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worst bait ive ever seen

yet this thread will probably get 200+ replies

Seems like a total non-issue to me.

>A. Lack of knowledge. Doesn't know

>B. "Knows" God is not real.

Position B is correct. If you don't know why, you need to read a lot more.

agnostics are just as bad.

>look at me, i'm such a pussy i can't commit to faith

>>5561256

>implying this is bait and actually doesn't make a good point

>>5561271

People like you are the worst. Agnosticism is the only logical position.

Come on, Protestants are way worse than atheists. Many good Catholics have been atheists.

>relevantxkcdcomic.jpg

>>5561278
Do you have to take a position on this issue?

>>5561284

You don't have to if you don't want to be a little faggot.

there's no such thing as agnosticism, where it counts.

You can say you don't know if there's a god, but you either live as if there's a god looking over your actions, and preordainihg your fate, or you don't.

You can't have it both ways.

Why are people believing in gravity even allowed on /lit/?
There is nothing more arrogant and intellectually inferior on Earth than a person believing in gravity.

>>5561328

That was a really shitty rebuttal

Why are people believing the earth is round even allowed on /lit/?
There is nothing more arrogant and intellectually inferior on Earth than a person thinking that earth-roundness is a proven fact rather than an unknowable theory.

>>5561328
This is the lamest post I've ever seen.

Why are people not believing in invisible pink unicorns even allowed on /lit/?
There is nothing more arrogant and intellectually inferior on Earth than a person believing that invisible pink unicorns don't exist.

Why are people who believe in electricity as a fact even allowed on /lit/?
There is nothing more arrogant and intellectually inferior on Earth than a people who think electricity is a fact rather than an inherently unknowable theory about the world.

Why are people believing in heliocentricity even allowed on /lit/?
There is nothing more arrogant and intellectually inferior on Earth than a people who believe that a heliocentric model of the solar system is closer to the real world than for example the geocentric model.

>>5561336

Same here. These posts are just cringe worthy.

Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13puH63HxmQ

>these are atheists
>these are people who are "intellectually superior"
>Can't even clearly understand the ontological theory
>all this cringe

If the internet has taught me anything then it is the fact that the mark of an atheist is his distinctive head wear. But that clearly isn't one of those much derided fedoras. Therefore I think we must conclude the man in that image cannot be an athiest, perhaps he is a platonist, a yazidi, or a circumcellion.

>>5561332
>>5561336
there's no argument for god-agnosticism that doesn't equally apply to invisible-pink-unicorn-agnosticism or gravity-agnosticism.

tldr: eat a dick

>>5561345
what arguments are there against monotheistic-agnosticism that don't apply to leprechaun-agnosticism or gravity-agnosticism?

>>5561354

>tl;dr eat a dick
>You hurt my feelings and punctured my intellectual superiority bubble so I'm going to verbally insult you

Ladies and gentlemen, atheists.

Why are people believing that big foot doesn't exist even allowed on /lit/?
There is nothing more arrogant and intellectually inferior on Earth than a people believing that big foot doesn't exist.

there should be a checkbox beside the comment input frame systerm and you check it if you're an atheist then your posts don't show up for anyone else except you

>>5561363
the only one doing the name-calling has been you, buddy.

I have ridiculed your position by likening it to denying that the theory of gravity is a fact (in every sense of the word) rather than an inherently unknowable assumption about reality.

If you're gonna be Abrahamic-monotheistic-god-agnostic, you have to go full retard on anything except cogito ergo sum.

tldr: is the taste of my dick in your mouth an inherently unknowable theory about the world or are you consequently agnostic about it like a good boi?

>>5561243
Why are people who think OP doesn't have a dick in his mouth right now even allowed on /lit/?
There is nothing more arrogant and intellectually inferior on Earth than a people thinking that anything can be knowable for certain.

ie, OP probably has a dick in his mouth

>>5561379

How arrogant can you be to completely omit the possibility of a higher power, something beyond human and scientific understand is responsible for the creation of the universe?

We're not talking about unicorns or magical leprechauns.

>>5561391
>How arrogant can you be to completely omit the possibility of a unicorn?
>How arrogant can you be to completely omit the possibility of leprechauns?

You can't choose to be agnostic about one thing but not about another. It's the retard-hat in the intellectual world. Once you put it on, everyone will stop talking to you and discretely stay away from you during dinner parties, while you, in your underpants flinging poo at children screaming "YOU CANNOT KNOW THAT IM BEHAVING INAPPROPRIATELY FOR CERTAIN", rest assured in the knowledge that knowledge is impossible.

Good luck with your new life of not being able to know anything for certain. You have unlocked the key to unlimited retard-dom, now you only need to step through the door, young Potter.

>>5561400

>Good luck with your new life of not being able to know anything for certain

What a stupid statement. We're discussing the existence of a higher power, origins and fate of the universe and things that philosophers have speculated on for hundreds of years. It's arrogant to believe humans and science have everything figured out. Even Einstein admitted that science can't prove everything.

>>5561406
>doesn't understand the consequences of the epistemological position he's supporting
ahaha, fucktarded American detected.

protip: agnosticism is incompatible with not-being-a-retard. Philosophers have known that for thousands of years. Or not, doesn't matter really as we can't know anything for sure and don't evaluate the probability of claims by virtue of the evidence that exists for them.
ITS ALL EQUAL. ALL HUMAN THOUGHT IS FREE AND UNRESTRAINED AND NOBODY IS WRONG FOR CERTAIN BECAUSE ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE IS IMPOSSIBL

HERE YEE HERE YEE OP IS A FAGGOT BUT WE CANNOT KNOW FOR SURE IF HE ISNT IN FACT HIS OWN FATHER SUCKING HIS OWN COCK AND THIS DOESNT EVEN MAKE SENSE BUT WE CANT KNOW FOR SURE.

>inb4
>umad

You cannot know for certain whether or not I even exist, much less imply a certain emotional state by observing a few random posts on a Chinese imageboard, fucktard boi, at least not if you want to be a real agnostic. And you want that, don't you, boi?

>>5561391
>How arrogant can you be to completely omit the possibility of a higher power, something beyond human and scientific understand is responsible for the creation of the universe?

How arrogant can you be to assert the possibility of a "higher power"? To know full-well that every philosophical and scientific description of what we hold to be reality resides within various semantic models, nothing external, yet construct a semantic God-construct and pretending that it's external to the semantic model.

Atheists don't "Know" god exists, they just don't believe in it

>>5561414

I'm not American and you've twisted the point immensely. Nice fancy words though, have you been using wikipedia?

>>5561418
Atheists "know" that 'God' is an abstracted semantic construct created by man within a Non-Aristotelian semantic framework.

>>5561415

>How arrogant can you be to assert the possibility of a "higher power"?
>Possibility

It would be arrogant NOT to. I am not claiming that one exists, I am acknowledging the possibility. And given the fact that we know just the tip of the iceberg about the universe and its origins, it would be illogical not to consider the possibility.

>>5561433
so you completely misunderstood the rest of the post?

>>5561425
>Nice fancy words
I agree, agnostic is a very fancy way of saying REEEEEEEEETARD.

It has one syllable more and sounds very sofistikatet and interlectual.

>>5561414
Dude... Settle the fuck down. You do realise that you're mixing agnosticism with your very embittered and basic conception of relativism, right?

If you truly are someone who adheres to scientific principles, you'd know that what you've been saying in this thread is the equivalent of 'if you can't observe it, it doesn't exist.' I guess atoms didn't exist before electron microscopes then.

Acting like an idiot and yelling "LA LA LA AD HOMINEM IF I CAN'T SEE IT, IT DOESN'T EXIST!" is the least intellectual argument for atheism.

If you're just trolling and not as much of an idiot as you seem, then 6/10.

>>5561425
how's it hanging, agnostic-boi?
Do you like my dick? Do you want me to pull out before I cum in your mouth? What's that boi? You don't know for certain?

>>5561439

I actually stopped reading after the first sentence because I felt an urgent need to address how fucking moronic you are.

>>5561441

Where are you from?

>>5561447
I'm agnositc about if that little maggot you worship is even a dick.

>>5561447

I believe there is a banana stuck up your ass.

What's that? You are absolutely certain you want me to pour scalding hot oil on your balls?

>>5561444
>if you can't observe it, it doesn't exist
If there's absolutely no evidence supporting the existence and the existence of it explains absolutely nothing about what we observe, then yes, it's bordering clinical-retardation to believe it may just as well exist as not.

If you're going to base your likelyhood claims of the existence of monotheistic entities on epistemological uncertainty, there's nothing for that argument to stop there and you have to be equally open about tooth fairies and my omnipotent, omnimalevolent phallus.

If you go by evidence there's absolutely 0 reason to believe in the existence of god. Therefore you're a retard.
quod erat demonstratum

>>5561455
>I actually stopped reading after the first sentence because I felt an urgent need to address how fucking moronic you are.
If you could have managed two sentences, you would have discovered why your stance was wrong, and wouldn't have revealed yourself to be the moron. It seems you are clinging to a belief, your misguided "but everything could be possible," and lack the philosophical knowledge to know why everyone else laughs at you.

Are you retards serious? These aren't mutually exclusive positions.

>>5561466

Philosophy is bullshit and has no relevance in today's society. Nobody laughs at me for my lack of philosophical knowledge because most people in the real world are not autists who drown themselves in pseudo-intellectual philosophical texts. If you want to be smart get a degree in physics and come back. But in the mean time don't bring your philosophical bullshit, with all your fucking metaphysics(lol xD) and ethics and faggot Nietzsche into this.

>>5561477

lol nice dubs

>>5561477
lol. I rest my case.

>>5561243

>>5561477
>Philosophy is bullshit and has no relevance in today's society. Nobody laughs at me for my lack of philosophical knowledge because most people in the real world are not autists who drown themselves in pseudo-intellectual philosophical texts. If you want to be smart get a degree in physics and come back. But in the mean time don't bring your philosophical bullshit, with all your fucking metaphysics(lol xD) and ethics and faggot Nietzsche into this.

"Fuck philosophy and study physics." Contemporary Anti-atheism. Not. Even. Once.

>>5561477

>he's a philistine on /lit/

Holy fucking shit.

>>5561243

As an atheist I have to say that I am repulsed by the faggotry in the atheist community. People like >>5561463
>>5561414

Are the type of morons who become atheists because they think it makes them some kind of modern day enlightened Einstein. It's pathetic. That being said atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god. In all fairness I could classify myself as an agnostic atheist.

>>5561485
It's a rule violation to announce reports.

>>5561463
Except that what you're doing in this thread hasn't really been debating a difference between epidemiological viewpoints, but rather you've been fighting over which idealogical identity is the best identity.

Atheism and agnosticism aren't mutually exclusive. Science and god aren't mutually exclusive.

What you're arguing about isn't atheism and agnosticism, you're simply defending your very prescriptivist rationalism. There's a reason the term 'scientism' has come into existence, and for the most part is pejorative. You're that reason.

>>5561504
>as an atheist

Please go back to reddit. Your posting style is so fucking obvious.

>>5561505
It's not an announcement, it's a suggestion and how-to.

>>5561516

Stop telling me what to do

Religious ppl and edgy something-something-agnostics with the "just as bad" thing are really starting to annoy me more than atheists to be honest.

I partake on the casual Harris-bashing like everyone else but from an angle of indifferent, detached lack of religion.

>>5561524

That's weird. Atheists piss me off more than religious people. They are too vocal and euphoric.

>>5561524
All new atheist posting is shitposting on /lit/. Report it.

>>5561511
>Atheism and agnosticism aren't mutually exclusive.
OP is implying they are, that's the whole fucking point of this thread. (And the one I have been ridiculing.)

Are you really this fucking retarded to not yet have gotten the point?

>What you're arguing about isn't atheism and agnosticism, you're simply defending your very prescriptivist rationalism.
No, I'm making fun of people using epistemological uncertainty as an argument for the existence of anything.

Epistemological uncertainty is almost absolute, there's nothing we can really ever know. Therefore we have to be agnostic about everything.

The fucktard who created this thread however is trying to imply that we somehow can know things for sure in other areas of our daily lives but magically have to be agnostic when it comes to questions about theistic entities.

Since you failed to discern my ridicule of OP's fucktardation from my own beliefs I have no other choice but to label you a fucktard boi.
That's just the way it is now, sorry, fucktard boi.

But see, fucktard boi, it's not all that bad, because, fucktard boi, being a fucktard, fucktard boi, isn't all about being fucktarded, isn't that right, fucktard boi?

Well, enough philosophy for today, ok fucktard boi? I'm sure you're exhausted from gagging as much as you already did during these few exchanges.

So long, fucktard boi.

>>5561530

God I'd love to rape your ass with a knife

8/10

>>5561528
Maybe it's because 4chan is the only online community I really visit, and here at least the rly mature/serious agnostics outnumber atheists three to one

>>5561538

Probably

>>5561538
Atheists aren't all new atheists.

>>5561543
yeah bro, we know, we've been told so by someone like you every day for the past 5 years

>>5561550
Being a condescending dick doesn't mean your opinion is good, it makes no one intelligent reply to you.

I'm really starting to think "new atheists" now are probably ok people and the really annoying, preachy and manipulable of their numbers jumped the Agnostic/Not All Atheists bandwagon a long ago

in this thread : religious tolerance in action

>>5561562
A good portion of the "atheists" who post on /lit/ is actually just shitposting by religious people.

>>5561256
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We're on our way.

>>5561524
>I partake on the casual Harris-bashing like everyone else but from an angle of indifferent, detached lack of religion.

But that is Harris' stance.