/lit/ - Literature

>>5600994
Shit: literally every expressionist writer ever.

>>5600994
below shit tier: making a picture about tiers

>>5600994

>>5601014
wtf i don't even

>>5601014
calle borjesson is a racist and misogynist
probably a rapist too

>>5601014
apron, simply apron.

>>5601028
Wait, do you mean that the tier list is real?

>>5601003
I'm not familiar with expressionist authors and cursory google searches didn't turn up any names I know. Who would be considered in that category that I may have heard of?

P.S. I don't read much poetry besides epics, I'm looking more for prose or plays.

>>5601014
This is... fascinating.

Like the tastes are pure Reddit but he's clearly well-read.

I hope he's some sort of idiosyncratic, Armond White-type aesthete, and not just an idiot. Because I love reading those kinds of people's opinions, they're great for expanding one's understanding of art even if you don't agree with them.

>>5601055
Gottfried Benn for example.

Expressionism is just, to me, trying to be as edgy as possible while hiding 2deep4u messages in a poem full of gore and otherwise sick shit.

Truly the worst epoch of the 20th century

>>5601061
I really don't think he actually read Beloved, or half the things below the midpoint of the chart.

>>5601061

>>5601061
Agrred
There is nothing wrong with reading pleb-books imo.

As long as they don't try to convince me that your book is somehow deep or a classic it's fine.

Hell, i read and liked ASOIAF too, just for entertainment value, not because i think Martin is the next Tolkien or even comparable to "real" authors

>>5601014
>the holy bible

Updated!

>>5601255
GRRM doesn't even belong there.

>>5601261
You're cute.

>>5601276
How so?
You just can't compare classical literature with genre fantasy.
Not even Tolkien belongs on this list.

Where are the Greeks?

>>5601308
This is more about quality.

>>5601326
Where should I put them?

>>5601255
>Andrzej Sapkowski
>Sapkowski

I luv u already.

>>5601334
What's wrong?

>>5601329
Marcus Aurelius - Medications
God-tier

>>5601342
There is nothing wrong. Maybe Sapkowski not being in godtier but that's just opinion.

>>5601359
Is in low-top, but I'd like to hear your opinion.

>>5601329
Even then.

Comparing a writer who writes to convey a deeper message with aesthetically challenging prose to GRRM, who writes rather entertaining stories for entertainment value only is insanity.

I suggest putting Jean Anouilh there instead.

>>5601069
most of the stuff below the midpoint is just high school assigned reading, I'm pretty sure everyone has read that stuff.

Beloved was terrible, too. You got dead babies, you got chocolate people having sex with farm animals, and a disjointed narrative that can't decide if it wants to tell the story in the present or in the past so it keep bouncing back and forth, awful, just awful. Toni Morrison robbed someone of a Pulitzer that year thanks to white guilt and affirmative action.

>>5601381
Like this?

>>5601423
Y-you are triggering my autism, anon

>>5601428
B-but anon...

What should I add?

>>5601436
Remove genre fiction babbies.
You already added Anouilh, so that's good.

Dostoievsky needs to be on god/top

>>5601497
No

>>5601061
lol
>high school level books half the country was probably supposed to read
>well read

>>5601391
lol beloved is great, sorry it was 2 confusing for you

>>5601391
CalleBorjesson is quentin?

New update.

>>5601624
Not enough German writers there.
Put Kafka under good tier and Hitler under shit tier

god tier:
shakespeare
cervantes
proust
joyce

top tier:
cormac mccarthy
thomas pynchon
borges
wilde
calvino
faulkner
tolstoy
goethe

mid tier:
steinbeck
fitzgerald
orwell
beckett
burroughs
dostoevsky
hugo

Where does Goethe belong?

I would say he is good or god tier.

Also, Heine should be good tier too.

>>5601722
>Proust
my nigga.

>>5601735
>Where does Goethe belong?
>>5601722

C.S. Lewis under shit tier please

>>5601014
>Ann Coulter
thinly veiled b8

>>5601754
this
i'd add gk chesterton too

>thatwaseasy.jpg

>>5601770
You should burn slow and painfully.

>>5601770
Clearly written, I agree.

>>5601696
you're welcome

>>5601770
>when bait gets so obvious as to pass into irony and so unfunny as to pass into opinion

>>5601770
I would also change it so that GOD/TOP/MID/LOW/SHIT is on the same level, because lets be honest, compared to it theyre all on the same level. Shit level.

>>5601770
this about sums up everything from literature history, i think we can do
/thread

>>5601770
>THIS GUY GETS IT

>>5601722
best list

>>5601722
Switch Wilde and Beckett and you've got a pretty good list.

>>5601795
>19 century philosophy
>schopenhaur
>not kierkegaard
U wot m8

>GOD:

>TOP:

>MID:

>LOW:

>SHIT:
tier lists

Where the hell is Steinbeck in this thread?
>God

remove philosophers OP.

>>5606558

>steinbeck
>god

lol /r/books please go back and talk to your own kind no one wants the opinions of new readers

>>5601255
GRRM in low
Coehlo in shit

>>5606586

Excuse us while we tyranny of the majority your shit tier neckbeard book club into some taste. If you'd quit circlejerking you'd realize good literature could be found outside your disfigured romantic sewing circle.

God tier: GRRM, Rowling, Orwell, Huxley, all political books written by United States Senators and Political Radio Pundits, and the guy that wrote DayZ

Top tier: Chris Paolini, Steven King.

Mid tier: Shakespeare

Low tier: All philosophy authors

Shit tier: Dostoyevsky, David Foster Wallace, Cicero, Hobbes, Marx, Dr. Seuss.

>>5607732
>All philosophy authors
Nice try, faggot.

>>5607777

That list was serious. Outside of your secret club, see it from my perspective.

Philosophy feels useless as a normal person. Maybe kings and charlatans can find value in it, the former to have some ideal they can (or can claim to) stand behind and the latter because it's quotable and gives you something to feel superior to other people about, but to me? I have yet to be shown why I should care.

Like, I work in software engineering. I eat a bowl of cereal every morning, go to work and get shit done, eat lunch with a few coworkers, then go home, chill with my wife and kids for a few hours, then go to sleep. What philosophies are even vaguely relevant to me?

>>5607732
muh b8

>>5607977

Fuck you, this answer is exactly why philosophy gets low tier.

I try to ask a straight question, no tricks, no bullshit loaded "It can't be flowery, platitudinous, or older than [yearCount]", and I get called bait.

By the way, that's all I ever seem to get from this board, why aren't there /any/ people who can explain this shit, even tripfags?

>>5607988
yeah why would anyone think it's bait. obviously every book written by a radio pundit is better than Shakespeare, who would disagree with that

>>5607732

>>5607996

It's partially a joke, but seriously, political works like that are actually intensely interesting mechanical pieces, which is why I rank them high tier. They'e all ghostwritten, and understanding the mechanics behind their creation and working through them as "spot the talking points" games is incredibly interesting.

Watch for when the ghostwriter gets subtly sarcastic about what he's writing or clearly disagrees, the narratives behind the narratives are absolute fucking joys to read into. Go watch some youtube videos about ghostwriting conventions, they're joys to watch.

Shakespeare's neat, but if you aren't in a college english department, the best parts are unrecognizable old english. Yes, I could decipher if I invested a ton more time, or I could go the moron route and buy a "Dumb down the Shakespeare" book which I think would probably destroy the whole meaning of reading shakespeare, but in lieu of doing either he's mid tier: He'd be higher if I had more time to appreciate his works.

I liked Ibsen better anyways.

>>5601722
>tolstoy not in god tier

>>5601722
>Hemingway not in top tier

>>5608019
So is The Room a great film to you? "entertaining for unintentional reasons" is not what you were ranking

Shakespeare is not difficult to read. He's not Chaucer--actually pick up a play, it's very far from "unrecognizable old English." Get used to a couple linguistic constructions and it's barely different than the English written and spoken today.

Ibsen is a great playwright too. But it's stupid as hell of you to blithely dismiss Shakespeare as unreadable (he's really not) when you haven't put any effort at all into him.

Dosto, Marx, and DFW are all great, insightful writers as well but all require a little work on your part. It's fine if you don't want to put the work in, but don't just post, "I don't like thinking about what I read and I'm happy with my life" and expect everyone to think this justifies your bad taste in literature.

>>5608075
>So is The Room a great film to you

Not that guy, but of course. Its 2014, I think we can add "context" as a valid way to judge a work. Making an assessment based purely on the "appearance" is outdated. There is so much more to explore and understand.

>>5601722
This.

>>5601722
>>5601722
>>5601722
>>5601722
>>5601722

>>5600994

>GOD

Milton
Keats
Shakespeare
Joyce
Proust
Woolf
Borges
Chekhov
Gogol

>TOP
Nabokov
James
Melville
Wordsworth
Pynchon
DFW
Austen
Kawabata
Balzac
Bolano
Lawrence
WC Williams

>MID
Dostoevsky
Fitzgerald
Hemingway
Shelley
Norris
Voltaire
Faulkner
West
Sartre
Calvino
Beckett
Steinbeck

>LOW
Vonnegut
Camus
Heller
Hesse
Bronte
Murakami
Tolkien
C.S. Lewis
PKD


>SHIT
GRRM
Rand
Hunger Games
Twilight
Bukowski
Cummings
Alt-lit

I started making a chart like this in response to a Sunhawk chart once but gave up half-way through. Feel free to add to it or alter it if you feel like it.

>>5609434

Sappho and Wordsworth above Joyce, Proust, Woolf?

Nahhhh dude :(

>>5609419
>Hesse and Camus in low tier

>GOD TIER
My taste
>SHIT TIER
Your taste

>>5609434
is Sunhawk dead?

>>5609419
>woolf in god
>Faulkner in mid
>PKD, Vonnegut, Camus, Hesse in low

confirmed for faggot

>>5609857
>>PKD, Vonnegut, Camus, Hesse in low

Camus

Camus, Albert. Dislike him. Second-rate, ephemeral, puffed-up. A nonentity, means absolutely nothing to me. Awful.

>>5609857

I giggled.

Faulkner, Vonnegut, Camus, PKD, and Hesse are better than Woolf?

Learn to read :)

>>5609434
>Mid-High brow=late romanticism, realism, modernism
>High brow=early romanticism and earlier
um ok

>>5609877
Stop recycling Nabokov's edgy opinions, you fucking faggot.

>>5601014
Thanks for showing me Pewdiepie's taste in literature

>>5601061
You are incredibly retarded.

SS-Tier: Shakespeare
S-Tier: Dante, Cervantes
A-Tier: Homer, Plato, the Jahwist, Virgil, Chaucer, Montaigne, Milton
B-Tier: too many to list but people like Moliere, Goethe, Wordsworth, Tolstoy, Ibsen, Proust, Joyce
C-Tier: Hemingway, Fitzgerald, etc
D-Tier: Camus, Poe and the like
E-Tier: J. K. Rowling, Stephen King
F-Tier: David Foster Wallace

Thanks Harold Bloom

>>5610143

Tolstoy shoul be there with Shakespeare, or at least in the S-tier (he is far, far better than Cervantes).

>>5610143
>that f tier
lol

>>5601722
dostoevsky in mid tier is bait, right?

is that why everyone has been ignoring it?

>>5610143
You're welcome, anon.
*tips canon*

>Dostoevsky being mid-leveled anytime

Is this some kind of meme? Or is he too mainstream to make it into at least top tier of anyone on /lit/? He's an intellectual juggernaut aside from being a decent writer and true "salt of the earth" of Russian literature. I swear it's like people on here reading Nabokov's pompous critique of his superior and mindlessly following it.

also...

>>5600994

>Sapkowski

>>5601014

>>5601722
>cormac mccarthy above dostoevsky
is this bait?

>>5610583
Dostoevsky has fallen from grace in /lit/'s eyes this last year. Not sure why.

>Shit tier: Bukowski

Make it so

>>5609419
chechov ma nigga

>>5609419
>Beckett in mid
haha what a terrible failure your life must be

>>5609419
>SHIT
>Cummings

But he's a great poet!

Dostoyevski is God tier you fucking plebs

>>5610547
i judge books by prose not themes or ideas
dostoevsky is too vanilla

>>5610699
lol dosto is reddit-tier

>>5601014
>that shit-eating face
>Fight Club using the movie poster for the book
>Game of Thrones
>Atlas Shrugged
>Ann Coulter
>Sasha Grey
>literally so much of an libertard /pol/ack that you hate based Malcolm

>>5609419
>SHIT
>cummings

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>>5610791
>based malcolm
>based
>malcolm
is this is malcolm x we're talking about, follower of cult religion and anti-white black supremacist? the same malcolm x who refused help from whites based on their skin colour?

>>5610803
His speaking is excellent and black nationalists improved black ghettos, even if their beliefs are pretty dumb. He stopped being racist late in life, in case you've forgotten.

>>5610791
>based Malcolm

fuck off, retard

>>5610608
Pretty sure it's one guy and maybe an impressionable second guy who keep pretending Dostoevsky isn't a good writer.

>>5610815
you've yet to address >follower of cult religion

>>5601722
>borges
>high tier

How pleb are you? His writing has no substance, it is all useless erudition. You don't know shit

>>5610830
>disliking borges
>calling someone else pleb
can you kill yourself pls

>>5601014
wait this is real?

>>5610827
>cult religion
Nice repetitive phrase.
>being an edgy Hitchens-worshiping Islamaphobe

>>5610841
no all these morons are falling for bait

>>5610849
retard he wasn't islamic he was part of the nation of islam
they are to muslims as mormons are to christianity
also
>thinking 'islamaphobia' is real
>thinking you can't criticse a set of values without being an 'islamaphobe'

>>5610849
Hi, leftist liberal atheist here. My best friend is a black homosexual and my family collects food stamps! So please don't >/pol/ack my response.

Malcolm was an anti-white black supremacist who was actually, historically, factually in a cult. Although it is true he attempted to change late in life, it doesn't change his history.
Malcolm was anything but based, my friend.

>>5610863
Hmm, I believe I addressed that with
>even if their beliefs are pretty dumb
but I assumed you were addressing Islam as a whole when you ignored this.
>implying libtards like Mill Maher and Hitchens don't disguise their dislike of Arabs as 'criticism or religion'
Although yes, Islam deserves to be criticized, a good deal of its critics are bigoted Zionists/neocons.

>>5610899
my wife is from tunisia

>>5610874
>what is context
Both in the sense of I was posting in reference to the chart you posted, and in the sociopolitical context during which Malcolm X existed.

>>5610908
good 4 u

>>5601391
Hey you!
Fuck off.

>>5605303
>GOD:

>TOP:

>MID:

>LOW:

>SHIT:
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>>5609442
Modernism is a meme so it can never be true highbrow.

>>5609434
>basho
>good
kekekeke

>>5610608
Because he's boring.
>muh suffering.

>>5601080
>entertainment
What makes him not comparable to 'real' authors?
It sounds like he's just a summer time read for you and i would like to your criticisms of his writing

>GOD:
Tolstoy
Shakespeare
Nabokov
Joyce
>TOP:
Flaubert
Twain
Fitzgerald
Proust
Dostoevsky
Melville
Chekhov
Cervantes
Marquez
Dante
Montaigne
St. Augustine
Kafka
Pynchon
>MID:
Herodotus
Machiavelli
Freud
Homer
Salinger
George Eliot
Faulkner
Borges
Aristotle
Huxley
Heller
Tolkien
Austen
McCarthy
DFW
Henry Adams
Marx
Arthur Machen
>LOW:
Charles Darwin
Carson
Steinbeck
Stendhal
Camus
Conrad
Brontë
Lewis Carroll
James D. Watson
Morrison
Ellison
Keynes
Poe
Xueqin
Orwell
Woolf
Vonnegut
Dickens
Henry James
Stephen King
C.S. Lewis
Swift
Harper Lee
Einstein
Anne Frank
>SHIT:
Tarkington
Rand
L. Ron Hubbard
Rushdie
Sterne
Rowling
Anonymous
Christie
Benjamin Franklin
Cicero
Coleridge
Corneille
Bashō
T. S. Eliot
Cooper
Ariosto
Browning
Francis Bacon
Hitler
John Richardson
Paul Theroux
Barack Obama
Winston Churchill
Mao Zedong
Aleister Crowley

(my opinion)

>>5610963
Why do you even exist

>>5611150
I don't think /lit-core has ever been described with such extensive accuracy. And yes, Obama and Hitler being included in the list make it more accurate.

>>5611150
>Proust, Chekhov and Cervantes in top tier
>Nabokov in God tier
kek

>>5611150
Why do you hate Sterne?

>>5600994
when we realiza categorizations are stupid and childish we achieve something.
fuck you.

>>5601061
can't even begin to unpack all the stupidity and artifice in this post.

1) mixing "I" "you" and "one" forms in the same fucking sentence

2) calling this guy "well read"

3) having never seen this chart before (how new are you?)

>This is... fascinating

I won't go on

>>5611150
>Tolstoy
>Shakespeare

Finally I saw another Anon that puts both Shakespeare and Tolstoy in the God level. I thought I was the only one who saw them (two completely different writers) as brothers in their greatness.

But I really think that they might be there alone. Don’t know any other writer who is that great: not only father of supreme works, but of several supreme works. They are not, like Proust, Cervantes and Dante, the creators of one work of genius. They seemed to be eternal fountains of divine literature.

>>5613913

Also: they belong to a small group of writers that are loved and greatly respected both by critics and general readers. Joyce, for example, is not that unanimous with the common reader.

>>5613927
I think Joyce is still fairly popular with common reads

>>5601014
>Ayn Rand and The Holy Bible in Top tier instead of God tier
Obvious troll.

>>5611199
How highly would you rate that achievement?

>>5613927
Joyce was widely read when he was banned, before the academics claimed him. He's actually perfectly understandable if you're not dull and obsessed with allusion hunting.

>>5613990
>>5614041

But you guys can’t say the same about the Finnegan’s Wake: this one is really difficult.

>>5614069
Dubliners and Ulysses are still both readable classics, though.

>>5614087

Yes, I agree.

>>5611150
>TS Eliot
>Shit
m8

>>5607732
cicero was literally a pleb

>>5615097
Started as a plebeian now he's here.