/lit/ - Literature

>>5531587
Be a good writer, that would solve your problem, now wouldn't it?

>>5531587
>Alternatives to the "Three-act structure"?
the 'five-act structure'

>>5531748
Like this?

>>5532502
So the MOMENT Shakespeare get's fully erect he climaxes? That fucking sucks.

>>5531587
What is Pynchon's structure? That'd be a funny graphic.

>>5532533
For most his stories it's a parabola, as entropy decreases to order and gradually descends into chaos and oblivion.

>>5531639
Because a good author is born, right?

>>5531587
There is not much you can change about the general structure as in "tension rising in the last act", since alternatives would be boring. (or muh literaly fiction: I'm too cool to have a plot)

Best you can do is having mini climaxes during the first arcs to make it "less flat" and starting in medias res.

>>5532557
>Because a good author is born, right?
Yes.

Sophocles does not need to invent retarded pomo structures to write some of the greatest tragedies ever. Same for Shakespeare or Racine. Perhaps you are just talentless and should off yourself.

>>5532574
Greek drama structure was well established and pretty rigid so I don't think you know what you're talking about.

>>5532574
>implying they all didn't learn from their predecessors

Besides, they use the same fucking structure, though not sure about Racine.

>>5532582
That's what I'm saying.

>>5531587
>Vonnegut

Try the penis structure.

>>5532612
>Kafka

Heh.

>>5532603
Oh, well, neither the Greeks nor Shakespeare used 3-act structure so it was confusing.

>>5532654
The Greeks used a five-act structure which is basically a three-act structure: the tragic character is born/marked with something; something happens at the top of which this mark unveils everything; everyone dies.

In a comedy the same thing takes place, yet people don't die.

But yeah, I get what you mean.

bamp

>>5532624
I think i once saw one like that for The Odyssey

>>5531587
>freeing all the people from the matrix
>integrating the real world into the matrix
>using the machines to rebuild the real world mimicking the matrix
>neo becomes the jesus
>real world is the new heaven

What about japanese literature?

>>5533520
five syllables explore the idea
seven syllables twist it
five syllables are left to meditate on and serve as a koan

Can someone tell me the plot structure of Eeeee Eeee Eee. I just took it as a bunch of amusingly sarcastic events.

>>5533520
In theatre both No and Kabuki divide each movement in three acts, I think they named them preparation, development and explosion.

>>5533563
Zizke says it's
>setting
>action
>pure meaning
But I don't like his definition too much

Plot is for plebs.
>>5532557
>or muh literaly fiction: I'm too cool to have a plot
Fuck off

just have a 3 act structure that is that one flipped so it starts with the big action and next two acts are just the fallout

>>5533862
But, three acts... isn't this a limitation?

>>5533957
lots of things are limitations m8 but limitations can actually make it easier to be innovative

>>5531587
There are no alternatives. No matter what the work, it can be explained through the three act system or it can be a really shitty "third act" that is hardly worth reading. Just make your writing interesting and stop thinking about it so much.

>>5533957
>>5533982
For example, if I draw a floor. Now you can go left or right, you can walk wherever. But you are less free.

>>5531587
Strong tension building and multiple extended teasings / false climaxes.

>>5534139
>extended teasings / false climaxes

One of the great forgotten bands of woodstock.

Believe it or not, you can superimpose any sort of "structure" on any sort of plot.

These, along with the "plot maps" of books like Infinite Jest, have completely and thoroughly bamboozled most people of /lit/.

>>5534173
>using quotes to trivialize things

simply exquisite

>>5534190
>using greentext to misrepresent and trivialize things
ISHYGDDT

Best structure for love stories?

this needs a bump

>>5536273
meet----fuck----kill

in that order, unless its a horror love story, then it goes kill--meet---fuck

>>5538958
why not kill---fuck--meet

>>5533982
>>5534001
>>5534008
Then I shouldn't care about structures? I don't want to fail in basic things.

>>5536273
rom coms go:

meet --- fuck and be happy --- big argument --- get back together

Four part structure.

First to parts are the normal three part ones, third is a change of scenes, where you get to meet and know new characters and their hardships, fourth is resolution where the third part is shown to have significant meaning to the happenings in the 1st and 2nd part.

>>5532502
lol what 9th grade english teacher makes this bullshit

shakespeare plays do not climax in act 3

>>5533957
but but but... only words! That's a limitation! I want sounds in my novel too! And pictures! No limitations on my book!

pic related, fantastic piece of art

>>5532574
edgy

>>5531587
there's a japanese style where nothing really happens, you're just meant to see the similarities and contrast between A and B

>>5543023

i like this a lot

>>5543023
Infinite Jest is next on my backlog. What should I expect, beyond tennis and footnotes?

>>5543023
Thanks anon, now I don't have to bother with reading this.

>>5542811
What is this called?

>>5543068
Expect not a lot of boring things. Unless you only read thrillers.

>>5543484
Supotto da difaransu

>>5543484
SoL

>>5543484
Murakami

>>5532624
Ah, the guideline for the famous post-modern masterpiece "The Legacy of Totalitarianism in a Tundra."

>3 stage
>5 stage
Plebs. Six stage is where it's at.

>>5546659
It looks like a division of the three stage structure

Three act structure is for movies. Most novels I've read don't follow that structure.

In movies you don't have an alternative because you need to tell a story in a very limited time. You can deviate from it a bit though. Or completely disregard it if you are shooting an indie/art movie but hollywood producers won't let you do that.

>>5546789
Same with books though. You can ignore plot and structure and write a special snowflake novel for a limited audience or follow the basics and write the equivalent of a hollywood blockbuster. Hell, you still have tons of freedoms more even with structure.

Umineko model: Belated climax. The actual climax comes in the epilogue, after the resolution.
Zaregoto modelt: Double resolution. The initial resolution was based on a lie/misunderstanding and the major one comes in the epilogue.

>>5547350
Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (Fincher version) pleasantly surprised me in this regard.

Never read the book. I heard it's kinda standard.

Episodic.
Each episode will probably have something like a "three act structure" though.

>>5548530
Never thought about that.

>having any curve at all
>not just a straight line instead

don't tell me you read for the plot

>>5548572
I agree. My book is just a sequence of of sweet-sounding phrases length 1-7 words long in no particular arrangement and without punctuation, i.e. plebiation.

>find a chemical reaction
>show plot of energy released or something interesting
>mimicking structure with graph
>congrats you just based your story on a chemical reaction

>>5532612
>Man in hole

Heh

>>5532612
explain kafka to me

>>5548623
>Gregor Samsa wakes up as a bug in the first sentence
>Joseph K. is arrested in the first sentence

pretty much everything goes downhill from the very start

>>5548644
Kafka's is the most lifelike of all structures -

there is no gentle introduction giving you time to get acquainted with everything, there is no solution in which every strand of story is neatly put into its place, it's all just a confusing act 2, coming from nowhere, going nowhere, making you feel like shit. You know there's no escape but you keep on acting your part.

>>5531587
The 'Keeler'

>>5548530
Hey, is not a bad idea. You just made me remember Alan Wake.

Tristram Shandy is such a gentleman the readers with graphs to explain his novel's structure.

Tristram Shandy is such a gentleman he provides the readers with graphs to explain his novel's structure.

>>5548879
this is cringe worthy

>>5550890
sorry it's genius actually

>>5550890
>cringe worthy
you don't even know what that means do you, you just blurt it out at things

>>5550913
I would be impressed if the story structure turned out to be another sentence written in long hand.

>>5532502
>>5531587
Essentially, I think, you can describe every story in two words: something happens. that implies a before and after. I guess you can stretch it out, but the core principle stays the same.

>>5550890
Fuck u it's hilarious

>>5538958
Can I still use this formula for my horror love story even though there are only two characters in it?

>>5548879
autism