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You won't have to deal with as much bullshit.

iT'S THE CHRISTIAN THING TO DO

rationality - acting amoral is dangerous since you can be punished by the law, and it may hurt your personality since some altruism is innate for humans as for a species

pascal's wager - if you don't and the hell exist, you have a higher chance to get there which is an endless loss for relatively small bet - the effort you need to be moral

Why ask the question if each person who answers has their own definition of morality?

Do what you want to do, OP.

>>5723944
>pascal's wager - if you don't and the hell exist, you have a higher chance to get there which is an endless loss for relatively small bet - the effort you need to be moral

implying god wouldnt know if you were trying to fool him with false niceness

implying this isnt a false dichotomy

pretty much as simple as the golden rule

if other people cared as little for your well-being as you did for there's, your life would be miserable

if you have, at any point in your life, relied on the generosity, kindness, and good-will of other people in order to succeed, then you're a hypocrite if you don't life your life like these people.

you're basically a moral NEET.

>>5723959
>implying every religious person doesn't follow a religion purely to get into heaven

>>5723974
but they arent usually sociopaths pretending to be nice to get into a heaven

The question of "why" has as much inherent value as the question of "why not". Which is none.

The choice is yours, simply be prepared to live with whatever consequences come from your actions.

>>5723981
They may not be sociopaths but a great deal of them purely commit "moral" acts to get into heaven.

I do not oppose this by the way, it's simply the truth.

>>5723987
what im trying to get is that most people have a moral code they learn by experiencing humanity in a civilized society, and the teachings of the bible reinforces it
but the people like OP who say "why should i act morally" and come up with pascals wager as the answer would never be able to get into heaven because god would see right through the illusion

>>5723933
Your question already presupposes circular reasoning, so the answer is simple: because you should.

>>5723996
But God created the situations in which this person would come to such a conclusion and God knew before creating the person that they would come to this conclusion.

Why must he punish something that followed his rules or in your thinking, his biblical code?

>>5723944
pascals wager is about the concept of faith and only that, its has no relevance to a moral code

>>5723999
Are you sure the Christian God is aware of the future?

>>5723999
because pascals wager is about faith, the actual belief of a god, not about upholding moral teachings

>>5724001
He is Omniscient and Omnipresent, is he not?

>>5724001
He explicitly says so

>>5723944
why should i act rationally

I didn't tell you to. Why do I have to justify something I never said?

Do what you like, just know some people carry knives and shit so be careful. Also some people are fucking crazy and will kill you for not looking at their dog. I don't care if you kill people and shit, so long as it doesn't harm me, but I doubt you'd have the balls to do something seriously immoral, so there's nothing to worry about.

Why make a mountain out of a molehill? Just keep doing what you're doing no need to worry about metaethics or analyzing your actions.

>>5724008
He knows the future, so that would mean the future already happened? You could possible be omniscient without knowing the future, because you can't know something which hasn't occurred. He just knows everything as it happens.

>>5724023
I don't think you know about the Christian God or rather, maybe you chose to believe God in a different way which means you are not thinking of the Christian God.

>>5724037
Nobody truly knows the form of God which is indeed God.

>>5723933
Why not?

>>5724014
You don't have to, there are plenty of career paths in gender-studies and critical whiteness.

>dbasicp instruction

Why should you do? You have not resources to protect you from my wrath.

>>5723933
in situations where acting morally benefits you you should act morally(because it benefits you)

there will be situations where acting morally will benefit you

for other situations, simply do not act morally.

wow! that wasn't very difficult was it?

>>5724189
Why should I act in ways that benefit myself?

>>5724194
It's not so much that you should, but rather that it's safe to assume you might want to.

I want to be a robot, but then people call me autistic.

>>5723933
You OUGHT only to when and if there is a high chance of reprisal by law, and only at such times.

>moral nihilists everywhere
>throwing words around like ought and should
>delicious

>>5724343
And what? The robots have not emotions. Or u want to be Bender?

>>5723933
cause ima kill you if ya dont

>>5723933
Define "Morally".

Also, there is no "should".

because how else do you get to be king in the kingdom of ends?

>>5724600
If there is no should then why would he need to define 'morally'?

Because you need to if you want the cooperation and approval of larger society.

>>5723944
>rationality - acting amoral is dangerous since you can be punished by the law, and it may hurt your personality since some altruism is innate for humans as for a species
Acting amorally but in your self-interest would include not openly transgressing against the rules of society when not necessarily. Being amoral doesn't mean you become blind to the risk that other people pose, it just means that you navigate their rules as if they were mere obstacles instead of moral statements.

>>5724600
I'm new to nihilism and other similar schools of philosophy. Could you explain to me why there is no "should"

>>5724709
Why would there be a should?

Is that the guy from Miami Vice in your pic, OP?

>>5724564
a state of transcendence above that of our animalistic impulses. A state that neither profits or deficits as we live without constant battle of the contradicting forces. A state of universal harmony.

or yeah being bender would be pretty cool too

>>5723933
Cause you ought to be holy.
why?
Because God is holy and that's what he intends to make you.
Now you can go against it but that's not what will make you truly happy.

Also because you don't wanna be a autistic sociopathic faggot.

>>5723933
because it's just plain better you obtuse little shit

>>5724774
why are christians so effeminate?

>>5724798
Does it make you manly to act out of hatred instead of love?

>>5724815
the christian notion of holiness is what's feminine

>>5724825
does this guy look feminine?

>>5724880

Yes, very.

>>5724880
>Long flowing hair
>Delicate hands
>Fluted cuirass for child-bearing hip effect
>Knee-High Boots

Womanly as fuck.

>>5724884
Jesus was alpha as fuck

>>5723933
>>5723933
because God

>>5724909
Well yeah man, he'd have to have balls of iridium to pull off the biggest long con in history.

>>5724880
yeah, looks like a bitch

>>5723944
>pascals wager
Not taken seriously by anyone, literally a retard argument. You assume that only "no hell" and "christian hell" are the options, when in fact "no hell" is the most probable option, and then you need to add all the millions of concepts of "hell" from other religions too.

>>5723933
>why should i act morally
Define "acting morally", there can be no sufficient answer before you do that.

>>5724909
>living with mom & dad for practically all his life
>kissless virgin until death
>alpha as fuck

>>5724909
>that black tribesman wondering why all these guys have been taken in by this hippie cracker

>>5724709
See "Hume's Guillotine". Basically, one cannot derive an "ought" from an "is", which is why all arguments with basis in "ought" are invalid.

You don't have to. Go ahead and act immorally and see how it turns out. Report back.

>>5723987
Not everyone is so greedy and self serving. Some religious people are moral because it is the right way to act. Stay jelly of their eudaimonia

>>5724943
>Go ahead and act immorally and see how it turns out
Unless you are a retard, it will turn out just fine.

Acting in your own self-interest is what all people do, some just mask their egoism with a "holier than thou"-attitude and some bullshit christian charade.

Wanting to "get into heaven" for "being a good person" is the pinnacle of egoism.

Reminder that morality is nothing more than preferences.

>>5724949
>Not everyone is so greedy and self serving.
Humans are self-serving and greedy in nature.
>Some religious people are moral because it is the right way to act.
And how do they arrive at what is the "right way to act"? By reading the bible? Give me a fucking break.
>Stay jelly of their eudaimonia
Why would anyone be jelly of willfully ignorant plebs? (because face it, religion exists for plebs to follow and for emperors to abuse in their quest for power)

>>5724952
>le edgy fedora teenager : the post

>>5724968
How is he wrong?

>>5724971
Don't expect a constructive argument from a shitposter.

>>5724938
>living with mom & dad for practically all his life
Most of the time he was traveling, teaching, healing, preaching and ministring.
>kissless virgin until death
God didn't became man to fuck bitches.

>>5724971
Because many people don't act in their self interest, unless you broaden the definition into meaninglessness as a defense when I mention this.

"Everyone is selfish, therefore, so shall I also be" OTOH, is an iconic quote from sheltered educated youth, and petty criminals.