/lit/ - Literature

Only anime i respect is death note, people say code geass is good too but i didn't watch it.

Boku no Pico

>>5615907
what makes the entirety of other anime unworthy of respect

no

>>5615915
for entertainment purposes they are worth of respect, but for literature purposes not so much, i havent watched a lot of animes tho

>>5615890
This is no anime worthy of literary merit.

>>5615915
The target audience for a start. It caters to a niche audience who doesn't care about any kind of quality and just wants escapist trash that sticks to archetypes a cliches. Not to mention that a large part of the shows are just glorified advertisements for manga and other mediums.

Low-budget animation, predictable story lines, weak characters and unfinished series with shit endings doesn't exactly make anime that enjoyable or have any merit.

>>5615890
Yes.
Inio Asano

neon genesis evangelion, of course

>>5615937
>>5615937
I don't watch or read anime, i also don't write it off based on my theories of what it's all about based on very little.
I have better reasoning.

>>5615937
Nah

>>5615944
This

And Stand Alone Complex

You don't watch anime for literaly merits. That's why you have books. You watch anime for cute girls doing cute things.

>Literary Merit

>>5615951
>Nah

Yes.

>>5615937
I enjoy anime and do care about quality. You're a boob for making generalizations.

Is there even an agreeable definition of "literary merit" or is it still just a vacuous umbrella buzzword used to disguise everything that subjectively and emotionally appeals to you?

>>5615907
>>5615908
>>5615935
>>5615937
>>5615954
No

>>5615939
>>5615944
>>5615951
Yes.

Also, The Tatami Galaxy, Mushishi, and others.

[spoilers] Seriously didnt we just have this thread? [/spoiler]

>>5615972
It's a buzzword for people who want to think that reading somehow makes them more sophisticated than everyone else.

>>5615975
*buzzphrase

>>5615983
Fuck I hate bees.

Studio Ghibli stuff
Gainax before 00s stuff (exceptions: Gurren Lagann, FLCL and Diebuster)
Seventies Mecha (Gundam, Macross, Ideon)

These are most worthy to watch anime out there.

But, tbh, there a lot more Manga worthy reading than anime worthy watching. It is a lot more diverse too

>>5615998
>Not Akira
>Not Ghost in the Shell
>Not Jin-Roh

Come on man

>No one mentioning Lain

TETSUOOOOOO

Cheap/easy answer for anime: Mouryou no Hako and Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
In manga: any of Fukumoto Nobuyuki's serious works. Especially the final volumes of Ten: Tenna Toori no Kaidanji.

There's more of course.

Lain and Ergo Proxy are some damn good postmodern anime

>>5616015
KANEDAAAAAA

>>5615973
Is Solanin better than Oyasumi Punpun?
I think so, but I can't decide which one I prefer.

>>5616009
>Jin-Roh
Yes.

>>5616011

I wanted to like that so badly, but the artstyle just freaked me the fuck out. Gave me the same uneasy feeling I get when I have a sleep paralysis episode.

>>5615975
But it does. Why else would I read if it doesn't make me better than other people?

>>5615890

Legend of Galactic Heroes, started watching just a while ago and already watched the two first films and 25 or so episodes. Can already say that it's probably better than any other tv series I've watched (live action stuff that is, because I've barely watched any other anime)

>/lit/erary merit
who cares

Maybe you could read Beserk or One Piece

>>5616022
CANADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>5616034
Gentleman of fine tastes

>>5616011
I mentioned it in the last thread

10/10. It gives me the strangest nostalgia of the 90's. Its very eerie.

>>5616024
PunPun is better. Solanin is very good though.

>>5616025
Well, ill warn you now that the final episode is very anxiety inducing. However it is also very good.

>>5615890
Why would you turn to a visual medium looking for "literary merit." You should watch anime for the things it can offer the literature can't; visual story telling, cinematography, etc.

>>5615890
Texhnolyze and Kino's Journey

Again, obligatory Nihei recommendation.

>>5616053
I think thats what he meant but didnt know how to express it.

Lain, NGE, Cat Soup, Angel Egg for complexity (assuming that's getting towards what you mean by 'literary')

Bebop, Tatami Galaxy, Utena for worthwhile less-complicated thrills and feels

Ghost in The Shell and Akira are good but it's been so long since I've seen either of them

Texhnolyze might be good, but I'm undecided.

FLCL for adolescent angst

I haven't seen Jin-Roh but I hear good things.

Ghibli films can be magical but I'm hard-pressed to see what's exceptional about them

Kon and Shinkai's stuff is alright

>>5616034
>>5616046
Why is he so perfect /lit/? ;-(

>Trying to find high literary values in mass produced media aimed at teenagers and young adults
>Trying to compare a young, limited medium with fucking literature.

>>5616062
muh brandy tea

>>5616059
This mother fucker right here. 10/10

Ima have to recommend to you Mushishi and Mononke. I think you will like them. They are far more fantasy than sci-fi/steam-punkish, but still.

>>5616066
>Implying all anime is mass produced tripe

>>5616011

IF LAIN IS LOVE AND LAIN IS LIFE THEN IS LAIN BOTH LOVE AND LIFE?

>>5616043
>mfw both of these are unfinished and will stay unfinished for a long time

>>5616034
I think it's unfair to say anime has 'literary value'. If you define that as something only literature can compose, then anime cannot have literary value, if you deem literary value as some grandiose round-the-bend sense of feeling towards works that feel meaningful, then definitely LOTGH applies to it.

Kino no Tabi, LOTGH, and various Studio Ghibli films (The Wind Rises, Only Yesterday) are some great places to start.

If you appreciate pastiche and animation, watch Space Dandy. Space Dandy is a great anime that is easily passed up because it's inherently esoteric that, at surface value, seems like a generic anime.

>>5616078
LET'S ALL LOVE LAIN

Everyone here loves punpun, right?

>>5616083
NARAMEMES!!!!

>>5616083

>>5616034
the two main generals are such Mary Sues though

>>5616086
Yes, pun resonated with me on so many levels

>>5616086
no, I hate Punpun and anything else written by that shit author. And I'm not joking.
And if Punpun didn't have the bird(geometrical shape gimmick none of you would have read or liked it anyway.

>>5616089
>>5616089
>two main generals.

What are you even saying. It's a space opera.

>>5616095
Reinhard and Yang of course, who else can qualify?

People always jump to suggest Legend of the Galactic Heroes, but if he's looking for literary merit he might as well read the book.

>>5616086
By far my favorite manga.

God damn that manga. God damn it.

By the by, anyone who doesnt know, Asano's ew manga DEDEDEDE is up (yes that is its abbreviated name)

>>5616094
>>>/a/

>>5616097
We're assuming OP meant the 'literary sense' that can only be achieved by the medium of anime.

>>5615890
Maybe Akira and GiTS. But that wouldn't be literary so much as cinematic merit.

Baccano!

>>5616110
>It will never get a second season
Well, at least there's the novel.
And at least Durarara is getting a second season.

>>5616117
Durarara is shit

>>5616130

Psycho Pass.

Instead of doing anything new, the characters just talk about the ideas of well-known authors. Super po-mo.

>>5616143
psycho pass is awful, and i'm four episodes in. is it worth continuing?

>>5616143
>Shogo quotes a couple authors once
>suddenly the entire show is based on quoting authors
Not even GiTS Innocence can be reduced to this.

>>5616147
No, you're not worthy of it.

>>5616151
>terrible and annoying protag
>swoons over deep and mysterious and primal male
>episodic, so the only continuities are in the storylines between the characters
>not even good episodic content like space dandy

it's pretty shit.

>>5616143
>>5616147
>>5616151
Psycho-Pass is shit

It has a decent concept (minority report) and runs it into the ground.

Cant believe it has a second season currently airing.

>>5616161
>good episodic content like space dandy

I like Space Dandy and all, but come on.

What you should all be watching is Log Horizon

>>5616143
Forgot the series-defining quote:

"I'm not smart. [Jonathan] Swift is."

>>5616169
pfttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

Ill just go watch .hack again if I want to watch a decent anime about an mmo

Next youll say we should all be watching sword art online

>>5615907
2nd half of death note is shit. Obviously the first half should've ended with L beating him. His replacements are terrible and their personalities literally come down to one playing with toys, and the other eating chocolate. So dumb.. The final ending is nice though.

>>5616173
SAO is garbage

Log Horizon is actually good

Tatami Galaxy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzvU8t3TRio
>muh experimental animation style
>muh non-traditional narrative
>muh rose colored campus life
>muh literary references

Neon Genesis Evangelion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8w1bVAHZ60
>muh psychoanalysis
>muh Schopenhauer
>much mysticism

(possibly) Ghost in the Shell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IGTiFuDjTI
>muh mind/body problem
>muh cyborgfeminism
the movies are better

Miyazaki (Senior)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyX89c3nSHw
>muh primitivism
>muh reactionary shinto
>muh traditionalism
>muh childhood memories

Kemonozume
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l696kcAunhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFzJge-2vU
>muh experimental animation style
>muh degradation
>muh domestic violence
>muh body horror
as for entertainment value, Akira and Cowboy Bebop are acceptable, try Kids on the Slope if you like Jazz


>>5616094
seconded, poorly planned coming of age shock factor trash
>MUH IDENTITY
Some people here confused manga and anime
as for anime that has something like literary merit try:

>>5616164
seconded, it's crap

>creepy murders
>mystery
>mental disorders & depression
>demuns & paranormal
>WW2 vets
>family secrets
>the greatest /lit/fag ever
>SCIENCE!
>folklore and history you didn't know shit about
>qt girls
>PSYCHOLOGY! (and a little philosophy)

and you haven't seen it.

The Tale of Princess Kaguya is probably the greatest animation ever produced in Japan, and one of the greatest animated works ever

>>5616180
these look pretty good, thanks
never heard of any of it except for miyazaki and akira
kemonozume and that parade scene actually look really awesome

how is miyazaki a reactionary though? spirited away is pretty much my favorite movie, and I can only see how it's about childhood memories, but I don't know anything about shinto

>>5616180
>Kids on the Slope

Dat rotoscope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__OSyznVDOY

>>5616086
Japanese equivalent of super serious YA shit

>>5615890
Clannad.

>>5616202
I was going to see this friday and all my friends bailed on me. I need to fucking see this in theaters, I saw wind rises in theaters and ill be damned if I dont see the final ghibli film ever in theaters with subs

Is the animation really that good? Is the film that broke Ghibli really worth it?

Masterpiece?

>>5616211
Look into Japanese Fascism/Shinto Statism and his views in general, then look at Princess Mononoke again

>>5616215
It's not great in terms of writing and the Jazz is entry level, but it's quite good
Also all the chicks look like dudes in that animation style

>>5616224
The manga is actually good.

>>5616059
This post is fine except for Shinkai which is sentimental horseshit but with really pretty background art

>>5616224
>>5616231
>It's my favorite book and I havent even read it
>Why am I such a shit

/lit/, the manga

But seriously /lit/, what the fuck was that ending.

What the fuck was that.

>>5616224
>>5616231
this is also
>>5616218

>>5616221
Only if you admit that My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is also

>>5616243
pic

>>5616248
AnH is not super serious YA shit, it's a pretty simple and straightforward story of how a teenage edgelord managed to do a 180 while growing up.
The first half is especially pretty much comedy. Dark comedy maybe, but still comedy.

>>5616224
>>5616231
I read somewhere the author said it was based on his experiences with some girl who bullied him in high school, but the author is some morbidly obese otaku

>>5616094
>>5616180
>>5616248
PunPun was not that bad.

Maserpiece?

>>5616262
>morbidly obese otaku
The guy maybe has 2 kilograms more than the ideal amount for his height. Do you live by the /tv/ weight scale or something?

Aoi Bungaku is based on famous Japanese books like No Longer Human and Kokoro, but according to many they're not good adaptions.

Some of Kaneto Shiazawa's stories have gotten anime adaptions. I'd recommend Night on the Galactic Railroad, a kids movie no kid would ecer like. It's very slow and surreal.

Then there's the World Masterpiece Theater series that vary highly in quality and are also really slow as a result of turning faily short books into 50-some episode shows. Check out Nobody's Boy Remi if you want to watch a kid suffer from hunger while the narrator's a total dick about it.o

>>5615937
I love how you think Death Note didn't cater to a niche audience. It did it cleverly and by being interesting, so it could also draw other people as a side effect, but the main target was definitely 14-18 boys.

>>5616080
One Piece still has like 10 years before it finishes

>>5616279
Wait, is one of those works an anime were each episode is based on a famous modern japanese story, a few coming from Natsume Sōseki?

>>5616278
Pretty sure I saw a p icture of him where he was really fat.

I never watched it but maybe the Aoi Bungaku series ?
And you could always watch Gankutsuou, I guess...

Paying debts has never been so heart-wrenchingly tense, socially poignant and philosophical.

>>5616059
>>5616180
THESE TWO POSTS ARE WHERE IT'S AT
everything else is pretty much trash

>>5616288
Aoi Bungaku, they adapted Kokoro, and also:

No longer human
In the Forest, Under Cherries in Full Bloom
Run, Melos!
The Spider's Thread
Hell Screen

>>5616047
That picture's qt, where's it from?

>>5616094
Pleb!
I can understand being put off by Punpun, but Solanin is near perfect.

>>5616305
is from Pleb Galaxy

>>5616305
It's Tatami Galaxy, someone posted the trailer earlier in the thread

>>5616305
The Tatami Galaxy

>>5616293
>Kaneto Shiozawa
No, wait, fuck me. I meant Kenji Miyazawa.
>>5616288
Yes, Aoi Bungaku.

What do you guys think about this?

I thought it was good, but the ending kind of ruins it.

>Want good things to happen all through the damn thing
>Good things finally happen, but in a poorly executed and rushed way

>>5616308
>people are elitist about one of least obscure animes of the most obscure animes list

>>5616321
I don't get why that girl who was continuously raped decided to stay in the end

>>5616322
Lain is shit though
>>5616321
Have to atleast give the name, not everyone can guess off a tiny screenshot that doesn't even show style

>>5616308
>>5616316
>>5616317
Thanks, friends.

>>5616322
I was implying that TG is for plens

>>5616332
It's Now and Then, Here and There. It's OK

>>5616332
Oh fuck I thought it was in the filename.

Now and Then, Here and There (Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku)

I'm glad I'm not the only person who's just started watching anime. 20 mins per episode makes it perfect for watching in quick bursts or for marathoning. Only watched the obvious stuff so far (Evangelion, Bebop and Champloo) but currently watching Serial Experiments Lain and her bear pyjamas might be the cutest thing ever.

Thank god /lit/ has better taste than /a/

What is everyone watching this season?

I think im only going to be watching the second half of the final season of Mushishi. Nothing else really looks good. Well that and Princess Kaguya.

>>5616353
I'm not watching anything because I think Mushishi is boring.