/lit/ - Literature

nishitani or dave lewis ty

Metropolitan Kallistos Ware

Stirner

Anaximandros

>>5718637
Zizek.

>>5718637
someone with intelligence and doesnt plagiarise

or

a pop-philosopher who speaks in broken english and steals others' work

hmmm

>>5718845
>someone with intelligence and doesnt plagiarise
can't see shit captain

>>5718845

>plagiarism

we still remember what happened, you gotta wait like five years with that.

what he did was extremely silly and reproachable in its intellectual laziness, but it's not 'stealing others' ideas'.

>>5718845
pure ideology

>>5718845
And so on and so on *sniffs*

>>5718856
self-plagiarism is plagiarism

>>5718884

I don't agree with that

Zizyzi seems to be an Internet/talk radio meme

Chomsky for substance, Zizek for entertainment

Chomsky was good before he went all political and opinionated. Zizek was always shit.

I don't know Chomsky's stance on this, but Zizek has written and commented quite a bit on identity politics and that's an issue that's been really bothering me.

I agree with his stance that the focus on it in left-wing movements nowadays is, to say the least, disproportional. I don't know how things are in the US, but where I live gender issues is almost the default theme of most student organizations I observed. When Israel is bombing someone or the government is trying to cut welfare they change the focus to the middle-east and economics for a few days and that's it. After that we're back to feminism, and don't you dare question it, your chauvinist pig.

I don't know if Chomsky has ever written about that, but in general I prefer Zizek because he can be far more critical of the Left than Chomsky seems to be. It's even kind of a shame he attempted to make something out of OWS.

>>5719018
Are you Canadian?

>>5718637
chomsky kept missing the point in his debate with foucault. he sounded like an obnoxious undergrad.
zizek wins by default. at least he's aware that he's pretty much a meme now.

Chosmky was great when he was younger and focused on linguistuics, now he seems senile.

Zizek is a mad cunt m8

>>5719006
when was chomsky not political? or are you saying the only interesting thing about him is his linguistic writings

>>5719018
>I don't know if Chomsky has ever written about that

I dont think he has but as a whole I like to think that the whole gender identity nonsense is such a joke that he doesnt want to even recognize it as an issue, not unlike some other topics he has ignored in the past

>>5719018

https://www.sacredfools.org/crimescene/casefiles/s2/shipoffoolsstory.htm

The Unabomber was right

Has anyone read Manufacturing Consent?

Continental philosophy is fun and could have delivered exactly the same thesis.

But without the "samples" of media and all the charts detailing proportions of coverage, it wouldn't be 1/10th the book it is.

It's really only in the first 30 pages or so that Chomsky and Herman hand-wave and generalize. The rest is jammed with references and charts. It's fantastic.

You want to learn scholarship? Try picking random footnotes from that book and fact-checking them. The writing of the book itself is the last 5% of the work. The research is the first 95%.

If you ask me, the higher that second figure, the better the scholarship. The more pages read per pages written, the better.

>>5719142
No, but I'm told this is a global issue.

If I lived in Canada maybe I could tolerate this a bit more, because the conditions of the average person are quite decent over there. But it's actually worse when, on the way to such left-wing meetings, you have to walk past downright misery and then sit down while a 21 year old girl is given time to tell everyone Marx was a sexist.

I'm not neglecting the importance of these things, but it can get kind of ridiculous sometimes. And given that most of their demands can be met by a fairly moderate and progressive center-left government I don't know what they're doing there at all, considering they're not really interested in any other debate. I mean, they can adorn their speeches with words like "neoliberalism" a lot, but they know they mean nothing by it.

>>5719186
>Chosmky was great when he was younger and focused on linguistuics, now he seems senile.
this

>>5719006
>Habermas above absolute shit tier
into the trash it goes...

>>5718637
Zizek is a massive faggot
Chomsky is the last straw for any leftist living in the illusion that there will be change. His words on recent topic are opium for all hoping addicts out there that don't want to accept that people are shit, that they are themself shit and literally all goes to hell.

Zizek isn't a dumbass, so him.

Chomsky is good at linguistics, he really needs to stop acting like he knows anything about philosophy or politics though. Has been getting increasingly less relevant since the 2000s, will most likely be forgotten about in 20-30 years.

Zizek is crazy but once in a while he'll have a really genius insight, and he usually knows where his expertise ends and doesn't try to act like his opinion is authoritative on every subject.

I rather pick Badiou than either of them, but I guess Zizek.

chomsky's politics are well researched and extensive. from the few articles i've seen of zizek's on the guardian he says nothing of value beyond vague ramblings.

>>5720674
Chomsky is one of the most relevant people alive today. He was voted as world's top public intellectual, he is one of the most quoted people and has been a professor at a top university fof decades. He does speeches at the UN where they take half an hour just to introduce him. What the fuck are you doing? Loser

>>5720856
Sounds like a really subversive guy

>>5720674
>Chomsky is good at linguistics, he really needs to stop acting like he knows anything about philosophy or politics though.

This seems to be the prominent opinion of him. Why? Can anyone be specific about what they find so bad about his political and philosophical opinions?

I think his comments on the irresponsibility and increasing specialization of modern intellectuals are pretty accurate.

Chomsky will be forgotten, Zizek will be remembered as the new Philosopher saviant of our era. It always happens like that

Tbh they have nothing to do with each other, they don't really acknowledge each other ever, those YouTube videos are all edited to make it seem like they have an ongoing rivalry but they really don't. Their criticisms are by and large compatible, but when Chomsky criticizes Zizek's method or lack thereof I have to agree with him. Zizek has made a career out of not having his shit together.

>>5718637

>>5718637
>liking a leftie
ishygydiggydiggydo

>>5719006
Where are the continental Germans and the greeks

>>5719018
Fucking identity politics man

The only serious intellectual in that picture

>"It is not unlikely that literature will forever give far deeper insight into what is sometimes called 'the full human person' than any modes of scientific inquiry may hope to do."

I like them both, but tend to take Chomsky more seriously.

>>5718649
Look mom! I posted it again! :DDDD

>>5719018
>>5720917
>>5719234

I think identity politics should just be ignored. On what basis? Is it all false, trivial garbage? Fuck no, there's a shit-ton of A-brains in on that game, it's not just a bunch of posturing. Gender, sexuality, these are complex fucking ideas.

But hunger and poverty and war are more important, and that should be obvious to anyone. The problem with the left today isn't that it has identity politics. It's just an over-emphasis on identity politics.

We can help shift its focus, not by arguing, but by continuously bringing up labor/poverty/war issues, and by continuously participating in that kind of political game (activism or whatever the fuck you do/don't do).

>>5723177
I agree with you. There's no problem with an identity-oriented platform if it doesn't come at the expense of everything else, including class, economics, geopolitics, the enviroment and so on. The proponents of that platform say it does not remove the focus from other issues, but it does.

I think the left is addicted to this because it gives them some immediate popularity, but it's not a very lasting one. In the 60s race was all the rage and all movements shifted their focus to it and black activists marched under the banner of anti-capitalism. 50 years later, where are all the black activists, and who in the african-american youth is reading Padmore, Nkrumah, James, Sankara, Fanon? It's even kind of depressing listening to Stokely Carmichael's lectures in the 90s because he's talking to a few dozen people at best, most of whom are white, most of whom are agressive towards him, like the audience in the Zionism lecture.

This is the inevitable fate of the gender/sexuality problem as well. They often align themselves with radical movements because they believe they have radical concerns, but 20 years from now when abortion and gay marriage are legal and there are due laws regulating certain speech and behavior on certain places they'll all probably leave. And the Left will be reduced to just a few people, with 50 years of unchallenged neoliberal designs to undo.

Identity problems will exist as long as the people who share this identity feel underrepresented. Class problems will exist as long as capitalism does.

>>5718637
Chomsky is edgy 17 year old in the disguise of an ageing man