/lit/ - Literature

>>5760272
>Who was the greatest Christian author?
Sam Harris

Is chesterton any good? Ive been thinking of picking him up

>>5760272
>bread pill
Who the fuck comes up with all these goddamn pills?

>>5760272
saved the image

>>5760272
also if your gonna mention dostoevsky, then i gotta namedrop the idiot, as it is basically dostoevsky's portrayal of christ

>>5760272
>KJV

Fix your image already

a really good read!

>>5760272
>KJV
dropped

>>5761293
Known as the "Prince of Paradox," Chesterton is one of the greatest Christian authors of the 20th century.

>>5760272
>Advocating an Anglican text translated from the Masoretics.

>>5762811
If English is your primary language, the KJV is the purest translation.

>no The Kingdom of God Is Within You
pls

>>5762870
But it is tho.

>>5762900
>dat lenin

>>5762900
>>5762913
>dat hitler

>>5762900
I cannot even fathom what this picture is supposed to convey? Someone explain please. Does it have something to do with all them dirty commies and fascists watching Jesus suffer while the good capitalist tries to help or some other retarded propaganda shit?

>>5762937
That dorky guy in the suit? That's us.

>>5762943
I just reverse searched the image and got some Tea Party artist's page. Seems my initial response was correct.

What a goon. Typical 'murrican type of stuff.

>>5762937

I think it is meant to convey the centrality of Christ to history as a whole, and how so few have deigned to approach Christ in real faith because it means being crucified as well. The man in the suit is the true believer, the one who approaches Christ with the offer to carry his cross.
>>5762943
True

>>5762966
>Typical 'murrican type of stuff.

Problem?

>>5762966

>mfw white Jesus

>>5762990

Republican ideology, the picture

>>5763000
Problem?

>>5763000
Sneering effete urbanite, the post

Why no Kierkegaard?

>>5763003
>>5763008

>Republican sympathizers posting on 4chan

Truly the world is damned

>>5760272

In the 20th century, Karl Barth and Hans urs von Balthasar, with maybe Paul Tillich and Karl Rahner in second. Protestants and Catholics respectively.

>>5763008
BTFO

>>5762990

This could also be a Canadian male, no way to tell for sure from the pic

>>5763034
>driving a Ford
>cowboy boots
>flat midwestern plains

>>5763033
>neocuntservative posting Rockwell

Truly, the most idiotic of peoples.

>>5763039

There's nothing stopping Canadians from wearing cowboy boots and driving fords. and the pic is from the Canadian prairie.

>>5763008

Do you even hunt bro?

>>5763019
>being this mad

>>5763067

not mad, just sad

>>5763073

not sad, just rad

>>5763073
Cheer up, squirt.

>>5763099

>mfw white jesus.....again

>>5763106
Problem?

>>5763117

Jesus was a Jew in Galilee 2,000 years ago bro. He was olive skinned at the least, with curly hair. If he truly was a craftsman or carpenter as he is described in the New Testament, he would have had callused arms and scars. He probably had bad teeth too, like most people did then. Not denying that he was the Messiah or anything, just pointing out that he probably wasn't all smiley, handsome, and white

>C.S. Lewis
lol pleb

Kierkegaard. Kierkegaard. Kierkegaard.

>no kierkegaard

>>5763139
>being a materialist
>2014

>>5760272

Not a single author, but the Church Fathers are incredible

http://cuapress.cua.edu/books/series.cfm

>>5763167

If you take seriously the claim that God became a human being, you have to take into consideration the reality of human flesh

>>5763106
happy?

>>5763178

see

>>5763139

>>5760272
>Who was the greatest Christian author?
paul

>>5763187

John

>>5763190
+1

>>5763173
Christ triumphed over the flesh; we worship Him in spirit.

>>5763187
>Who was the greatest Christian author?
>paul
>>5763190
>John

Paul and John were both Jewish authors.

>>5763202

but he had to die a brutal, painful death on cross first. the crucifixion is all important because he suffered for all of humanity (and arguably all sentient life in existence/that ever will exist). and for him to suffer he had to be a material human in the flesh. triumphing over the flesh is important but that doesn't mean we can ignore or sweep past that he was flesh

>>5763209
they received the spirit of christ. they were christians

>>5763209
>Paul and John were both Jewish authors.
give me a break

>>5763210
I agree with you, but there is nothing wrong with depicting Christ as He appears in the spirit.

>>5763223
unless you don't ignore the second commandment

>>5763223
>white in spirit

>>5763223
>meek and lowly king
>aryan superhero

>>5763226
Art is not idolatry.

>>5763233
where does it say that in the bible?

>>5763230
>implying He isn't also a Glorious and Righteous King

>>5763237
We do not worship art; we worship the Creator not creation.

hey christbros what are you supposed to do if you think you're in love with jesus?

>>5763246
worship him through calling his name not attempting to depict him

>>5763247

pray. and be nice and sacrifice for others

>>5763247
let it overflow

>>5763247
Praise Him.

>>5763247
If you are really in love with Jesus, you have to come in his name.

>>5763251
o-ok. these feelings don't feel very christian though

>>5763257
i don't know if i want to let that happen

>>5763293
:(

>>5763293

>>5760272
PKD

>>5762900
>dat Ben Laden

>>5762900
This is the Sergeant Pepper's of weird American religious paintings.

Also, is Lenin doing the funky chicken?

>>5762990
>that rifle positioning

>>5762900
>>5762966
Here, have some Russians.

>>5762966

nothing really bad to paint jesus attending some historical event

i personally recall blok's poem 'the twelve' where jesus goes invisible ahead of 12 drunk revolutionary sailors patrolling petrograd

>>5762990

pretty amusing how that girl checks the belly fat of the dude :p

>>5763139
messiah who can heal and resurrect people
has bad teeth
sure

also jews are white, there are only 3 major human races and jews definitely aren't black or mongoloid (i.e. asians, american indians etc)

>>5763106
Dont be so racist

Mere Christianity is logically inconsistent garbage, you fags need to learn that the only effective arguments for Christianity are largely emotional like those in Brothers K

schellings christian metaphysics is the most advanced form of knowledge, anticipating psychoanalysis, poststructuralism, and modern physics

>>5762966
American Christianity is so removed from the source it's comical.

>>5763202
Christ was fully human and fully divine.
Deal with it.

>>5762825
Of the Masoretics. Any translation stone set since the 1600 completely disregards the LXX and the DSS. Pure translation? Yeah, ok. I'd rather trust in earlier sources to get more authentic text.

So are the Dead Sea Scrolls worth reading?

>>5761300
/pol/
They interact with /x/ enough to take influences, hence creating all those pills to classify ideological premises and motives.

>>5760272
>bread pill
Laughed way too much.
>tfw no fundamentalist gf

>>5762995
He probably had a tan. Look at Syrians, they are the closest to arameans / semites of that time. They look fairly white. Not that they are, of course.

>>5766466

>We must dissent (That feel when no gf)

>>5766466
All thoughts are fundamental, as are all opinions. Try arguing with a self proclaimed moral relativist, and you see.

Has anyone here actually read all of the Summa Theologica

>tfw have to learn more languages than a philologist in theology class

>>5763167
So you admit Christ isn't God incarnate.

>>5760272

Anders Breivik.

>>5763139
Christ was popularly depicted as Italian during the Renaissance, wearing the robes worn by the Classicists, whom the Renaissance artists admired and looked up to. Since then, it has become commonplace to draw Christ as being either white and/or as whatever race the artist is, to emphasize the concept that Christ is in all of us.

>>5764588
I blame the Puritans
The Scarlet Letter opened my eyes to how completely they fucked up American Christianity

>>5767625
Can you really blame them? All of their encounters with middle-easterners / jews were negative.

>>5767900
I'm really not. Maybe I'm giving them a little too much credit, but really there's nothing wrong with depicting Christ as any ethnicity, IMO.
That's right, I'm down with black Jesus. Get at me.

Hey /lit/, what should I read on methodism? I find methodist rules to be far superior to scriptural solace.

>>5764070
Caucasoid, Negroid/Africoid, Mongoloid, Australoid, and many consider Amerindian separate. That's five.

>>5764070
>pretty amusing how that girl checks the belly fat of the dude :p
Oh, I thought she was showing off his rednecked beer gut.

/k/ reporting

>>5762966
I find it more than mildly disturbing that a pregnant woman is depicted among the symbols of corruption.

>>5762787
Who the fuck calls him that besides the Wikipedia article? That sounds like something some homeschooled Chesterboo made up and shitposted.

>>5762937
http://www.jonmcnaughton.com/content/ZoomDetailPages/ViaDolorosa.html

>>5768121

Did the edits of that guys paintings originate on 4chim?
I remember seeing them ages ago on the ar15 forums.tt

>>5768123
I read she is an unwed mother.

>>5762900
>>5762966
Why is Contemporary Christian Art so disposable and such shit? It didn't used to be this way

>>5762966
russian version

>>5766530
I am a moral relativist, come at me.

>>5762966
>benjamin franklin in the background
>thomas jefferson

is this guy serious

>>5768984

>expecting facts in religion

Fool me once etc.

>>5760272
>no Kierkegaard
mfw

>>5769027
unless if you're really interesting in the philology of existentialism, then he doesn't offer very much..

>>5769032
>>5769032
>Kierkegaard doesn't have much to offer except as a footnote to existentialism's etymology

u havin a giggle there m8

>>5760272
Dostoyevsky for sure.
I'd also place Gene Wolfe in there, but that may just be me being a big fan.
Chesterton has a lot of style and is very fun to read, but he doesn't go in depth as much as I'd like.
Lewis had some great entry level philosophy.
Dante is an obvious candidate.
Kierkegaard should easily make it on the list.
Haven't read The Summa or City of God yet.

Read Dostoevsky for the truth about the Roman church.

>>5769318
That is probably the worst of all his ideas.

>>5768261
So was Mary. I am seriously disturbed by that detail.

>>5769032
Existentialism is a footnote to Hegel and Kierkegaard.

>>5764173
>Implying argumentation can overcome faith
>Implying it's possible to be logically consistent over a lifetime
>Implying logic is consistent

I want to be a Christian again, I just can't bring myself to believe in God. Are there any authors that set about to prove God without relying on Dr Dino tier antics or barebones ontological arguments that obscure with reductive assertions?

>>5762966
>Jesus wearing the tree of Gondor
this changes EVERYTHING

>>5763190
Wrong
>>5763187
This is the right answer. His injection of Greek ideas elevated the fuck out of Christianity.

>>5769968
Well every major Christian work should fit the bill.

>>5770014
Is there one in particular that's especially compelling?

>>5770021
The Bible.

>>5766456
redpill is the only /pol/pill. All the others are crap.

>>5763106
You know Jesus was a shapeshifter right?

>>5770021
Summa, Mere Christianity, The Brothers Karamazov of the top my head.

>mother-in-law constantly telling me that I'll believe in god again eventually
>grandmother doing the same
>mfw starting to kind of believe in god again

>tfw people are starting to take /Pol/'s militant Christianity seriously

Honestly I'd hoped that /lit/ was somewhat immune to trends of this kind

>>5770073
What? I see nothing militant about this thread.

>>5760272
bONNHOEFFER

>>5770073
/lit/ was always the most religious board on here

>>5760272
>no confessions by st augustine

>>5770085

I'm not saying that this thread is militant, it's not, it's just that quite obviously the fact that Christianity has become a fashionable way of protesting against the 'neck-beard' stereotype in /Pol/ has caused some overspill.

Other than fashion, nobody who reads has a good reason to be religious.

>>5770099
Careful not to confuse chronology with causality.

>>5770099
see >>5770095
uthoddh flounce

>mfw fedora tippers rambling about the dark ages

>>5770099
>Christianity has become a fashionable
Some people like Jesus and actually want to read about him and his teachings and the ffects that they had on civilisation.

>>5770138
Nah, that's crazy.

>being a /pol/ neo-Christian because of the fedora meme
>playing the adult card as well

That's the gayest shit ever

>>5763139
>On War
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

>>5763237
muh sola scriptura

Luther go home.

>>5770213
You are so enlightened by your intelligence, Austin.

>mfw you had to take this thread here because the atheist biblical literalist was being a faggot

>>5770254

>using stock phrases that came from Reddit

Tell us more, o wise elder of Zion

>>5770262
Abandon Christ those dirty Xians have been persecuting God's chosen for years! Embrace neopaganism and return to your traditional ways, goy.

>>5770273

Could you please go back to /pol/ and have your aryan Christian nazi circlejerks over there?

>>5770281
Fuck Hitler and fuck Aryanism. I'm here to discuss literature and funpost.

>>5770099
Nonsense. I read and am religious like quite a few other anons here.
Faggot.

>>5762990
Why don't girls dress like that anymore?

>>5770335
Because girls are their own people who can make their own fashion choices.

>>5770099
>Other than fashion, nobody who reads has a good reason to be religious.

>>5770099
>Other than fashion, nobody who reads has a good reason to be religious.
Look at him
Look at him and laugh

Hey guys I was going to pick up a copy of Paradise Lost. How is the Barnes and Noble Edition?

The rest of this thread seems pretty gay but I'm joining it anyway

What do you think is the best definition of omnipotence? Able to do anything or able to do any possible thing? Could God make a person God didn't make? Been reading God and other minds

>>5771581
I have it that copy. It works

>>5771597
What are you even on about

>>5771597
Oh, yes he can.
He is omnipotent, so he can break the laws of logic, too.

Then again, "omnipotent" doesn't mean anything. We're safe anyway.
>tfw theological noncognitivism

>>5771597
IMO, applying attributes to God is sort of pointless.

>>5771772
especially since he isn't real

fear and trembling

>>5771781
It has more to do with his transcendence of language, logic, and sensation, actually.

>>5770113
Why are Catholics so based?

>>5771781
Reminder, nobody likes fedora fags.

>>5771971
Because the Catholic Church is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
Checkmate, Lutherans.

>>5767625
>italians
>white

>>5772208
/int/ please
also
>and/or whatever the race of the artist is

Are you guys actual Christians or are you /pol/ trying to start another Crusade? I was raised Catholic, lost my faith, but I think I'm rediscovering God and the Chuch...

>>5772310
my condolences

>>5772316
Your fedora is showing

>>5772322
your ignorance is showing

>>5772310
>I think I'm rediscovering God and the Chuch...

You'll be back. One can have nostalgia for the stupidity of yesteryear, but wallowing in it again is like trying to sleep in your baby bed.

Also raised Catholic. Also lost it. Also rediscovered it. Didn't lose it again so much as laugh as I ditched it.

>>5772323
>>5772332
Have fun with your death-bed conversion.

>>5768057

John Wesley - the father of Methodism

http://www.amazon.com/John-Wesleys-Teachings---Complete-Set-Volumes/dp/0310516455/ref=sr_1_11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1416879481&sr=1-11&keywords=john+wesley

>>5772340
Sola fide, babylonian

>>5772332

>hurrr if I can't have fun, no one else can!!

>>5772354

and the dark one rears his ugly ahead

>>5772361
>implying it isn't true

>>5772356
>Jebus is a game
>Yeezus is fun

>>5772332
>Didn't lose it again so much as laugh as I ditched it.
whatever you say buddy

>>5769032

you must not be familiar with Kierk. He wrote fantastic books on what it means to be christian, how to practice and how to live.

"Training for a Christian life'
"Repetitions & Philosophical fragments"
"Purity of Heart is to Will One Thing"
"provocations"

>>5772361
Not all protesants are faggots.
>>5772354
Stop stirring up discontent.

>>5760272
greatest prophetic writer hands down

>>5772483
why is she getting mindraped by alien tentacles?

>>5772465
name one worthwhile Protestant sect that's not Quakerism

>>5772494

You don't need to belong to a "sect" that's part of the point.

>>5772502
Well when you say Protestants you imply organized Protestant sects or whatever you want to call them.

pic unrelated

>>5772494
>sect
Why not just pursue a relationship with Christ based on reason and the bible instead of dogma?

>>5772361


this is funny because 'pagan' influence is what made catholicism good.

>>5772513
Because Jesus left disciples not documents :^)

>>5772513
>based on reason and the bible

Reason and the bible will actually steer you far away from Christ.

Faith + tradition might steer you closer to him.

>>5772515
crypto-protestants please leave

>>5772552
so... Catholics?

>>5772527
>implying the catholic church's claim isn't some ship of theseus shit

>>5772579
Better than Martin "Burn These Books of the Bible" Luther

>>5772502

Than which fucking Church do you go to? Which priest (or whatever the fuck name Protestant's want for a spade) performs the sacrement/preaches? All of the belong to some fucking sect. Even "Nondenominational Christians" are a sect called, shockingly enough, "Nondenominational Christians".

Also which bible do you read? Or do you just prayer and not read the bible? If so, why not prayer to Zeus, who doesn't require you to be familiar with his canon cause he doesn't have one.

>>5761293
Yes, he's excellent, both for fiction and for religious writing.

>>5772560
you wish

>>5772606
Orthodox then

>>5772584
That's the great thing about protestantism, it's not bound up under some pseudo-monarch. Protestants are free to say fuck Luther if they want to.

>>5772615
heretics and apostates cannot influence me

Protestants lol

>>5772591

>wahh I need someone to spoon feed me all my life
>wahh boo hoo which church do I register at?
>what contract do I sign?! where do I pay my tithe?!

sometimes you gotta grow up and take your faith seriously

>>5772626

>orthodox
>apostates & heretics

The fedora is strong in this thread.

>>5772651
I do, so I'm a part of the Catholic Church started by Peter, not some pissed off German :)

>>5772622
>implying Catholics didn't say "fuck Benedict" until he left
Even the Catholic Church says that the greatest spiritual authority comes not from the pope, but from your conscience.

>>5772651

Why don't you take your faith seriously? Which bible do you read? Why is it better/worse than another bible?

You're making a judgment call. If you don't read the bible, as I said earlier, why not prayer to Zeus?

I borrowed a bible from the library. Which book will have the best chance at reaching me? I haven't read it for many years and I'm reading Luke right now.

>>5772732
>Which bible do you read?

the kama sutra is my bible.

>>5772788
Ecclesiastes

>>5772788
John

>>5772788
Job

>>5772788
Acts

>>5773093
>>5773099
>>5774044
>>5774386
>four responses
>four different answers

>>5774500
Different people are moved by different books. It honestly works best in context. I'd read all of them.

I love Jesus.
Who else /jesus/ here?

>>5772788
Psalms

Melville for fiction, de Chardin for theology.

Just leaving this here:

http://www.ccel.org