/lit/ - Literature

Zoe Kravitz is so hot.

>>5631911

I do, yeah.

>>5631911
>>http://www.newstatesman.com/2014/03/no-wonder-teens-love-stories-about-dystopian-futures-they-feel-they-re-heading-one

"Sparkly chauvinist vampires are finally falling out of fashion, with “supernatural romance” giving way to “horrific post-apocalypse dictatorship” as the main refrain of young adult literature. The Hunger Games, thankfully, has killed Twilight. It elbowed aside wilting reactionary female leads literally dying to be abducted by floppy-haired, cold-blooded aristocrats in favour of badass heroines shooting arrows through the heart of post-capitalist patriarchy."

Oh, you go girl.

>>5631911

>They are escapist only in that they allow for the possibility of resistance

Bleak as fuck

>>5631936
Go to bed, Penny.

>>5631936
i really wish she'd kill herself.

btw im a girl so it's not misogyny :^)

>>5631936
>It elbowed aside wilting reactionary female leads literally dying to be abducted by floppy-haired, cold-blooded aristocrats in favour of badass heroines shooting arrows through the heart of post-capitalist patriarchy.

different kinds of masturbation...

>>5631981

the point is contextual awareness, kitty.

>>5631936
she forgets the part where the heroine contributes next to nothing other than being a bitch.
it's the common divisor in all this girl-power YS

>>5631911
>Young adult books (and films) are part of a relatively new genre and they speak to the young adult inside us all

Let me translate: it's juvenile escapism for retards who feel bad when they have to use their brains.

>>5632003
At least it's realistic.

>>5631911
>overmighty state power
>in the USA
>muh OWS

kek

>>5632003
>being a bitch
>>J'aurais dû deviner sa tendresse derrière ses pauvres ruses. Les fleurs sont si contradictoires!
:3
i wonder how saint-exupery wasn't blamed to be sexist yet
>>J'aurais dû ne pas l'écouter, me confia-t-il un jour, il ne faut jamais écouter les fleurs. Il faut les regarder et les respirer.

>>5632000
different kinds for different people

>>5632026

This was maybe the point of reference for the first post you've quoted:
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/04/whats_wrong_with_the_hunger_ga_1.html

And for the little prince it's obvious he's talking about actual flowers

>>5632007
>it's juvenile escapism
The point of the article is that juveniles relate to dystopian YA novels with heroins battling an oppressive state because our post-fordian capitalist society, and stale consumerist lifestyles within it, has stagnated to a point where we want a radical social overhaul.

>>5632079
That's dumber than the YA novels themselves.

>>5632037
i dunno, my guilty pleasure books it's poorly written heroic fantasy and space operas, to each their own

>he's talking about actual flowers
>>Et elle, qui avait travaillé avec tant de précision, dit en bâillant:
>>—Ah! Je me réveille à peine... Je vous demande pardon... Je suis encore toute décoiffée...

sure :3

>>5632079
juveniles were after a revolt since like forever

>>5632089
>juveniles were after a revolt since like forever
Juveniles are revolting.

>Reading books through a Marxist lens, and concluding that le capitalism is awful
>Claiming that the readers relate to the book because le capitalism is awful

Fucking communists.

>>5632100

but le capitalism IS awful

>>5631911
Why should something targeted at a younger audience be stupid?
YA speaks to the self indulgent idiot in every one of us, that part of you that makes you watch porn and fap when you should be doing something to improve your life.

>>5632171
"I'm portrayed as quite a masculine man - I sport a beard, I smoke a cigars, I even took a lame doberman behind a coal shed and shot him without a grimace, but when I first beheld the unrivaled perfection of a capitalist economic system, when first I saw the breathtaking beauty of free men engaged in free trade, I wept like a little girl for having found something so magnificent."

-- Hemmingway

>>5631936
>post-capitalist patriarchy.
Are these people serious?

>>5632015
>implying the US isn't slowly heading towards a police state
>what are PRISM, Patriot Act, NDAA2011, militarization of police, the "war on terror"/"war on drugs"
kek

>>5632200
Too bad we don't have a patriarchy.
Things would be so much better.

>>5632196
>implying that's a real quote
Also,
>free trade
>in a capitalist system
No.

>>5632200
That's the world in which The Hunger Games take place, though, even if the term sounds retarded.

>>5632196
"90% of the quotes one finds on the Internet are fake"

-- Vlad I. Lenin

>>5632206
>even if the term sounds retarded.
Does the author ever elaborate on what the term means? What's "post capitalism", is it communism? If so, why aren't they all cheering (SJW:s love communism)?

>>5632204
>Too bad we don't have a patriarchy.
0/10

>>5632206
...what makes it "post-capitalist"?

She's right.

>>5632215
>Does the author ever elaborate on what the term means?
Just hints at the "collapse of civilization:"

...shooting arrows through the heart of post-capitalist patriarchy. What would Katniss Everdeen do with Edward Cullen? The creepy love interest of the Twilight novels would surely find himself staked out at the gates of Panem as a warning about what happens when entitled nobility oversteps itself.

The themes of Divergent, the debut novel of the 25-year-old American author Veronica Roth, are no less exciting for being familiar. A courageous but flawed young girl finds herself at odds with a repressive oligarchy established after an earlier collapse of civilisation. She must fight for her survival and that of her people. Along the way, there’s some smooching, moral turpitude and buckets and buckets of blood.

Today’s teens love stories about dystopia and they have plenty of appetite for more. Readers are already eagerly anticipating the next instalment of Samantha Shannon’s The Bone Season, starring yet another complex, challenging female lead who is more afraid of her government than any monster. Shannon was a teenager when she began writing it. Veronica Roth was 22 when Divergent was released. That these books are febrile and replete with the rhetorical simplicity of a teenage manifesto only makes their message more compelling

>>5632219
It's a centralized feudal system build on fascist morality, which doesn't invest capital in most facets of production, it doesn't even market or sell products the vast majority of the populace.

The only way you could consider it 'capitalist' is if you fucked the butthole of the word broad enough to mean any system other than socialism or communism.

>>5632227
>That these books are febrile and replete with the rhetorical simplicity of a teenage manifesto only makes their message more compelling

This is an actual sentence written by a human being.

I want to kill myself.

Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind is the best apocalyptic story set in a post-capitalist patriarchy with a female lead.

>>5632227
>Just hints at the "collapse of civilization:"
That doesn't tell us anything of value.

>>5632230

I was thinking 'neo-feudalist' or something would have been better.

>>5632232
Try reading slowly and asking an adult to help you with the big words.

>>5631911
The last bit of that article is fucking gold:

"Slavoj Žižek, every hipster’s favourite communist philosopher, once opined: “It’s easy to imagine the end of the world . . . but we cannot imagine the end of capitalism.” I’m not sure that’s true any longer. I suspect that young people today are gradually beginning to imagine what the end of capitalism as we know it might look like – and while it might be exciting, it won’t be a lot of fun and might require some weapons training."

>>5632248
Is he dubiously bashing communism here, or am I missing something?

>>5632256

Communism isn't just gonna neatly come right after capitalism collapses.

>>5632258
>Communism isn't just gonna neatly come right after capitalism collapses.
It's never going to come, atleast not until we have infinite energy (think fusion power) and infinite amounts of food/shelter as a result.

Communism with restricted resources always ends up in a despot taking over, with even less freedom than before (remember that Marx advocated for the eradication of the state, but this isn't possible as long as there is incentive for the revolutionaries to benefit from their power grab, and this incentive will gradually be lost once we move onto more advanced forms of energy-production and industrial production).

>>5632256
>he
It's a Laurie Penny article

>>5632266
>atleast not until we have infinite energy
We have solar power, wind turbines, hydro-electric power...
>and infinite amounts of food/shelter as a result.
We don't need infinite amounts, we need adequate amounts. If everybody has eaten, then why do we need an infinite surplus?

>>5632271
>implying SHE was quoted
I obviously referred to the Zizek quote.

>>5632266
>atleast not until we have infinite energy (think fusion power)

We have a bit of a long-term sustainability issue with that, though. All forms of energy production introduce heat to the Earth. Given how consumption tends to expand in line with supply, I'm not sure infinite energy is a good idea.

>>5632279

cos im hungry lol

>>5632279
>We have solar power, wind turbines, hydro-electric power...
With current tech, not nearly enough power for our needs, and I doubt most people want to regress in our consumerist advancement.

>We don't need infinite amounts, we need adequate amounts.
We do not have adequate amounts yet.

>>5632227
>complex, challenging female lead

But it wouldn't be called YA if it had that

>>5632287
>We have a bit of a long-term sustainability issue with that, though
Not really. Enough tritium/deuterium on this planet to last for billions of years once we get fusion working.

>All forms of energy production introduce heat to the Earth.
And it dissipates, not a problem.

>Given how consumption tends to expand in line with supply, I'm not sure infinite energy is a good idea.
If you're worrying about global warming, that's not an actual problem, what's more of a problem is the toxic waste created by industry/vehicles of all kinds.

>>5632240
That's not quite right since feudalism by definition is not centralized. The rulers are also not aristocrats in the classical sense, but a sort of outgrowth of the media industry allied with the police, they're fascist entertainers.

>>5632291
>>5632279
You operate under the delusion that people care about absolute levels of wealth. They do not. Above subsistence levels, all that matters is relative wealth. This stuff has been extremely strongly established since Easterlin's work in the 70s. There is not, and will never be, such a thing as "adequate".

>>5632298
>tritium/deuterium

That's not the kind of sustainability I'm talking about.

>And it dissipates, not a problem.

No, it really is a problem. Dissipation into space is an extremely slow process.

What's it called when you oppose the advertising industry completely

Like no advertising

>>5632309

Sure. And a lot of neo-noir is shot in colour.

>>5632309

"Being 15"

>>5632308
>No, it really is a problem.
Not at the current rate of dissipation.

>>5632311
>Sure. And a lot of neo-noir is shot in colour.

Bleh, this was for >>5632303, obviously.

fuck that. some 16 yo mcdonald's princess isn't going to see how her fastfood job alienates her and changes how she thinks after watching the cute guys in a scifi film and want to collectivize with the other kids on night shift.


or is she?

>>5632314

What is that rate?

>>5632307
>You operate under the delusion that people care about absolute levels of wealth
Where do I do this? Please point it out, I'm >>5632291
by the way.

>There is not, and will never be, such a thing as "adequate".
Sure there will be. When there is infinite energy, there is no point in trying to gain power with the intention of resource-grabbing (the principal reason behind communism failing, the new leaders got greedy and wanted a bigger share of the cake).

With practically infinite energy (and as a result infinite capacity for food production/industrial production), the cake is nearly infinitely big, thus no need for infighting over resources.

>>5632317

The Cold War has a lot to answer for. You'd think there was a menu of exactly two politico-economic models.

>>5632318
>What is that rate?
I don't know, ask a scientist involved with climate change.

I'm not well read on the subject but I'm knowledgeable enough to know that the differences in temperatures aren't that big, and that history proves similar changes have happened entirely without us polluting our surroundings.

>>5632307
>There is not, and will never be, such a thing as "adequate".

Adequate was said in relation to food supplies. Capitalists aren't stupid enough to waste their capital on stockpiling products that perish rapidly.

>>5632311


Wouldn't it be better if people were just given a list of products and their exact details rather than being sold a dressed up version of them? So that people could actually be the rational actors our economic system currently pretends they are?

how do you become a capitalist? I know we all hate them, but do you think any of us are smart or lucky enough to become one?

>>5632320

I think you mean

>the media

has a lot to answer for

>>5632328
>how do you become a capitalist?
Hoard wealth and use wage labor to maximize the wealth accumulation.

>>5632324
no because baudrillard.

it would be interesting to see what percentage of products are bought for their actual use, and what are bought for their idea/identity that is within them for us to create an identity when we have so few other sources of finding identities.

>>5632317
>some 16 yo mcdonald's princess isn't going to see how her fastfood job alienates her

Oh, she will. Have you seen tumblr? hundreds of thousands of alienated teenage girls eager to latch on to some kind of movement.

>>5632321
>I don't know

So when you said the present dissipation rate would not be problematic should unlimited energy arrive, you were... guessing?

>>5632218

this

>>5632202

>PRISM

>more like prison

Amirite

Oh man can we please get some socialist realism YA novels that would win over teens?

>>5632337
Did you miss this part?
>I'm knowledgeable enough to know that the differences in temperatures aren't that big, and that history proves similar changes have happened entirely without us polluting our surroundings.

>>5632324
>Wouldn't it be better if people were just given a list of products and their exact details rather than being sold a dressed up version of them?

On the long, long list of things that would be better if, this is very low down both in terms of how much better it would be and how achievable it is.

But yeah, sure, it would totally be better.

>>5632335

that would indeed be interesting. care to elaborate on the baudrillard thing though? haven't read anything by him

>>5632341
right on m8ey

>>5632332

No, I mean the Cold War.

>>5632328
>how do you become a capitalist?

>>5632344


alright. good to know i'm not just ignorant of some intrinsically Good or beneficial quality of advertising then

>>5632343

So you segued into talking about global warming due to fossil fuels, an entirely unrelated point? I'm honestly confused.

>>5632354
>an entirely unrelated point?
How is global warming unrelated to heat dissipation problems?

>>5632336
but right now it feels to me like the same kind of gentle liberal movements kids have always been into. it used to be anti-racist pro-cultural in the 1990s, anti-consumerist in the 80s, and now liberal feminism/lgbtq

how do you get them to start being fully radicalized?

>>5632319

>infinite cake

wow

>>5632356

Global warming due to fossil fuels is quite unrelated to global warming due to superabundant energy (no matter how clean).

The first is an issue of clogging the heat-sink. The second is simply brute-force overheating. I don't think you're seeing the massive, singularity-like leap in energy consumption that I think would inevitably follow any 'unlimited energy' breakthrough.

>>5632363
>wow
What seems to be the problem? Do you not believe that fusion power or vastly more efficient solar power are possible?

>>5632367

all i believe in now is an infinite cake.

>>5632346
they are being rational actors for the symbolic meanings they want out of the products they choose and marketing informs this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baudrillard#The_object_value_system

>>5632364
>singularity-like leap in energy consumption that I think would inevitably follow any 'unlimited energy' breakthrough.
Why would we suddenly use massively more energy if we got what is practically an infinite supply of it? That is where your argument falls flat.

>>5632374
>they are being rational actors
Yeah, no, they aren't. Marketing exists to override your sense of rationality in an attempt to woo you into buying shit you don't need, it's basically what your whole consumerist society is based on.

>>5632374

Wouldn't it be just as reasonable to call them manipulate actors?

Rational seems like an infinitely malleable term and thus a meaningless one

>>5632374

>>5632079
juveniles relate to life being something other than mundane day to day routine with a vacation once every few years to some tourist trap resort in some shit third world country surrounded by sad pricks just like you.

>>5632381
goddamit america

>>5632381

>mfw I'm vegan

It's an excited face

>>5632376
they are rationally buying into objects that send the message they want to send to others. so consumerism is always social and a community process (not an individualist thing strictly). It only works in relation to others.

what is not rational is that marketing completely creates these meanings and they do not really exist or they are copies of something that once existed, so authenticity becomes confused.

>>5632378
im thinking really simple here, just like, a kid buys a skateboard tshirt cause he wants other kids to know he is into that.

>>5632396
>mfw people are vegan
>mfw faggot hipster jean too tight vegan pricks can't hang out with me and my friends who the vegans hang around
>mfw everywhere we go they have to order salad with nothing cause plants feel pain too
>mfw they get sick of not being catered to their special retarded diet
>mfw vegan fag tried to kill himself because no one gave a shit that he was vegan

>>5632376
>Marketing exists to override your sense of rationality in an attempt to woo you into buying shit you don't need.

I'm still amazed at the concept of veblen goods. Make 3 virtually identical products, price one at $6.99, one at $7.99, and one at $99, and a significant amount of people will by the $99 one just because it must be superior.

>>5632401
furthermore it now costs money, and you rely on marketers and capitalism as one of the few ways to create your identity. and everyone in the west loves an identity. but you have to buy your identity. so capital found a way to monetize identity.

>>5632401

I getcha.But it seems to me like advertising produces an environment where people can only be rational as per the rules of some collective consumerist delusion. Everyone that (literally!) buys into into it is insane

>>5632413
absolutely. and that is when i start thinking about how nothing is real any more, and only a simulation or a copy

>>5632406

>mfw i restrict my diet greatly out of concern for the suffering of other living creatures

>mfw people tell me i'm a retarded special who is only doing it to inform his identity

And this is where I stop posting

PS I eat plants

>>5632375
>Why would we suddenly use massively more energy if we got what is practically an infinite supply of it?

Like I said in my first post on the subject, historically, demand for energy has grown in line with our capacity to supply it. Like that law where work expands to fill the time available to do it in.

Every time our ability to supply energy has increased, so too has our demand for it. So the scenario you envision - where we just safely and responsibly bottom out - is actually the one that needs justifying, imo.

>>5632418

welp

>>5632411

>capitalising identity

See: social media

>>5632423
>having concern for the suffering of other living creatures

>having that concern and actually changing

And this is where I know that you are natures failure.

>>5632427
yeah but maybe a nice product still exists behind a lot of the stuff that can make you feel good. things still taste good, things still are beautifully and skillfully designed. or just dont buy anything and read books

>>5632423
>mfw I only buy eggs of caged hens and beef of caged cows because their suffering makes them more delicious than free range.

>>5632431
anyone know any articles on 'medium is the message' in terms of social media?

>>5632423
vegans ruined it for you dude, with their world famous sense of outrage, entitlement, and smugness, you get roped into all that when you sign up.

>>5632450

I wrote an essay about it on muh blog

http://avatofacid.com/2014/09/15/the-happy-people-market/

The second half is most related to what you asked for

For some reason I feel guilty posting it here so I apologise in advance

thanks

>>5632319
That's not why communism failed...Where do you even get that from? If anything the Soviet system collapsed due to nationalism and the cold war.

>>5632316
It's a functionally different system, since capital is enormously invested in production of media in the ay that it is in capitalism, especially marketing, it plays a central role in the culture, economy, and even value system.

>>5632518
And to say movies like Pulp Fiction are just colorized film noir is very misleading, the similarities are only superficial.

>>5632518
>It's a functionally different system

I would say the similarities outweigh the differences.

>>5632521
>And to say movies like Pulp Fiction are just colorized film noir is very misleading

Who said anything about Pulp Fiction? I'm talking more Blood Simple, U-Turn, that kind of thing. And yeah, obviously there are differences. Otherwise the prefix would be superfluous.

>>5632423
Veganism is a mental disorder

go to /ck/ so everyone can laugh at you there

>>5632531
>I would say the similarities outweigh the differences.
I don't think so. Feudalism is dependent on decentralization, that state is dependent on centralization. That's like saying the USSR with the party was politically the same as the Greek city state system just because most people were slaves ruled by a few 'real' citizens.

I also think it's ridiculous that you blithely dismiss marketing's and media's economic importance, especially as something invested in and produced. It is the core of the system of contemporary capitalism, it is vital part our economic system, and it was never a part of feudalism. Feudalism is completely about divine ordination and oaths of fealty, it's not about selling the state and oppression as a product.

>Who said anything about Pulp Fiction? I'm talking more Blood Simple, U-Turn, that kind of thing.
So you're talking about films that consciously emulate noir and follow noir conventions because they're noir conventions. Neo-feudalism by that definition would seek to emulate feudalism out of admiration for feudalism as an ideal system.

>>5632556
>politically the same

Straw man.

>blithely dismiss marketing's and media's economic importance

I forget the name for this one.

>Neo-feudalism by that definition

More straw. I never offered a 'definition'.

Clearly, further discussion with you will not be productive.

>>5632215
>haven't got a slightest clue of what the term means
>"wow this is so stupid are these people serious???"

classic

>>5631911
>Laurie Penny

Stopped reading there

>>5632003
>Tfw YA encourages the female victim complex

>>5632689
>the female victim complex is encouraged by having courageous independent female protagonists.

>>5632697
Not that anon.
Victim complex is fed by reading about how you must fight the whole world to triumph. It's the same thing with teen males and male characters, like HP.

>>5631922
>Zoe Kravitz is so hot.
Hells yes.

>>5632889
>Zoe Kravitz
The actor who plays Karl Drogo is her stepdad.
Her real dad, Lenny Kravitz, starred in the YA movie Hunger Games
She starred in the YA movie Divergent

The entire family is supporting shit book-to screen adaptations.

>>5632927
>Karl Drogo

lol

I have to ask, how is stuff like Thomas Pynchon any better than YA? I enjoy it more, but despite their good prose and high entertainment, they're largely books of absurd situations, wacky characters, and no real lessons. Even though I enjoy it, I don't feel like Against The Day is bettering me any more than Harry Potter would.

>>5633143
Wow so you read entire thomas pynchon books without learning anything at all and you think this has anything to do with him

>>5632927
That explains the man jaw

0/10 gender queer faggotry

>>5633149
Well sure, I learn literary techniques, discover a few pop culture references and pick up snippets of history, but I could probably just watch TV or read a history book for far more efficient studies of the latter two.

>>5631911
i propose Neon Genesis Evangelion an alternative to the entire YA genre

>>5632927
>divergent has a movie
Well, I'm glad that I hadn't heard about it. I hope this is the end of YA movie adaptations just like superhero flicks are starting to go away. There has been more sci-fi schlock this year than the three years before this together, so there might be some cool stuff comming.

>>5632215
the irony is, that like capitalism itself, you are simply supposed to assume the term exists, must exist, and has always existed, in order for it to continue to function.

>>5633164
M8 like half of gravity's rainbow concerns imperialism as do portions of V.

>>5632243
he knows what it means you fucking mong. it's the fact that the author believes what she's saying that is horrifying.

>>5632234
Truth

>>5633218
Right, I guess I won't imperialize a country next time I get the chance. It took a book to teach my why it's wrong.

>>5633267
I like how you're continuing to attempt to defend your fucking retarded statement even though engaging me has already nullified your original point. You are too stupid to bother reading Pynchon if this is your general though process and probably contribute a lot of the shitposting.

>>5633282
Explain to me then

No one ever explains

>>5633708
>Explain to me then

.... What? What are you even saying dude? Do you think there is some "answer" to "getting" him? I'm saying if you're going to assert he's basically YA and then keep arguing that fact while not even realizing you have already conceeded your original point immediately you are an idiot. There are things he wants you to think about and connections you are supposed to make from reading his stuff, I'm saying from the evidence here you probably suck at doing so. Asking me to "explain it" just further drives home the point that you don't have a clue.

Its an easy target. There's nothing teen girls are going to read that will satisfy any thinking person.

>>5632425
> historically, demand for energy has grown in line with our capacity to supply it.
History does not predict the future.

>So the scenario you envision - where we just safely and responsibly bottom out - is actually the one that needs justifying, imo.
Not really, since there are only a limited amounts to use that excess energy. The only "problem" would be that a few billion third worlders could get access to it too, thus increasing our total energy output, but us westerners wouldn't suddenly use 10x the energy we do today, there is no explanation for that kind of thought (that which you seem to believe in).

>>5632506
>That's not why communism failed
Sure it was. The idea of communism rests on removing the state, but it turned into just another despot-ruled authoritarian system because people got greedy (as always) and people at the top then amassed the limited resources into their own hands.

>Where do you even get that from?
From using my brain.

>If anything the Soviet system collapsed due to nationalism and the cold war.
There should be no nationalism in communism in the first place, and the cold war was a result of what I mentioned above (authoritarian despots, a.k.a. the revolutionaries, taking control and then puppeteering the people just like the Tsar did, only with a little more brutal methods).

>>5632633
>classic
Please define post-capitalism for me then, you fucking narcissist. Oh wait, you can't, because it's not something we've ever actually reached, so it could be anything.

>>5633214
>you are simply supposed to assume the term exists, must exist, and has always existed, in order for it to continue to function.
But that's a false statement, capitalism functions because we have states that guarantee property rights and thus enable wage-labor and capital accumulation.

>>5632375
>why would everyone get fat if the food supply bubbled

>>5634378
Getting fat and using more energy are not at all comparable. Or do you think people will start driving their gas-guzzlers in circles for hours on end if they have unlimited gas? Didn't think so, your analogy is very badly thought out.

>>5634390
yes, because i said in my post "people will start driving their gas-guzzlers in circles for hours on end". does your imagination stop working when someone presents an idea counter to yours?

>>5634396
>does your imagination stop working when someone presents an idea counter to yours?
Are you intellectually challenged or why do you not understand how increasing the energy supply cannot magically lead to people suddenly using a lot more energy?

It's not comparable to food.

>>5634402
not that guy but you're fucking retarded

Increasing the energy supply decreases prices, yes? Yes. This is basic economics. Decreased prices may not mean everybody's going to start driving a whole lot more because they can, but direct consumption of energy is not the only way we use energy. Decreasing the price of energy decreases the price of any and all goods for which energy is a cost (i.e. literally anything that requires transportation outside of bicycling distance). That will increase consumption of those products, and increase consumption of energy.

>>5634413
an analogous situation is corn

we subsidized the shit out of corn and decreased prices. did everybody start eating a shitload of corn on the cob? no, but consumption of corn byproducts and products whose prices could be decreased by using corn skyrocketed

>>5634413
>>5634421
not to mention what will happen when international or even interplanetary travel becomes cheap enough for the masses

>>5634438
shut up michio

>>5632423
>>mfw i restrict my diet greatly out of concern for the suffering of other living creatures


but plants are living creatures...

better to just accept that every species must feed off another.

>>5631936
holy shit she looks exactly like the lightning girl from that avatar cartoon

>>5634421
they did not have corn at that time in the Roman Empire, it was only in the New World

>>5634367
you're wrong

>They are escapist only in that they allow for the possibility of resistance.
jesus fucking christ

>>5632309
sut jhallyism

>they speak to the young adult inside us all
No there is no young adult inside of me, I hate youth.
>the part whose identity is yet unformed
My identity is fully formed, I'm a Transcendental Idealist.
>full of rage
Rage implies sincerity. which I have none of.
>fear
Of what?
>longing
Of what?
>which is fine, because they’re not designed to be.
No it's not, it's printed poison.
>The new teen dystopias are profoundly romantic
Clichés and overused character types written in vulgar language are not romantic.
>Don’t we all?
No.
>"remember who the real enemy is”
Badly written trash?

>>5633200
O-ho, fuck no.

You want to foster an entire generation of passive, miserable, self-absorbed little whingers who blame all their problems on everyone else?


....even moreso?

>>5632079
>has stagnated to a point where we want a radical social overhaul.
This belief has been held by every youth movement ever.

kids don't read young adult novels because they feel like they're in a dystopian world

they read young adult novels because they're easy as shit

>>5632506
>and the cold war.
Cold War prolonged the USSR's life.

>>5632401
>they are rationally buying into objects that send the message they want to send to others. so consumerism is always social and a community process (not an individualist thing strictly). It only works in relation to others.

>mfw I buy anime figurines despite knowing that this would be social suicide if anyone found out

Explain that

>>5635649
The whole point of the NGE is to show why all that shit is bad and that's how Shinji fucks everything up in the end and needs to connect with people and shut up and shit. I mean, I guess the teens probably wouldn't get that but ya never know

>>5635789
Exception to the rule.

>>5635796
You've obviously never been to Evageeks.org, then. Those guys have completely internalised Anno's bogus 'message' and understand the series better than almost anyone else.

And it's done absolutely fuck-all to improve their lives in any aspect whatsoever.

>Laurie Penny being familiar with Crimethinc.
Why am I not surprised, both take social movements and subvert them into hobbies for bored teens.

>>5635789
Perhaps you have been convinced that anime figures will replace your already-crippled social life, despite them being cold objects whose only solace exists in the knowledge that they will live on when you are dead.

>>5635831
>anime figures will replace your already-crippled social life

I have a girlfriend and multiple friends at college (though I'm not close enough with any of them to spend time with them outside class really).

>>5635838
How does your girlfriend not know about them?

>>5635838
>though I'm not close enough with any of them to spend time with them outside class really
Then how the fuck did you get a gf?
Wait, fuck I would be in your position if a few of my long-time friends didn't go to the same uni as me.

>>5635842
>How does your girlfriend not know about them?

She does, family and friends don't though and would think I was really weird if they did.

>>5635843
>Then how the fuck did you get a gf?

Girl I met in high school and started dating the summer after I graduated. I used to be kind of awkward around girls but now I think I could probably get another gf fairly easily if anything after happened between me and my current gf.

>>5635812
Evangelion preaches limp-wristed, intellectually dishonest ideas of 'self-acceptance' and 'understanding each other' that more-than-often discourage proactive self-improvement and direct conflict/confrontation with those that have wronged or mistreated you.

It's really just another form of professional victimhood. You can sit there and whine about how sad you are and how terrible and depressing your life is, but because you're too much of a weak-willed pussy to strike out on your own and actively try and change it for the better, you can just blame everyone else around you for feeling the way you do.

After all, you're so goddamn afraid of being hated or rejected by others (even if it is for purely selfish, irrational and fucked-up reasons), you'd rather stay right where you are and secretly relish the comfortable role you've unknowingly cast yourself in than act like an adult and simply GROW THE FUCK UP.

>>>5632506
soviet union collapsed due to economic reasons, due to terrible inefficiency of the planned economy
read 'moscow-petushki' for instance, how the main hero worked laying cable

>In the morning we’d sit down and play blackjack for money. Then we’d get up and unwind a drum of cable and put the cable underground. And then we’d sit down and everyone would take his leisure in his own way. Everyone, after all, has his own dream and temperament. One of us drank vermouth, somebody else–a simpler soul–some Freshen-Up eau de cologne, and somebody else more pretentious would drink cognac…Then we’d go sleep.

>First thing next morning, we’d sit around drinking vermouth. Then we’d get up and pull yesterday’s cable out of the ground and throw it away, since naturally, it had gotten all wet. And then what? Then we’d sit down to blackjack for money. And we’d go to sleep without finishing the game.

>In the morning, we’d wake each other up early. “Lekha, get up. Time to play blackjack.” “Stasik, get up and let’s finish the game.” We’d get up and finish the game. And then, before light, before sunrise, before drinking Freshen-Up or vermouth, we’d grab a drum of cable and start to reel it out, so that by the next day it would get wet and become useless. And, so, then, each to each his own, for each has his own ideals. And so everything would start over again.

>>5633213
>>divergent has a movie
>Well, I'm glad that I hadn't heard about it.
OP's pic is from divergent. The lead actress is also lead actress in The Fault In Our Stars movie.

>>5635856

shinji is the villain my dude.

>>5635649
>>5635796
>>5635812
>>5635856

do you plebes even understand WHY i proposed NGE as an alternative? the real champion of NGE is asuka; when viewed through this lens the series is a perfect parallel to and improvement over YAF.

>>5632234
I would agree if Nausicaa herself was not the nature loving Goddess sue archetype she is.

>>5632266
>infinite energy
The lack of this is exactly why Capitalism cannot simply continue for that much longer and a switch to methods or organisation that recognize this is needed. There's no reason why communism needs to be implemented only in a resource lacking power vacuum anyway.

>>5632423
Don't worry man. There are plenty of retards who convince themselves they're 'more manly' than you despite that they don't have the discipline to give a shit and are too pussy to kill things themselves and deal with what that entails. You're better of eating some meat occasionally, if only to prove to these people that they're the ones who're up themselves. That way more people will be convinced that its not faggy bullshit.

>>5635649
>>5635796
>>5635812
>>5635856
>>5635985
This is why I hate Eva. It really offers nothing positive with any substance, the few aspects it has that deal with overcoming anything are so superficial and shallow, if not outright comical, that there is nothing worthwhile to take from them.

I'd much rather people see something like Sailor Moon (no, Madonka doesn't count).

>>5636099
people discount what the characters actually endure because of the comic relief (and also because of how thoroughly the fanbase has raped the series) and i think thats where that feeling of cheapness comes from.

>>5633734
Youtube generation
teens that think literally every asnwer is a google search away and that asking for help means dictating their lives for them

>>5635577
*tips fedora*

I like YA
It shows that people are thirsty for books and stories still

>>5636497
But lovers of books reading YA is akin to film aficionados watching Hannah Montana.

They make for pretty good movies when they eventually get adapted.

>>5636492
Epic.

>>5631936
Christ, I was at Millbank when that minor shitstorm occurred, and I got no overwhelming epiphany that the state apparatus had come falling down. All it was, was some angry young people smashing windows and setting fire to effigies.

>>5631911
Young Adult fiction will succeed so long as it's a power fantasy against an evil oppressor with a bit of self-discovery and romance thrown in if you're writing for grills.

/thread

>>5636502
Yes and no.

I like the premise of YA books but the execution is always shamefully lacking. Such is the curse of someone whose taste never grew up but whose standards did.

Free me from this fresh hell.

>>5631911
>riot grrrl

literally when was this relevant

why do people pretend it still is

>>5635789
Why would you have anything to do with anyone who would condemn you for something as irrelevant as your interests?

>>5641391
fuck off pleb

it's pretty sad that we're so goddamn causeless that we have to create some impossibly imaginative dystopic world just to have a fake one

>>5641408
liberalism is the end of history
postmodernism the end of art and history

>>5641397
>>>/r/euphoria

>>5641428
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Gotlib_Bloch
>He published his six-volume master work, Budushchaya Voina, popularized in English translation as Is War Now Impossible?, in Paris in 1898.
The way people are talking, it sounds as though we're about a decade out from major global crisis.

>>5632206
But it isn't a patriarchy?

>>5631911
>Cinderella as rewritten by CrimethInc to a riot grrrl soundtrack.

Is this a jab at Cinders because that whole series is fucking awesome and fuck that twat if so.

Teens in dystopia is just a more formal way of expressing rebellion for "the system" as they always do and have done. I do not believe it's reflecting on their opinion of how their society's actually working. Huge stretch!

>>5636060
If you can't look an animal in the eye and kill it yourself get the fuck out basically

>>5642879
Positions of political power are 100% male controlled, it's a de facto patriarchy.

>>5632927
>The actor who plays Karl Drogo is her stepdad.
For a second I thought you were saying Lenny Kravitz was married to Jason Mamoa.
It was an awkward mental image.