/lit/ - Literature

>>5305074
Kill yourself. No one has called Wallace that.

>>5305074
How dare anyone denigrate Proust like that! Read Proust and don't read DFW.

>>5305082

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tByYEMkk2Q

>>5305074

lol stay away from proust for the time being you aren't ready to take it all on. the prose isn't that hard but unless you read a whole lot the sheer scope of the reading project will burn you out too quick

read dfw before you grow out of it, infinite jest is an important read for young/new readers. but you should start with his first book of essays.

fuck the meme bullshit and give him a fair go

>>5305082
>>5305090

Alright well I'm open to someone explaining why Wallace is shitty. Like I said, haven't read any of his stuff so I this is information I'd like to have.

>>5305111

he isn't shitty he's actually an incredibly perceptive and fun writer but the only problem is he just didn't know how to approach all those larger questions that his observations were pointing to. he came close a few times but he wasn't some sort of game changer.

still anyone who doesn't think that he was one of the top few to really capture something so notoriously hard to write about as our generation's social and spiritual malaise then they are goofy ass ivory tower wannabe motherfuckers who don't know what the fuck they're talking about

read his two books of essays
read IJ
read oblivion
and read pale king (even though it's unfinished it's still incredibly good)

then you have pretty much all you need from him

>>5305141
>still anyone who doesn't think that he was one of the top few to really capture something so notoriously hard to write about as our generation's social and spiritual malaise then they are goofy ass ivory tower wannabe motherfuckers who don't know what the fuck they're talking about

Everything worth saying about our generation's "social and spiritual malaise" was written before the end of the 19th century.

>>5305153
Bahahahahaha

>>5305153
>Everything worth saying about our generation's "social and spiritual malaise" was written before the end of the 19th century.

This. I love when little naive faggots think that basic ennui and nihilistic tendencies are unique to this generation. Nothing has changed except there are lot of glowing screens and advertising is everywhere.

>>5305153

>everything worth saying about our generation has already been said before our generation

you must have to be one massive ass fucking poser to deny your own generation an artistic voice

i really wish every self-abnegating and willfully hermetic poser like you would see what a hapless stagnation you are on the arts

get a fucking clue, kid

>>5305192
>i really wish every self-abnegating and willfully hermetic poser like you would see what a hapless stagnation you are on the arts

You just typed this awful sentence. You don't have an "artistic voice."

>>5305182
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>>5305192

these summers need to get gone asap

this is fucking embarrassing

>>5305195

>You don't have an "artistic voice."

lol i just wanted to hit a nerve you didn't need to let me know that i took an axe to an artery

>>5305192
>poser

You can go back to reading your little Jack Kerouac books now, dipshit.

>>5305197
If >>5305192 is the norm and he's summer, then I want summer to stay.

>>5305206

>getting this blown out

cope with yourself summerfriend

>>5305192

Right. Like Shakespeare and Homer were merely spokesman of their generation. What horseshit.

(Good) Art transcends time in that it remains relevant to the human condition. Once you are old enough to realize everything that can be said has already been said, and understand that the great poets, novelists, artists, tihnkers, etc., are all just addressing the same concerns and worries and ideas and hopes, casting light on them from different angles, then you'll start to be able to approach "the arts" (as you call it) with some sense of maturity and perspective.

Art is not teleological; art is not one generation raging against the previous in order to "find a voice"; art is still what it's always been about -- the human condition -- and that to my knowledge hasn't changed much since we've figured out how to chip cuneiform into rocks.

It's all been said before -- we just have to find out new ways to say it, because humans don't seem to learn.

>>5305220
Oh fuck I just got trolled. Shit.

>>5305220

yes let's completely ignore the colloquialism of our society and age just because it's difficult to write about in the information era. let's all say that our generation shouldn't have an artistic voice because great books have already been written in the past

cool post

>>5305249
What is difficult about the "colloquialism" of the "information era"? Why do half of your terms sound like tabloid blurbs?

>>5305074
Proust!

>>5305269

>What is difficult about the "colloquialism" of the "information era"?

no you're right the information era is built on a sturdy cultural bedrock and points of cultural identity aren't coming in and out of relevance with increasing speed

another gr8 post