/lit/ - Literature

Young women perceive reading as being intellectually significant. Due to women generally being retarded sluts that yearn for intellectual cred (I've dated many a woman that wanted to be with me simply because I was smart, and that in turn was validation of their own intelligence) they read books. But they have no tolerance for boring things, so they read John Green.

It's easy to read.

Women are, for whatever reason, i don't care, emotionally childish in a sentimental way that these books appeal to. Similar to how many men are emotionally childish in an aggressive way.

>>5305507
>But they have no tolerance for boring things, so they read John Green.
>implying john "okay? okay" green isn't shit
>implying intellectual reading is boring

you better be a troll.

>>5305519

Intellectual reading is vastly boring. It's rewarding, but compared to jerking off and playing tf2, it's boring as shit. No masterpiece is a page-turner.

>>5305525
You very clearly just don't like literature and should probably ask yourself why you're pretending to

>>5305525
War & Peace was a page turner for me. Your experience is not the same as everyone else's.

>>5305525
Also, tf2 sucks.

>>5305490
Why is prepubescent entertainment like wrestling and football so damn popular among adult men?

I'd say woman are a step above. At least they are reading.

Because adult women have the intellects of adolescent males.

>>5305542
Football is sport.

Wrestling is theater.

I never really got into wrestling but I've got friends that are and it took me a while to realize that they really enjoy the fakery of it and would probably never watch actual wrestling.

>>5305525
I don't know about you but i find page turners boring. The reason I read the classics it's because I find them interesting and fun. I wouldn't read them otherwise.

>>5305517
>>5305512
This.
Our culture is an infantilized culture.

>>5305542
>At least they are reading.
The form of media ultimately makes the piece of media deeper, more complex and more meaningful! Really!

idiot.

>>5305490
Does anybody else smell unfettered virginism in this thread?

>>5305542

football is more intellectually stimulating than most YA fiction.

>5th grade reading level
>pandering

no other reasons required

>>5305552
Reading anything, even the back of a cereal box, has to be more mentally stimulating than watching large men hit each other repeatedly.

>>5305552
It takes a lot more energy for your brain to process words than to process theatrical violence. I wasn't defending page-turners I was just saying that woman are less doggy-brained than men.

>>5305563
You've obviously never read YA.

Women are intellectually inferior. Prove me wrong,

>>5305566
I have, actually. Totally read all of Harry Potter. It was more entertaining and intellectually fulfilling than any wrestling match or Super Bowl I've ever seen.

>>5305557
No, it isn't. I'm a big football. I like watching it to watch brutes smash against either, and intone wisely to my friends the plays the coaches should make, and blame them for not "following strategy". Football, despite any argument to the contrary is dumb, fun entertainment.

>>5305583
You are a big football.

>>5305542
You fit the stereotype perfectly.

>>5305583
* I'm a big football fan

>>5305588
Darn it, double dubs and you responded before I could correct my mistake>>5305592
.

>>5305589
What stereotype is that? A guy that thinks women at least have emotional intelligence rather than men who have neither emotional or rational intelligence?

>>5305597

>>5305573
I'd say Harry Potter is about as intellectually stimulating as a little league football match.

Oh, what's that, Harry Potter? Love and friendship conquers evil? Wow. Mind = Blown. What's the next book about? Love and friendship conquers evil again? Wow! And the third book? The same thing? Brilliant!

>>5305596
Well the dubs are a sign from the 4chan gods, but your post was just too easy for me to pass up

>>5305606
I don't blame ya'.

>>5305490

It's playful and fun, like a woman should be.

Do you want your cutie pie Asian 9/10 gf reading depressing and convoluted "adult literature"...fuck that.

>>5305602
Ahahah okay whatever you say. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>5305551
>i find page turners boring

This is a contradiction in terms.

Maybe you meant to say "I find books which other people describe as page turners to be boring," but it came off like "I find delicious food tastes terrible."

>>5305583
Hey big football. I'm a huge Orson Wells.

>>5305604
At least Harry Potter has a plot. It's not a bunch of kids adjusting their jock strap because they think nobody is watching.

>>5305604
The lesson of Harry Potter is that adults have shit under control and kids can only risk fucking everything up.

>>5305616
I think he's using 'page-turners' as a pseudo-genre comprised of stuff like Dan Brown, rather than as an adjective

>>5305618
pls stop... ;_;

>>5305616
Maybe you meant to say "I am a pedantic cuntwad and don't understand the benefits of paraphrasing"

>>5305604
Harry Potter has exceptional world-building, thats why its a phenomenon, there is something whole and believable about it. the writing and themes are of course pretty bland but its a childrens book.

>>5305604
>missing the allusions to classical mythology
>missing the themes on class and racial oppression
>focusing on the plot like a total pleb

>>5305597
No the edgy >hurr I'm so much better than all those ignoramuses because I hate sports and rasslin'

In conclusion Harry Potter was made by a woman of above average intelligence that was able to craft a young adult story with massive appeal to several generations. Football was made by a bunch of fat white guys with daddy issues that wanted to make a lot of money.

>>5305641
Okay man. You totally know me in real life and my drunken post about on 4chan proves all that. You're right.

>>5305642
>Football was made by a bunch of fat white guys with daddy issues that wanted to make a lot of money.
Whatever you say you teenager.
>In conclusion
lmao
>>5305648
It's easy to tell what type of person you are through your opinions.

>>5305583

YOURE A BIG FOOTBALL

>>5305642
I liked Harry Potter, probably in part due to the fact that I grew up with it. I like Football too, (I'm a big football) it's stupid entertainment that's nice to watch with friends.

>>5305654
pl-pls stop.. : ^ (

>>5305651
You win. I wear a fedora every day. I am 16 and live in my mother's basement. I am socially inept and hate everybody. You guessed it perfectly. You are the most intuitive physchoanalyst in the world. I applaud you and know I should pull myself up by my bootstraps.

>>5305660

IF I TOOK THE HELMET OFF WOULD YOU DIE?

Has anyone brought up how much straight-up erotica women read? My fuckbuddy has a new stack of these things every time I visit.

>>5305676
it's porn for women

that's basically all there is to it

>>5305676
My fetish is mostly only explored in text form, photos just don't capture it and only Japs do anything with it in video.

>>5305642
Okay, I'll take the bait here.

When you begin to make comparisons you can see that the separation between man and woman to be ignorable. To please our thin-skinned friends here we can say, humanity has common deficiencies that can be summarised into one word, evil. Everyone can be forgetful, inconsiderate, and a source of harm to others and ourselves. At the same time we can also mindful, considerate and a beneficial presence to others around us. Only now, we've created a placeholder, an image, an idea, (that is, the separation of genders in our case) that is often a simple target of frustrations and blame. That is formulated mainly by the current stigmas of this generation, shaped by previous 'wrongs' and thus shaping future fears and ideas.

Women and men and, maybe children, are all equal under the eyes of universe. Men can be dirty pigs, woman can be dirty pigs as well.

>>5305552
>le le! le!
le reddit
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>>5305713
wut

>>5305619
At least football has consistent rules. It's not a bunch of kids traveling through time to win the rosebowl but then not using those same abilities to win the superbowl.

>>5305622
the adults have jack shit under control. They spend most of the books outright denying empirical evidence of Voldemort's return.

>>5305636
>exceptional world building
>there are only three magic schools
>and one magic town

>>5305640
>allusions to classical mythology
Name one.
>themes on class and racial oppression
I'm pretty sure no one missed that ham-fished Nazi allegory. She trivialized the holocaust with her shitty books. This is not a good thing.

>>5305750
I stopped watching the movies after the sixth one was so bad. But I enjoyed reading the books growing up. It's escapism, and a fun story. I wanted to be a wizard, and go to Hogwarts. It's just a story a lot of people loved. It shouldn't really be looked into any more deeply. I read the first book when I was in 1st grade, and the last one when I was twelve or something. They were fun.

>>5305525
I don't know what angle exactly this poster was going for, but what he says is essentially true. The classics are exactly not page turners, because many of them try to challenge the reader with their ideas, not feed them comfortable stuff they are already familiar with. Maybe you'll find something boring or hard to read the first time, but when you come back later you find it all the more rewarding ultimately, and ultimately it changed you as a person a (tiny) bit, unlike the latest summer blockbuster movie for example.
Being not a page turner isn't somehow a negative/insult. It's just different.

>>5305889
But that's not true. A lot of the classics were the "page turners" of their time. See Dickens.

>>5305490
Because woman are stupid.

>>5305750
World building doesn't have to be maximalist to be good anon.

>>5305640
Oh my! The spell title is a latin word that actually has no relevance to the story and she can make a shallow SJW-tier metaphor! Truly, you are superior to a football watcher.

>>5305750
>Name one.
Mostly the names of certain characters or spells. You realize she was a classics major at Exeter, right? She obviously knows Latin.

>>5306098
Yes, even that shallow nod to classical language is more intellectual than big meaty men colliding.

I'm not saying Harry Potter is brilliant. I'm saying that reading a kids story is smarter than football. Reading Charlie and the Chocolate factory is smarter than football too. Probably smarter than Harry Potter as well. The point is, watching sports is dumb. If you enjoy the games get off your ass and play them.

>>5306122
Hey, I agree with your point, but I'm still a big sports fan. There's nothing wrong with watching sports and readin' books. There's a tradition of American intellectuals being sports fans, specifically baseball.

>>5306069
Of course not. But the "world building" in Harry Potter is really more of a "world facade" where you try to examine it from behind and see that there are three walls missing.

>>5306110
Yeah okay. I get Dumbledore comes from an old English word for Bumblebee, but that's not really an allusion to mythology. Nor is using a Latin language.

An allusion to classical mythology would be more like the maze in The Goblet of Fire being an allusion to the maze in the myth of King Minos-- except it wasn't an allusion to King Minos' labyrinth because the circumstances, characters, and themes were completely different, and the only similarity was that they both took place in a maze.

>>5306131
>There's a tradition of American intellectuals being sports fans, specifically baseball.
I'm completely unaware of this tradition. Is this a real tradition or something you've decided is true because you're thinking of Hunter S. Thompson?

>>5305534
samsies. I couldn't put it down.

>>5306156

not him but keroauc played football for columbia

>>5306152
An allusion doesn't have to be a recreation. That would be more of an homage.

>>5306179
I know, but Kerouac is barely an intellectual. And he quit after the first year, due to an I think. I'm pretty sure that's when he started getting into writing too. So it's more like he became an intellectual after he gave up his sport.

>>5305525
This is right on point, and it clearly struck a nerve

Nice try OP I'm not telling you my industry secrets

>>5305490
Our society has allowed women to be mentally equivalent to teenagers.

>>5306190
>I'm too stupid to enjoy intellectual writing

Video games are dull, and jerking off is unfulfilling. If you find that "on point", you're probably a dull fellow yourself.

>>5306156
Hemingway
Robert Frost used to play catch with Moe Berg, a catcher who went to NYU and Princeton.
David Halberstam
John Updike
John Steinbeck
Paul Fussell wrote about sports with some affection.

Walt Whitman famously said "I see great things in baseball. It's our game, the American game. It will repair our losses and be a blessing to us."

There are others of course, someone just mentioned Keroauc, and some sports writers who I consider American intellectuals but I left off because you may disagree with that. Like you mentioned too, Hunter S. Thompson definitely.

>>5306190
It's not on point. Like I said above, I fond War & Peace very compelling. Just because you agree with his point and find that to be your experience does not make that true for everyone else.

>>5306204
*found

>>5305507
John Green is the master of boredom. I read two pages of his once and it got me bored all day.

He's a redditist, though, so it's only natural.

>>5306202
it's not the ideas and concepts behind literautre, it's the dreadful reading. It takes forever!

>>5306180
well in that case Harry Potter is an allusion to the Dracula because they both have castles.

it's also an allusion to Leonardo da Vinci because Hogwarts has paintings.

>>5306220
A trial with monsterous creatures in a maze is more than just one thing.

Nice attempt at reducto ad absurdum. Too bad that your initial premise (the circumstances were completely different) is false. You might have pulled it off.

>>5306218
Develop focus or wallow in a stupor.

>>5306239
shut up nerd

>>5305654

for you

We dauntless now

>>5305750
>name one
Harry rescuing ginny in book 2 is classic descent to the underworld mytheme

>>5306300
All those kids look like twats I'd never want to know. Or maybe I wouldn't mind knowing them in like, ten years. But definitely not now.

>>5305676
Listen to >>5305681. Even shitty stuff like your pic is good sometimes.

>>5306300
>the goth in the trenchcoat refusing to help
>the fedora helping the EGL
>the brony
>the other fedora with ponytail and vest

>>5305687
Damn, what kind of fetish is that?

>>5306325
I saw you in another thread, and you seem ok, so can you please remove your trip forever, because we'll never accept you point of view because of it and it will shit up many threads in the future.

>>5305676
1) Obviously you don't satisfy her
2) women have been the readers of mills & boon romances and all that shit for generations

>>5306327
There is no one in that picture wearing a trench coat. He's wearing a faggy cape-y thing.

I don't know why I bothered to correct you.

>>5306156

I think he's talking about Stephen King.

>>5306341
There's plenty more I mentioned in a post, and others I didn't mention.

Post:

>>5306204

>>5306336
How many capes have sleeves?

>>5306334
Sorry anon, no can do. The fact that you think I'm okay despite my trip tells me that I won't lose much legitimacy (like I care—isn't this just an image board for Japanese cartoons?). It won't be my fault if "shit up" any threads, either. Thank you for your concern though, anon.

>>5306343

Well, you forgot to add Stephen King.

>>5306345
>cape-y thing

The word is cloak. I couldn't think of it before.

>>5306350
Please do. We will still have your contributions, but without the bullshit of a trip, which while I don't hate you, I don't particularly like the fact that you use one. One of the things I like about this website is that you can shed your identity from post to post, and you don't build a reputation. Part of what makes that more enjoyable is if others do the same, so no one really has an identity. People will judge you for your past posts and it will alter the unique dialogue that anonymity fosters.

Don't respond, I'm just givin' you something to think about.

>>5306351
I didn't know he was one, though watch out with that statement. I've never read any King, but people here seem to hate him and will throw a whole bunch of >>>>>>>>>>>'s at you.

>>5306356
Stephen King isn't an intellectual and there is literally nothing worse than his writings on baseball.

>>5306369
Haven't read him.

>>5306376
There's no need to either.

they like the novels because they focus on romance and sex.

>>5305525

gatsby was a page turner for me. its sort of the opposite of other classics; the story isnt that interesting but the prose is amazing

>>5306369

How is Stephen King NOT an intellectual? Have you read The Stand? Do you know how many books this guy has sold?

>>5306405
He's a hack, and The Stand is garbage.

>>5306413

Pretty unintelligent response, but not surprising considering it's coming from someone who doesn't recognize Stephen King as a bona fide intellectual.

>>5306202
Yes, I'm sure his point was the superiority of jerking off and video games, rather than the comparative dullness that wading through intellectually challenging literature presents in an age with mass media as a tantalizing distraction.

There's plenty of boring literature I'm glad I've read, and plenty of exciting media I've consumed that I lament. If you can't disentangle "excitement" and "rewarding" as concepts, you're a duller fellow than anyone in this thread so far.

>>5306507
That's not even the point. There is plenty of so called "intellectual literature" that is not dull. It's silly to assume that it is.

>>5306483
>>5306413
On Writing is honestly pretty good tbh

>>5306202
>Video games are dull

That's because you're playing the wrong ones.

Granted, nowadays there aren't many of the "right ones" coming out.

Because YA is romance novels without the crazy bad sex.

>>5306510
Reading *is* duller than video games and television. There's a reason one is triumphing over the other.

Those who choose to continue reading literature do so knowing that they are willfully depriving themselves of cheaper and easier excitement for intellectual pursuits.

If you can't grapple with this concept, I doubt you can grapple with "intellectual literature" which you claim to find so thrilling.

>>5306535
>>5306510
you are arguing the same point from two different perspectives

anon #1 argues that literature is not dull
anon #2 agrees that it is rich to those who pursue it, but believes the word to be appropriate because it is not instantly gratifying like masturbation

you both agree, anyone can see this

>>5306535
I've always been a reader throughout my life. I never had the video game systems while I was growing up, and I've only owned my own computer for about a year and a half. I'll say it again, just because something is more compelling to you does not mean that is true for others. And seriously, cheaper? I spent about $350 on a ps3 and the games I bought for it. A library card is free. I don't read to be "intellectual", I read because I've always read and I enjoy it. That's why I said "so called 'intellectual literature'". It's a meaningless category. Reading *is not* duller than video games and television, for me. For you it is.

>>5306535
I don't think you understand that different people are excited and stimulated by different things. Many people aren't stimulated by video games or television, but are extremely enraptured with classical literature or whatever. This isn't a mark of pretension its just a personal connection. For what it's worth I'm a person who is intensely excited by some literature, most recently Stendhal has been my favorite, and while I don't play videogames anymore I had a lot of fun in playing them in my childhood with friends, and I understand the excitement there is there. Its a bit similar to sports. the point is that these are different types of stimulation, and you can't just say that reading is duller than video games or television, as though it were an absolute, maybe a cultural trend, but that's why we're on a literature board, because we like reading.

>>5306542
I do not mean cheaper literally. I mean it figuratively. As in a low effort enjoyment.

And I mean reading intellectual literature, as in literature which is deeply intellectually challenging. I would find it hard to believe anyone who claimed something like Kant's Critique of Pure Reason is a page turner. I would assert even stronger that if something is a page turner it is not challenging you enough intellectually. Are you simply not stopping to mull over what you've read?

Maybe you are trying to imply that you are a genius who picks up ideas with ease, but your inability to comprehend even my own short posts makes me sincerely doubt that.

>>5305507
His crash courses are good.

>>5306565
>You're stupid and I'm not

Good one. People who think others read to look smart are dumb themselves. You sound like a pseud. Please stick a shotgun down your throat.

>>5306574
dude you are on /lit/

this place was founded on the idea that reading makes you look smart

>>5306535

There are a lot of people over thirty- yes, people who grew up with TV and video games- who would disagree with you. Me, for one. Video games just seem like a pointless chore at this point in my life, and most TV has really poor writing.

I'll admit I do always imagine a good book as a movie, but, guess what... good books almost never get made into movies. It's always the pleb books.

>>5306565
Writing trash takes work. If it was that easy you would have even more trash on the shelf than you see at the moment.

>>5306574
>People who think others read to look smart are dumb themselves.

I never implied Anon was reading to look smart.

>>5306594
>Maybe you are trying to imply that you are a genius who picks up ideas with ease

He said he liked reading. Where you got the idea that he was implying anything like that was idiocy in the extreme. If you were reading your posts, you saw he said "intellectual books."

You just come off as a real holier-than-thou dick.

>>5305525
>>5306190
Guys, reading just isn't for you it seems.

>>5306682
Hell you should be able to take pleasure form a badly written book. These people must be of the sort that take months to finish a 300 page novel.

>>5305490
I think it's because YA takes them back to when nobody knew their priorities in life, and all they cared for was dazzling damsels and wooing women. If I can gauge what YA is about nowadays, it's shallow and petty romance stories, it's their perfect boyfriend they never had, etc.
It's like Oprah, but in book form.

people in general are pretty ignorant and shallow, men read tom clancy. i mean is that any better? obviously its less annoying but think about it.

It's been said before but I think it's the basic reading level. I think also escapism, eg there will be lots of danger and adventure but no one is going to get raped like in Ken Follet novels. I also think there is something compelling about teenage experience, we were all there and know what it feels like and I think some people want to recapture that. Still I can't help but look down on people who read that stuff exclusively but then again I would feel that way about people who only read a single genre. I don't think we should expect too much of people, /lit/ has pretty high standards.

Are all women pedophiles?

>>5305525
This is something people who haven't still gotten into reading think.

>>5305750
>Name one.

I'll bite. Harry saving Cedric's body is a direct allusion to the Illiad (Achilles/Patroclus)

I think it's something to do with the general dumbening of society. People perceive proper literature as "too difficult", and YA is nice and gratifying and simple and black and white and dramatic while still pretending to deal with big themes. It's the literary equivalent of eating ice cream on the sofa in your pajamas while watching friends / supernatural / sex and the city reruns. Nice and pleasant and gratifying and doesn't require effort.

Don't get me wrong, there's some intensely enjoyable YA like Harry Potter and His Dark Materials, but a lot of is it too teen-angsty to be really good

>>5306881
>dumbening of society.

Jesus Christ, man.

>>5305556
Yes

>>5306884
well I think so.

>>5306909
First, it ain't true, second the way you phrased it was pretty dumb sounding.

Who cares about women?

>>5306913
english for me is a foreign language so it's entirely possible I twist it in weird ways

>>5305534
same here, but maybe it's an exception

>>5306984
Fair enough on the language barrier, but you're still a pseud.

>>5305525

I feel like this is generally true for me, but not always. The best works are both intellectually satisfying and page-turners. Reading some parts of Ulysses was the most intense thrill-ride of my life.

>>5306999
pseud meaning pseudointellectual? Not at all, but you can't deny that modern society doesn't hold extensive general knowledge in such esteem as before. You can see it anywhere - even the ads from the 60's or 70's had more text than most magazine articles these days. Movies are made for low-attention-span 13-year olds and news etc are getting increasingly entertaining. People aren't expected to have the ability to consume challenging stuff or think anymore, entertainment's supposed to be just easy escapism that requires zero effort.