/lit/ - Literature

Agreed. I don't think it is the greatest sci-fi of all time but good lord, the immersion it creates is incredible. Herbert goes way out on a limb and his universe is far stranger and creative than most other sci-fi. Word of advice, only read "Dune." Do not read the other so called "Dune" books. They will ruin it for you.

>>5227473
Well, damn. I ordered Dune Messiah the other day. Are they really that bad? I've heard awful things about the books released by Herbert's son, but surely the ones he wrote himself are okay... Right?

>>5227473
>Do not read the other so called "Dune" books
Any of them? I heard a few of them are pretty decent though.

>>5227509
>>5227512
If you enjoyed his first book then the other ones are pretty great. I would read them before saying you don't like it.

his sons stuff is terrible, just ignore it.

>>5227473

Right now I'm on page 500. I started it 5 days ago and can't put it down /lit/. By the Reverend Mother, THE RIDE NEVER ENDS.

Check out some literary analyses of it. It's a brilliant political statement about Western imperialism in the Middle East, as well as a critique of technology, with some serious gnostic, kabbalistic, Sufi and Hermetic overtones. Herbert was on a whole different level.

Whatever you do, don't want the movie or the miniseries.

However the documentary " Jodorowsky's Dune" is great and you should watch it after reading the book.

>last week there was a dune thread on /lit/.
>Some anon posts "SO I STABBED THAT FUCKER AND TOOK HIS WATER" accompanied by a picture of a fremen.
>Lands the 5.2 million get.
>All those reactions.

My sides folded space. Thank you /lit/.

>>5227509

They just get really, really weird and indrawn. "If a little bit of a good thing is good, then a lot of it must be better" but it doesn't work that way. Plus if you read the other books you get drawn in and the series becomes a case of literary flagellation. Of course, I'm only speaking for myself and if you really want to read the other books go for it but I have a hard time believing anyone would find them interesting/fun.

>>5227637
watch*

>>5227637
>movie

Goddamit Lynch that was fucking abysmal. If there were to be a modern adaptation made today I'd want Jadorowsky himself to team up with Guillermo Del Toro to make it. He puts that special kind of extreme devotion, detail, and care into his movies that Dune deserves. Also, I'd want Kieth Thompson and Travis Beacham to be involved as well.

>>5227648
The thing with Jodorowsky is that he understands the purpose and underlying meaning of the book as well.

I liked SOME of the visuals in Lynch's film, but the way he butchered the source material and the whole meaning of the story is unforgivable.

It's a shame Giger isn't alive anymore, he would have done perfect art design for a film.

>>5227637
I'll give it a check. I just started listening to the audiobook a few days ago. I really do love these types of books that have their own world already established and envelope you in it.

I loved Neuromancer for that, as well.

Dune is an amazing novel: There is a reason it’s the best-selling science fiction series of all time. Prescient for his time (1965), Frank Herbert was able to foresee a future in which geo-engineering, rampant technocracy, geo-political intrigue and subterfuge, ecology, elite bloodlines, the occult and religious perennialism all coalesce into a story of unparalleled scope and imagination. In that regard, it functions as both a fictional account of a far distant galactic future, as well as a predictive presentation of today’s headlines and scientific advancements. Truly there is no novel to liken it to, especially in the genre of science fiction, relative to its time. While any top ten sci-fi novels will undoubtedly include Dune among its ranks, I argue it is utterly unique in its inclusion of themes and characters that run completely contrary to Asimov or Orwell.

>>5227456
goddamn I love Space Lawrence of Space Arabia.

>>5227648
And Lee Bontecou

>>5227851
dope

>>5227473
This. Only the original Dune is worth reading.

>>5227456
Glad to hear that

because i'm 100 pages in and i still don't like it very much, i'm forcing my self to read it tbh

>>5227473
This is so true. I started Messiah and it just destroyed whatever it is that Herbert did for me.

>>5228238
>i'm forcing my self to read it tbh

Good. That's kinda how it goes at first. Once you reach about page 200, things get interesting, and shit really hits the fan around page 250. Herbert takes his time in building his universe, but it pay off tremendously.

Make sure you read the appendices as well, especially the one called "TERMINOLOGY OF THE IMPERIUM.". It makes everything a lot more interesting. If your book doesn't have them in the back, you can find them online. Seriously, knowing his terminology and in-world definitions makes the whole experience much more cohesive.

Fuck I also just finished Dune, now I just want to read more sci-fi. Probably gonna get Neuromancer

>>5227665
>>5227648
I heard the reason Lynch's adaptation of Dune was so bad was because he wasn't allowed to do a lot of the stuff he wanted, so it lost a lot of what he thought was good and then sucked as a result. Even he thought the movie sucked.

>>5232484
>blaming other people for your movie being shitty

these are the worst kind of directors

Has anyone got any links to other such esoteric analysis?


>>5227713
>Dune is an amazing novel: There is a reason it’s the best-selling science fiction series of all time. Prescient for his time (1965), Frank Herbert was able to foresee a future in which geo-engineering, rampant technocracy, geo-political intrigue and subterfuge, ecology, elite bloodlines, the occult and religious perennialism all coalesce into a story of unparalleled scope and imagination. In that regard, it functions as both a fictional account of a far distant galactic future, as well as a predictive presentation of today’s headlines and scientific advancements. Truly there is no novel to liken it to, especially in the genre of science fiction, relative to its time. While any top ten sci-fi novels will undoubtedly include Dune among its ranks, I argue it is utterly unique in its inclusion of themes and characters that run completely contrary to Asimov or Orwell.

From: http://jaysanalysis.com/2013/12/28/dune-1965-novel-esoteric-analysis/

>>5227640
Of all the posts that COULD have been the Get, that was a pretty good one.

>>5227713
I actually think that, if we ever do develop faster than light travel and expand out into the universe, the future will look a lot like Dune.

>>5232578
>Paul browses 4chan.
>Gets every get.

GET FOR THE FREMEN! LONG LIVE PAUL MUADDIB!

>>5232588
I'm not sure if that's a good thing, but it sure would be interesting. It would be a shame if we went full butlerian jihad and got rid of all computers though.

>>5232484
Yeah, I heard Lynch wanted to make a 6-hour film but had to cut it down. It beat Jodorowsky's 8-hour film...

>>5232656
If artificial intelligence is genuinely developed and turns out to be hostile, a Butlerian Jihad-style reaction is certainly possible.

I also think that the extreme suspicion of assassination and surveillance that runs rampant through Dune is already developing, as a response to the pervasiveness of the surveillance state. I wonder if we'll see rich, powerful families start developing their own coded communications systems.

>>5232497
>assuming the director has complete control

these are the worst kind of fans.

>>5232667
>directors have no control

who is michael bay

Dune is on my reading list, probably gonna tackle it once I finish my Murakami binge.

Are all the ones Herbert wrote worth reading, or just the first? I know I don't need to bother with the ones cowritten by his son and Kevin J Anderson.

>>5227509
Books 1-6 are all great. They get... weird though.
God Emperor of Dune for example is mostly dialogue and not nearly as exciting as the original. But I also absolutely love it.

So basically, they don't get bad. Far from it. But they leave something to be desired. It's not even that the first book was the best one, the later books just lose that magic Dune had from being new.

>>5232693
Read them all. Some people give the books after the first a lot of hate but they're all very good.

Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune, and Chapterhouse Dune are all great books.

Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune are okay. They're the first two Brian Herbert novels. Unlike his others which are merely fan fiction side stories, Hunters and Sandworms are the final two books of the series taken from Frank Herbert's own outline. So they're sort of like what Frank Herbert would have written if he was a much worse writer. Not recommending them, but if you really want more you can dip into those and NO further.

>>5232662
>8
Jodorwsky wanted to make it 14 hours.

>>5232781
>14 hours

Jesus christ.

I'd watch the fuck out of it.

>>5232795
It would have been split into volumes.
Man. That movie would have been so insane. Frank Herbert claimed the script took a lot of deviations from the book, but the script was also the size of a phonebook.

Jodorwsky was training his young son to be Paul. Teaching him language, fighting tactics, martial arts, all this shit.

>>5232810
>Jodorwsky was training his young son to be Paul.
>tfw your dad will never train you to be motherfucking Paul Muad'dib THE LIKES OF WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN SEEN!

>>5227473
god emperor is GOAT

>>5233288
This.

>>5227456
loved it. my god. how amazing was his description of Dune?

It bothers me that,
"The Spice must flow."
"He who controls the spice, controls the universe."
are the first things anybody says when Dune is mentioned.

That shit is never said in the books. Stop quoting David Lynch up in here.

Here's a quote from the books we can start using instead,
"You got a problem with a couple muscular amazon chicks making out, Duncan? How about you back the fuck off you misogynist prick." - Moneo

>>5234510
My father's favorite quote is "The slow blade penetrates the shield."

I personally enjoy Baron Harkonnen's line, "Observe the plans within plans."

>>5234513
The Litany Against Fear is pretty GOAT too.

>>5234529

>>5234547

>>5234547
OR she could have just given him a disfiguring, crippling veneral disease like the Bene Gesserit Crone when she had surprise sex with Baron Harkonnen.

>>5227473
this guy doesn't know shit. The first four books are fucking good

>>5227473

Fuck this guy, the others (written by Frank) were great. Give them a chance - lots of people actually like one of the others more than Dune.

This thread is proof that /lit/ is pleb tier.
The world is good, yes, but the plot and prose are trash.

The only thing Dune does exceedingly well is work as a catalyst for people with actual skill to make shit like Jodorowsky's sci-fi.
That's still valuable, but come on, Dune is not some masterful work, it's just really influential.
Seriously, start paying attention to the way things are written and how uninteresting the actual plot is, and watch your opinion of Herbert fall into disappointment.

I think the only thing I really prefer of the first book over the later ones is the feeling of newness. Arrakis/Dune/Rakis was fascinating, Sandworms were terrifying, the Spice was mysterious.

Obviously I grew used to this stuff and it all became normal. And as the story progressed thousands of years at a time things started changing, a lot. But that feeling of new never returned.

I missed the old days of Atreides vs. Harkonnen, of wormsign, and desert power. I missed Paul, and Gurney, Jessica, and Alia. Only one I didn't miss was Duncan, kek. Leto II was an incredible protagonist in God Emperor but it just wasn't the same.

So basically, on a nostalgic and emotional level I miss the original Dune and all it's wonder. But the later books for me is still when the story really became interesting. Especially God Emperor.

Chairdogs are fucking stupid though.

>>5235442
>This thread is proof that /lit/ is pleb tier.
All of /lit/ except you, right?
>but the plot and prose are trash.
Please elaborate. You claim it's trash, I claim it's great.
>The only thing Dune does exceedingly well is work as a catalyst for people with actual skill to make shit like Jodorowsky's sci-fi.
Except it doesn't. Jodorowsky's Dune failed before it even started production and would have been a clusterfuck, albeit a glorious one, that made no sense either way, Lynch's movie was total shit, and the mini series was mediocre. Dune has proven time and time again that it isn't able to be adapted.
>Dune is not some masterful work, it's just really influential.
What has it influenced? And why do you think that influence doesn't stem from it being a masterwork of science fiction?
>Seriously, start paying attention to the way things are written
It's written well. Some of the best prose, if not the best, in science fiction.
>and how uninteresting the actual plot is,
Funny, because I was very interested all the way through books 1 to 6.

>>5235442
>but come on, Dune is not some masterful work, it's just really influential
Thank you, now I know I'm not the only one who thinks this way. It's just usually not worth it to mention this in any Dune related conversations, since you'll be just overwhelmed by all the "you just have shit taste and don't understand anything about sci-fi"-stuff.
Also, the original Dune is the only one worth reading, right from Dune Messiah it turns into absolute garbage.

>>5235530
>right from Dune Messiah it turns into absolute garbage.
Top kek.

>>5235472
I barely post here, but come on, you must know it isn't hard to be disappointed by /lit/.
Anyway, I'll attack the easiest prey because I'm not gonna spend time digging through the book to find shit I didn't like.

Herbert does not trust his readers whatsoever. Throughout the book he basically gives away things by just telling the readers instead of allowing the plot just to play out. But he also doesn't explain all of the relevant parts of the world in the actual text and uses the stupid Appendix as a cheat.

I'll find some examples when I have time, if you really don't want to just use google to find people complaining about how bad his prose is.

>>5234547
why do the bars only cast a shadow on him. And why are they horizontal, rather than vertical.

Is this some sort of attempt at DEEP SYMBOLISM I'm not catching...

Dune Messiah works as very good other half of the coin for the first book, and then read Children to complete the first trilogy, the next three Dune books by Frank are decent but nowhere near as good and have a few long dry stretches; don't read the prequel stuff by his son, it's turds.

>>5235472
Fuck it, I'm annoyed enough by the rest of your post to make a second reply.

>Jodorowsky's Dune would have been a clusterfuck, albeit a glorious one, that made no sense either way, Lynch's movie was total shit, and the mini series was mediocre. Dune has proven time and time again that it isn't able to be adapted.
Jodorowsky's sci-fi comics ARE a clusterfuck; forget about what would have been.
But, it's way crazier, filled with much better ideas, and is much more engaging than anything Herbert ever wrote.

Lynch's film was probably only trash because of Hollywood's limitations and the failures of the novel itself.
Nothing is "unadaptable," it's just a question of how you handle the adaptation. And yeah, it's prohibitively expensive to make a live action Dune movie that satisfies anyone ever, but there are many other avenues, and there's nothing unique about Dune aside from its length that makes it better suited to book form. There are much, much better examples of novels that are legitimately hard to adapt; things that actually utilize their medium uniquely.

>what did Dune influence?
Well it influenced you, clearly. It's had a lasting effect on SF writing, which is obvious by how fucking long and drawn-out modern SF books are, and as you know, Jodorowsky's Dune produced a lot of work that was reincorporated into other projects, and it introduced some fantastic talent to Hollywood.

>why do you think that influence doesn't stem from it being a masterwork?
Influence != good.
Vaudeville was influential.
Michael Bay is influential.
Hitler was influential.

>best prose in sci-fi
Not even close.

>I was very interested all the way through.
Good for you? You were able to ignore all of its massive problems. Have a cookie.

>>5235687
I don't think people realize how big dune was in the early consciousness movement. It is both a result of and cause for the pioneering blend of science and spirituality indicative of the era. That book is as heavy on the Jung in it's construction as it is mahayana christianity in its message.

>>5234529
I'd already memorised half of the litany without ever knowing that Dune was a book thanks to the Earthworm Jim cartoon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FML9u0W8G98..

>>5235687
>Jodorowsky's sci-fi comics ARE a clusterfuck; ... ... novels that are legitimately hard to adapt; things that actually utilize their medium uniquely
I'm still missing the entire purpose of this tirade. Dune is a trash novel because Jodorwsky's comics are better in your opinion?
Dune is a catalyst for more talented people to build on because it can probably be adapted to film with a lot of money?

>Well it influenced you, clearly. It's had a lasting effect on SF writing, which is obvious by how fucking long and drawn-out modern SF books are, and as you know,
I got not comment here, you answered a rhetorical question then threw around some opinions.

>Jodorowsky's Dune produced a lot of work that was reincorporated into other projects, and it introduced some fantastic talent to Hollywood.
We're still talking about the books, right?

>Influence != good.
I don't believe I said that. I said Dune was influential because it was a fantastic novel. I didn't say it was a fantastic novel because it was influential.

>Not even close.
Provide examples please. My opinions and statements are limited to my personal experience. Here, watch me. Gibson is another example of good prose in science fiction. I'd say he's on par with Frank Herbert.

If you don't think Dune's prose is even close to being some of the best in science fiction, please show me people who you think are better.

>Good for you? You were able to ignore all of its massive problems. Have a cookie.
I don't even feel like starting on this one.

>>5235725
>they're worms

How did you all pronounce the names? Did you find they the same as how they were pronounced in the screen adaptations?

What could have been?

>tfw you will never conquer, capture, and control an Arakkian Sandworm and ride it into the glory of battle.

>>5236275
woah there, calm down Jadorowsky...

I finished reading Dune and started watching the SciFi movie Dune (2000).

Pic related.

>>5227640
>posting a Blade Runner image with a Dune filename
What?

I feel like sci-fi is underrated by most people into lit

>>5237240
I see plans within plans anon...

i read wheel of time before starting dune and the whole book i was bothered by the similarities in worldbuilding:

>rand (car'a'carn) // paul (kwisatz haderach)
>aes sedai // bene gessirit
>aiel // fremen

maybe i missed out on an experience. it was an ok book but lots of things irritated me (like the quotes from a future history book spoiling the FUCK out of the chapter) that made it less than i expected given the praise it gets.

>>5230346
>special spice cookies

I have made that recipe, and they are wonderful.

Just saying.

>>5232693
>>5232775 summed it up nicely, but I'd say that the first three are probably my favorite of his Dune books. The rest are definitely worth it as well, but the tone gets a bit different from there on out.

His son's books are... okay, I suppose. A few are decent, but some of them are atrocious. Basically, get your fix of the universe in what Frank wrote, then, if you really want to revisit the setting more than the story, go ahead and pick up the newer books.

>>5237327
It's an actual recipe? In the name of the Kawistaz Haderach, post it.

>>5237336
Ya hya chouhada, bitches.

>>5237336
SO I STABBED THAT FUCKER

Protip: Don't read Herbert's son books.

>>5232588
>I actually think that, if we ever do develop faster than light travel and expand out into the universe, the future will look a lot like Dune.
It depends on how the FTL works.

>>5232664
>If artificial intelligence is genuinely developed and turns out to be hostile, a Butlerian Jihad-style reaction is certainly possible.
But wait a minute! We have no AI yet. But that jihad wiped out all computers, no?

So in a world where there's not even computers similar to the 80's home computers, how the fuck can an ornithoper or a heighliner work?

>>5237547
>But that jihad wiped out all computers, no?
The jihad wiped out all technology that resembled a human brain.

>>5237547
>>5237552 this.

Computers didn't get wiped out completely, they just cannot be anything that resembles the thinking of mankind. So, simple stuff like the chips you'd see in control systems, laser weaponry, etc., are all fine. That computer that beat Jeopardy? Prepare for hot oil, torches, and pitchforks.

>>5237555
Not the anon you are talking to, but the Jihad was to destroy Artificial Intelligence, not all technology. Herbert's son changed this on his book 'The Butlerian Jihad' to a struggle against machines.

>>5237567
Ah, Brian...
Brian... Brian... Brian...

>>5237567
>Herbert's son changed this on his book 'The Butlerian Jihad' to a struggle against machines.
So, he turned it into "Terminator?"

Wow.

>>5237573
>mfw
>>5237577
Yes. Perhaps to make it more appealing. The book is not pure trash though.

>>5237577
Basically. Kevin J. Anderson is a writer of Star Wars novels and Brian shares Kevin's love for space adventures that lack all subtlety.

So anything that isn't super exciting is replaced with some sci-fi cliche Brian and Kevin find super exciting.

>>5237552
>resembled a human brain
And what is "resemble"? They must have some kinds of computers that they the closet and shroud it in mysticism (for 10 000 years). Because I'd say it's impossible to build a heighliner without having computers for the solid mechanics calculations.

>>5237622
They have Mentats, the human computers.
>muh sapho juice

>>5237555
>That computer that beat Jeopardy? Prepare for hot oil, torches, and pitchforks.
So let's assume that the Ixians (cool rationale for the name, btw) decides to not give a fuck and just steps out of the closet. Let's assume that this gives the Ixians so huge an advantage that they can stand their ground. What is the emperor going to do? Order the guild to ram heighliners into the planet?

>>5237631
And the mentats can calculate decimals on pi just like that?

Also, is there any example of an instance where the shit hits the fan because of no mentat?

>>5237641
From my understanding, several things would happen.

First, the Lansraad would vote to activate the collective atomics of the Houses, and begin plans to pound Ix from orbit.

Second, the Emperor would deploy the weight of the Sardukar terror legions against whatever Ix can throw at them. Plan on a bunch of House auxiliaries getting thrown in the grinder against them, if it truly did give them some advantages.

Finally, expect the Bene Gesserits to begin setting their (ubiquitous) contingencies into play, with well placed acolytes making pinpoint attacks against Ix's Houses, Great and Minor, as well as key infrastructure. The Guild could exercise their right to an outright boycott as well, should things continue to spiral beyond the ability of the three major player groups to contain.

>>5237654
>And the mentats can calculate decimals on pi just like that?
Probably, yes. If the mentat knew mathematics.

>>5237654
Mentats are insanely intelligent and fast. They drink sapho juice to imporve their abilities.
>no mentat
I don't remember. The ixians still use computers though.

>>5237654
>no mentat?
Mentats were still around post Jihad.

>>5237657
I see. But what if the AI would give Ix so huge an advantage that they can play Star Trek/Star Wars with the rest of them? And what if some houses are grateful that Ix showed the way? Because is the guild that loved and respected?

>>5237664
>>5237676
I'd love to get into the head of a mentat. Because the mind-numbing number crunching is not something I assoicate with a naïve mentality.

>>5237701
Sorry. I meant that if a house or any other organization doesn't have a mentat, will they suffer for it?

>>5237704
It would be a huge disadvantage to not have one if you're going up against a House that does have one.
Mentats are brilliant advisers.

Going from Children of Dune era Duncan where he was a cool mentat to the hotheaded more authentic Duncan of God Emperor of Dune was weird. Then to shota Duncan.

Dammit Duncan. Is Duncan the main character of the whole series?

You little faggots talking a bunch of horse-manure about Dune when your arguments are obviously entirely based on the Lynch movie.

Talking about Mentats and Orange Catholic Bible like you don't know what they are - yet youre the authority on Dune and why its shit? You're the judge of whats noteworthy, just, right and honorable scifi?

Just what the fuck are you smoking, ya hippie? Man up and grow a pair! Read the damn books and forget that Lynch music video trash - and the miniseries, too! Read it all, including the appendices and do it with an open mind or so help me I'm gonna come in there and whip your ass red!

And take out the garbage, damnit!

>>5227575
It's incredibly gripping. I went on holidays and spent a good 4 days of it on my bed reading dune. I was so happy though, that book is unbelievably good

>>5227680
>I just started listening to the audiobook

>>5235472
>Some of the best prose, if not the best, in science fiction.
Are you people serious or trolling?
I read about 20 pages of Dune because everyone said it was amazing, and the first time the villain appears he says (almost exactly):
>"I have set up a trap for (the father of Paul) and now he will fall in it and I'll win and conquer the planet. This is what I, the Count of Fuckwit, have done."
In the first sentence, he explains the setting, the future plot and introduces himself, in the most awkward way I've ever read in any book. A writer should let the plot unfold gradually, should let the reader understand what's happening, not take the easy route and make a character explain everything in 20 words.

It was so cringeworthy that I couldn't continue.

>>5238382
I got the original quote:
>"There it is, Piter, the biggest trap for men in history. And the Duke is plunging in it! I, Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, prepared it: isn't it wonderful?"
On what planet is this good or even excellent prose?

>>5238382
>I read about 20 pages of Dune because everyone said it was amazing, decided the entire series is shit

>>5227512

He is wrong. Ignore him. All of the Frank Herbert Dune books are great. Chapterhouoe and God Emperor both surpass Dune in my opinion.

>>5237480
AND TOOK HIS WATER. GET FOR THE FREMEN!

>>5237573
>>5237577
>>5237582

Why must he shit on his father's legacy?

>>5237702
>Because is the guild that loved and respected?

Fuck no. Throughout the books you get the feeling everyone dispises the guild. They have an absolute monopoly on space travel. Even the Baron hates them because it cost the harkonnens a buttfuckton of spice to get their troops to Arrakis. They are a neccesary evil because no one house or the emperor has the resources, navigators, and defense for space travel.

>>5239622
>Why must he shit on his father's legacy?
Do the books even sell?

>>5239622
>Fuck no. Throughout the books you get the feeling everyone dispises the guild. They have an absolute monopoly on space travel. Even the Baron hates them because it cost the harkonnens a buttfuckton of spice to get their troops to Arrakis. They are a neccesary evil because no one house or the emperor has the resources, navigators, and defense for space travel.
So if we assume that an AI would make their navigators obsolete. What would happen then?

>>5227473
OP, ignore this poster. Read books 1 through 6 - all the ones written by Frank Herbert. They are very good works of science fiction and additions to the Dune franchise.

Just pretend the sequels don't exist. You can fill in with your imagination.

>>5239622

quads

>>5243429
The navigators are already obsolete by Heretics of Dune, as is the Spice monopoly on Rakis.

>>5227509
Don't worry, it's a great short book

>>5227640
We need another claim for Maud'Dib, hal yawn

>>5227648
>I'd want Jadorowsky himself to team up with Guillermo Del Toro to make it

This would be fucking amazing.

I had such a sense of loss after seeing "Jodorowsky's Dune" that it wasn't ever made. Jodorowsky's probably too only to tackle something that big right now, but Del Toro could be his wingman.