/lit/ - Literature

YOU'VE GOT ME FUCKED ON PCP?!?!!

For those who've not heard of ZWG, it's a fortnightly compilation of creative works from 4chan, at the moment mostly /lit/. We take emailed submissions, edit them and present them in a fortnightly compilation here on /lit/.

We consider all works, poetry, prose, essays, reviews and whatever else you can think of. If you want to show your work to anon, send it in! The second issue has so far clocked over 1300 downloads and we're starting to promote ZWG on other boards.

More information can be found on our wiki at http://zinewritersguild.wikia.com/wiki//lit/'s_Zine_Writers_Guild_Wiki, and the first two issues can be downloaded from http://zwg.wildwestwaffles.com

some winrar news for /lit/: The zine is now tenatively working with 2+ graphic designers, and issue 4 may feature some jaw-dropping collaboration with these talented anons

we also have 2 more tentative editors who have applied, and our format is possibly getting changed

downloads of the zine are about 1000+

things are looking good :3

>>562184
lol

>>562196
Wow, 1000+? I wouldn't have believed it before.

And collaboration sounds great, I would be interested in submitting writing more if I knew there would be nicer formatting and maybe some illustration of the stories!

>>562195
nice use of the word "fortnight" i don't heard that enough anymore

>>562179
Looks great :)

>>562209
heh, we're doing pretty nicely. Formatting is certainly an issue that we will be working on in issue 4: all of the graphic designers involved are wanting to alter this.

As for illustrations... unkown as of yet if we can get any. But we shall continue campaiging until we do!

Recommendations of the best stories in this one to read?

I skipped right to the poetry, and I haven't finished the section yet, but some of it isn't too bad. Good job poetryfags.

>>562241

Here's the tier as it stood from the last thread-

Godly
NONE

Good

“Special” by Josef K.
“Explorer of Nothing” by Bulnowt
“Falling” by Gjallarhorn
“Rivers” by Chris Bishop
"Blood on the Tracks part 1"

Meh

“Tall, Thin, and Faceless” by Globulus
“Our Marriage” by Michael Quyen Hoang
“Preserve” by Ferric Suarez
“The Facts…” by Freddy P. Kemp

Bad

“Nike” by winter_soldier_alfa
“Absurd, Berserk” by Philly K.

Shit

“Fiji… Blow” by Freddy P. Kemp
“The Noise” by Cretin
“Jack & Camille” by Joe Brown

Also, forgot to mention, we have an IRC channel where you're welcome to ask the editors questions (if they're about) - irc.freenode.net, #ZWG.

We're interested in all possible contributions - written submissions, illustrations, art, graphic design - and we may also be looking for copy editors and alpha proofreaders in the near future to help improve the quality of the zine.

Finally, as the writer of "Blood on the Tracks, part one" (a serial of at least five parts to come out in the next few zines) I'd love to hear what you have to say about it :3

>>562253

ouch, low tier. I had a feeling that story was a stinker. Just goes to show not every idea you think up while you have diarrhea is a good one

>>562253
Could we have some slightly more detailed criticism than just "shit"?

Also, you left out Blood on the Tracks, which I think is great tier going on god-tier if the rest is the same quality.

>>562251
Which one do you enjoy, or vaguely give a thumb pointing a little more up than side-way?

guy from /3/ who volunteered to do some graphic.

just sent a message on zinewritersguild@gmail.com, hope i can help

This thread is now about improving ZWG so that Issue 4 won't suck.

~ Justification. We must has.
~ Better cover and design, but apparently you're already on that. Good job.
~ The return of stories on the cover, the title and authors so that the more "enjoyable/good" stories are out in sight. I felt much more tempted to read Issue 1 because there were reading suggestions than the last two. Maybe a lazyfag suggestion, but it works, and helps build discussion. Some will bitch and moan that they don't make the cover, but that only gives them motivation to try harder next time.
~ Don't put Josef K dead in the front of the magazine. Spread his stories out, as with any author that is well-liked. Encourage reading by not stacking at the front.

>>562340
Good suggestions all, more like this.

Also, good idea to send things like that to ZWG in emails.

>>562280
Joseph Osborne's poems
They win every time (I think part 4 could be revised a bit)
Storm a Comin'
A Product of Stagnant Water (possibly my favorite)
I run the paper route

I'm one of the people who submitted poetry so I don't want to list my own...So I'll just advise you to not take my word for it and go read everything.

>>562340
>This thread is now about improving ZWG so that Issue 4 won't suck.

I think a section for (well-thought-out) reviews would be good. I like the idea of ZWG not being just a showcase, but rather a way for us to all critique and improve.

this is fucking cool!
i'm an illustrator.. does anyone need their submissions illustrated??

>>562366
If you want to help authors with designs for their stories, I suggest getting on IRC or the wiki. Most of the active authors are there.

>>562340
No, this thread is about criticism and review of ZWG stories. Stop focusing on the zine and give the authors some feedback.

Feature fewer of the various editors' works, prefer actual /lit/ submissions.

>>562381
Chill, let's do both.

>>562383
There has been one piece by an editor so far. LBO isn't an editor.

>>562381
>No, this thread is about criticism and review of ZWG stories. Stop focusing on the zine and give the authors some feedback.
>Clearly hasn't read the OP, which says...
>...so please use this one to discuss Issue 3, the works within and how we can improve the zine. All criticism is invited.
Oh, anon. Learn to read.

>>562366
I would absolutely love to see some illustrations. Drop me a line and I can send you some of my future submissions.

>>562274

For what piece do you want more detailed criticism?

Do Blood on the Tracks, say which tier it belongs in and why.

So is Part 2 of Memories too much of the bing bang boom for Anon? It was basically just one story but had to be broken up because it ran too long, so that's why it probably feels so contrasted.

I submitted some poems as well, but I have no idea what issue they'll appear in.

>>562423

It's already posted in 'Good' tier. The writing is amazing if not a bit too high-brow but it falls into the same problem as the author's last work - shitty dollar novel material. I want some real substance in my short stories, not just ultra sci-fi steampunk fanfic. I do have to say the first paragraph was balls-to-tha-wall AMAZING.

>>562428
Shit, it is as well. Missed it in the last list and didn't check again.

Get LaTeX or at least InDesign up in this shit, the typography is killing me

>>562428

I only read half of it because it was so impenetrable.

I have to say overall the fiction in this issue was a combination of writing and main idea. It was either a combo of good writing/bad idea, bad writing/good idea, or just god-awful in both. No story was good enough to hit the 'Godly' tier.

>>562441
There's someone using InDesign working with them now.

>>562394
nah. I did Lazarus in the Hourse of Hrothgar for the first issue intentionally to show that editors were contributing... however in the end it was decided that having my name attached would do more harm than good. I resquested my work not be attached to the promotional cover... but time ran out and it was never removed

>>562340
these are all very good ideas and I want to encourage more of this kind of suggestion.

>>562572
I like this .gif, even if it has nothing to do with the thread

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Woodworker here, need some photos of a gigantic mahogany dildo? Or even the actual item itself. I've got several lying around.

>>562619
>mahogany
>hardwood

>>562619
Everything is accepted.

>>562624

>>562678
booby.

>>562253

Author of Preserve here
the second part is due in the next issue and as such i would appreciate it not being tiered as of yet
but if anyone has any good criticism of it i'd love to hear it

General verdict on this project? I tried reading the first issue, but I couldn't get past the first two shitty stories.

>>562786

it's improving. Last two issues have been much better. There are still A few good ones in issue 1, but check out 2 and 3.

>>562424

Protagonist should've died.

sage

Josef K's story is godly

>>562179
What a sexy, sexy print.

>>562877
Seems like reaction was mixed in the last thread. Some people didn't like the passive voice choice.

So I joined the ZWG team, already said this but should post it here as well:

If you're going to submit a story, and you want an illustration to go along with it, just write down what you would like to have. Don't make it too difficult though, just imagine what you thought of while writing your story/poem

>>562982
That one was HR, might be a bit too big for everybody

The cover for the fiction part

Poetry!

>>562359
Joseph Osborne here, thanks!

Another example of a cover design

Two poems by Mason

Poem by John Brown

>>563010
Woops, Joe Brown, my mistake

This is an example of the text

>>563010
win

>>563010
I really like this design, but it almost feels... too made up, too visual arts. At a certain point it starts to detract.

>>563029
Fuckin' nice.

Really nice. Needs some creepypasta though, /x/ has some surprisingly good writefags.

>>563145
hmm, that is a question. How much can a designer alter a piece? hell, I dunno

>>563257
Josef K. is from /x/, so is HowToKill/x/, both in this issue.

>>563351
lol, and he's one of the most well recieved authors here.

we need LESS /x/!

>>563366
NEVAR! /x/ representing!

>>563351
needs Black Fedora

>>562381

>>562975
Some people are idiots. It works.

>>562779

>>563618
He meant stop focusing on the editing and presentation of the stories, and start critiquing the stories themselves. Which is sorely needed in these threads. People get so caught up in the zine shitstorm that they fail to give the authors feedback.

>ZWG issue is out
>expect some criticism and advice ITT
>loads of shitposting and some fucking graphic designer tripfag
why did i even bother submitting anything

>>563775
This is exactly what's wrong with the zine. Everyone's focused on the actual zine, for or against, and not on the stories. I'd rather there be no more zine, and independent threads devoted to each invidious story.

>>562253
Eeeeugh I got Bad Tier. I need to be better at writing.

Any authors that really want feedback?

>>563839
Philly K here, author of Absurd, Berserk. I would love it.

>>563839
Ferric Suarez, author of Preserve here
would love some.
i'd like to get out of
>meh tier

>>563775
Unless you specifically asked for feedback, stop your bawwing.

>>563843
ANGUISH being capitalized annoyed me.
There was a lot of description going on, not a bad thing, but I could see some sentences that could be cut out.
All in all it seemed to not really go anywhere.
Putting it in bad tier, however, is quite unfair. It was still better than that.

Reading Preserve right now.

>>563853
Yeah. Dunno why the fuck I capitalized that. It was basically just me experimenting with fears and shit. Thanks for the criticism man.

>>563848
i did, in the LAST thread, you fucking cuntgoblin

>>563876
Which story was yours?

>>563844
The constant line breaks were odd, and due to the way the zine indents them massively it made it slightly more difficult to read. You don't really need to put line breaks in all the time in my opinion.
I noticed some errors with lack of commas - it wasn't to extremes, but I could see it at some points.
The story worked well and I did like the characters and the way Edgar spoke awkwardly, in contrast with Clarence and George.
Anyway, I liked and if the next part is in the next issue I plan to read it.

>>563869
You're welcome.

Poetry Review

Oryx:

Hot Dusk is ok. Awkward and elementary rhyme scheme. The word choices felt simple.

Mud starts of strong and ends flat. But it is a good poem for what it seems like you where trying to do with it.

Mother is pretty flat. Is it about you wetting your bed?


I think you got a lot of talent/potential. Keep on writing. I look forward to your other poems.

Anyone who knows what's going on with the Poveglia anthology around?

>>563876
I want to hate on you more for being impatient and whiny, but cuntgoblin is awesome. Soooo... Zero sum game, bro.

Instead of complaining, what's your story, I will critique.

>>563876
I will as well, I was the one who just critiqued Preserve and Awkward, Berserk

>>563895
I worry too much about WALLOFTEXT so I tend to break it up a lot. i guess too much.
as for commas, well, i don't know, maybe I don't like them. I don't remember thinking about NOT putting them in. I'll keep it in mind
thanks c/lit/erati! hope you like the second half

>>563910

my bad on the spelling.

Fuck Freddy P. Kemp. That was shit....

shitty

>>563917
>>563876
Last chance, twat. Which one was yours?

when is the deadline for submissions for the next issue?

>>564068
Already passed. Issue 5 is now accepting submissions.
They have a huge backlog, you see.

Will they ever set specific time lengths or are they going on the basis of quantity of submissions?

It's fortnightly now, but it started out monthly and then supposedly became bimonthly.

>>564006

His essay was.

>>564124
I didn't read the essay, I only read Hookers and Blow
I hope that was a bad troll

Freddy Kemp
Philly K.
Josef K.

What the fuck, /lit/?

>>564128
IT IS A CONSPIRACY

>>564110
It's been fortnightly. Unfortunately, bimonthly (and biweekly, for good measure) has two meanings which are total opposites. It can be either every two months, or twice a month. Twice a month is the schedule.

>>564128
One of dem names is, like, previously established, n'shit.

>>564180
...

or isssss it?

OR IS IT

>>563876
>>563775
>wah wah, I want feedback
>wont say which story
>remains anonymous

Jesus christ, fagoo. You had like 3 people offering feedback if you would only say your name...

>>564189
Faaaaaairly certain.

>>564197
>they say that ignorance is bliss.. they're wrong

ah jesus, I literaly cringed. Fuck you hollywood, you don't write these goddamned books! you sholdn't get the fucking hacks at work with catchphrases!

fa/tg/uy here, I'm interested in participate with illustrations.

>>564591

We already have some amazing illustrators. We don't need your garbage.

>>564605
quiet, I'm fairly certain that this is not the case and you are in fact trolling.

you can e-mail us at zinewritersguild@gmail.com
we'd love to get some illustrations

>>564619

Please don't undermine my authority.

>>564624
>>564619
>>564605
I like where this is going.

What's ZWG IRC again? I kinda forgot

>>564619

Also if you have any grievances with me please do not air them publicly. Any conflicts within our group should be addressed to that member directly, in a private message.

>>564630
meh, a troll is a troll is a troll

if you wish to speak with real editors, just go on IRC

>>564643
Server: irc.freenode.net
Room: #ZWG

ITT ZWG goes under - like every goddamn team effort - due to tripfaggotry and ego.

You heard it here first, /lit/.

>>564646

ATT'N to our faithful readers:

DO NOT IRC with Prole. He has sent numerous IRC network trojans to various ZWG readers who wished to speak with him.

>>564744

What is this? I would like to do the same thing.

>>564747
It looks like a miracle to me, some kind of mystical gift from the heavens

best not to disturb the wonders of the unknown

>>564751

OK thanks >_>

Will someone please tell me how to block tripfags?

Google "Greasemonkey", install it to your Firefox (if you haven't already done this).


Then go http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/33916 there and download the script.

A note of advice: Doesn't work with stylish skins. (At least not the one I used to have)

>>564759

Thanks!

>>563549
Is Black Fedora even around anymore? I haven't been on /x/ for a while due to overwhelming /b/ threads, and there's nothing new on the SCP-wiki page.

"ZWG Chief Editor"

hahahaha

Can we get some better proof reading? There are grammatical errors all over the place.

Here's one from issue 3, "Falling":
>Then again, when I was I ever that strong to begin with?

>>562975
I really like it. Are you him?
Please write a book or something. It's my type of thing!

>>564591
Could you please email us, specifying what genres of stories you would be interested in illustrating? We'll get you set up with something in no time.

>>564806
he's been around, every now and then but no one posts OC on /x/ anymore, what with the rampant trolling. I don't think he's done anything new in a while.

>>564955
I am >>562975. No I am not the author, I just saw in the last thread some people didn't like the writing style.

ZWG sucks. You can tell it's all submitted by reclusive anons, because stories hardly have any dialogue, and when they do it's terrible and hackneyed. Plus, the inferior effluvia of melodrama pervades every work. Something as simple as driving down a street becomes a prolix dissertation of trite visual imagery.

Keep your shitty zine. I'll go read "Franny and Zooey".

>>565152
franny and zooey is no doubt way superior than anything published in the zine put together.

But since you have the freedom to choose, your hatred strikes me a little unjustified.

>>565152
>Plus, the inferior effluvia of melodrama pervades every work. Something as simple as driving down a street becomes a prolix dissertation of trite visual imagery.

I hope you're being deliberately hypocritical.

Why not use Tinychat?

>>565152
Although I appreciate your criticism, I wish you would be more specific with it so that the writer knows that he is making this mistake. Would you consider reading a few stories and offering your thoughts on them specifically?

>>565197
> implying he has actually read a single word from the zine

>>565197
This
Instead of bitching and moaning, why not help these poor souls improve.

> Plus, the inferior effluvia of melodrama pervades every work. Something as simple as driving down a street becomes a prolix dissertation of trite visual imagery.

dohohoohoohohoohohoho

Real ZWG thread.

http://pdfcast.org/pdf/zwg-issue-3">ZWG Issue 3

remember to vote 5 stars. :3

>>565250
oops corrected link:

http://pdfcast.org/pdf/zwg-issue-3

Aspiring writefag here. So we can submit anything within a threshold of 3000 words? Is there a minimum for the fiction section? I've got a few "quickies" lying around in my documents folder that I haven't shown to anyone.

>>565291
Feel free to send them in. Won't be put in until the 5th issue, though

>>565291
>Aspiring writer

lol

>>565299
I kno, rite?

Actually I'm on my way to becoming an engineer. But I still have hopes of getting published and being a fiction writer on the side.

>>565295

Word. I checked out the Wiki and got confused for a second. Thanks for clearing it up.

>>565306
>engineer

Good luck on being outsourced lol

>>565195

>>565443
look up in the sky
it's a bird
it's a plane

I have to agree that there needs to be better critiquing here on /lit/. It has become too common for people to simply make tier lists rather than giving constructive criticism.

I was giving it four issues before the egos of the namefags started conflicting with each other. Apparently, the culling has already begun.

>>565542
Here's an idea:

Why not have the writing staff give critique one another.

Don't expect /lit/ to give constructive criticisms; we're just here to read your shit. You should be thankful that people are at least willing to make tier lists.

Why not do this all off site?

There's been like 3 threads on the first page about you tripfags bitching at each other. Stop spamming /lit/.

>>565546
This doesn't make any sense.
The only person bitching is phil-chan, the kid whose stories were turned down because they were middle-school quality.
He then made up trips and started pretending to be one of the people setting up the zine. The zine people just told him to fuck off.
There is no internal conflict, just some butthurt kid stirring up drama, and people like you being dumb enough to fall for it.

Polite sage for stupid shit and thread that should be dead by now.

Newfag to ZWG here. Looks epic. 3rd issue downloading. Will backlog.

>>565644

They were actually rejected? lol

I haven't been around on /lit/ for a few weeks. Last time I was here was the moment that the first issue of this dropped.

The layout was horrible, there was literally zero editing done for any of the stories, and it was way too fucking long.

Has this shit gotten any better, or are you still refusing to let editors in because some kid will whine about his "masterpiece" being touched by someone else's hand?

>>565953
Take a look. Layout and editing on the last two issues were MUCH better.

>>565953
Take a look at
>>563010
>>563002
That what the zine is going to look like next time.
But it's still a bit on the long side. Turns out /lit/ has a lot of writers.

where does the photo on the cover of issue 2 come from and can i have a clean copy? It's awesome
also will a singular poem be accepted or should i write more than 1?

>>566072
They come from a creative commons account which I do not have access to. If Jake sees this thread, he would be able to give it to you.
A single poem is fine.

>>563002
You spelled "privaledge" and "happenend" wrong.

There's also tons of misplaced capitals. Please correct this before I rip my eyes out.

-------

Also an idea: Make a drawfag draw the whole cover, completely by hand. But only after you have made a digital version of it before of course.

Also here is something you maybe can put somewhere,, or not. I got a .png version as well.

>>566138
Happenend and privaledge are definitely mistakes, but the misplaced capitals seem to be intentional.

Honestly, how can the writer make mistakes like these? The thing is so short... Doesn't he read through it again? Do he not have spellchecker? I don't get it.

>>566170
There are some writers that use these so called "blank writer software" Where you only see the letters on a blank screen, nothing else. That might be the problem.

Otherwise I agree with you. Those words should be included in any spell-checker dictionary.
-------------
Also, ZWG needs more people involved.

also here is another illustration: Protip: if you look close enough, you will see it saying "LIT"

>>566225
I have a solution for the "blank writer software" bit. You guys should encourage individuals who don't have software with spellcheck to get Open Office. It's essentially a free, slightly watered-down version of Microsoft Works. It includes a writer that can read and save in numerous formats.

Link: http://www.openoffice.org/

>>566225
Interesting illustration but I have no idea what the characters, other than the overall LIT, are supposed to say oO

>>566072
There's actually a larger version than this, but it's too big to attach on 4chan. Look up Brandon Warren on Flickr.

>>566138
That's sexy. We'll be using that somewhere in the next issue.

>>566259
No problem chap. Here's a manual.

>>566266
thankee, i had a sense it was something alice related

>>566301
Chap eh ;/
I've always wanted to be called chap ;_;

>>566338
be my guest chap

Oh, hay. I didn't even know there was a second one

>>566273
Thank you anon. Here's a /lit/ bluetheme variation. It's all OC of course.

>>566338
I've always wanted to be appreciated when I call someone chap; It's destiny.

Inb4 wrong google definition:
CHAPS (formerly the Community HIV/AIDS Prevention Strategy) is a partnership of UK gay men's health promotion organisations.

PS:
(silly wikipedia spelled "organiSations" wrong here)

>>562986
>>562982
I prefer the Dylan album.

>>566411
How's your dog man?

>>566416
Gone, Long gone.

>>566422
Wasn't he locked up in one of the other stories?

>>566427
I really didn't write it thinking of a dog. I wrote it thinking of a woman Least one of you remembers it, I've been thinking of submitting my "Savage saga" for in parts for the next three issues.

>>566435
Well man, I'll read anything else you submit, you're one of the least infuriating writers in the Zine.

We need to have more controversial shit in ZWG.. how else to get Fox news to talk about it?

>>566446
WRITERS ON STEROIDS

>>566443
I try not to troll in my writing. hahaha

>>566411
That was I believe the joke, there's a couple of Bob Dylan references in there, among others.

>>566464
wut? might have to read it then, I the hell out of Dylan.

>>566450
EXPLODING VANS

>>566465
*love

There is a delete time limit now?

Lily, Rosemary and The jack of Hearts would make one hella short story.

>>566473
The story I'm writing currently is inspired by "Simple twist of fate". It's about 17 pages so far

>>566480
hmm, thats quite impressive.

What's the main target of ZWG?

For what I see in the content now, it seems as the main target is pretty narrow..

No self-help articles, no beautiful women or products. Maybe a little more sensualism and commercialism would be proper?

There's also the "Lulz News Network" from Dramatica..Maybe there could be some collaboration between ZWG and Lulz news network?

>>566480
You could probably get a good one out of Tangled Up in Blue aswell.

Fuck. forgot how epic this album is. Imma listen that shit right now.

>>566487
What's the main target of ZWG?

For what I see in the content now, it seems as the main target is pretty narrow..

No self-help articles, no beautiful women or products. Maybe a little more sensualism and commercialism would be proper?

There's also the "Lulz News Network" from Dramatica..Maybe there could be some collaboration between ZWG and Lulz news network?

>>566491
>>566485
Fucking Dylan could write a song about anything and it would be amazing.

"Now I'll cry tonight, like I cried the night before
and I'll feast on her eyes
but I'll dream about the door"

One of the best lines i've ever heard.

>>566500
Pretend this didn't happen and you could be correct.

>>566502
I pretend a lot of the 80's didn't happen to Dylan. Oh Mercy was a great album, however.

>>566487
Okay, I can answer some of this. Bear in mind however that the zine is currently in debate over core principles, so this is subject to change:

>What's the main target of ZWG?
Currently undecided, but it's essentially by writers for writers. I'd personally like it to expand into a 4chan-global publication encompassing visual/written submissions from the other boards, but this has not been decided yet.

>For what I see in the content now, it seems as the main target is pretty narrow..
you are correct. We are a niche /lit/ market at least, a niche 4chan market at best. 1000+ downloads is not too shabby

>No self-help articles, no beautiful women or products. Maybe a little more sensualism and commercialism would be proper?
t-t-t-t-trolololol. We're non-profit. Self-help is good, but this sounds like you're suggesting we begin marketing.

>There's also the "Lulz News Network" from Dramatica..Maybe there could be some collaboration between ZWG and Lulz news network?
I can suggest it, but methinks that it probably just end up in zine trolling more than anything else.

Whats up dudes

This forum rocks. Nice to be here.

Arrivederci

>>566513
I can see why the main target is hard to decide here, but it's critical for the zines success. If you want it to reach to a maximum amount of readers then this will be the single most significant determinant. This is why many publishers have several magazines and not one big magazine.

Yes I think popularistic articles are cheap too, but they have their purpose. See it as a new Playboy-ish type of zine. Where good articles meets old-fashioned sensualism and desire-ism. I'm not trolling you, I'm just stating core principles in human nature. But who knows, maybe this will evolve into something new. Your choice.

>>566553
no problem, we're always happy to hear feedback from our readers. But I want to be upfront with you and say a major reason I joined was to give myself and others a reason to write. A marketabillity aproach requires we distance the zine from what it was intended to be: a welcoming place to have fun while getting the work done. It's not a question of who "wins" or "fails" in my mind.

>>566553
Our goal right now is:
To provide a venue for writers to present their work so that they may get criticism and feedback on their strengths, weaknesses, and where they could improve most.

In achieving this goal, we realize that we need to make it pretty. People like to read things that are pretty. We are not making this pretty so that we can reach global 4chan audience, however if this happens along the way, then we would not complain. However, reaching a global 4chan audience is NOT [currently] our goal, and may be a goal that is simply beyond the practical scope of this zine. That does not mean that we are against reaching out to certain boards that may be interested in it, for example /x/, /tg/, and /co/, but this is not a global 4chan audience.
We are fine with sticking with a mostly /lit/ audience, because /lit/ has the most well read posters, and therefore the audience that can best give, and would be most interested in, giving feedback.

This is the current scope of the zine, and I doubt it will change soon. When we master simply getting all of the errors out of each issue, and settle on a visual style that is pleasing to all, and generally get our shit together, then we might consider attempting to move beyond this scope, but to do it now simply be beyond our means, and therefore self-defeating.

>>566609
hmm, and who would we be speaking with? add trip or you may be trolling

wow you people are full of yourselves.

>>566627

What would we be without our internal organs?

>>566480
>>566473
>>566465
There's a shoutout to Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts in this part. I've seen parts of the second chapter, and the line "simple twist of fate" features. Among a few other things.

He's put a hell of a lot of little references into this, there was a tally on the last thread I think.

>>566650
>I've seen parts of the second chapter
wat how
Blood on the Tracks was my favorite in this issue, I want to see part 2 NOW >:(

>>566658
Internet bros with the writer.

Don't worry, it's good stuff.

>>566650
It's too much, too conciously clever. It feels like a gimmick and not actually in support of the narrative.

>>566301
To the guy who made this:
I think that it would be better if you made the letter 'W' a different print/designthan the rest. It's nearly impossible to tell that it's 'ZWG' in its current state, unless you're _really_ looking for it.

>>566701
Funny, I didn't feel like this at all.
The references were subtle, if consciously done. The only way to tell they were very consciously done (and let's face it, aren't all references consciously done) was the sheer number of them. They were all well disguised in the story itself.

>>566701
Eh. I thought it was a really nice touch, but to each a zone.

>>566701
It didn't feel consciously clever or distracting to me. The actual line that references Dylan in this one described a machine as being decorated with flowers including lilies and rosemary, and a bit later gave its name as Jack of Hearts.

If you're familiar with the song, you go "hee, I get that", and if you don't it's just a nice detail. You don't lose anything by not getting the reference, and "Jack of Hearts" doesn't stand out as a stupid name, nor does the idea of hand-painted flowers on a machine break suspension of disbelief.

>>566720
If you don't know Dylan, it's irritating, because the references are obviously references to something.

>>566797
No, they're not.
Saying this as a Dylan newbie who had no idea they were references until they were pointed out. Maybe you read the thread and hear about the references before reads. If this is the case, it's not the writer's fault. Either way, I think you're wrong.

>>566802
Yes, my opinion of the story I just read is wrong. I see.

>>566797
No, they're not.
Saying this as a Dylan newbie who had no idea they were references until they were pointed out. Maybe you read the thread and heard about the references before reading. If this is the case, it's not the writer's fault. Either way, I think you're wrong.

>>566806
Notice I said "I think"
That means, it's my opinion that you're wrong.
Are you saying that my opinion of your opinion is wrong?
Derp

>>566811
You seem awfully defensive. Also you just deleted a post. What's going on here?

I liked it, it just has a lot of faffng around with little in jokes. If you're not on the in, it's not as amusing. Sorry that bothers you.

>>562359
How would you advise approaching a revision of Part 4 of "They win every time…"?

Mud is a nice test piece, not really publication.
Puckering hot lips
Chocolate earth sucks
Souls feet heat sun
Drip down my shirt

Hot dusk contains a turn, which you don't set up and deliver in the last line, and it isn't a "cutting" line.

Mother works as a great nursery rhyme.

"I run the paper route"
"Kieth" is commonly spelt "Keith"
"Like Johnny B. who always had a fast car and a pretty girl"
"Like Johnny B. who always rode a fast car and a pretty girl"?
Yes, "had" has the same connotations, but ride brings it out more.

ZWG Editors, can you fucking format a title?
"remember when we just held hands"?
"Neitzche" isn't a deliberate miftake
I quite like "sure of that what little" and "then but now resemble". Then but now especially, it resembles the Australian "yeah but nah but yeah".

"A product of stagnant water" is let down by its final stanza and by the failure to realise the water-semen imagery, especially in the context of an oedipul terrain.

"Song of Work" is too close to my own subject and politics; can't critique without too much effort.

"Storm a comin'" "lightning strke"? I like it, descriptions were effective. ZWG editors, can you *space* the work from the byline?

"The Noise" could do with a strict structure.
"Bedroom Talk" should have been read prior to publication for scantion.

"Annus Horribilus" starts well. Fuck you zwg editors for rendering an m-dash as a hyphen. This is a hyphen - , it is used where two-words are joined. This is an n-dash – it is used to separate clauses in one style set. This is an m-dash—it is used to separate clauses in another style set. Note that n-dashes are spaced (properly 1/2 width spaces, or 3/4 width spaces) whereas m-dashes are rendered flush or at worst hair-spaced. "Annus Horribilus" is an excellent epigram for zwg in general. Too few works have been thoroughly edited prior to revision: by their own authors.

"America #1" oh fuck you zwg editors, don't break stanzas over pages. Even if they're a chorus. "Hero's" doesn't take a possessive to indicate a plural.

Osborne might benefit from deeper imagery replacing referentiality.

>>568133

Osborne here: every poem I have submitted should be taken AS IS. The dash in "Annus Horribilius" was intended to be itself. There are reasons I broke grammatical and certain punctuation. It's all necessary for that poems construct.

Thanks for the comments though (I don't like the stanza breaks in "America" either.

>>568142
If you're going to break rules, then do it with a little more flair. Orange's and Lemon's sixteen pence a pound is familiar, and at least one referential link for incorrect use of the possessive as a plural. If you're going to reference fruit seller's English you need to work it harder. Similarly, dash breaking across lines in format with as bad typography as zwg needs more obviousness. I liked both work, the high context referentiality built up more like Burroughs descriptive accretions: I let it wash over me as a language for tone and image, rather than line by line deeper meaning, and came out feeling quite satisfied with the works. (Also, most of the scantion worked, though your stanzas shrunk towards the end of America #1, didn't seem controlled enough to be deliberate, might be something to think about if you're using changing line lengths to indicate something).

>>568152

The "hero's" thing in "America" actually WAS an oversight by me: my mistake. Honestly, it's one of my least favorite poems I've written. I don't dislike it; just a bit "cool" to me.

Other than that, the structure of my poems is probably the most deliberate thing ((((how your eyes work on the page, how every individual line functions, every single word must have a purpose))))

Good job, /lit/.

Some of this was quite good.

Personally, I like Song of Work more than Storm a Comin'. Just thought that I should get it out.

This thread should die already, time for a new one.

>>568844
Why? Not at bump limit yet...

>>566797
It wasn't at all obvious to me until they were pointed out. I got "Donnerkind" and "Merkava" instantly but I'm another Dylan newfag, so while "Lily, Rosemary" was wasted on me it didn't stand out as distracting.

Also, I don't think anyone's commented on this one yet, but "Salem" is described as moving on legs - probably not a coincidence.

>>569077
Forgot my picture, derp.

(Salem class destroyer from Supreme Commander, ship that can deploy legs and walk for those not up with the /v/idya.)

>>569081
See, I wouldn't have got that at all if it wasn't pointed out to me, and the name fit so it wasn't obviously a reference, but I still think that's kind of cool.

Unless it's a coincidence. We run the risk of second-guessing the author a lot here ("weather to fly" like was posted on the last thread, for instance. That I think is a coincidence.)

I saw you guy were two days ago on /tg/ how that went?

>>570581
fine, I think. we had a couple of /tg/ writers submit stories.

we would like to put a call out for reviews for stories in this issue. please, please, send a review in. we're going to try to set up a reviews section for the next issue, but we need your help.

>>570648
what are you looking for regarding reviews? something short, something in-depth?

>>570685
Although you're welcome to go into whatever depth you might like, I suggest aiming for a short review hitting on the main shortcomings you see in a story. Seriously, try to focus on the negative; most writers would rather hear how they could improve rather than how good their story is, though it can also be useful to know what your strengths are so that you can use them better.

I would shoot for 2 paragraphs tops.

I think we'll also snag a few of the best reviews from this thread and put them in credited to anonymous.

>>570731
I'll thank you not to violate my copyright.

>>571307
wat

>>571344
>All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.

I do not give zwg permission to reproduce my works as "Anonymous" in their zine.

>>571351

We absolutely WILL NOT take comments from threads and publish them in the Zine. The Anon. who posted earlier is talking out of their ass.

>>571356
Although we're not planning on taking reviews from posts due to the copyright issues mentioned before, I would like to point out that this person is not actually part of ZWG. What he says should not be trusted.
http://zinewritersguild.wikia.com/wiki/The_Editors

>>571393

Of course I'm not listed there since I was contracted to do editorial work for your Zine.

>>571393
Glad to know you're all sane :)

I thinking on doing a saga using the concepts of The Holders with some characters searching for them. Long, way out of the style of he originals, maybe a lot of characters gathering through the story.

People will kill me after sending that or I should keep going?

>>571462
Write it as a journal. Take the Holders tale as your canon, but I think the idea of a Seeker going progressively mad will be win.

>>571477
I'm thinking on having the story of a main character and a sort of antagonist, both going on different ways, and adding more characters on the go, maybe showcasing secondary characters in every story foreshadowing future encounters or happenings...

Still collecting the info, making an overall arc (that can be fucking long) and choosing which ones to use and which ones will be already collected and by who.

>>571480
I think it's a little ambitious, how about something more like 'isolated episodes interconnected'?

>>571487
Mh...
If it is too much for me I'll just make sure to have a really good cliff hanger, so the hate will be washed for the resolution of it after a long time away.

I was thinking on placing it with already a lot of the items collected by other people, the main character, his family, the antagonist, minor characters, and people demised.
Also, having at least three or four holders in each presentation.

Should I assume that people know the most characteristic holders? I ask for understanding the story but also to leave open stuff that would fuck me if they already know...

>>571507
I think people only know Holder of the End, Holder of Silence, and maybe two more.

>>571549
Great, Twins-Work are sort of vital for the mechanic of two characters and Everything is sort of my favorite because of the location.

>>571356
>>571396
Christ, not this faggot again.

>>566710
>to each a zone
...I see what you did there.

Hey cockfags, should i release my novel in progress in small pieces in ZWG?

>>571853
They love serials. So yes.

Issue deadlines may also provide a good motivation to write.

bumpng for any more fiction criticism?

>>571853

Not if you plan on publishing it for reallios.

>>573531
Nothing ever put in the zine will be published. For a varity of reasons.

>>574944
I'm ok with a free zine. It's pretty much like writing writefaggotry on the chans.

>>576389

Your disapproval only makes my penis harder.

>>576396
Disapproval? Where?

ITT: Wat

isn't this thread like a week old? at least?

>>576934
Yeah, I thought this had already been 404'd.

Polite sage, etc. etc.