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5314054 No.5314054[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

What fictional universe has the best metaphysics?

>> No.5314063

This one.

>> No.5314115
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5314115

>>5314054

>> No.5314296

>>5314115
That one's pretty neat.

>> No.5314304

>>5314115
Fuck off, butterface. You don't know shit about Borges. You are only circlejerking him because you got tired of circlejerking stirner.

>> No.5314332

>>5314304
I have two of his collections actually. The Stirner book hasn't arrived.
Also reading Fair Play and The Second Sex. Good stuff

>> No.5314344

>>5314332
>I have two of his collections actually
As do most people on this board. That essentially means nothing. Your fundamental problem is that you're incapable of recognizing your idiocy whereby you think that just reading them means everything. You're fucking stupid. Incapable of understanding shit. If you can't understand most of the shit discussed on /lit/, then you will understand fuck all of Borges. Please leave Borges to people that not dullards.

>The Second Sex
Again, you probably don't understand any of it.

>> No.5314351

>>5314344
Back the fuck off?!

>> No.5314368

>>5314351
>?!
your use of an interrobang is clear indication that you're an idiot like butterface.

>> No.5314377

>>5314054
The Elder Scrolls

>> No.5314395

>>5314344
I wish Sunhawk would come back.

>> No.5314405
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>>5314344
yeah you tell that slut

tell her GOOD

>> No.5314410

>>5314344
First I read "virtually nothing" now that you acknowledge my reading one of your favourite authors, you think I can't understand his stuff.
Ridiculous.
>If you can't understand most of the shit discussed on /lit/,
My understanding of anonymous undergrad conversations isn't any more impaired than your own.
>Again
It reads well actually. It's just huge. You haven't read it. I've read most of the intro parts and the chapter on lesbians

>>5314405
*Swats*

>> No.5314415

>>5314410
Butterfly why didyou post the panties stretch

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>>5314368
>Not getting this very well placed quote

>> No.5314426

>>5314410
Listen, you corpulent cunt, back the fuck off, get on a treadmill, and, finally, learn how to read before you continue to embarrass yourself, you 26 year old loser.

>> No.5314428

>>5314054
>metaphysics is magic

>> No.5314435

>>5314428
>implying it isn't

>> No.5314442

>>5314368
-grabs you by the throat- will you please shut the fuck up, she is my girlfriend you sick mother fucker

>> No.5314457

>>5314410
You do read "virtually nothing" and you shitpost about Stirner having never read him.
>Hasn't arrived yet
You've been saying that for a week and spouting retarded shit you don't understand on the topic for months.
>My understanding of anonymous undergrad conversations isn't any more impaired than your own.
Everyone on this entire board marvels at your ability to actually somehow become more retarded with every post you submit, and you know that. No matter how much a delusiona, broken dyke you are there is no way you don't realize that you get absolutely no respect because you are percieved as retarded. You're told this every day, all day because it's impossible to converse with you in any meaningful way because you're a sarcastic idiot.

>> No.5314462

>>5314435
>Implying it is

>> No.5314468

>>5314426
Oh, I see. You have me mistaken with someone else.

>>5314457
>Everyone on this entire board
Naw. That's just you.

>> No.5314504

>>5314468
>Everyone on this entire board
She's right about this, you know?

>> No.5314542

>>5314457
She doesnt' post anything interesting but she's tolerable, IMO.

>> No.5314554

>>5314054
Is there any fictional universe with a physics that comes down to something other than magic particles?

>> No.5314655
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>>5314554
It comes down to the will to power.

>> No.5314686

Shin Megagay Titsei

>> No.5315517

The Magicians by Whathisname is kind of cool. Magic is based on flaws/bugs/hacks in the underlying structure of the universe, which is implied to be superficially similar to a computer or something. Quentin's a little cunt, though, and the whole thing goes full fucking crazy at the end of the second book.

>> No.5315535

>>5315517
Huh, I've been wondering whether to try the second. Is it as fucked up as the first?

Also my vote is probably Brandon Sanderson's cosmere stuff. It might not be the best but it's probably one of the most thought out.

>> No.5315538
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The Nasuverse

>> No.5315550

>>5314115
was gonna post this

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>>5314054
The Elder Scrolls, hands-down.

>> No.5317313

>>5314115
Hell yes this one is great

>> No.5317359

I rather like Veronica by Nicholas Christopher

Magical realism but not written by a dirty spaniard mestizo.

>> No.5317362

>>5317002
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THE DRAGON BROKE?

>> No.5317366

>>5317362
ALL CRIES ARE WAKING!
Whitest White of all White!
Blackest Blacks of all Blacks!
Shame and Son, Sun, and Shadow!
Stronger than gods, brighter than mortals!
Only He is Awake!
Only He is Alive!
He Knows the Names and the Naming!
He Knows the Wait and the Waiting!
He Enters into every Star and Moon!
He Shines through their Shadows!
One Shape, One Spelling!
One Wraith, One Casting!
From Darkness, He is Armed!
From Light, He is Warded!
He is All Things!
Drake! Liche! Theomen!
On rivers of fire he comes forth!
Through storms of dreams he rides!
With slivers of steel he pierces the Heart!
All Spells, Powers, Curses Broken!
The Chains are Shattered!
The Scales Fall Away!
I see you with MY EYE!
And all is SILENCE!
I Wake! I Remember!
LORD!

>> No.5318468

>>5317002
Elder Scrolls fan here and wtf is this shit?

>> No.5318543

>>5318468
The moth priests read and interpret the elder scrolls and go mad in the process.

>> No.5318626

>>5318468
Imagine the "mind" God that has been bound in a semi-physical form.

All the information in the universe, along with concepts our mind cannot possibly understand compacted into a scroll. Essentially all of God, in a piece of God.

Now imagine you are reading this partchment. These priests train their entire lives to read the scrolls, for just merely seconds. The consequences of this include blindness, insanity, and in some cases fading into nothingness (zero-summing) after understanding a mere fraction of the scroll.

It's the Ark of the Covenant on Steroids

>> No.5318655

>>5318626
I'ts like Borges' Alif

>> No.5318670

Naruto is fucking great, just saying.

>> No.5318681

>>5314462
What else would it be?

>> No.5318683

>>5318670
The first few seasons of Naruto were great, then, like most Shonen, it got ruined by poor story planning and power creep.

>> No.5318686

>>5318670
Naruto is actually the second worst fighting shounen in Jump after Bleach

>> No.5318687

>>5318670
ITT: a bunch of crybaby anons cry because Butterfly usurps them.
#howdareyousuggestsomethingimighthavesuggested,nowi'mjustacrybabybitch

>> No.5318689

>>5317002
Ay-fucking-men

>> No.5318691

>>5318683
>>5318686
>>5318687

Not at all. It's a mythical epos that builds up to the fundamental confrontation of good vs. evil. It has a god-tier ''magic'' system, great characterization of the people that appear in it etc.

Naruto is really all about mythos. Every character has his own complex mythos. It's so damn underrated because of shitty filler and the shonen-background of the story

>> No.5318693

>>5318683
It just got stupid after Itachi died and then I stopped reading

>> No.5318702
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5318702

No question

>> No.5318704

>>5318691
This is pretentious horseshit and Hunter x Hunter is a lot better in terms of characterization, magic system, moral complexity, etc

>> No.5318705

>>5318693
buttdevastated Itachi-fag detected

>> No.5318712

>>5318691
I don't know why you got at me here, I was just lazily replying to others, not that post. That said, I agree that Naruto has some very interesting characters/story, but it's just too much Dragon Ball Z for me. The Itachi/Sasuke character dynamic is actually fascinatingly insightful.

>> No.5318713

>>5318468
A moth priest reading one of the Elder Scrolls and finding out that the chief deity and metaphysical manifestation of the concept of time itself is insane, and has been insane since his crystallization as a being. And that the cause of this insanity is the simple thought that came ushering in after he proclaimed his existence to all the cosmos, that thought being "I AM NOT" question mark.

The ones who zero-sum are lucky, all things considered.

>> No.5318714

>>5318705
I didn't even care about Itachi I just thought Sasuke was retarded

>> No.5318720

>>5318712
You know, I'd rather just read a book on such psychological relationships than trawl through 50 hours of fight scenes for every nugget of gold. Hey, I guess it gets the kids though.

>> No.5318735

>>5318713
Why the fuck don't I remember any of this shit?

>> No.5318742

>>5318735
Because it's all in the books you don't read and in the subtext in the struggles of all the powers in play in the games

Even in Skyrim, disappointing as it is, there's shit like this

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>>5314554
The physics of both the DCU and Discworld are based on narrative.

>> No.5318759

>>5318720
Morrowind has the most condensed amount of insane lore. Morrowind made the the already weird lore, even weirder too.

Oblivion and Skyrim both have it, but it's very hidden.

>> No.5318763

>>5318691
Yeah, of course things are good if you take the "shitty" parts out of them.

The problem with power creep is that the scale of the story usually quickly exceeds the ability of the storyteller to humanize things on that scale. It's what crippled Naruto and what cripples most fantasy, shonen, etc, besides the broad comedy they stuff into every moment of downtime to keep it energetic, which fucks the character realism. We're still very invested in the main characters because we've gone through their stories with them, but their stories, but nearly everything else is awful for anything but thrills. It just retreats into shoddy, Japanese flavored mysticism, or it lacks the relation to everyday life to be communicable in summary. (THE LEGENADARU DUDE X) The only anime I've seen that handles problems on that scale well is Eva, which does it by making what's happening symbolic or uncomfortably anomalous, Kafka style.

>>5318704
I agree that hunter x hunter is better at managing this - it often cuts away to give the bad guys dimension - though it gets really sentimental sometimes.

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>>5314054
Dune or The Elder Scrolls.

>> No.5318804

>>5318763
Kind of hard to avoid sentimentality in things that are supposed to be for teenagers. One Piece is still one of my other favorite shounens even though it can be the most sentimental piece of crap ever (deliberately so, of course)

>> No.5318817

Why isn't the new chapter of Hunter x Hunter out yet btw

>> No.5318831

>>5318817
Because the guy is constantly ill.

>> No.5318834

>>5318831
No we're definitely supposed to get a new chapter this week, it just hasn't been translated yet.

>> No.5318840

Naruto, Bleach and One Piece have all been translated today, but Hunter x Hunter is taking a while because it has a lot more dialogue and more complicated plot.

>> No.5318845

>tripfags/namefags always cause problems
>tripfags/namefags post normal everyday opinions
>anons get angry as fuck and spend post after post trying to piss them off

No anon, you are the problem.

>> No.5318850

>>5318845
What's that have to do with this thread where we talkg about anime, manga and video games

>> No.5318858

>>5318850
The first post from butterfly followed by paragraphs of horribly stupid shitposting

"You know nothing about Borges!"

>> No.5318863

>>5318845
Oh you're talking about stupid shit from yesterday that I didn't even remember was in this thread, lol

>> No.5318868

>>5318858
Lol Borges isn't even that difficult

>> No.5319104

>>5314054
define best.

>> No.5319109

>>5318817
not even mangapanda's shitty translation is out yet what the fock

>> No.5319160

wait what's this: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-08-20/hunter-x-hunter-manga-goes-on-2-week-hiatus-due-to-back-pain/.77790

why didn't they say this last issue, they're supposed to stay a few chapters behind to avoid sudden unannounced hiatuses like this

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>>5314063
/lit/ never disappoints