/lit/ - Literature

>>5543844
You turned into a big whining baby?

>>5543844
I'm taking that picture to shoop a fedora onto it at a later date.

Just so you know. It will be me - Anonymous.

I have this friend who insists on going into any and every book store we walk past, when we're out. Visiting one with them generally consists of aimlessly walking around the isles, possibly picking up the odd book and having a flick through, but for the most part its just him pointing to random books that he thinks have interesting covers and then asking me what they're about, as if I've ever read them. He picks out shit too. It's fucking infuriating. I always make sure to steer clear of bookstores when I'm around this person now.

Why do fedoras always take the "I'm such a reasonable agnostic" stance? You gain nothing by admitting that you cannot prove his non-existence. It doesn't make you look smarter or anything. Imagine the same "agnostic vs atheism" scenario with respect to ghosts, Santa Clause or aliens. When someone says "Santa Clause doesn't real", do you really think it'll make you appear more intellectual to say "You cannot know for certain, maybe he is real"?

earring

also god meme stuff

They are right next to each other in the same section so no problem

>>5543899
Maybe, at least god has explanatory value.

Who's to say?

>>5543893
>walking around the isles
is your bookstore on an archipelago?

>>5543899
>implying the standard definitions of ghosts, Santa Clause or aliens are unfalsifiable
Are you implying the converse is true? That using argument from ignorance makes you an intellectual?

Was that yfw because you didn't know where they were located and your embarrassment manifested itself in anger?

>>5543999
⇒at least god has explanatory value.

What does he explain? No new knowledge is gained from relabeling your ignorance with the name "god". God is a non-answer.

>>5544017
Show me an experiment disproving Santa Clause.

>>5544042
camp out by the chimney on christmas eve

instead of some fat guy with a white beard making his way down witness your dad putting gifts out by the tree while your mom eats all the cookies and milk like the pig whore she is

:^)

>>5544029
What does he explain? The universe you ignoramus.

>>5543999
>god has explanatory value

>>5544061
How does he explain the universe? Merely saying "god did it, it's magic" is not an explanation. By what mechanism did he create it and why?

>>5544088
great argumentation

>>5544061
>moving one unexplainable thing to another
That has zero explanatory power.

>>5544094
do I really need to pose an argument against such a ridiculous assertion?

okay, here goes:

no, "goddidit" has no explanatory power, nor is it falsifiable, nor does it allow for predictions

>>5544055
Santa is invisible and he works in mysterious ways. Checkmate, Scrooges.

>>5544092
The full explanation is actually in the book of genesis. God is an omnipotent being, he can do anything.

>>5544092
>>5544104
it shifts responsibility to explain things up to a higher sphere. that may be unsatisfactory to you, but belief in God does effectively absolve us from needing to understand our own existence, because an entity greater than us understands it

in other words, if I believe in God but you don't, neither of us understand why the universe was created, but I no longer think it's my problem to figure that out

>>5544104
>Its not falsifiable

Thats probably because its not a fucking scientific assertion, its a metaphysical explanation for nature of the universe.

hurrrrrr

>>5544122
Prove it.

>>5544128
>a metaphysical explanation

It's not an explanation of anything. It's taking a knowledge gap and relabeling it "god".

>>5544127
>>5544122
⇒"I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world."
-- Richard Dawkins

>>5544127
So you're intellectually lazy and a bit of a dullard, gotcha.

>>5544133
There is absolutely nothing that can prove gods existence. Which is why he asks his disciples to have faith in his existence.

Asking for proof makes me think you dont actually want to understand metaphysics, but simply want advantage in the conversation.

>>5544139
>>5544145
I'm not religious, I was just trying to explain why I think belief in God does have explanatory power in a kind of roundabout way

>>5544122

>what caused these things for which we cannot find a cause?
>must be some thing that causes all the things for which we cannot find a cause

some explanation

>>5544138
Wrong, its an explanation for the existence of the universe.

>>5544128

>metaphysical

this is an interesting word, but what does it mean in the context of "explanations"

>>5544166
Depends on your opinion.

>>5544162
It's an explanation for your utter lack of intelligence.

>>5544173
I see we've regressed into banal name calling.

How typical.

>>5544151
But as I keep saying, it categorically doesn't have explanatory power. By definition it explains nothing.

It is a defense against change and intellectual work. A get out of jail free card for the intellectually lazy.

>>5544162
No it's not because you're not explaining anything.

We're cuddling up together and reading a scary story at night and there's a spooky bump sound. You ask me what the bump sound is and I say it's a ghost. That's not an explanation because it explains nothing. It's simply filling in a knowledge gap with something that can never be falsified, and religious people use this property (unfalsifiable) to cling vehemently to their childish, narcissistic beliefs.

>>5544162
>>5544151
It doesn't explain shit. It's literally another way of saying "I don't know".

>>5544184

that's not a good example because ghosts don't have to unfalsifiable, nor does God really

the reason why God is usually not an explanation for the universe is because God is partially defined as "that which is capable of creating the universe", so when you ask what is capable of creating the universe? and your answer is "that which is capable of creating the universe", you've said nothing.

>>5544184
Regardless of whether you like it or not its still an explanation. There are no gaps in knowledge, the entire explanation is in the book of genesis.

Also, stop speaking on falsifiability, God has nothing to do with science. All you're doing is going in circles making non-points trying to fight against something you cant.

>>5544212
My explanation for how embarrassingly retarded your posts are is that the stork dropped you on your head multiple times before delivering you to your parents' doorstep.

>>5544212

falsifiability has to do with explanation though

if God has nothing to do with science then he has nothing to do with explanation either

>>5544203
I do know, god created the universe.

>>5544223
Falsifiability has to do with scientific explanation.

>>5544237

what other kind of explanation is there?

>>5544222
Im just trying to answer your questions, i dont think ive said anything wrong.

Even if i did i wouldnt know because no one has refuted anything ive said thus far.

>>5544243
metaphysical

>>5544246
I just refuted it anon, and explained why you are wrong. The stork dropped you on your head multiple times before delivering you to your parents' doorstep.

It has nothing to do with science, the explanation is right there above. All you're doing is going in circles making non-points trying to fight against something you cant.

>>5544225
But who created god?????

CHECKM8

>>5544253
>metaphsyics
>explanation

I don't think you understand what "explanation" is.

>>5544243

final
efficient
formal
material

properly construed you can't use them to assert shit without demonstration.

>>5544256
You've refuted nothing, you're just calling me names and repeating my own posts.

>>5544264
Metaphysics explains why the world exists.

So ya i do understand.

>>5544270
I did refute it. I provided an explanation as to why you are wrong. It's all right there.

>>5544267

i guess that works, the "formal cause" is really ambiguous though

>>5544291
All i see you doing is blithering like an angry school child.

>>5544305
No one is angry. I simply provided the explanation to why you are wrong. It's all right there in my post.

>>5544315
No, it isnt.

>>5544322
Yes it is.

>>5544339
>denial

>>5544352

this poster >>5544339 definitely did explain why God is not a satisfactory causal explanation of anything

what's your angle bro?

>>5544352
>denial

Wow you're right. My stork story is exactly like Christfags who think god is an explanation of anything!

>>5544368
Whats satisfactory is entirely relative to the individual. Like i said before, God has nothing to do with science.
>>5544370
It definitely is an explanation of the universe. Whether you think its valid or not is your opinion but that doesnt change the fact that it is a serious attempt at an explanation.

>>5544405
My stork definitely is an explanation of why you are mentally deficient. Whether you think its valid or not is your opinion but that doesnt change the fact that it is a serious attempt at an explanation.

>>5544428
True, thank you for proving my point.

>not punching her in the face

>>5547072
>Christian charity at work
Prick

>>5543844
I think you should help her find a circular-headpiece.

>>5543850
Sounds about right

>>5547226
Our good deeds are like filthy rags.