/lit/ - Literature

>>5313284
OP, can you help me please?

I didn't want to start a thread for this since the sticky tells us not to do this sort of thing, but I'm so unknowledgeable about literature in general, that I must ask someone.


I'm trying to get into books which discuss reality and shit like that. Cavern allegory and stuff.

Is that book a good book to get into it, and what more can you guys recommend?

I thank you all in advance!

>>5313311
Primum Graeci

>reading penguin books

Oh my.

>>5313492
>reading

Oh my.

>>5313492
What's wrong with penguin books?

>>5313501
>not knowing what's wrong with penguin books

Aren't you supposed to spit-shine my shoes, plebeian?

>>5313506
lel

>>5313284
I can't even compherend what you were trying to say here. You received a greek statue?

>>5313506
8/10

From the short stories thread

>>5313532
he expected to read something lame
it was mind-blowing

>>5313506
>>5313492
Is this some epic maymay

>>5313532
Literal autism right here

>>5313532
This confirms it.
Either /lit is a bunch of spergers and basement dwellers, or a bunch of kids trying to feel special.

>>5313538
lel

>>5313284
Can someone post the Infinite Jest one?

>>5313779
Should have added Benji in there somewhere

Someone post the template, I'm about to ruffle up a few flooter futters to dingle my shiggledigglies.

>>5313797

>>5313472
>latin

FUCK
better one here niggas

>>5314614

Gotta agree here

>>5314566
top fucking lel

>>5314762

>>5313284

does anyone have the full version of the little philosopher heads in the middle?

>>5313538
Loling

>>5314790
Vonnegut is reddit tier hack

>>5314822

I am sad for you that you will never enjoy the many great books of such an awesome writer

>2014
>still no ono sendai to shitpost

>>5314822
>typed by reddit tier shit-poster

>>5314822
XXD Xp ;P xd

>>5314807

Congrats. My first post of the year is to deliver for you.

>>5314807

>>5314832
I just finished Count Zero today. Can't wait to start Mona Lisa Overdrive tomorrow. What a wonderful series of books these are turning out to be.

>>5316238
I saw goodwill's auction site was selling an autographed copy of Mona Lisa Overdrive for $10 with no bids on it. Tempting..

Captcha:heychile syllogisms

>>5316242
You should grab it. A neat thing that is.

>>5316279
This is insanely accurate and I couldn't help but like it. Shukhov was a nice narrator.

>>5313284
actually what the fuck was part 4 about. I read *so slowly* and wtf is he even SAYING?

like this: "oedipus would be nothing if the symbolic position of an object from on high, in the despotic machine, did not first make possible the following and flattening operations that will constitute Oedipus in the modern social field: the triangulations *cause*."

like wtf are you saying you crazy old man.

>>5316299
part 3*

>>5313794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLwXda7pc8w

>>5316376
In all honesty, though, it was a bit of both.

>>5316299
it's obvious that he's stating the system made the dude fuck his mother

>>5314871
>>5314875
>Pythagoras
>Galieo
>Newton
>Darwin
>Lenin
>Rorty

No
>Empedocles
>Aurelius
>Dante
>Voltaire
>Dostoevsky

shit list/10

>>5313492
>>5313501
>>5313506
>>5313529
>>5313534

actually what's wrong with penguin?

>>5316436
It's pretentious teenagers being pretentious teenagers. It's the equivalent of pretending to not like a band once they sign to a major label.

>>5314822
I see you've generated a lot of butthurt but I entirely agree.

>>5316461
But relatively penguin is cheap and easy to find

>>5313284

>>5313538
well done.

>>5314875
>Zizek scratching his nose
I lol'd and so on

>>5316316
accurate.

>>5316202

lol

He goes off the deep end, but not in the right way ...

>>5316718
Someone should make thread about some good literary pornography, ib4 sade and that one woman and story of O

>>5313284

>>5316376
top kek

>>5313284

>>5316461
not liking something because of its association with pretention is so fucking pretentious

>>5316436
the most common complaints I hear about penguin are that they are made of poor quality materials and will fall apart or that they pick terrible art for the covers and that the black makes them look like shit on a bookshelf

I personally like hardcovers with purty bindings but if you don't have two shekels to rub together or are just interest the text then don't see whats wrong with penguin

>>5316903
>pick terrible art
I don't know about bookshelves and the printing material, but when I see penguin art I always think it's quite good

pic related

>>5313284
any of the Brothers Karamasov ?

>>5316316

don't forget neckbeardy misogyny

>>5317326

Still my favourite (warning NSFW).

>>5317648
It looks interesting. Where can I order that one?

>>5316903

> hey are made of poor quality materials

well that's the whole purpose of penguin books - to publish a huge catalogue of cheap books, of course the quality is not excellent

> they pick terrible art for the covers

that's debatable. I appreciate most of their covers.

> the black makes them look like shit on a bookshelf

also debatable.

> personally like hardcovers with purty bindings

everyone prefers hardcovers, the thing is, they are fucking expensive.

> if you don't have two shekels to rub together or are just interest the text then don't see whats wrong with penguin

voila. There's not wrong with Penguin if you understand that their purpose is to publish good literature with low costs. You dont buy penguin as a collector, you buy penguin because you're a fucking broken student and likes to read.

I just spent some time making some new templates for you guys because Impact fucking blows.

>>5317714
fuck off impact is great

>>5317714

Here's a blue one.

>>5317719

You fuck off, it is so bad it is the universal font for maymays. C'mon, man.

Here's a green one.

>>5317714
>>5317721
>>5317727
what is wrong with you

>>5317742

I think they look good and I am autistic

>>5317747
clearly

not bad anon

>>5317747
I didn't think I was autistic, but I really prefer these to the Impact one so now I think I am autistic.

>>5317793

Thanks man. That is all the validation I needed.

>>5317775
>everything is great

>not everything is awesome

>>5317787
Is that the Terrible Trivium? Otherwise pretty accurate

>>5317821

yeah bro ptb 4lyfe

>>5317727
>comic sans

>>5317832

It's Poetsen One.

>being this bad at recognizing fonts

>>5317824

Did you only read the epilogue?

Pretty sure the landscape in the novel is the antithesis of that picture. Unless you were just going for a general, lots of talk about landscape thing, in which case I agree.

>>5317864
You sorta answered your own question.

>>5317868
So is it chock full of lies or what? Cause I wanted to buy it and I wanna know

>>5317881
No what I got from it is that the opposition nihilism (read: scientific realism) faces in academia is the same opposition that realist thinking faces in general from the masses who want to delude themselves to be happy even and especially when contrary to any and all evidence.

>>5317893
K m8, thanks. I'll pick it up then.

>>5317897
Feel free to skip chapters 4, 5 and 6 though, the prose in there is turgid as fuck and they're more book reviews/criticism of obscure and not so well known philosophers more than just Ray putting his own ideas forth, if you're not continentally oriented that is. His basic thesis of anti-vitalism nihilist rationalism is basic enough.

>>5316409
they forgot kant and camus too

are you guys seriously using the new le templates

>>5317805
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y

>>5317920
I can never understand how you morons don't see this before you post.

>>5317920
lmao I'm retarded

>>5317929
I've never done one of these before and I didn't look at it before I posted it, also my brain is the size of a baby's and I like to hit it with hammers

>>5317937
You've never in your entire life used paint before?

>>5317929
I find that it's cute

>>5317946
only on my house

>>5317920
I fixed it and now every agrees that I am smart and good.

>>5317955
Public displays of utter incompetence is cute?

I find it immensely sad.

>>5317967
What a sad person you must be.

>>5317965
this is about right

>>5317977
I don't feel sad. Just not happy all the time.

I have been criticized for having an overly serious demeanor, but I have always discredited it as being said for the sole purpose of saying.

>>5317714
>>5317721
>>5317727
>>5317853
>being this autistic
>holy fuck
>HOLY FUCK

i am leaving /lit/

>>5317920
i laugh out loud everytime someone forgets to crop, it's hilarious

>>5317917
Kant is already on there.
So at least it isn't complete trash.

>>5317908
This. 100% correct, down to the chapter selection.

>>5313284
I found the proper template for OP.
Because you are a faggot.

>>5318159
Wow buddy! You're a funny guy.

>>5316759
lel

>>5318321
Is this worth reading? I love his graphic novels.

>>5318597
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Moore
He prefers the term "comic" to "graphic novel."[5]

>>5318597
I was very impressed. The first chapter might be tough because of the perspective.

>>5317471
lolz! nice

>>5318025
Source on that nun picture, please.

>>5313538
Hemingway didn't write that story.

>>5314762
sounds about right

>>5316299
stay pleb faggot

>>5320598
>Quebecois detected

>>5320609
Yeah it was ghostwritten by Capote.

>>5316299
Schizoanalysis is best ever.

All else is fascist.

>>5317775
top fucking kek

>>5320638
heh.

>>5313538

kek

>>5320665
>reads books written in finnish
pysy plebeijinä

>>5317832
>doesn't know what comic sans looks like

>>5314950
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>>5322345
What did you expect?

>>5313284
Check 'em!

>>5322799
Preaching to the choir and not-so-sound argumentation, considering the niche topic and my lack of previous acquaintance with Benatar, maybe I should have picked a more obvious "preacher" pic.

>>5313284
Fun fact : I saw the Agamemnon mask.
I'm a nobody tho

>>5314871
I don't know why, but that Machiavelli had me on the floor.

Good book

>>5322980
What exactly are you trying to say with this one?

>>5317727
de koening is fucked on that font
also looks gay

>>5317727
ALLCAPS

fuck that

>>5314875
>marcuse
>habermas
>no adorno
>no horkheimer
fak

>>5323015
Well, it's just amazing how imaginative the author is, and the precision of his descriptions is mechanic, as well as his main character's inventions.
It's awesome.

>>5323116
well to be fair, marcuse got more international recognition, precisely because he did that watered-down, entry level critical theory thing.

>>5323116
and freud, russel and wittgenstein after beauvoir and sartre

>>5314566
He was the original troll wasn't he?

>>5317471
haha the latin translations in the middle picture are so bad.

>>5317692
>everyone prefers hardcovers
not true

>>5317714
>>5317721
>>5317727
Dude, I love you.

What font are these?

>>5318025
>>5318050
forty keks

>>5317692
>everyone prefers hardcovers
if I'm reading a book for school or plan on reading the book outside the house, nope, paperback all the way. if I want it displayed on my bookshelf, hell yeah it better be hardcover and better yet, leatherbound

>>5313284

>>5313779
>>5314950
>>5316785
>>5317476
>>5317824
spot on

>>5320655
How accurate is this?
This is going to be the next book I read after I finish what I'm currently on.

>>5326502
extremely accurate, but the book is still great
eco is one of the most esoteric authors ever, he's like joyce and pynchon without delving into low-brow stuff

>>5326502
It's more like a version of Trivial Pursuit in which every question was written by Borges.

>>5316279
lmao exactly right, you forgot eating a ton of oatmeal

>>5323116
>complaining that there is no Adorno
You should kill yourself.

>>5314566
kek

>>5326731
Overall, it was a great book. Would read the entire series/10.

>>5313284

>>5326789
I've been meaning to read Flashman for some time...do I start with the first one?

>>5326799
Yes. It's written in a style that you're meant to follow it volume by volume, like it's the guy's memoirs. In fact, they're written in that exact style. The author wrote it so well that, when it was published, people were wondering just who the hell this Flashman guy was.

Flashman is fictional, though. He's from a book from the 1850s called Tom Brown's Schooldays, where he was a bully.

But, yeah, it is totally worth it. It's one of those series where you're not supposed to sympathize or like Flashman, because he's a craven, dishonorable, lying, cheating bastard, but you just end up liking him.

I tried, but it's a hard book to capture.

>>5317965
Put the What I Got in psychodelic colors and with lots of golden fangs and you're right.

>>5316693
So... it's worth it?

>>5316279
Is there a better version of this book? Something based in a gulag.

>>5327152
I read this yesterday. I don't understand your image.

Is that ribbon a symbol of autism?

>>5327152

>>5316370

>>5327212
>what I read
osamua dazai - no longer human
>what I expected
Y U NO CHECK DOUBLES
>what I got
we're solving the puzzle together

>>5327235
Too soon.

>>5327286
But that's terrible.

>>5313284
spoiler

>>5314875
foucault doesn't look mean enough

>>5314614
accurate

>>5325518
Those Barnes and Noble classics are shit though don't deny it.

>>5323000
It is. Shame the second one sucks so much

>>5316409
Have you ever heard of Pythagoreanism? He had quite a cult. Also Galileo should be there because of how much he showed up Aristotle.

>>5326550
>eco is one of the most esoteric authors ever, he's like joyce and pynchon without delving into low-brow stuff

Fucking this, I tried reading him in French translation and I had to give up before the end of the first chapter.

>>5326731
Oh, you.

>>5326781
Hehe, you should have watched Welles' movie after the book

Bump

>>5327252
that is shit

>>5316692

any sauce on those paintings, especially the largest one?

first one of these I've done

>>5329816
The smaller one is some orientalist thing. I'm not familiar with the larger one. It could be old, but it looks too fanciful like it could be a modern digital piece.

Have some Ivan Aivazovsky as consolation. Check out the rest of his stuff. The anons like him

>>5329859
First Chesterton, too, right?

>>5329873
yes

I've been on a bit of a Philip K Dick binge

>>5329870

this is also good, thank you

I just realized that these threads are what keeps /lit/ going.. Easily 80% here aren't reading much at all and these images help them arguing since they have no idea..

>>5313829
kek

>>5314950
why the fuck would you expect zombies?

>>5330033
Nice dubs.

>>5326866
Great job.

>>5327089
Yes.

>>5327252
kek'd

>>5329951
lotta people on 4chan can't give up the dick

>>5313284
Seriously, why would you recommend this to me?

>>5330790

>>5330806
>emos and hipsters in catcher in the rye
where?

>>5330806
>he didnt realise that it is a satire on teenage angst
back to middle school

>>5330806
Your critique was pitiful, as I expected.
Saying 'just what the generic teenager feels which is why it is so popular' is like saying '*insert Romanticist poet here*'s love poems suck because everyone can identify with what they're talking about, which is why it is so popular.'

Having relate ability to a character does not discredit a work.
>The book is about nothing except a self absorbed, arrogant, teenager who thinks he has it all figured out.
He has nothing figured out, that is one of the main concepts of the story. He constructs what he believes to be flawless and realistic opinions of society, which in reality are the result of inexperience, alienation and misunderstanding.

To think the book is popular because 'it identifies with the generic teenager' is completely missing the point. The book is a critique of 'the typical teenage angst'. It attacks Holden's views as nonsensical and destructive, hence what happens to him in the end.

To think this book was written for teenagers to identify with and use it as a 'bible' proves you have not given enough thought.

>>5330826
Not necessarily emo but Caulfield certainly is a emotionally unstable whiny jackass. Not even speaking of his homosexual tendencies.

And if you call every single person a "phony", while awarding honesty only to yourself (except when you've got an episode of self-pitying) and then adapt that to every possible situation (certain names are phony, certain subjects are phony etc. etc.) then in a broader sense you certainly are a fucking hipster, yeah.

All in all Holden is a self-important insufferable little bitch and the kind of person that would cause internet drama on social media nowadays.

>>5330863
and that is precisely what salinger wanted you to think of him

>>5330845
>>5330858

Nigga I didn't have a go at Salingers competence at depicting the whole affair.
That doesn't make Caulfield sufferable though.

>>5330877
hes not meant to be 'sufferable'

>>5330869
I'm fully aware of that.

>>5330863
he seemed more autistic/socially unaware than egotistical or vein
which I would say is more typical of modern hipsters

>>5330886
Right.
An that is why the "What I got" part is spot on.

>>5330899
not at all

>>5316279
you forgot the bread crusts, but other than that spot fucking on

>>5319007
interest peaked

>>5330900
>nope

Right...

Seriously though, fundamentally it is what you get. Of course there is the underlying motive of depicting such a character in a profound way but having that exact character as the narrative voice shifts the whole thing.

The experience while reading it is certainly not "Oh that line there is a satire of this aspect of youth and that resembles this aspect of inexperience" etc etc but more "Holy fuck I fucking hate you you little shit Jesus Christ what are you doing?"

I'd go so far and call it immersion.


Fucking hell man, think of a pic on 1984. Nobody would put an image on how to keep the status quo in an authoritarian state into the third panel, even though it essentially is what 1984 is about. So calm your tits.

>>5314822
also im better than you xd

>>5331094
I think it's hilarious that Vonnegut fans are totally unable to accept that some people think he is shitty. It's always this same bitchy sarcastic comment to let us all know you're offended, every fucking time.

>>5327304
>>5327443
>>5329890
>>5329934

cant decide which one to read

>>5331113
voyage obviously

>>5330937
If you get this bothered by a depiction of an angsty teenager then you probably were or are one yourself

>>5331108
Part of the appeal of Vonnegut is that he'll confirm all your views and not challenge you in anyway, providing you're in his target audience (16 to 21 year olds).

They can't into opposition.

>>5331078
nice

>>5330932
>peaked
Piqued

>>5331146
>if you're so deeply immersed in a story you're bothered by a characters actions you're automatically projecting

Of course anon. Of course.

>>5327370
You couls have just put the ride never ends for what youu got.

>>5314566
>implying Odysseus doesn't display how extensive knowledge and level-headedness can get you out of any situation.
>implying Odysseus wouldn't have returned within 2 years had it not been for his own crew's recklessness (bag of winds, sheep of helios)

>>5332456
>implying it was his crew's fault
>implying the P-dog wasn't tired of O's shit and wouldn't have prevented him from getting home no matter what

>>5332518
Apparently you didn't read the right novel.

>>5318025
why are nuns so hot

>>5332693
implied innocence, tainting something supposedly pure, breaking someone's commitment

>>5316759
lol'd

>>5313284
Where can I get the full set of cutey cartoonish philosophers like you have in the OP? I remember seeing all of them in one big jpg.

>>5329930
I thought that book was hilarious.

>>5329890
You forgot jewelry. I can't wait for the Amazon series, though.

>>5316311

what is this i don't even

>>5322408
> Kieltää äidinkielensä kirjallisuuden
> Ei plebeiji
Sokeus ja uho, se on sun tuho.

First time i do this

>>5336169
Next time, use one picture in in square.

These are meant to fast, quick jokes, not collages on how you felt sadness, statue of socrates, random words and/or stock photos..

>>5316311
What the fuck did I just saw.

>>5336188
But its about how the characters grow old and kept feeling that way.

>>5327212
Yes

>>5332765
yeah beckett's trilogy is the shit

>>5327252
fucking lol

>>5316202
really ?

>>5336188

Thanks Major Buzzkill.

>>5336469
Hey, man. Do things exactly how I want them done, next time, and I won't have to lay on the bitch horn so hard.

I take this piddling shit seriously.

>>5330806
whos the hipster looking guy in the right? He is extremely similar to a friend of mine. Like, probably the same person. I need to know

>>5314614
clueless is one of the best movies ever.

anyone know this feel?

>>5336027
so true for the cloth

>>5316801

essentially this. if you dislike something because of some weird perceived reputation, you're still a bandwagoning faggot, you're just jumping on a different bandwagon.

>>5336591
Phil Fish

these are all so meaningless

>>5326789
you actually expected it to not be stephen fry in blackadder goes forth? that character literally embodies flashman

>>5336843
basically, yeah.

Any of the Brothers Karamasov

>>5317976
Can I get the "hugging feelings" image please?

>>5336999
do the first two panels and I'll try and summarize it by filling in the third. it won't really be easy.

>>5337054
when i come back from the movies

>>5336672
Your image is way to cluttered.

This is better>>5317824

>>5337192
Your mum's ass is cluttered from muh dik

I loved this book.

>>5337054
well.... i have no idea really :)

>>5336436
Yes.
I mean, you still have the kinky stuff, but the books goes like:

-The cutie girl finds a son of a bitch.
-The guy wants to fuck her in the ass, whip her while he masturbates, etc. and further till the end of the book
-So, in order to justify all of this, he spends 4 pages saying that there is no god so he can do whatever he wants if it pleases him.
-Repeat again and again...

>>5316759
A hat?