/lit/ - Literature

No.

Math is gay.

>>5261555
Being good at math doesn't equate to be able to complete college level math competently. Anyone can do that.Being good is more along the lines of being able to create theorems and shit.

You can teach anyone how to drive, but does "being good" at driving mean you don't commit traffic violations" No, there's nothing exceptional about that.

Intelligence and knowledge are two separate things.
Intelligence makes it easier to obtain knowledge, but the two aren't always mutually inclusive.

That said, it's unlikely that you are intelligent if you are bad at math (in my opinion).

If you can't write decent proofs then there's no reason to trust you when it comes to anything related to deductive reasoning.

Depends on what you mean by intelligent. I know a mathematician who I would say is pretty retarded in some respects

>>5261555
Most tests designed to measure intelligence focus much more heavily on memory, spatial reasoning, processing speed/fluency, and fund of knowledge. So from the conventional understanding of the term "intelligence", the answer would be an emphatic yes. Cue semantic pissing match

>>5261571
>Being good at math doesn't equate to be able to complete college level math competently. Anyone can do that.

No, not everyone can. If you can complete an undergrad Math degree, you are definitely "good" at math.

Intelligence isn't a single monolithic entity. A talented mathematician might be a poor writer, and a talented writer might be a poor mathematician. Different people have different inclinations. You'll rarely find a true renaissance man who can master everything.

The word "intelligent" only exists to boost male egos: it has no pragmatic use beyond that.

>>5261571
>Being good at math doesn't equate to be able to complete college level math competently. Anyone can do that.

I cannot do that.

>>5261555

Intelligence: capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.

This is the understood definition, and with this definition someone could easily be intelligent and struggle with mathematics. Why even ask such an obvious question

>>5261627
>with this definition someone could easily be intelligent and struggle with mathematics
Not really.

Math ability correlates strongly with other forms of intelligence. Then again, musical ability correlates with g too.

I have a degree in math. I can (or could, memory is rusty) handle relatively higher level concepts fairly easily but I am possibly worse than average at basic arithmetic, calculating tips and such. There may be something neurological about it, like somebody who is verbally intelligent but dyslexic.

"Only math is matters" is self-serving STEM savant propaganda but I guess I'm ranting at the choir.

There are some people who apparently just can't into math even slightly and it does prevent them from being able to grasp certain topics.

(intelligence) = (number of sexual partners) divided by (your age)

>>5261719
0.23. If we're talking no-assumptions I'm looking pretty meh, but if we're talking Cohen's, well then!

How you be intelligent if you're not good at fixing cars?

I have a pretty high IQ. I never found out the exact number, but when I was in the mental hospital the psychologist who tested my intelligence said I had the highest verbal intelligence he'd ever seen, and that I could easily relate to him and his colleagues. I scored average on the logic sections, though. He didn't even bother testing me on mathematics. He just tossed that section aside and said he doesn't care about it, and I shouldn't care about it, either. I scored in the 99th percentile in verbal intelligence, whatever that means. I have an anthropology BA degree with a 4.0 GPA and I've written three books (literary novels). So yes I'd say it's possible to be intelligent without being good at math.

Can you be intelligent if you're bad with people?

>>5261757
Oh he also said that my mental disorder is probably artificially deflating my score as well, and as soon as I find the right medication etc. I should notice a jump in intelligence and go back to school.

>>5261719
I'm sure someone out there actually believes this too.

>>5261700
>I have a degree in math
i have a question for you, would you say that math is "just" extended/amplified common sense.

>>5261555

Yes, because you can just use a calculator.

>>5261719
0.15. Yeah, seems about right.

>>5261757
But are you good at maths?

>>5261615

Not really. You can get a degree with C-s and taking easy papers.

>>5261719
Do prostitutes count?

I think sleeping with whores is actually more intelligent than sleeping with normal girls.

So can we revise the equation to something like:

(intelligence) = (number of prostitute sexual partners) times two plus (number of non-prostitute sexual partners) divided by (your age)

Innate math ability has no relation to intelligence.

>>5261774
I'm abysmal at math. Why do you think I went into anthropology?

>>5261719
Define "sexual partners".

>>5261555
Can you be intelligent if you cant draw for shit?

Da Vinci would say, lel no.

>>5261786
Also shouldn't we try to base the final score out of 100 like how intelligence is normally measured so that we can make it comparable to IQ scores?

>>5261807
Da Vinci was good at math,

>>5261810
Also how would you measure a child's intelligence. It seems your average eight year old would have a score of zero, which is the same score as a rock, which hardly seems fair.

I'm really bad at math by the way.

>>5261812
indeed.

still he believed painting is the highest art.

Tesla knew several languages, and was good at math and whatnot. Still he was fucked in the ass (patents-wise speaking) by Edison, in the end Tesla died in poverty. Was Tesla retarded?

Point is intelligence is a hard concept to define.

>>5261555
Yes.
I know many people who are considered highly intelligent and are shit at math, myself included. I have a verified IQ of 152 and am shit at math. It took me two tries to pass college Algebra. However, I can breeze through any of the non-math based sciences and any of the humanities with ease. I also think, in theory, that the same deficiencies that make me shit at math are also what make me the worst artist in existence. I can't draw so much as a proper sphere to save my life.
Possibly unrelated, but I also have strong synesthesia. Every number has a specific color, as do letters and even words, and I see music in color forms. In pondering on this, I think this may have something to do with why math as confounded me so badly. Anyway, this is all conjecture, I'm just speculating.

>>5261841
>Was Tesla retarded?
No, he wasn't an asshole.

>>5261841
Some of the most intelligent people live in poverty. I'm a genius and I'm on disability and living in the ghetto. Go figure.

>>5261719
⇒tfw my intelligence score is >1

feels good to be smart

>>5261849
You sound sooo fucking dumb.

>>5261873
Gtfo Arrow, you're a liar. My score is >1 though and possibly >2, get on my level.

>>5261771
>i have a question for you, would you say that math is "just" extended/amplified common sense.

(My shitty math degree doesn't make me any kind of authority but) it's the opposite: people reason by logical fallacies, have very little concept of large numbers, lose money gambling because they have no idea about statistics, and so on.

On the other hand, even stupid people can very easily do things that challenge computers, like recognize voices and faces, or use language.

Math is stuff that ought to be very simple, except that our brains never had much use for it prior to civilization so we never evolved much intuition for it and have to learn it by rote.

>>5261555
For sure be good at mathematics not makes you automatically intelligent

>>5261857
so not being an asshole, means let other people fuck you?

>>5261866
ok but dont let anyone get rich using your inventions. (if you ever make any.)

>>5261555
No.

>>5261555
Math is nothing more than logic puzzles represented by numbers.

If you don't understand it or can't figure it out, it is unlikely that you are intelligent.

>>5261886
He didn't "let" it happen, he just wasn't Murrikan.

>>5261897
Wrong. Looks like you missed out on logically interpreting a pattern bro.

>>5261874
Am I supposed to be upset by that?

>>5261905
No?

>>5261849
>considered highly intelligent
>I have a verified IQ of 152
>implying IQ measures anything

HAHAHAHAHA. No one gives a shit about pattern recognition skills once you passed "Not a retard" level of 85.

>>5261902
You're just pissy because you can't do math but still want to be considered intelligent.

ITT: Desperation.

>>5261841
Because Tesla wanted to use his intelligence to help the lives of the common man. He turned down offers to get rich. Edison wanted to use his inner jew to fatten his bank account and back stab all in his way. Only in America you will find people actually praising Edison and laughing at Tesla.

>>5261874
> unnecessary extra letters
> unnecessary profanity

Yeah, you sound like a real winner.

>>5261917
Actually I'm incredibly gifted at math.
>>5261939
That's dumb bro, don't be so buttmad.

>>5261617
Any retard can be good at writing, even Hitler wrote a book.

>>5261912
You sound upset, anon. Is this from feelings of inadequacy or it just your natural poor personality traits?

>>5261950
>LOOK AT ME EVERYONE I'M GIFTED

Lol, okay guy, simmer down, you don't need to try and prove anything here.

>>5261967
Bit jumpy, aren't ya?

These threads are an abomination, /sci/ is plagued by them.
Hope it gets pruned before it starts dropping spores.

>>5261719
4/21

I'm counting BJs as sexual encounters otherwise it would be 2/21.

>>5261719
That wisdom, not intelligence. It's a subtle difference that most here don't grasp.

Intelligence ∝ mathematics while wisdom is a complex function of how well read and experienced you are in life.

>>5261970
They do seem to be a bunch of people crying generally. Here's a proper answer to the thread, though: math is just a language, same as English, Chinese, French, or whatever. Is it possible to be intelligent without knowing Chinese? Quickness is another thing, that might be honed to math, English, Chinese, or whatever. The answer to the thread is "yes".

My definition of intelligence - and i concede that it's probably too reductionist to be meaningful - at least at its most elemental, is the capacity for abstraction. The ease with which one can take a phenomenal unit, or multiple units, cognize them, divide them, devise relations, and do this at certain levels of speed and precision. All the other conditions follow from this basic proposition. Mathematics encompasses a particular mode of abstraction, the quantitative - yes you can argue all you want that perhaps ultimately things are reducible to discernible discrete particles and wavelengths and thus there is no room in a logical framework for anything but quantitative description, but the fact is, just like we cannot apprehend the quantum interaction that constitutes the color red as we perceive it, so there must be other modes of abstraction inexpressible in quantitative terms.

Everything can be reduced to math. So, if you're intelligent, you're good (no matter how indirectly) at math.

>>5261970
You are absolutely right. It seems no one can have a normal discussion about intelligence (or lack thereof) without a bunch of shrieking monkeys with chips on their shoulders shouting everyone down. At any rate, yes, I hope it gets pruned.

>>5261555
Of course you are not going to be good in math.

You never studied.

Apply yourself and stop making excuses.

>>5261990
Mathematics is the language, not a language.

>Is it possible to be intelligent without knowing how to communicate

The answer is a definite no.

>>5262028
That's dumb.

>>5261950
>Actually I'm incredibly gifted at math.

Doubtful

>>5261953
Hitler dictated a book which was then composed by someone else and it wasn't very good.

>>5262006
reduce the problem of the average 4chan user getting gf, to a math problem.

>>5262044
You mean "deniable".

>>5261953
Also Hitler was very intelligent.

>>5262057
He was rejected from arts school. Even monkeys can draw but he couldn't.

>>5262042
>butt hurt potato detected

>>5262058
Hitler's art was actually fairly good. The reason he got rejected was because it wasn't very daring or spectacular, since he was so aesthetically conservative and quaint. He could draw just fine.

>>5262052
It's some equation where you measure the women's standards in various areas with how the man satisfies them.

I can't reduce it to numbers, but it is very possible to reduce it to numbers. It's just highly impractical.

>>5262095
so this is how you get women?

>>5261657
Why not?

>>5262110
No.

Often times the indirect knowledge is the better knowledge. Here's an example:

I am a skier. I go about 10 times a season, more if I can convince my buddies to go with me. I'm also pretty good at physics. Theoretically, I can calculate the exact forces I would need to apply, and the exact times to apply them, to do a particular run. So could many other people who are good at physics. However, only somebody with practical skiing experience, and all that entails (most especially muscle memory), could actually make it down the run.

In the same way, a god-like computer program could probably figure out how to make a fantastic novel. You would have to break it down into pleasing plot elements and themes, then into pleasing scenes, and finally into pleasing sentences, while also continuously analyzing the flow and feel of the novel as a whole. However, it would probably take an extremely long time, so long that a human could write ten or more novels of similar quality.

In the end, both methods entail the same variables. At the core, everything is math. However, it is often better to take a non-mathematical approach to solving any given problem.

>>5262082
>fairly good

>Claiming /lit/ is intellectually equal to mathematical /sci/entific reasoning

Where have I've heard that before?

>>5262148
What's wrong with that?

>>5262149
Math and science are just branches of philosophy. That's why every philosopher could do research at CERN if he wanted to.

>>5262154
Some people don't like traps

>>5262148
That's just a quick sketch and is not his best work.

>>5262160
So she didn't pluck her eyebrows, hardly makes her a trap.

>>5262159
>implying it wasn't Aristotle's fault it took so fucking long to dispose of his bullshit and start studying actual science

>>5262137
So the problem of creating something new can be reduced to a math problem.

ultimately, making a girl interested in you is a math problem.


the meaning of life is a math problem.


seems legit.

>>5262169
Aristotle was the wisest man of all times and his metaphysics is more true than any science bullshit. Learn your place, STEM fag and start with le greeks.

>>5261617
>renaissance men
>master of everything

True renaissance men must include the art of letters to apply themselves so.

>>5262137
CS-fag detected.

>>5262173
It is a math problem. The world operates on math.

Math is just logic with semantics and numbers. Everything in a logical universe is mathematically representable, including all the things you listed. However, math is very often not the best tool for determining solutions to problems. Philosophy and other methods of finding meaning have their place.

>>5262182
Found me.

>>5262159
>Math and science are just branches of philosophy.
Hahaha no