/lit/ - Literature

what do you mean by bad
they're all un or under employed, but I've met far far far more assholes in the STEM field than in English

Who cares, your Bachelor's degree hardly mattress.

>>5762081
>hardly mattress

yea

>Are english majors really that bad or is it just propaganda from STEMfags?
Neither, it's a cartoon.

English majors don't spend any more time learning grammar conventions than other non-STEM degrees. They mostly read and analyze literature while learning basic critical theory.

The closest thing to a degree focused on grammar would be Editorial Journalism, but that's not as funny or relatable as the English major punchline.

>tfw in grad school for math and a math professor was the one to teach me when to say less and when to say fewer

>>5762114
>yfw "less" actually is correct for both, and "fewer" is just more specific
More importantly,
>yfw prescriptivism a shit

They're generally fine they just made a terrible life decision.

I've met more pedantic grammar Nazi STEM fags than I've met pedantic grammar Nazi English majors. The same applies to all the modern art arguments.

For some reason, STEM majors love ranting about what is and isn't proper language and what is and isn't proper art.

>>5762067
Best ones double/triple/quadruple major in math

The rest are just failures

any degree that does not specifically involve has about the same employ-ability which is at the moment really bad.

>>5762146
>that does not specifically involve has about
Please rephrase.

>>5762124
Because STEMs work in truths and falsities, humanities work in greyscale.

>>5762146
Your post does not specifically involve

>>5762155
And this is why STEMfags think the way English is spoken right now is absolutely correct even though it came from people "misusing" English in the past?

>>5762171
Linguistics is a STEM field.

>>5762173
STEM is now accepting the social sciences?

>>5762173
no its not

>>5762173
False.

>>5762173
le grammars face

>>5762077

The biggest assholes are usually the economics majors, since they will parrot whatever Milton Friedman-inspired Republican propaganda their professors are pushing and tell you how stupid you are if you disagree.

> Linguistics is the scientific study of language.

How is it not?

>>/lit/thread/S5716766#p5717055

Guy from an old thread.

>>5762189
its science but not stem

>>5762198
>teaching English abroad
so losers have loser friends? what a surprise

>>5762202
>

>>5762206
>implying someone travelling doing what they love is a loser
>the autist on 4chan says this

>>5762189
STEMfags hate social sciences because they think they're not "real science."

I think the social sciences are just younger and thus less developed. Think of biology back when Darwin was going on his voyage. There was some silly shit going around, but the search for knowledge was real. Dismissing it as "not science" would be ignorant.

>>5762202
> STEM
> doesn't include science

What does the 'S' stand for then?

>>5762189
the science in stem is natural and information science

>>5762206
James Joyce taught English abroad. What is your point?

>>5762213
science

>>5762088
depends on personal preference, I find a harder mattress more comfortable

>>5762206

Why are you calling people who teach English abroad losers? It can be a rewarding career and can pay well depending upon location, in addition to allowing you to understand how people live elsewhere.

>>5762214
linguistics is information science

>>5762214
Linguistics studies natural phenomena and concerns information.

>>5762212
Don't get me wrong. I'm a 'hard' scientist (research chemist for 15-odd years), but study linguistics on the side.

Linguistics has as much rigour as chemistry, and follows much the same method for inquiry.

I can't see how it isn't a science.

How and where Grimm's Law was applied is predictable as a comparable biological law.

>>5762225
>>5762227
>this is how autistic STEM-lords are

>>5762230
If you rebutted with actual content, you would move your argument onward.

>>5762227
It is a science. There are just lots of engineering students and such who don't think it is. Same with psychology, anthropology, etc.

>>5762213
scientia means knowledge
that doesn't mean any kind of knowledge is science
when we say science now a day we mean natural and >computer science

>>5762232
Forget him, he thinks accuracy is a flaw. I don't study STEM, but the people who tear down those who study it because of some sort of perceived slight about what they study are worthless.

>>5762239
Ok, so how is linguistics *not* a natural science?

>>5762230

STEMlords rule over STEM and space, buddy

>>5762067
It's fine if you want to teach. Everyone in my major is pretty cool. I thought there would be a lot of lit snobs but no one is like that.

>>5762232
I have to apologize to both posters. What I wanted to say was IT.
But language is a social thing, and we have had this retarded idea and splitting the world in natural and human for ages. Generally most would consider linguistics a social science.

>>5762256

You have made a poor economic decision by choosing a field with a limited market. This is a common mistake made by liberals, since liberals do not have an understanding of economics. That is why the liberal arts skew left wing. If you had a basic grasp on economics, you would understand that the job market is such that it is prudent only to major in STEM or Accounting/Finance.

>>5762256
from my experience they're all in philosophy and economics (honorable mention political science)

>>5762243
How is philosophy not a natural science, when the ability to think is a biological function?
I admit natural as a category is retarded, but it's how we categorize things. Linguistics is not considered "hard" science, but social.

>>5762266
>Muh liberals

Must you inject your persecution complex into every subject you broach?

>>5762282
It's copypasta.

>>5762188

i thought econ depts tried to brainwash students to become karl marx jr.

The way other animals interact with each other is considered a subject of biology and natural, but what humans do is not; who came up with the retarded distinction between natural and unnatural?

>I'm a human, I'm so special, I have free will, I'm not just part of nature

>>5762295
Are you kidding? From what I can see, economics is right-wing dominated, politically.

This is an unfortunate truth.

>>5762298
Because we're directly changed by our own observation of ourselves, it has a lot of concerns we don't have to worry about in studying animal behavior more generally.

Humans also have the ability to communicate and use symbols, which complicates things greatly. Plus cultivating the land, etc.

Basically you could call anthropology a sub-field of biology, but it wouldn't really change much in that the average biologist wouldn't know much more about anthropology, and the average anthropologist would only study biology in general insofar as it's relevant to the study of humans.

>>5762306
>Plus cultivating the land, etc.
squirels bury nuts

>>5762266
You sound like an android incapable of human emotions. Maybe someone could become an English major because they have a legitimate passion for it, knowing that it is far from economically relevant? I'm an english major; I am in some debt and I am far from rich, but I am happy. I will never go on a cruise vacation, but I get to spend the bulk of my time in enjoyment. Is that not important?

But of course not, says the STEM major. I must have a fancy car, and a spoiled wife, and three babies, and a nice fence, a large suburban home and vacations and science fiction movie tickets and televisions and movies and video games.

If those things make you happy, than pursue them. Nothing is wrong with that; but I have recognized that they make me personally miserable and I would be much happier living a minimalist lifestyle whilst pursuing knowledge of the humanities.

>>5762295
Economics departments usually teach Marx as part of a 'History of Economics' module. They see him as a debunked philosopher.

>>5762154
I think what he said is if your degree isn't specifically tailored for a job, (X Engi, Optometrist, etc.), then you're chances of employment are pretty bad nowadays no matter what it is.

>tfw /lit/ has been filled with newfags who fall for al lthe copypasta and STEM bait

sigh, it's time to leave I guess

>>5762306
Of course, my point is just there should be no distinction between natural and unnatural. For all the complexity we exhibit in our social behavior, it's still just functions of an organism. We shouldn't view ourselves as separate from nature, like most do.

>>5762314
Well, if squirrels start orchestrating in large numbers to bury nuts, keeping track of who's allowed to bury nuts on what land, and forming governments which demand a certain cut of the nuts, I'll agree that it's exactly the same.

>>5762067

I feel like the sweet spot is the English major with some understanding of linguistics and/or some foreign language. Book people with descriptive rather than prescriptive sensibilities are good people.

>>5762325
I largely agree. I'm not in favor of STEM people treating the social sciences like "not real science" or anything.

>>5762233
>engineering students
lmao
every other STEM-major hates them and looks down on them

>>5762338
yeah too bad the other every other part of STEM is them

>>5762295

I don't know about America, but I studied Economics in the UK.

It's not really either, you get taught models which are based off different economic ideas, but you criticize the theories at the same time and you're expected to understand the limitations of the models. They do tend to deal with a situation in which businesses are competing, which I suppose creates an inherent right wing bias, but at the end of the day they're designed to study something in the real world and there aren't really many economic systems nowadays that aren't market based.

There's also behavioral economics, which attempts to study how people behave in large populations rather than solely markets.

>>5762320
This is true though, Marx's theories aren't normally taught in the same context as current day market models.

>>5762256
>I thought there would be a lot of lit snobs but no one is like that.
Are you bullshittting me?
No wonder why the canon is losing its place, fucking plebs taking over academia.

>>5762266
I'm far from a fucking liberal. Who else is going to fight the leftist narrative in education? A few good right wingers like myself, thank you very much.

>>5762338
because unlike the rest of STEM engineering majors have a career path beyond "high school science teacher"

>>5762349
>being this brainwashed by cultural hegemony

>>5762287
No it's not, I googled it and came up with nothing.

>>5762345
The S camp is both the most elitist and the least likely to find a job (especially in bio/chem) so don't give their opinions too much credit

>>5762354
>using surface web search engines
top pleb

>>5762320
>They see him as a debunked philosopher.
Nothing wrong with that in terms of pragmatism (which is what Econ majors are for), some of his shit is mathematically impossible.

>>5762351
No, it's because they know nothing past a few basic concepts in comparison to specialized degrees; an engi degree is pragmatism incarnate, whereas most STEM are in it for the pursuit of knowledge.

>>5762357
It would have shown up in the archives, like most copypasta, retard.
I'm an expert memer, I know my memes.

>>5762351
it's a shitty and boring job though.

>>5762351
Most engineering majors don't actually understand any of what they do, and are just in it for muh job, which is usually a measly 30-50k/year anyway. Meanwhile a physics PhD = 300k starting any job you want, plus you don't come out of the program a mindless drone who has trouble with multivariable calculus.

>>5762392
>300k starting

lmfoa

>>5762392
Don't forget about the 100K starting math majors!

>>5762324
See you tomorrow

Honestly, I have never met an English major who gave a shit. Rigorous adherence to grammar and spelling is the kind of thing you'd expect from a math major. English majors appreciate the experimental and fluid nature of language. Math majors are more likely to approach it as a rigid logical system with correct and incorrect syntax.

That's my experience, anyways. My biggest grammar nazis were in STEM fields, not the humanities.

>>5762266
Well your knowledge of economics is pretty terrible or you would know that it's possible to make a pretty good middle class wage with any sort of degree.

Not everyone's goal is making as much money as they want, some people's goal is to make enough money to live comfortably and have time to dedicate to what they love.

To get a lib arts major would be a bad economic decision only if one goes heavily into debt for it. But no debt moderate debt? Go for it. You can easily make $45k a year once you are out of college.

The reason why the lib. arts get such a bad reputation is not because they are useless or unemployable but because being a critical thinker makes you a terrible consumer and not as easily susceptible of being manipulated.

If you had studied the humanities you would know that instead of reducing all human life to economics.

>>5762437
because critical thinking isn't what makes STEM work, right?

>>5762407
That's because if you study english you understand that it actually is a very flexible language, a commonwealth language, with no central organ (like in Italian or French) to codify the language.

Most of the things STEM think are wrong are just what they have overheard from people that read Strunk & White and mistook it for the bible.

>>5762446
No it's not. Actually most science works through the rigorous application and repetition of models and methods.

Critical thinking enters in the equation for very few a very high levels. Like most of human institutions to work they base themselves on few people doing the brain work and plenty of grunts taking care of the minutia at the lower levels.

If you don't believe me try to explain and engineer the problem with induction or hume's criticism of the concept of causation.

Or ask them what are the foundations of their enterprise or what is the historical development of their discipline and you'll see that very few have a clue or even knew that such questions could be asked.

>>5762446
No, it works by inducting and abducting.

>>5762437

>critical thinker makes you a terrible consumer and not as easily susceptible of being manipulated.
>I paid years of university to make me less manipulable

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>5762540
Actually I didn't pay that much, I went to europe and got my BA in three years for 1000 euros a year. Now I'm back in the US with a good job and no debt, having studied what I loved.

>>5762579

>recurring to his personal experience to save all liberal arts students around the world.

>>5762315
>If those things make you happy, than pursue them
>than
lol, and this is your specialty?

>>5762437
>Claims to be an anti-consumerist critical thinker who cannot be manipulated
>Thinks you need to pay a quarter of a million dollars to go to a university so your professors can tell you how you're supposed to think critically

>>5762927
At least I'm not the one confusing the experience of a part of americans for "the world".

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF

YOU ARE DOING AN UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE

UNLESS YOU ARE STUDYING SOMETHING SPECIFIC FOR A SPECIFIC JOB (ENGINEERING, MEDICINE ETC) IT DOES NOT. FUCKING. MATTER. WHAT DEGREE YOU DO

ALL THAT MATTERS IS HAVE THAT DEGREE, SHOWING THAT YOU HAVE SPENT 3/4 YEARS AT UNIVERSITY

MOST JOBS IN ARTS FIELD DO NOT TRAIN YOU TO BECOME WHATEVER IT IS,

FOR EXAMPLE, A JOURNALIST: YOUR UNIVERSITY STUDIES WILL NOT TEACH YOU *HOW* TO BE A JOURNALIST, THEY WILL TEACH YOU THEORY AND WRITING SKILLS

YOUR ACTUAL JOB *AS* A JOURNALIST WILL TEACH YOU *HOW* TO BE A JOURNALIST

IF I HAVE TO SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME...

>>5762173
>Linguistics is a STEM field.
This. STEM major here, and forced to study X-bar and other linguistic models and algorithms.

>>5762579
So... why don't all Americans do that? Why do people actually take 5 to 6 figure debt instead of just doing a degree in Europe for a fraction of the price?

>>5763207
Well you certainly can't read.

1) I didn't say that you go there to learn critical thinking. I say that it is a byproduct of studying humanities. Why anyone decides to study them it's their business. I went into them just because I thought they were interesting.

2) I specify that they are worth it if you find a way to spend moderately or if you can afford it (by being incredibly rich). Not everyone spends a quarter of a million, some have scholarships, some go to state colleges and such. I, again, spent only $3000 for my BA.

So I think that you too would have had some benefits from taking more humanities classes thus possibly improving your reading comprehension skills.

>>5763231
180

>>5763236
I have no fucking idea. The fun part is that you can go to most european universities without even applying. No sat, no entrance exam. In august you fill a form online and in september you go to the matriculation office with your diploma, you pay the first tax and you are in, you can start taking exams.

>>5762579
>>5763236
>>5763267
european degrees are shit, bro. that's why everyone wants to come to america for higher education. it's a scam wherever you go but in america there's more prestige attached to your degree than in europe

>>5763267
I know. I am German and I pay 350€ per semester and that includes transportation for the entire federal state. I am doing my masters in sociology and I think it is a great field of study, but I probably wouldn't do it if it would leave me with 20k+ debt.

>>5763289
If you get to go to an Ivy League sure. If you are doing a BA or even better BS you might get a better education than you would in the US. You could easily go to the University of Bologna or the Sorbonne for example, which are better than going to Penn State.

Certainly you want to continue your phd in the US where actually you can network and participate in high profile interships. But by that time you are getting paid to study and not paying any more.

If you want just a degree and then start working a european degree is perfectly fine and you can invest the money you save to support yourself for an year or two while you work in some unpaid internship. Seriously I work now with people who got their degrees from columbia, harvard and princeton, and it didn't make any difference to my employer.

Also people want to come and study in the US not so much because they are so much better but because they are gateways for obtaining a working visa.

>>5763320
whats your job??

>>5763325
I'm a consultant in corporate governance.

>>5763234
HE

>>5763334
i fell asleep in the middle of that sentence

>>5762348
In the past, it depended from school to school, wherein the "freshwater" schools like Chicago, George Mason, Carnegie Mellon, and Rochester would advocate for small government type of situations whereas the saltwater schools like Princeton, MIT, and Berkeley would advocate for more regulated approaches to macroeconomics, but recently it's been converging into the freshwater school in the US.
Also, I hate econ majors, followed by political science and then computer science majors. The least insufferable are English majors and math majors.

>>5763342
I know it's not an exciting job, but I like it.

>>5763355
absolute worst are pre-meds. political science people are much more tolerable than compsci or econ.

>>5762327
>cut of the nuts
I'm tired

>>5762155
>STEMs are black, humanities are white

So much for that greyscale.

Arts. You have English - you end up reading stuff you've already read, that led to your interest in the field, or stuff you purposely avoided while managing to foster an interest deeper than that of your peers and professor. Writing studies / Journalism, don't even get started on the isolation you're going to feel when you realize just how devoid of talent everybody around you every day is. You will be expected to read Lucy's vampire romance and analyse it like you would Shakespeare if you were sad enough to have taken English instead. History is great - if you got in to university for free and it is an interest that you are willing to sacrifice to stave off suicide for four years. Classics is mostly the same. You just want to read Homer and Virgil, but you have to study the battle movements of Alexander and get groped by a hairy Italian man when you end up forking out more money for your class visit to Rome. Philosophy is the 'classic' waste-of-time degree, but if you are attending university you are wasting your time anyway.

There's a bunch of stupid 'money earning' stuff like Accounting, Business, Finance, whatever. Degrees for the fools that decided they wanted to torture themselves for four years in the pursuit of cash, but weren't bright enough to go for a hard science. You could do prelaw, but if you can even consider that you probably don't need to worry about earning money anyway. Economics is another one of these pitfalls. Nobody is going to give a shit about you because you are another foot-soldier in a sudden militia of graduating young whites who read up on the internet that they could make big money in money.

Whacky shit like psychology probably makes sense until you realize that every possible job you could get is actually reserved for med students who have been prescribing themselves Ambien for a decade. There are a bunch of straggling degrees like Anthropology but anybody taking these was probably inebriated and ticked the wrong boxes when filling out their application

>>5763578
Your other 'choice' is STEM. First we have the 'soft' sciences like Biology, in which case unless you want to examine soil and trees every day you are out of luck when you finish your fifty-thousand dollar NatGeo documentary. The number of people genuinely interested in (read: University level) Maths and Physics is so small we can rule this out as a no-go area for anybody with a soul.

The big favorite of the modern youth has to be Technology. Computer science. We need to build more computers. We need people to code more computers, we need to code software. We need you to come work for us at Intel(TM) and code computers. We need fifty thousand computer science graduates a year in the US alone. We need computer science graduates to come serve soup in the soup kitchen to computer science graduates. You can create a visual basic program to keep a record of all the computer science graduates who starved in the cold because they had no computer job.

Finally we have another big one, Engineering. Half of the options you the hardest two foundation years in existence so you can take the same upper year shit Philosophy students do, and if you take the other half you can't apply for a job because there aren't any. No engineering student knows which is which, because they are too busy with theories so removed from reality that My Little Pony, a cartoon for little girls about talking fucking horses, is their only anchor to the real world.

And if there's any field I forgot, your potential employer will forget it too when they toss your resume in the trashcan with prowess that would make Penn Jillette shed a secular tear.

So basically it's just one big garbage free for all, really. Just like the job market.

>>5763341
HAS NO SKILLS
HE HAS NO PLACE
TH-THIS ENGLISH MAJOR IS A FUCKING DISGRACE

>>5763581
>Half of the options you the hardest two foundation years in existence so you can take the same upper year shit Philosophy students do
what?

>>5762067
it's not propaganda from STEMfags at all, it's propaganda from capitalists who want to maintain the ideology that if you're not benefiting the economy, then fuck you.

>>5763618
This is the unequivocally correct answer.

STEMfags are useful autists, they keep this shit working from a technical point of view
OTOH, humanities fags are useful to control said autists and the general population, so they keep shit working from a social point of view
in the end, all of us serve as tools to someone else

>>5762206
so people how teach english abroad are usually slackers who are winging their shit .....whats the big deal ? the fuck are you doing on this site if you look down on others so aggressively just because they didn't make thousands of dollars off of playing with bitcoin like you did

>>5763632
but who is that supreme other deity?

>>5763652
those who are smart enough to use other people for their purposes, i.e., mostly sociopaths :^)

>>5763652
the kikes

>>5763618
Yo, heads up: you're not entitled to have the public finance your hobbies. If you have enough extra money to finance a life wasted on reading books, then by all means go for it; however, don't expect the rest of us to believe your delusion that you're contributing to society by doing so.

>>5763666
rly intelligent comment plz post more plz

>>5763578
>>5763581

This seems pretty reductionist and not reflective of reality at all. Especially the part about CS. Every person I've known that pursued CS wasn't even done with college before they were being offered jobs. Good ones too. Too cynical, try again.

I think STEM people want to protect their titles since they feel they work harder for them, but other studies are not less scientific because they are less understood and deal with things that differ from concretely and absolutely predictable elements.

People build their own cages, I don't know how many times I'm told that certain degrees shouldn't succeed or that there are no jobs and yet I still continue to see people prevail. There are elements of luck and opportunity but you also have to be willing to put in work and effort to open doors for yourself. A degree sitting on a wall isn't just gonna get up and pack your lunch and find you a job. Anyway, as far as English majors being grammar nazis, I've seen it somewhat and for some reason they also tend to be more anal in general but if you spend time studying something you're gonna notice when people commit mistakes against your field of interest. That being said, while my observation may be anecdotal in nature, certain elements of a profession in English may attract a particular personality type.

The degree isn't the issue. It's the kind of people that take English degree. Most degrees are pretty impractical so it's all about how you choose to get into a career. With an English degree you should have the skills to get into advertising, education, publishing, librarian, research or the arts in general. Not to mention all the usual avenues open to educated people like law.

Problem is that English majors are usually lazy fucking moron and women.

>>5763618
correct
>>5763666
>teaching, journalism, and writing do not contribute to society

You're as stupid as you are sanctimonious.

I'm PhD student of my own native language in a secondary European country.

At least you can't get worse than me.

>>5763666

I always like the idea that mowing lawns for millionaires or giving people tattoos is "contributing to society". We live in a capitalist society. If you can make money doing what you are doing that means you are providing a product or service people are willing to pay for. When you start talking about what actually "contributes to society" then you realise that most jobs are fucking useless and several are outright damaging society.

>>5763789
znam to ucucie, bratje.

/lit/ brahs help me out
Entering uni next year not sure whether I want to do Theology/Int Relations or Mycology or Linguistics

>>5763841
Let's be underemployed together.

>>5763849
>mycology
bro you can grow magic mushrooms without the degree

definitely eat the linguine

This was way back around 2003-2004, so maybe it's different now, but I had two separate English majors as college roommates. One my junior year was insufferable and would correct your grammar and interpret movies and tell you about it while they were still playing. His interpretation was of course the only correct one. He hated the dialect I brought up north from Arkansas with a passion and insisted that the plural of "octopus" is "octopodes" or some shit like that. The other my sophomore year was pretty cool, he'd wait until after the movie was over and ask if you were down to discuss, and he was hella interested in recording variations in linguistics in his notebooks and ended up writing his final paper on something like that. He was very interested in how two years in New Hampshire had changed my original speech and had some cool theories about the Blair Witch Project. They're hit or miss, I guess, like most groups of people are.

>>5763850
it's inevitable.

>>5762221
it takes a crane to get it out

>>5763849

I did an International Affairs degree with a concentration in Religious Studies

Feel free to ask about the field. I can recommend you some advance reading too.

>>5763998
How was it? Useful, fulfilling, opened up guaranteed jobs? I'm primarily interested in Theology and International relations is just what I want to be able to get a nice job where I can travel, what do you reckon?

>>5764005

A lot of people get into International Relations/Affairs/Studies because they want very competitive jobs with their country's government that, frankly, most people aren't eligible for and don't get.
However, if you're interested in doing something in public policy with an NGO or government, there are plenty of opportunities to apply your knowledge and conduct fulfilling research. Another option is journalism. Studying International Affairs/Relations/Studies is a roundabout way to get into the journalistic profession but you'll certainly have more background knowledge than Journalism majors.
As for the field itself, it's interdisciplinary and lets you take whatever classes in most programs, but the few core classes are very big on theory and involve spending hours debating and analyzing authors like Samuel Huntington and Francis Fukuyama.
That said, it's kind of a broad field so you'll have to tailor your focus somewhat (to some thematic field like human rights, national security, etc., or issues in a particular foreign country), and take a foreign language that suits that focus.
Anyway, to answer your question, I found it fulfilling, and useful as an eye-opening intellectual exercise. I'm in graduate school right now while I try to test whether my degree can open up jobs.

>>5763297
>sociology

>muh qualitative data
>muh myriad of obscure concepts
>b-b-but statistics implies science-y stuff
>I have been indoctrinated in thinking I am doing science

>>5764100
Your point being?

>>5763231
this.

>>5764050
what the fuck school do you go to where the first references you come out with are fukuyama and huntington?

>>5763652
Mostly Jews and their ilks. So business majors and lawyers. Just look at execs and politicians.
This is only true for America though. In Germany/Japan/China the guys at the helm are STEMs, in France they are doctors and liberal arts.

>>5763267
Can you do this for graduate schools? I'm leaving with a small (but not nonexistent) amount of debt after my bachelor's, but if I can go in England or Ireland (or basically any English-speaking European country) for way less, that would be awesome.

>>5763231
That's nice and all but I'm going to grad school and having a background in the subject will help.

>Be at party with friends
>all but one of us are humanities students
>interesting conversations about politics, literature, etc. always get ijterupted by the STEMFAG, who always makes us dumb down the conversation before it gets too close to reality
>he always talks about chemical formulas, makes jokes about them that no one laughs at because we aren't chemistry majors
>he makes sexist jokes about how bad sexism is, racist jokes about how bad racism is, etc. That is, he's offensive and discriminatory while mocking others for having those same qualities
>always gets blackout drunk
>likes to complain that journalism and literature don't have a rigorous peer review process, unlike science
>last night, he called Brave New World the saddest book he'd ever read
>he's had the same bowl haircut since he was 13 and refuses to try a different style even though he knows he looks like a tool and everyone tells him it's a stupid, autist-tier haircut on a regular basis
>TFW a pleb brings a group of patricians down to his level
STEMfags can't judge humanitiesfags.

>>5764197

Those were the readings that mostly stuck with me out of what I had read in class because of their distinct arguments, and since we got to spend hours picking both of their arguments apart in undergrad. I ended up picking up further reading by those authors to see what else they had to say. That said, no one was blindly or uncritically pushing either of them.

>>5763736
Yep. A lot of the people who major in English are just idiots who got As in their high school classes and enjoy reading/writing a little bit, so they decide that an English major is going to be an easy way to get themselves a steady job, but start complaining once they realize that all of the jobs for English majors aren't up their alley.

>>5764005

>I want to be able to get a nice job where I can travel, what do you reckon?

First ask yourself: "1. Am I genuinely interested in other countries, either the way they are governed, the way they relate to other countries, or the way people live in those countries? 2. Am I intellectually curious about seeing how people interpret relations between countries, including being put in a position of reevaluating how my own interacts with others?"

Also understand that it probably won't lead to some hot shot jet set career.

I've always been interested in stuff involving languages. How do translators typically fare nowadays? Professional business translation seems pretty cool.

>>5764572

Depends on what language. You probably won't become a decent translator of, say, Chinese or Japanese after a meager 3-4 years of study (which is the maximum amount most universities offer).

>>5764576
I mean as far as jobs go, though you are right in the fact that being a decent translator means you need to master it beyond fluency to actually work.

>>5764572

Government agencies and IGOs such as the UN and IFIs such as the World Bank, IMF etc. are always in need of translators. You have a leg up if you're a heritage speaker of a language other than English. If not, it will take a while for you to learn another language and there are varying levels of difficulty between different languages. French and Spanish are usually easier for native English speakers to learn than East Asian or Near Eastern languages, but the downside is that for a lot of positions there are enough heritage or native applicants in that language that people who speak them as a second language are at a disadvantage.

>>5764526
I wholeheartedly agree with this.

>>5764526
>politics
top pleb

>>5762067
>propaganda from STEMfags?
Wait, huh? Maybe where I am is an anomaly, but the going stereotype is that STEMfags are the insufferable cunts (but honestly, most of them aren't all that bad).

The 'do what you love :))))' circlejerk and the STEMfag circlejerk are both as dumb as each other. Can we all just agree that people whose study interest is business are the absolute worst of both worlds?

>>5764607
Ahh, thanks. There's probably some good opportunities with east Asian languages then, thanks.

>>5764718
Dentists are the worst people. And people who give injections.

>>5764526
This.

STEMfags may think they're hot shit "geniuses," but Jesus fucking Christ are they embarrassing to be around in front of friends or the public.

>>5764526
>mfw I actually listen to some edgy STEMfag proposing that we should enforce eugenics with the only criterion being "IQ"
>mfw I'm an antinatalists and I'm disgusted by someone saying less people should be born

tfw you studied English and did well and got good internships and stuff but are as much of an awkward loner as the STEM stereotype

>>5762188

>implying Milton Friedman was wrong
>implying you're not biased, politically speaking and a complete and total faggot.

English and Math students are the best people, Philosophy and Computer Science majors are the worst.

>tfw chemistry, the worst person-type of the hard science trinity

lol @ all the insecure humanities children itt

>>5764526
>likes to complain that journalism and literature don't have a rigorous peer review process, unlike science
So what exactly does he want? Objective literature? What would that even be?

>>5764663
>Not having an interest in politics and political theory
>2014
Faggot

>>5764966
again
>politics
top pleb
Politics deals with life, the opposite of art, which is aesthetically beautiful, thus vulgar.

>>5764973
>Implying life isn't more important than art
>Implying life isn't more beautiful than art
>Implying art isn't just an interpretation of life
>Implying art isn't just a distraction from life

>>5764981
It's not, you're a fucking retarded pleb, I can tell by the use of the quote function.
>>>/v/
>>>/pol/
read up and learn you mongrel
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/887/887-h/887-h.htm
I swear this needs to be stickied and be a mandatory read for anyone on this board

>implying most humanities students aren't just children that couldn't deal with maths because of short attention span

>>5764993
>Implying someone who values art over life isn't the most retarded of plebs
Faggot

>>5764993

your autism is showing

>>5765000
>>5765002
Plebs detected, click the fucking link

>>5765005
Give me a good reason to care more about a work of art than my own life and I might consider it.

>>5765008
Because you haven't read what I linked so you don't know shit about art you fucking pleb.

>>5765013
I know that life is more important than it and that it reflects life and that it's contained within the experience of living.
I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to you, really.
Also
>Implying I have the time to read that right now
>Implying reading that would enlighten me about the nature of art

>>5765013

stop, you are just shaming yourself

>>5765024
You're wrong and pleb
>>5765029
No

>>5765030

>>5765031
Yeah

>>5765036

>>5765041
Nah

>>5764993
What a huge faggot you turned out to be

>>5765047
Pleb

>>5765054
At least I'm not literally sucking 10 dicks right now, faggot

>>5765055
Better than being a pleb

>>5765059
No it's not. Being a pleb is fine.
It's easy to choke when you have that many dicks going in and out of your mouth and that much semen coming out of them and pooling in your throat.

>>5765062
>Being a pleb is fine.
Wrong

>>5765067
Keep being a slave to patricianhood if you want.

>>5765041
Hegel is just Camus and the rest of the existentialists/absurdists for plebs

>>5765067
>>5765059
>>5765054
>>5765043
>>5765036
>>5765030
>>5765013
>>5765005
>>5765000
>>5764993
>>5764973
>>5764966

holy shit, stop, this isn't your blog, have some dignity for your anon identity

>>5765075
You've got that completely backwards, actually.

>>5765072
Pleb
>>5765079
You stop

>>5765083

>>5765090
reply

>>5765081
>>/lit/thread/5709507#p5710627
fuck off with your shitty "4chan culture", reaction images are fuckign retarded and so is greenposting

>>5763666
>a life wasted on reading books

Ladies and gentlemen, this is /lit/

>>5765105
I blame /v/ for the way /lit/ is now

>>5765097
Where do you think we are?

>>5765115
/lit/

>>5765118
Good to see you're paying attention.
You realize everything on 4chan is 'fuckign retarded,' right? That that's the point of this site?

>>5765108
Why /v/?

>>5764973
Bourgeiose sentimentalism.

>>5765124
/lit/ is part of 4chan only in name
>>5765125
Worst board, filled with literal children and manchildren, makes sense seeing how it's about one of the most asinine hobbies out there.

>>5765108
Are they trying to shame people who play video games on /v/?

>>5765133
see >>5764993

>>5765135
>/lit/ is part of 4chan only in name
What, you can't accept that this board is no better than any other?
>>5765143
You're a fucking faggot.

>>5765137
No >>5765135
They're the second largest board and as such /v/irgins are spreading to other boards and shitting them up, bringing along their shit taste and stupidity, why do you think there are so many genre fiction threads on /lit/ now?
Because /v/
>>5765152
>What, you can't accept that this board is no better than any other?
But it is

>>5765133
>avoiding bourgeois politics because it's bourgeois is a form of bourgeois sentimentalism

>>5765158
>But it is
>Believing this
>In 2014

>>5765152
Pleb

>>5765165
I'm a proud pleb. You should be proud of your pleb status, too. You clearly can't help it.

>>5765170
I'm patrician

I am more intelligent than any girl.

>>5765163
It is by virtue of being a slow board

>>5765177
Then why are you so mad?
>>5765181
How is that an indicator of quality?

>>5765185
I'm not

>>5765188
>You IRL

>>5765185
less shit posted per second

>>5765192
Everything here is still shit, though, and pretending /lit/ is actually better than the rest of this site or is somehow separate from it is pleb as fuck.

>>5765191
Nah

>>5765198
No it's not

>>5765200
Yah

>>5765158
>They're the second largest board and as such /v/irgins are spreading to other boards and shitting them up, bringing along their shit taste and stupidity, why do you think there are so many genre fiction threads on /lit/ now?
>Because /v/
Holy shit is this like when the politicians say that things are going bad because muh immigrants?
like does that stuff get inside people's mind so deep they translate it into viencong imageboard geopolitics?

>>5765208
Nah

>>5765213
>>5765206
>>5765200
I hope someone fucks your ass with a knife, faggot

>>5765211
Except it's true, the average idiot likes video games so they flock to /v/, then after spending a year on this site they look at the other boards and think, "hmmm I have a computer so I'll go to /g/", or, "I read books in class so I'll go to /lit/", or, "I hope /mu/ likes my shitty metal remixes". A lot of terrible posts come from self-proclaimed /v/irgns or people who have been outed as /v/irgins because they're so easy to find, they fit every stereotype about themselves

>>5765221
Looks like you're angry and pleb too

>>5765231
>Projecting this hard

>>5765251
I'm not, I'm speaking from observations; you're misusing the quote function.

Thinking of majoring in history then possibly going to law school, what does /lit/ think?

>>5765268
Fuck off, this thread is derailed.

>>5765264
>you're misusing the quote function.

>>5765231
>the average idiot likes video games so they flock to /v/
>likes videogames so they flock to /v/
>likes videogames [...] /v/
I don't think I need to say anything else.

>>5765272
Whom are you quoting?
>>5765273
Yeah, then they find out how /v/ really is but then they stay there for a while.

>>5765200
>>5765213

>literally "no u" coping technique guy

>>5765279
>Implying it's possible to 'misuse' greentext
>Implying greentext is only for quoting people

>>5765279
u

>>5762356
why in bio/chem?

>>5765283
reply

>>5765271
Will my question be more pertinent to this derailment if I post a relavent screencap from a vidya gaem?

>>5765284
Whom are you quoting?

>>5765304
>Whom are you quoting?
ur mother :^)

>>5764197

those are a couple of authors commonly talked about in classes in IR, along with Mearsheimer, Waltz, Schelling, Crenshaw, etc.

>>5766130
Btw the origin of the political order is pretty good and amusing how fukuyama has moved left of the democratic party and still tries to act as if he was a conservative.

>>5766156

That's been on my to-read list for a while now. May swing by the library and read at least some of it over winter break.