Hot spicy opinions: the post".

>>5797742

Tell him "Not in my class, son" and give him detention. Like, obviously?

>>5797740
those are pretty easy works for an advanced(?) class. they went easy on you

>>5797753
I never said it was hard.
All we did was write essays and give presentations over all the works. Honestly IB classes are a joke especially if you have teachers who think any 600 word essay you shit out the night before is worthy of a 95 or 98.

Introductory Guide to Microeconomics
Leviathan
La Republique

>>5797735
you were the first person to say "art is subjective" in the thread though so you drew a "logical implication" from your own post

>>5797750
What do you do if someone brings up The Thinking Engine or any steampunk?

>>5797771
>The Thinking Engine

Do you mean The Difference Engine? I've not heard of the other one. In any case: detention.

>>5796916
>And we end with a marathon viewing of the Rambo series
Why? Firstblood is the only good movie, and Rambo 2 is only okay because muh yellow fever.

>>5797784
Yeah the Difference Engine. It's been a while since I read it.
And I like your style.

>>5797742
Jackblast his neuro-nodes to critical capacity using my Kotachi Psi-Tech cybercerebral implants. Duh.

>>5796965
so you're willfully ignorant?

>>5796965
Maybe you shouldn't try to argue about a subject you aren't well-versed in, my man.

In this order

1st. A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man by James Joyce

2nd. Molloy by Samuel Beckett

3rd. Zeno's Conscience by Italo Svevo

4th. Love in the Time of Cholera by Gabriel Garcia Marquez

5th. The Zoo Story by Edward Albee

6th. Godaan by Munshi Premchand

7th. Cane by Jean Toomer

8th. Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes

>>5797416
Bait so bad that its good

>>5796989
We have centralized graduation exams in each federal state here in Germany, the topics are given, therefore the texts to read too. In my Abitur we had Dürrenmatt, Kafka and Kleist for German and a pretty interesting short story collection on British Imperialism called One Language Many Voices.
The collection is the only one I actually read, as I knew I wouldn't be choosing questions about the books in my final German exam but the argumentation (I actually managed to score 13 points of 15 in the assignment about Kleist's Kohlhaas without ever reading it - I just wrote six pages of bullshit).

There has formed a big industry around the given texts. See the ebin maymay I attached? These are Reclam books, shitty little editions of German classics that are printed on toilet paper with a maximum text size of 6. Because teachers want all pupils to have the same editions of the book and no pupil is actually willing to spend money on books they're not even interested in, everyone buys the cheapest option available: Reclam.
They have since expanded and offer also bilingual books, study guides (we all had one for Kafka), ...

I had to read Dracula in my sophomore year and was bored to tears. If I was an English teacher I would assign books that would actually encourage students to read instead of having to make it seem like a chore. But then again, most teenagers (and adults) think of reading as a chore

>>5797317
good lord I would have blown the entire football team to be in that class

>>5796055
Same shit I'm ordered to by the state

In reality, shit from a 7-8th grade reading level because that's what they read at

>>5796234
>AMERICANS

>>5796055
Twilight, and then I laugh and laugh and burn in hell

>>5796339
Hahaha good meme, thanks for taking the time to post, I appreciate it haha

>>5796234
>a bunch of basement-dwellers tell someone with experience they're wrong

>>5796234
Thank you for a breath of sanity

>>5796916
Would have been a funnier meme if it was pro-Bible, but you instead decided to tip your fedora and go full christfag

>>5796457
Mine:

The Bluest Eye
Beowulf
The Things They Carried
Chaucer
The Sound and the Fury

in retrospect it was a pretty great lineup but my teacher was retarded so the class sucked

>>5797496
And totse archives

Turner diaries

>>5796055
Alexandre Kojève (1980) Introduction to the Reading of Hegel: Lectures on Phenomenology of Spirit

Martin Heidegger (1962) Sein und Zeit

Ferdinand de Saussure (2002). Écrits de linguistique générale.

Claude Lévi-Strauss (1964) Le Cru et le Cuit

Sigmund Freud (1995) The Basic Writings of Sigmund Freud (Psychopathology of Everyday Life, the Interpretation of Dreams, and Three Contributions To the Theory of Sex)

Karl Marx/Friedrich Engels (1959) Marx & Engels: Basic Writings on Politics and Philosophy

Bruce Fink (1995) The Lacanian Subject

Jacques Lacan (2006) Écrits: The First Complete Edition in English

The Fountainhead
A Farewell to Arms
Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
Catcher in the Rye
Paradise Lost

>>5797916
Their size is, nevertheless, pretty good, if it is a slim book, tho. They easily fit into your pant's pocket.

On the Phenomenology of Spirit
Paradise Lost
The Brothers Karamazov
As I Lay Dying

That should be an easy first weak for them

>>5797960
>how old are you
>12
>really?
>no

>>5798071
It's an ENGLISH class, Dufus.

>>5796055
Lot 49,

>>5798131
What are you implying?

>>5798150
That you like dicks in your butt

>>5798071
It's an English class, not a literature class.

>>5796120
>Entire class grow up to become alienated NEETs

Mission Accomplished

S rank achieved.

>>5798207

English classes past 9th grade ARE literature classes.

I would tell them that your brain doesn't reach its full potential till late 20s so reading anything right now is pointless.

>>5798239

>>5796989
In Russia its mandatory to read Gulag Archipelago in High School.

>>5798244
Anything complex, or that has layers would be lost on their high school brains. Most college students these days cannot into literature either.

There are exceptions though. Hemingway, Fitzgerald, and Richard Adams all write stories with a grand amount of meaning, and yet use strikingly simplistic prose and vocabulary.

Hemingway especially.

>>5798271
>Hemingway especially
>grand amount of meaning
nah m8

college kids are retarded because high school lit classes suck, high school lit classes suck because middle school English education sucks, middle school English sucks because nobody learns anything in elementary school.

>>5798314
The Old Man In the Sea, what was its message? Its message is complex, despite the deceivingly simplistic vocabulary and prose.

He is very terse and taciturn when describing emotions, of course. But the Old Man and the Sea is a story about coming to terms with one's pride in a society that abhors pride. That and the theme of anthropomorphism reflected in nature, not just animals, but of course body parts and objects created by man.

>>5798333
Old Man and the Sea is an obvious exception, be serious.

For my Freshman class:

>Catcher in the Rye
>Paris in the 21st Century
>Fahrenheit 451
>A Separate Peace

For my Sophomore class:

>1984
>All Quiet on the Western Front
>The Bell Jar
>The Picture of Dorian Gray

For the Junior class:

>The Woman in White
>Wuthering Heights
>The Hunchback of Notre Dame
>Pride and Prejudice

For the Senior class:

>The Autobiography of Malcolm X
>Letters From The Earth by Mark Twain
>The Secret History and/or Rules of Attraction
>Various Romantic poets (Byron, Milton, Blake et al.)

Of course, realistically if I were teaching I'd have to throw in the mandatory annual book about Shakespeare and the mandatory annual book about minority issues or race relations - already got the mandatory dystopias covered in my dream list

If I was teaching AP Lit, I'd assign Infinite Jest as the sole reading of the class and we'd work through it for the entire year and teach everything in the curriculum in the process.

>>5796134
I read Crime and Punishment, Anna Karenina, One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, The Odyssey, The Iliad, A Doll's House, The Stranger, and The Night Country.
There might have been more, but those are the big ones I remember.

For AP Lit, Yukio Mishima's Sea Of Fertility tetralogy.
Can't be assed to do any other HS english class.

I'd have to agree. Fuck the curriculum, I team on what I want.

I get a good anthology for Analytic philosophy, go over an essay every week (giving students ample time to read) and then I fulfill whatever criteria for the class in terms of writing by having them write papers and spending a day or so per week to talk about papers.

>>5798561
>I get a good anthology for Analytic philosophy
>Analytic philosophy
Absolutely disgusting
There's already enough of that hogwash being pushed around in the US

>>5796457
We didn't have "AP" but I guess the equivalent was University level, in my final year we did:

Dante's Inferno
Streetcar Named Desire
Hamlet
Some TS Eliot poems, not the wasteland though
The Stranger
Oedipus Rex
And then we had a choice of "contemporary" lit from a list. I read The Road

>>5798567
I'm sorry, but these kids need real fucking tools, not the philosophical toy that is Continental philosophy.

>>5796055
Birth of tragedy by Fred

BE HEre Now by Baba Ram Dass

Anthem by Ayn Rand

Wisdom of the Overself by Paul Brunton

>>5796348
excuse me for ignoring shit-tier American social theory, the only thing modeled here are dildos

>>5796113
Dalkey archives is about to release on either this year or the next. It's translated by the same guy who redid all of Thomas Mann's work and a few other authors in German as well.
http://www.dalkeyarchive.com/an-interview-with-john-e-woods/

>>5798686

>>5796457
I was in IB.

Junior year:
Hamlet
Pride and Prejudice
As I Lay Dying
Selected works of Raymond Carver
Annie Dillard's Essays
Poems by W.B. Yeats.

Senior year:
The King of Chess (Ah Cheng, I don't know why they made us read this insipid shit)
Poems of Wislawa Szymborska
Crime and Punishment
Twelfth Night
Amadeus
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
School for Scandal

>>5796055
1984
Think and grow rich
Sherlock Holmes (Pre Reichenbach)
Marc Aurel
The book of 5 Rings
Jack London's white Fang

That should enrich (and entice) them more than the garbage they assigned me in highschool, like homo Faber.

Richard III
The Catcher in the Rye
Lord of the Flies

>>5796234
>an English teacher who actually wants to teach English
You are my hero. I say that as an increasingly exasperated social studies teacher.

>>5798616
>not the philosophical toy that is Continental philosophy.
Lmao
Do you honestly take yourself seriously?

>>5798809
We live in the real world, where engineers and scientists establish our society. Every truth that we rely on is because of science.

>>5798828
>Every truth that we rely on is because of science.
I physically cringed at this statement
I can't even comprehend this sort of mentality

>>5796398
Wish you were my teacher

>>5796134
i would want to to answer the op but am wondering if it is breaking some social faux paus

>>5796134
Yeah there's some world lit
Mostly African and other stuff
I remember this thing about yams mostly

>>5798840
Has a philosophical statement ever powered your home.

1st year
>Old Testament
>Deuterocanonical books
>select Talmud passages
2nd year
>New Testament
>select apocrypha and pseudepigrapha
>select writings of early church fathers
>select Summa Theologica passages
3rd year
>Quran
>select Hadith and Sira passages
4th year
>select writings of Luther, Calvin, and White
>The First Book of Napoleon, the Tyrant of the Earth
>The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain
>View of the Hebrews
>The Book of Mormon
>The Pearl of Great Price
>The Finished Mystery
>select "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures" passages

>>5796055


ficciones
harrison bergeron
animal farm
bartleby the scrivener
sartor resartus
aesops fables
the little prince
ecclesiastes
dubliners

>>5799005
What's with this multiculturalism in religious teachings? I can kind of understand pulling out a few select Talmudic passages to emphasize certain canonical themes in Jewish literature; but, even then, it's going to be extremely confusing simply because of Bavli's structure.

>>5797969
i just want to feel like i'm part of something clever

>>5798998
You're looking so completely shortsighted it's kinda funny and sad at the same time.

>>5796055
Old Man of The Sea.

I would just stick with the typical pattern used by most English teachers:

>1st half of the Fall semester: Heavy book about racial issues in the United States
>2nd half of Fall semester: A Shakespeare play, or a Victorian novel, preferably a dark but comfy one because of the overlap with Halloween/early holiday season
>1st half of Spring semester: A commonly referenced dystopian science fiction novel
>2nd half of the Spring semester: Some modern or contemporary novel of choice - maybe divide students into groups and have each group pick one of a few modern/contemporary novels to read

>>5799336
You only read four books a year? Did you go to school in Georgia?

>>5799353

Florida. In the Honors English classes I was required to take in high school back in the mid-late 2000s we usually read about four main novels a year interspersed with a bunch of short stories and excerpts.

>>5796234
let me as a basement dweller who lives life through a computer monitor tell you why you're wrong :^)

>>5796055
Studies in Pessimism, Better Never to Have Been, On the Heights of Despair, The Conspiracy Against the Human Race, The Last Messiah.

>>5799040
God "Classic"
God 2.0 - Do You Remember Love
God Ⅲ - The Reckoning
God revision 4/5.1/360/2600/∞

Standard progression

I throw the books out the window and tell everyone to write 100 words free-form to be handed in tomorrow morning.

>>5796234
>he managed to tolerate the education system
Dropped it after a year. Fuckin worthless kids.

>>5796055
>anarchist cookbook
>bible
>bomb building books/meth cooking
basically raising a generation of christian fascist terrorists

>>5799336
>Heavy book about racial issues in the United States
>a Victorian novel, preferably a dark but comfy
>A commonly referenced dystopian science fiction novel
pic related

Picture of Dorian Gray

>>5796055
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass. And I'd be sure to tell them that it has nothing to do with psychedelics and that Lewis Carroll was a mathematician and philosopher. (Not that I have a problem with psychedelics. I actually enjoy them, it just pisses me off when people don't understand or respect Carroll's brilliance)

The Metamorphosis

The Brothers Karamazov

Mind and Nature by Gregory Bateson

And that would probably cover a high school English course.

I'm not very well-read, especially not with American/English literature. But I'm not going to be teacher-certified for another three and one half years, so I've got time.

I would never assign long works to the class. Maybe just one at the end of the year, Hamlet or Catch-22. If it was an AP class, I would likely assign the only lengthy text during the summer, something that's worth coming back to throughout the year. Hamlet would be great for that, but I'm worried about students not being able/bothering to get through it without class guidance/discussion. I'll probably have them watch the Kenneth Branagh film in tandem.

Anyway, the focus would be mostly on short stories, some short non-fiction articles, a few poems, one or two long texts.

examples provided in the next post. . .

>>5800179
I don't know what year I'd teach any of these, so these just fall into the range of what I would consider 'high school' reading. These aren't in any particular order, either. :

>J.D. Salinger - *The Catcher in the Rye and possibly "A Perfect Day for Bananafish

>various sections of *the KJV Bible (def. Genesis, one of the Gospels, at least some of the parables); T.S. Eliot - *"The Hollow Men"
- we did The Waste Land senior year, and none, literally NONE of the other AP students picked up on the Biblical references. Or they did, and didn't participate in the class discussion. A not-insignificant few stumbled upon the 'For Thine is the Kingdom.' Seriously? I'm not religious, but the Bible is a, if not THE most cited text in Western Literature.

>Shakespeare - *Hamlet
should be obvious. that would be the only Shakespeare work I would put in, the students can read his other works if they really want to. MAYBE I'll put in one of his comedies as well for contrast, having the students examine how comedic/tragic aspects can intertwine in a text, blablabla. but I haven't read any of them yet so I can't speak on it.

>Ernest Hemingway - The Old Man and the Sea
- I might do some activity with this or another text where the text where I have the students convert minimalist prose into more maximalist. or they freewrite on what they picture in their head during certain scenes despite Hemingway's harrowing descriptions

>James Joyce - *"Clay" and possibly "The Sisters"
- I'd use these stories to show how not all narratives have one clear moral to accept. (I didn't describe that too well. If you've read Clay, you probably know what I'm talking about: All the characters are sympathetic, yet at the same time all are (in the negative sense) pathetic.

>Orwell's *"Politics and the English Language" vs. DFW's *"Authority and American Usage" , then: *[a typical NYT article or something that students can deconstruct the language of]
- these essays would be used to introduce a unit on language. the latter text would be a struggle for the students, but it would be worthwhile. We only read the former at my high school, and I found it pretty asinine compared to DFW's. PatEL has a narrow scope (prescriptions for POLITICAL writing), yet teachers will try to stretch it to all types of writing. no need.

>DFW's "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again"
- I'm not sure if I'd do this one specifically, but I want to put in one of his more 'fun' essays to counteract AaAU. I'd love to do Big Red Son, but there's no way in hell that's getting through. I'll probably have to find another non-fiction article, by a different author, to go with. I'd like to do a Hunter S. Thompson article if I could sneak one in somehow

>>5800182

A FEW NON-ENGLISH TEXTS

>Voltaire's *Candide
- it's a lovely, funny, easy to read text that can be used to expound upon various philosophies. I'd love to have a whole class discussion on the 'We should tend our garden" line.

>Dostoevsky's *Notes from Underground
- mine it for the philosophy, but also emphasize how historical context is necessary to understand a very reactionary and nuanced text like this

>Kafka's *The Metamorphosis
- for obvious reasons. I hope.

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this is pretty awful, looking back at it. I just need to read more, I barely have time with college work. I still haven't finished The Brothers Karamazov which I started in the summer, and if I can even finish that I'm planning to tackle Infinite Jest over winter break, but it's not like I'm going to ever teach those texts in class. I feel I'm going to be teaching before I know it and I'll still be so clueless when it comes to literature that I'll have no choice but to fall back on the high school curriculum of dystopian novels and really overt 'novels of ideas' like The Stranger or The Great Gatsby and honestly I'd just rather not

As an actual high school English teacher, let me tell you all this: none of the kids care. None of them. Not even the smart ones. And the dumb ones DEFINITELY don't care.

As a teacher, you are essentially a drug dealer. They show up every day, withdrawal running high, screaming "Gimme dat grade, gimme dat sweet, sweet grade," and then they basically do whatever you ask to get that grade.

To actually put any thought into the works you assign, to actually consider what they might enjoy and not enjoy, is to lie to yourself, to tell yourself that that cokehead is really sucking your dick just because he likes you.

So what texts do we actually use? Whatever's handy. Right now it's Their Eyes Were Watching God. It doesn't make fuckall difference anyways. No one cares, except maybe you, but that just means you're a fucking idiot, too.

>>5800182
>>5800215
troll posts i hope

>>5800215
so do you like being a teacher?

THE GREEKS

>>5800215
>Their Eyes Were Watching God

You are a horrible human being. Public school is worse than being molested.

>>5800215
>and then they basically do whatever you ask to get that grade

How many blowjobs do you get?

>>5800520
Meh, some chick I was trying to bang said it was good.

>>5800530
None. My kids are all poor and disgusting.
I'm waiting until I get to a fancy rich girl school before I cash that check.

>>5796055
Salinger, Vonnegut, Dostoevsky and Hesse. The Tao Te Ching would be optional reading. I would try to make my students into pure hearted zen Christian existential humanists with a healthy love of social satire and dark humor.

>>5800557
>he thinks they would actually do optional reading

Oh god that's rich.
You realize they're not even going to do the mandatory reading, right?

>>5797792
>>5798031

Heart of Darkness
Macbeth or King Lear
Leaves of Grass
Selections from the Bible
Plato's Apology
Beowulf (possibly)
Pride and Prejudice
Frankenstein
Self-Reliance
The Great Gatsby
The Awakening
Death of a Salesman
Candide
Gulliver's Travels or a Modest Proposal
1984
The Stranger
Brave New World
If I really wanted to challenge them: Moby-Dick

>>5800566
Let's say I teach for twenty years. If I have even one student who reads one of the books I assign and gets something out of it, then I didn't teach in vain. I would of course enjoy the act of teaching but it would only be worth while if I eventually had a student who enjoyed it too. And yeah, I think that many many students would read and enjoy those texts.

>>5800602
You naive bastard. Never change.
And never become a teacher. You don't know misery until you've had a group of students actually ruin for you a work you once loved.

>>5796127
Typical, considering that teachers do a lot more indoctrinating than teaching nowadays

>>5800573
Literally reddit the post

>shakespeare
>mooby dick

Gilgamesh
A few stories of Metamorphoses
Segment of Inferno
Shakespearea sonnets
John Locke
The Stranger

>>5796136
>metamorphosis
>english

We read Twain, Fitzgerald, xxxx, and Sun Tzu. I'm not sure who No. 3 is, would appreciate help in the form of a suggestion that fits my theme.
(gaining transparency in value)

>>5796160
damn

>>5796111
Actually a good choice. No school would allow it though

>>5796161
they all already are standard in high schools

>>5797570
the scarlet letter is not a book that children or hormonal teenagers are going to like or understand.

didn't Melville write some essay where he said something like, "We should praise Hawthorne because we don't have any literature at this point so we need to get the ball rolling"

>>5800215
If it doesn't make any difference, why not teach books that you are actually interested in? Of course you're going to hate your job if you just teach the same standard books all the time.

>>5797270
"How could anyone be against forcing teachers to assign Shakespeare instead of stupid bullshit?"
You can only fit so much into one school year.
go somewhere else and return when you've learned to read.

>>5801300
He wasn't suggesting assigning Shakespeare's complete works. He simply thinks (rightly) that some works of Shakespeare should be taught to every student as an absolute priority, over and above teaching works of le token black female transwoman etc.

I'd go further and have a very strict list of who must be taught at a bare minimum (Shakespeare, Milton, Coleridge, Dickens, Lawrence), and then a very selective list of who might also be taught alongside these (eg Hawthorne, Melville, Thackeray, Trollope, Swift, Eliot, the Brontes, Austin, James, Conrad, Hemingway, Steinbeck) which excludes le token black transwoman and other worthless SJW shit preferred by low-IQ female teachers.

>>5796457
I had AP lit in junior year. I think she picked good stuff:

Frankenstein
Heart of darkness
huck finn
slaughterhouse five
witt

West coast english teacher here. How's my list? Grade is gifted 12th.
>The Fountainhead
>Leaves of Grass
>Franny and Zooey
>The divine comedy
>Tamerlane and Other Poems

>>5800658
>literally some of the greatest literature ever written

Ayyyy lmao not hipster enough for you?

>>5801652
God you are a faggot.

>>5801652

Needs some Roman satire.

>>5801652
>The divine comedy
>Tamerlane and Other Poems

<3

>>5801701
faggots hate the divine comedy, they even wanted to ban its teaching in italian schools

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/9140869/Dantes-Divine-Comedy-offensive-and-should-be-banned.html

>>5801716
>Roman satire
Can you recommend anything specific?

>>5796471
i don't care. i don't want any of them to pass, i just want them to have the Pig Song stuck in their heads forever. because...

Though you may be thrown over
By Tabby or Rover
You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig
You'll never go wrong with a pig!

>>5801652
>The Fountainhead

el oh el

I'd have the freshmen read the autobiography of Bienvenuto Cellini. The sophomores would read Gulliver's Travels. Juniors read Homer. Seniors read various bits of Chaucer, Shakespeare, and philosophy.

>>5801291
Mostly because
1) I don't want the kids to ruin them for me
2) We only have so many class sets available to pick from

When we do stuff like short stories or poems then yeah, I'll generally do stuff I like because I can just print them off since they're short, but with longer works, it's not very practical

>>5801300
As long as I can avoid it, I'll never teach Shakespeare at the high school level
There's just no point. So few of them read at a high enough level to understand it. It's just a giant waste of time. Maybe in an AP class, but not in general English, no.

Why is CATCHER IN THE RYE so lauded? Protagonist is mentally ill misfit who witnesses classmate's suicide after bullying. Implied rich parents, he's been thrown out of several private school. Depressing book -- fuck Salinger . Pls help me understand why CITR is considered god-tier for 15-18 yr olds?

>>5801733
Best part of Inferno? Virgil meeting Mohammed in Hell: he is eviscerated like a fish w/his guts hanging out to be restored(?). He was called the Divider (Man from the true faith of Catholicism, presumably).

>The Scarlet Letter
>Heart of Darkness
>Frankenstein
>Flowers for Algernon
>All Quiet on the Western Front (Or Slaughterhouse 5)
>It
>The Catcher in the Rye
>Arse Full of Farts for a half day or something
>Old Man and the Sea
>The Odyssey
A lot of books for a high school class, but whatever, kids today need to read more