/lit/ - Literature

What is Engels saying here?

>"The means of production, and production itself, had become in essence socialized. But they were subjected to a form of appropriation which presupposes the private production of individuals, under which, therefore, every one owns his own product and brings it to market. The mode of production is subjected to this form of appropriation, although it abolishes the conditions upon which the latter rests. "

who's the best greek???

>>5761455
explain fucking phenomenology , that nigger Heidegger is worth reading ?

>>5761477
Homuh

>>5761468
I can't really make much sense of it either. If you can tell me where exactly this written, I can try the german original.

>>5761492
Study of the Phenomenon
This is helpful because you can avoid some of the trickier problems of past philosophy and just focus on the phenomenon
I'd say at least read about Heidegger, his ideas and his terms. Immensely helpful in understanding most of 20th century Continental thought. If you want to try and suffer through Being and Time, go for it.

>>5761499
written in Chapter 3, Historical Materialism, in Socialism: Scientific and Utopian.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm
seems they've also got a French translation up, but not a German unfortunately.

What is dialectics?
Would it be right to say cooking is a dialectic art/act, because you adapt your theory to the material conditions (add ingredients, replace what you don't have with what you have, change quantities), then retroactively change the theory when you are done?

>>5761455
Are there any good modern Greek mythology novels?

>>5761477

Sophocles

>>5761492

Heidegger's famous for radically departing from the phenomenology of Husserl. Is it Heidegger or phenomenology you're interested in specifically?

Although I would say that Heidegger is worth reading, especially his Letter on Humanism if you're looking for an intro.

>>5761522

David Malouf's Ransom is the only one that comes to mind.

>>5761522
Percy Jackson and the Olympians? :D

why do i need to work 50h a week and feel depressed because i don't think my life is going anywhere?

>>5761530
I guess that counts. I meant modern stories featuring Greek mythology, not modern adaptations.

>>5761540
Something less juvenile

>>5761517
I'm no hegelian, but:

>abstract: time to cook, I'll make a peanut butter & feces sandwich!
>negative: nevermind, it tastes like shit
>concrete: maybe I'll try jelly next time

I dunno, maybe I'm just projecting Fichte's thesis-antithesis-synthesis on it.

>>5761543
capitalism.

>>5761477
Epicurus.

>>5761517
You don't really retroactively change the theory in cooking unless you luck on something spectacular

Feel like really dedicating myself to a good read. Help me pick from

>Brothers K
>Gravity's Rainbow (have read most other Pynchon with the exception of M&D)
>Pale Fire
>Ada
>Ulysses

>>5761575

I'd go for Gravity's Rainbow, but that's my bias. Although Pale Fire and Ulysses are also top notch.

What did you think of Crying of Lot 49?

Anything I should know before starting V.? I've only read The Crying Lot of 49 by Pynchon.

>>5761585
I'm a faggot
*The Crying of Lot 49

>>5761585
>>5761593

expect hilarity and feels

>>5761575
Brothers Karamazov is a must read.

If you haven't read it, you must start there

What's the difference between sociology and cultural anthropology?

>>5761585
know that it'll be a giant waste of time. read up on your rhinoplasty

>>5761468
He's saying that products were originally made by a individuals, the creators and sellers of their own wares. This is the presupposition. Collectives are now the producers, yet production is still viewed as resting on this presupposition, though products are not made by individuals.

is the epistemological stance that i have no reason to trust any one source or opinion over another and therefore have no intellectual right to form political opinions coherent and/or warranted?

Should I pull the lever?

>>5761582
I love Pynchon and TCoL49 was p good.

>>5761598
O

>>5761600
Don't listen to this guy, there's no such thing as a waste of time.

>>5761606
What does it do? What does it look like? Where is it?

>>5761575
ulysses or pale fire

>>5761575
pale fire
>>5761599
it's the time frame, sociology is concerned with contemporary society while cultural etymology is concerned with the holistic evolution of culture
>>5761455
why does nobody love me

>>5761603
also is this idea original, if not, where can i read more about it.

>>5761603
>i have no reason to trust any one source or opinion over another and therefore have no intellectual right to form political opinions

I don't see how the conclusion is supposed to follow from the premises here. Even if you assess different sources equally, I presume you have some sort of values that means that you can't agree equally with all opinions at once? And even then, it wouldn't mean you had 'no right' to form opinions. Who ever said we needed a 'right' to have political views?

It's a plausible view, but almost ridiculously restrictive, in my opinion. I'm no fan of scepticism for its own sake.

>>5761606

Por que no?

>>5761615
It switches trolley tracks. Looks like a lever. In a railyard.

>>5761513
Good enough, I had a problem understanding in what relation the word appropriation was used.
Basically: even thought production was socialized, one guy owning the means and others working with them, the finished product was still treated as the property of an individual, the one who owns the means of production. This means of production abolishes the conditions of a worker owning his own product , yet it works for the capitalist owning what his workers produced.

Take it with a grain of salt.

>>5761611
>there's no such thing as a waste of time.
talking to autists is a waste of time

>>5761631
Are you on staff at the railyard? Would you go into a grocery store and start messing with the lights?

>>5761477
Pyrrho.

>>5761632
>>5761602
okay, thank you. I understand now. Engels is much more readable than Marx, but this passage had be scratching my head about the appropriation aspect

>>5761543

Because you're weak willed

>>5761543

Because you're not imagining Sisyphus happy.

>>5761625
>why does nobody love me
gotta put yourself out there just a little bit at least

>>5761634
Said the autist

>>5761635
But if I don't pull it five people will die

I don't have much time please stop asking questions and tell me what to do

>>5761734
Oh well pull it then

>>5761737
But if I do that it will go to another track and kill another person. Still do it?

>>5761774
Hmm idk

>>5761774
Why not just post the image?

>>5761721
ironic coming from a pynchon fan

>>5761629
pardon my ridiculously poor word choice.
when i say "right" what i really mean is can i ever suppose i have enough evidence to hold a particular view on a given subject.
>news source a says reason c ∴ Nz.
>news source b says reason d ∴ Nz.
now i am faced with the decision of why Nz, and i have two sources making contradictory claims (in addition to the fact that both could be wrong, or both could be lying).

if i lived in a world where both a and c reported only things i experienced directly, i could make a judgement such as
> a usually lies, therefore reason d
however i live in a world where source a and d report things about events i never experienced in person, what reason do i even have to believe that Nz occurred?
this dillema is the reason we see so many conspiracy theorists on /x/ and /pol/, at least i'm assuming; just as i can say:
>source A (bbc?) makes me warm inside, therefore reason c, and anyone who says otherwise is crazy conspiracy theorist.
a person on /pol/ can say:
>source b makes me warm inside, therefore reason d, and anyone who says otherwise is a kike disinfo agent.

do i ditch the rationalist autism and live in a world of making whatever assumptions the people i love make just to be happy?

>>5761780
>>5761779
Well great guys now five people are dead and the other guy found the bodies and killed himself out of grief. Thanks for all your help assholes.

>>5761783
Still trying to force the "Pynchon is immature memelit" meme?
You forgot the "he goes into the le toilet xDDD" part of your post.

>>5761805
you mad

anyone have any recommendations for literary criticism with a spiritual bent on Les Miserables?

Where do I meet people who are interested in books

>>5761625
>cultural etymology
whoops
>>5761853
you meet them on /lit/
there are a lot of places you could meet them, but for some reason you chose here

>>5761869
Yeah I don't know what I was thinking

>>5761853
I could be your friend. Let's go camping somewhere and bring some books along.

>>5761455
didn't want to make a thread for this, but if i were to compile a collection of essential books in biological science like origin, descent, and those by EO Wilson.. what would you suggest?

>>5761523
Fuck off, /pol/.

>>5762374
>persecuting /pol/lacks
That's offensive and a symptom of E/lit/ist Culture. Check your privilege, shitlord.

>>5761477
Sophocles is the objective answer but Euripides is my personal choice

>>5761455
how do I choose a theme I want to write about?

>>5761543
Stop letting your job be your entire life

Are Richard Pevear and Larissa Volokhonsky translations of Dostoevsky novels the best ones available or is that just marketing talk?

>>5762471
mostly marketing. translators want work and justify their work by shitting on past translations.
pick a translation and read it. then pick another and read that if you're so inclined. repeat until you find your favorite.

who should i into next

napoleon & d.h. lawrence

or

orwell/nabokov

>>5762502
what do you mean by orwell/nabokov? do you mean read their works?

>>5762512
yap

What's a word that you call someone to whom you e-mail or write letters to?

>>5762691
penpal

>>5762693
Nah not that
just anyone at all you send an e-mail or letter to not necessarily a friend who you exchange with

I don't know how to use the sticky to download good quality ebooks. I always recur to libgen or torrents. After trying a lot of different versions of Gravity's Rainbow with shitty formatting, saw a thread in here where someone linked to a perfectly formatted version. Where do I get ebooks like those?

>>5762691
correspondent

>>5762699
EXZACHARY
thanks m8

Do people on /lit/ appreciate Bob Dylan or take him as a joke?

>>5762704
My personal opinion on Bob Dylan is that he is too political to be considered a great lyricist/writer.
His lyrics have not aged well.

>>5762706
How about his less political work? His mid sixties records?

>>5762717
Can you give me some examples?

Does Anton Chigurh represent luck and chance?

Is Judge Holden supposed to be a god?

Is Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations as groundbreaking and genius as everyone makes it out to be?

>>5762731
Songs like Tombstone Blues, It's All Over Now, Baby Blue, Ballad of a Thin Man, I Want You, Mr. Tambourine Man,

They're on the albums: Bringing it all back home, Highway 61 Revisited, and Blonde on Blonde

>>5762731
And what does /lit/ like Hunter?

>>5762471
just don't read garnett

>>5762772
what's so bad about Garnett

>>5762781
flattens d's style so that everyone, regardless of social rank, etc. talks like a vaguely aristocratic brit

considering that a good part of dostoevsky's appeal is how he can actually get different characters to speak like distinct people, it's a pretty big problem

>>5762791
15 pages or so into Garnett's Brothers K, can kinda see this. continue reading anyway or wait until I can buy another copy?

>>5762800
if you've got the funds to spring for it i'd get another copy, i've got volhonsky and as i recall it was fine

Does anybody else "cringeworthy" is the gayest word ever?

Do you believe there is anyone left on /lit/ who can coherently critique DFW?

>>5762818
It certainly is a meta word.

>>5762821
meta word?

>>5762827
adjective
1.
pertaining to or noting a story, conversation, character, etc., that consciously references or comments upon its own subject or features, often in the form of parody:
A movie about making a movie is just so meta—especially when the actors criticize the acting.
2.
pertaining to or noting an abstract, high-level analysis or commentary, especially one that consciously references something of its own type.

>>5762832
So how is "cringeworthy" a meta word?

>>5762837
In that it also refers to itself. It is a "cringeworthy" word.

>>5762843
How so? I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

>>5762846
I'm trying to say that cringeworthy is a cringeworthy word. Kind of something that refers to itself.

>>5762855
Still not sure I follow. How does "cringeworthy" "refer to itself"?

Best books to start with? I'm a little dim and have only read easy books like The Alchemist, Animal Farm, Waiting For The Barbarians, In The Time of the Butterflies. What do you recommend I should read?

What's a good book on Bronze Age history?

>>5762865
Because he thinks it's cringeworthy you fucking moron

>>5762868
read the sticky

Should I read Dostoevsky's other books before I read Brothers Karamazov? I read Crime and Punishment years ago in high school, but I'm almost positive that I need to revisit that one.

are the new kindles faster? i have a kindle 3 keyboard but it's pretty slow to change pages in PDFs

This probably deserves it's own thread, but i may as well ask here.

Is there a list of recommended fiction novels? I mean the kind of LotR, where there's a cast that works towards a general goal, instead of being random stories or the life of someone that at the end gets killed by supernatural causes.

>>5762704
He's just another rich, overrated Jew to me. Being honest.

>>5762877
Most fiction novels end in the cast getting killed by supernatural causes, sorrry.

>>5762893
Well shit, i guess i can get past that as long as it isn't short stories or works that are thought-provoking like Atlas Shrugged instead of just stories.

So yeah, is there a list of non-phylosophical fiction novels that are recommended by /lit/?

>>5761575
Bro K!
Dostoevsky is so funny and cool.

>>5763027
It sounds to me like you are looking for more genre fiction instead of literary fiction

What kind of genres are you interested in? Sci-fi? Fantasy? Mystery? Espionage?

>>5763140
what happens in the last third of pynchon's v.

>>5763177
I think you replied to the wrong person accidentally man.

"Members have written their own articles, a total of over ten, on the ongoing naval blockade."

Is this grammatically correct? should i use a dash instead of commas?

>>5764139
It's a bit ambiguous about whether they wrote their articles physically on top of the naval blockade or on the subject of it, but I'm sure your readers can extrapolate that from the context.

>>5763164
Hm, thinking about it, all of those which you've cited could work, minus fantasy, since apparently LotR, The Witcher, and GRRM's books are the only worthwile of that genre, from what i've heard.

I take it that for sci-fi and mystery i should read Asimov's books and Agata Christie's respectively, right?

I am looking for self improvement books, something that gives you instructions as in a manual.

If #bookz doesn't have what you're looking for, where do you go?

I can't find The Wanting Seed. Maybe I'm bad at this.

>>5764815
I've never used #bookz, normally I just use library genesis but it doesn't have your book either.

how do you pronounce troilus and criseyde?

>>5764830
Troy-Loose and Cres-ay-duh

or something like that. According to this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tutYS8Yq5lI

>>5761455
Why am I so fucking bad at critical reading?

Is it because I'm illiterate? I don't feel illiterate, so I really hope it isn't that.

Do most of you read (english) novels in its original language or your native language? Assuming english is not your native language.

What are Cicero's must reads ?

I do not have time to read everything he wrote, but I'd like to have 500-1000 pages.

Also, are the Loeb editions good?

So in pic related, did the MC's wife get raped or did she just cheat on him with some guy she met at the shop for a quickie. Can't decide whether I'm supposed to feel bad for her or not.

How do poets always seem to know the names of all plants and animals?

>>5765063
They learn it.

I took a poetry workshop in college and we often walked outside. The professor knew the names of every plants.

How to find books you enjoy?

>>5761455
Can someone summarize 'The Task of the Translator' in laymen's terms? I was interpreting it as the 'pure language' being a sort of cumulative of all languages in that it is the purest form of intent that man can achieve, and it is expressed in translation because we're expanding our language barriers to understand the intended in a whole new light. Apparently, I missed the point, and the 'pure language' is rather nothing that could even be imagined. It's expressed in translation because it shows us that even with our many man made tongues, there are still things we can't really express.
Is there a right interpretation here?

>>5765337
Read, figure out what you enjoy. Talk to other people who enjoy similar books to you. Get recommendations.

>>5764815
I was hoping to get an answer to this. Does anyone know where I CAN find The Wanting Seed?

What's the difference between forgiving and forgetting someone?

>>5764815
Sometimes you have to look for the author to find it in a compilation.

But in this case I can't find it anywhere either, which is pretty weird

>>5765308

Where do you even begin to learn these things? I've tried looking at field guides some, but I can never just look at a plant and be like "oh yeah, that's Jerusalem Thorn, of course".

How do I learn how to stop thinking constantly?

>>5765405
Meditation, perhaps?

Or you could try to channel your constant thinking into something more positive. I assume you want it to stop because it's not positive. If you can find a way to make it positive, that would be a good thing. I'm sure there are better people than me to guide you to most positive thinking, though.

I'm having an existential crisis, is there a way to positively distract myself from it? Also, is there any permanent solution?

>>5765405
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kAJOSCyTB0

>>5765454

Turn your frown upside down. Then go outside and check out some pretty things.

>>5762704
Honestly whenever I listened to Dylan (and I listened to a lot of him) I never was able to focus too much on his lyrics as I was too focused on the music and his voice. But from what I did manage to listen to him he seemed pretty great poet. Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands was my favorite in terms of lyrics.

>>5765454
Take heed of Jeff Mangum's suggestion for how to deal with existential dread:

>and one day we will die
>and our ashes will fly
>from the aeroplane over the sea

>but for now we are young
>let us lay in the sun
>and count every beautiful thing we can see.

>>5761666
:^) upboats if u lov life #NOREGRETS

Why don't people discuss any other genre except philosophy here?

>>5765454
Acquire bitches disregard abstract shit

>>5762695
Correspondent

>>5765980
Because you don't actually need to read anything to join the discussion

>>5764886
I'm French.
Right now, I'm able to read in English, German and Spanish (always going for the original language, obviously). Also, I have not yet read any Russian, Italian or Portuguese literature since I am planning on learning the languages.

... but I'm rather autistic when it comes to translations so you might be better not to value my opinion too much.

>>5762732
-You can see it that way. There's no reason not to see it that way. Anton was Death and I guess whatever other bad you wanna impose on him.
Bell was God, powerless and in awe of the world, of man.
Moss was man.

-Judge was a damned God of some sort. maybe Eris or some other mischievous God. I don't know.

Haven't read Wittgenstein.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n1qixkRGH0

How do you say "Hesiod"?

Is Infinite Jest actually worth reading?

Is Les Miserables actually worth reading?

Am I the only one who finds The Making of Americans completely unreadable?

Is House of Leaves just a gimmick or should I try it out?

What's a good book with gay characters?

>>5766947
Les Miserables has some really beautiful moments (Valjean's garden for instance), and it's quite easy to read, so go for it

>>5766960
Burroughs's Junky
Baldwin's Giovanni's Room

>>5766960
the outsiders

>>5766652
hess
ee
id

>>5767018
hess as in less
ee as in tree
id as in kid

>>5766960
your autobiography

>>5761477
Homer Simpson

>>5766947
I hated Les Mis. But seeing how it's very influential and popular, I'd say go read it or at least try to.

>>5767035
I'd have to mention you to make it count

How do I respect/appreciate sci-fi?
or fantasy for that matter

>>5765660
what the fuck someone stole my sixth grade poem.

>>5765454
Either kill yourself or dedicate yourself to an intellectual pursuit that is, at least currently, open ended.

>>5765660
>How strange it is to be anything at alllllllll

I hate that album mostly but damn, that song

>>5761455

Somebody recommend me some good metaphysical fiction

>>5765405
Get older. You'll naturally start experiencing less of your motion through time due to the relative effect of your compounding past.

How do you pronounce Goethe?

>>5767073
Careful, you might trigger a /mu/tant.

>>5764938
Are you serious? She was clearly raped. Why do you think everyone around her and she herself say that she was "tained", lost her "innocence", and no longer was able to trust anyone and everyone, and now trusted no one?

She trusted the person when she clearly shouldnt have, but she was just that type of person to trust anyone, including the main character which is why he liked her. The man then betrayed that trust by raping her.

For real though it was a shit book /10

MY shit question for /lit/ is, I've been working myself through the western canon and I think I really dislike most of the work made before the 20th century, does this mean I just have a preference for something or am I retarded? I am also being completely sincere about possibly being retarded/an idiot who cant enjoy works which should have some level of enjoyment to them.

Sure these works have historical importance, can help me understand archetypes that show up in later works, but jesus am I tired of greek works where the chorus will not shut the fuck up about summarizing in 2 pages what just happened in only a single page, or about fucking aristocrats who cannot stop bitching about other aristocrats. And the purple prose is everywhere! And it's horrible!

>>5767174
girth

Is it acceptable to read more than one book at once?

>>5765405
drugs and drinking

>>5764296
Bump for answer.

This is gonna make me sound like a Pleb but,

Is Naked Lunch by Burroughs actually readable?, does it have a relatively followable narrative or is it just crazy for the sake of it.

Will a semi-idiot such as my self be able to understand any of it?

why can't I ever finish books even i like them? currently reading murakami's short stories and really like them but I'm stuck in the middle of the book with no motivation to go on

>>5770592
oh and i can't read another book because it's like all my motivation to read words has disappeared

>>5770594
Probably tired, or forever to be an ignorant pleb. I'm vouching for the latter.

>>5769197
I'm about halfway through and keep laughing my ass off every time I read it. Not so much followable in terms of plot (if there is any) but I guess that's not the point.

It's worth a try. Start anywhere, don't try to make sense of every detail, just enjoy the ride.

>>5770632
i am of course not biased but i would say it's fatigue, 5 a levels a shit sleep pattern and a job probably don't help
damn now i'll never be able to read

>>5770651
Just read to pass the time away when you have nothing better to do, ie. sitting on a bus, waiting for food to be ready, during work breaks, between classes, whatever. You'll read enough to find out what kind of stuff interests you more, get some books which you're genuinely curious about. Eventually you'll be reading for pleasure more often. If you're stuck with something, try reading something different for a while. You can always return to where you stopped.

>>5770685
that's good advice, but don;t you need time to read books? i don't think it would work if i kept reading it a few minutes at a time. anyway that's all very helpful so thanks

>>5761455
Could you recommend me some modern witty and funny short stories so that I can improve my english?

>>5770721
Read some Carver.

>>5761477
Plato

>>5764902
Desperate bump

>>5770774
I'll try What We Talk About When We Talk About Love, thanks !

What does /lit/ think of furries

>>5770873
I'm fine with them as long as they don't fuck with animals or have children.

>>5770884

Radical, I meet that criteria with ease. I'm curious as to your reasoning behind the part about kids though.

Is Kierkegaard on Gutenberg? I can't find anything.

>>5770907
I don't really think most people in general should have children, but parents with an irrational and unrealistic relationship to animals should not pass those tendencies on to children.

>>5770930

More of a dragon man myself, but I see your point.

Is there a recommended order to the /lit/ starter kit?

>>5771076
doesn't matter

>>5771076

If you're just starting out I'd really recommend the ones on there you find most interesting. Just for the sake of more easily establishing the habit of reading.

w-who here has read candide's essays

anyone have a link to free Stanislaw Lem's works in English? (the more, the better)

>>5771076
>Dorian Grey

I thought that book was hella boring?

>>5762865
Holy fuck you are retarded.

>>5771794
try in libgen,org, or just google it.

>>5767174
Goatse

>>5772122
no luck so far, but thanks for responding

>>5761492

It's telling that not even Heidegger finished Being and Time.

>>5767180
You don't even like 90th century works like Moby Dick or Tolstoy? There is nothing wrong with having that opinion, modern books are a lot more relate able

>>5761477
Homer for stories, Plato for philosophy

>>5762800
Go and read excerpts from P&V, the difference is minimal. Dostoyevsky isn't an author you have to worry about translation as much, that is to say he's not a very good writer and didn't focus on prose specifically, but rather ideas and characters representing ideologies. I wouldn't say this about to many other authors, translation is difficult and a delicate craft. Dostoyevsky's prose-style is a real fucking bore, and there's nothing you can do to escape it.

>>5773116
Same person here
I know exactly what you mean. Feelin about the same as when I read Notes From Underground (though Brothers K is obviously much more interesting). Wouldn't say it's a chore, but his writing is quite flat and functional

Which Tolstoy's shorter works are worth reading? I've finished The Death of Ivan Ilyich the other day, and it was great stuff.

>>5773452
The Forged Coupon and Hadji Murat are must reads. Kreutzer Sonata is also highly regarded, although I did not find it as good as some of his other work. I would also recommend "Master and Man" and Father Sergius.

I have a character who needs to have inadvertently locked themselves in their own apartment. I know that this is how the story must go, but I don't know how you could manage to get physically stuck in your own apartment. I don't want to tell the reader how this character fucked up so bad, but I want to know myself. How could you do this?

>>5772474

>tell me about Heidegger
>the moustached man
>if I took off that Tyrolean hat, would you die?
>it would be very existential
>you're a big Sein
>As such

>>5761530
>good
That book was fucking terrible.

>>5761548
It's not perfectly what you're after, nor is it very good, but the closest I know is the Penelopiad by Margaret Atwood.

>>5773506
maybe he's waitnig for someone lol

>>5773535

>fucking terrible
>recommends Atwood

Step it up nigga.

>>5773506
House arrest maybe?

>>5773549
I qualified that it wasn't good before I recommended it. You're doing the Aussies' reputation for literacy a real solid, you know that.

>>5773539
>>5773554
Not exactly what I mean, but in the right vein. Like they are physically stuck because the door won't open and they have to live for weeks off of the shit they have and deal with their prescription running out and shit. They can't call out for help because they don't have their cell phone, they forgot it at a friend's. It's one of those stories where all the little inconveniences line up into something shitty and awful.

Can anyone recommend books about Criminology?

what are good books about:
critical thinking
rhetoric
logic

I want to know if this is true:

BEST:
Durian (Ezra Pound)
Cloudberry (T. S. Eliot)
Longan (Robert Burns)
Litchi (Bion)
Rambutan (Arnaut Daniel)
Current (Chaucer)

Good:
Pomegranate (Li Po)
Persimmon (Sordello)
Papaya (Hardy)

Shit:
Grapes (W. B. Yeats)
Apples (all kinds) (Frost)
Oranges (Wallace Stevens)

>>5773622
Have you had deep-fried plantains with sour cream? It's very tasty and I thought you should know, even if I'm too tired to understand your post fully.

>>5773626
but does - Tangerine (Shakespeare) - makes sense?

>>5773657
Tell me what Kafka is and I will understand well because I have read a lot of Kafka as opposed to those writers you've listed.

>>5773659
>implying Kafka could be a fruit

plebeian

>>5773662
You're right, he is a radish. They seem unappealing but they are very tasty if you know how to prepare them.

>>5773665
kafka is a cabbage

>>5773622
>>5773626
>>5773657
>>5773659
>>5773662
>>5773665
>>5773669
what is this discussion

>>5761794
I'm not the person who posted this, but this is something I think about all the time, and something we're all faced with every day. And yet nobody ever replied to it? Is this what they mean by underrated post?

>>5773622
probably close, but upside down + backwards.

arrange from sweetest to tartest, with y axis for bitterness.

>>5773506
He could simply have lost the key.
If you want a more dramatic effect, he could break the key in the lock while trying to open the door.

>>5761455
Does anyone have that picture of the 30-something WASP adults all holding a copy of Infinite Jest?

Ok yeah I looked at the wiki
Dont want to start a new thread just to be told to read the wiki!
/v/ and /tg/ lurker here recommended reading?
sci-fi was not to impressive on the wiki page
sci-fi recommended reading?
metro 2033 was a bit meh
but i did enjoy roadside picnic
and do androids dream of electric sheep

>>5761477
aristippus
>>5761492
the study, or the elucidation, of the structure of conscious experience
>>5761603
>is the epistemological stance that i have no reason to trust any one source or opinion over another and therefore h..
You're trusting your own opinion in judging that you "have no reason to trust any one source or opinion over another". You judge that all judgments are equally untrustworthy - except your very own judgment that all judgments are equally untrustworthy. You aren't trusting anyone but yourself, while saying all judgments are equally untrustworthy, which should include your own judgement, in order to be consistent.
>>5762691
associate, correspondent, penpal, in communion
>>5765337
I go to the library then check out anything that looks remotely interesting. Back home I'll skim them, and most I wont bother reading, some I'll read a chapter or two, and by the end I'll finish reading about 2 books of the 15 I got out. This way I know I didn't miss out reading the other books because I confirmed they were shit and not worth my time, and because you get out so many (varied) books, you can find yourself interested and learning about all sorts of different things. You'd be surprised what you find interesting
>>5765405
listen to music with earbuds, learn to focus your attention on the drums, then the guitar then the vocals, then onto objects in your visual field, then the feelings in specific parts of your body. It's like a muscle you have to work out (your attention) normally it wants to be like 4 inches behind your eyes in an internal monologue, but you can shift it with practice, and have it stay there, all throughout your phenomenal experience. look into mindfulness
>>5765454
suicide is a permanent solution
>>5765980
because there is no /phil/ board
>>5767188
do what you want
>>5770592
if you have no motivation to go on then you don't really like them. stop approaching books as challenges to 'get through', or to 'tick off'

>>5773506
He drops the keys down the kitchen sink.

Weirder things have happened.

>>5773769
>>5773730
how would losing the key lock you inside your apartment
do you guys lock your doors from the inside

>>5773765
ahh ok nevermind found it
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Science_Fiction
I am still half asleep
I went to
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Science_fiction
Five book's phhhft
Still book's for /v/?

some non-white male authors that arent muh identity politics?

>>5773793
akutagawa ryunosuke

>>5773802
is he channelling smug pepe?

>>5772768

Complete agreed. You left out Alexander for the material world.

>in4b Macedonian not Greek

Fuck you Herodatus clearly says the Macedonian's (at the very least the House of Argead) were Greek.

Will I ever live out my dream of seducing Kierkegaard?

>>5767174
Gur-teh

>>5773835
Only if you believe it

>>5773612
principa mathematica or any entry level discrete book

>>5773835
I'd read this fan fiction.

>>5761455
Is this thread a meta thread thread?

Do any of you remember a sci-fi series that involves what might be an alien race, but they all fly in cylindrical ships and are generally viewed as incredibly powerful when compared to other races in sci-fi?

>>5761455
How do you pronounce Nietzsche, Foucalt, Sartre, and Camus?

>>5775760
Nee-Chee, Foo-call, Sart, Ca-moo

>>5775774
Thanks anon

>>5761455
what is the damn font + font size you should use in MS Word to make sure it's all just like in the live, published version(once the work is published obviously)?

>>5775784
For Sartre and Foucault, the last letter is still technically pronounced, but silenced as is typical for French in general. Unless you're learning French you don't need to worry about it though.

>>5775760
>Foo-call
>Sart
It's Foo-co. and Sart-air

>>5775774
It's Nee-Chay moron

>>5771893
nah it's gr8

>>5761455

I find that I improve a TON when I'm just writing a story and my writing fluctuates wildly depending on how strongly I'm inspired. My style in prose and story telling changes a lot, so I've got ~40k words in a novel that varies in every way.

Is this a problem? If you read a book where every time there's a mood swing or a sudden burst of events and the style changes enough to be noticable, would that annoy you?

My worst writing is usually in the connections between plot points, is that going to cripple me?

why is /lit/ so terrible, yet I can't stay away? Is it like rubber necking?

>>5776879
You should probably take a lot of time to edit your work, so its more consistent. But personally, I tend not to be too bothered. In fact, fluctuating style can make you appreciate the good parts more, I think, or force the reader to pay more attention, as things suddenly shift on them. It can make for a good read, but don't count on that, I guess. Can't really say, not having read your work, but don't worry about it too much just yet.

That's an answer, here's a question: I want to get into reading Emil Cioran, but I don't know if it matters whose translations to go for, or if some are to be avoided. Anyone have any ideas?

>>5773789
Start with the Greeks

>>5773793
I am also interested in this question.

>>5773811
Where should I start with this guy? he's got like a billion books.

>>5775760
Camus can do, but Sartre is smartre

How does one do an outline for short stories, and how does one create a mood in a story?

>>5777518
start with the greeks.