/lit/ - Literature

>>5223715
Fuck off. These threads are shit.

Replace Huck Finn with The Count of Monte Cristo

Replace The Scarlett Letter with Evangelionb

>no Instructions of Shuruppak
>no Epic of Gilgamesh
>no Homer's Odyssey
>no Plato's Apology

Remove Brave New World add A Dance with Dragons

Remove Of Mice and Men add Starship Troopers

>No dictionary

The Crying of Lot 49

>no kafka

>>5223718
>monte cristo
Nothing better to start off reading than a 1000+ page book

>>5223838
>starter kit
>pynchon
no

The Old Man and The Sea?

>>5224169
I disagree. There isn't a better book to finish up Hemingway with.

Why is 'Night' on it? I found it dull, at least compared to other books on the Holocaust I've read.
>mfw I had to read like 5 books on the Holocaust in 10th grade

>>5224200
Agreed. Night is one of the most uninteresting holocaust books there are. Replace it with either Diary of Anne Frank (personal favorite), The Boy in the Stripped Pajamas or the Book Thief if you really want a holocaust book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6H8WcTPnWM

>>5224214
>The Book Thief
Wasn't that the plebby young adult novel with all those reader insert characters?
>wow everybody is so mean except for generic little boy and generic little girl, who are super nice and love the Jews
But then again, I only watched half the movie, not by choice

>>5224175
What's the best starter Hemingway?

I've only read For Whom the Bell Tolls and The Old Man and The Sea.

>>5224200
only 5?
surely, this must be a joke?

>>5224200
>My school had a holocaust literature class

>>5224247

The Sun Also Rises is a nice introduction to Hemmingway.

>>5224247
In Our Time
The Sun Also Rises
A Farewell to Arms

>>5224289
>>5224307

Note the current lack of US condemnation of the Gaza invasion.

>>5223715
not enough greeks for a starter kit

>>5223715
>The Scarlet Letter
>Night
>Fucking Nabokov
>Worst thing Hemingway ever wrote

It's like you're trying to venerate the unvirtuous.

I don't know about Of Mice and Men, Invisible Man, or Wilde, but everything else is a decent contribution for one reason or another.

Also, this:
>>5224968
No, seriously.
I'd suggest you throw in Plato's Apology or Book 1 of The Republic, but Marcus Aurelius's Meditations is probably a more accessible starting point.

>>5224557
The Sun Also Rises is a terrible introduction to Hemingway because it is nowhere near as moving as say, A Farewell to Arms or For Whom The Bell Tolls. That and it seemed relatively pointless as well, but perhaps I was so completely unmoved by the retarded plebeian characters that I missed the point. Seriously, it read like a series of Ye Olde Facebooke posts.

Maybe that would make it more accessible to the average person, but why stoop to pander to the masses if you can't even offer something meaningful or moving to them?

What about The Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy?

>>5223715
Yes, remove everything and read Shakespeare instead.

>>5223715
scarlett letter for as I lay dying

>>5225195
>as I lay dying
>starter
no

>>5225121
Invisible Man is very good. Moby Dick level classic.

>>5225121
the sun also rises is relateable as hell if you have any experience being around annoying couples or being in such a relationship. also it's 180 pages, shut it.

>>5225204
next to clockwork orange and american psycho yes it is

>>5225211
>relateable as hell if you have any experience being around annoying couples or being in such a relationship

Can you elaborate? I've not read it.

>>5225211
Ah, ok.

>also it's 180 pages, shut it.
The relative shortness of a bad (or less good) book is not a redeeming quality of that book.

>>5225211
The sun also rises is sort of about the Old world being gone, and trying to find meaning in the new one right?

>>5225121
>Book 1 of The Republic

Got this yesterday the introduction runs for half the book. Is it required reading ?

>>5225340
You came to the wrong neighborhood, partner.

>>5224247
Start with his short stories. They're much more engaging.

>>5225360

What ?

>>5223715
> One german author
> a shitload of U.S. and A.
come on /lit/ you can do better. I know German authors are hard to read but add a little bit of Brecht or Kafka at least

>>5225340
>the introduction runs for half the book. Is it required reading?
Only insofar as it provides context or summary for the work, or otherwise increases understanding of it. Any good intro should highlight the fact that every line, every little detail Plato writes, is significant in some way. It should also direct you to pay attention to the metaphors, and perhaps explain some of them.

The important parts are Books 1, 2, 6, 7, and 9. Maybe 10, don't know. These books lie at the heart of Plato's ethics, the rest are his politics and government, though they do serve as metaphors in his ethics.

FYI: Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics, on the other hand, is a bit more practical as it provides a method for living the Good life.

>>5223715
>anno domini 2014
>still listing Fear and Loathing as mandatory reading
are you STILL rebelling this hard against your parents?

this list should be renamed "Shit I Should Have Read In High School"

i'm pretty sure half of this list was required reading for me from 9th to 12th grade

>>5225440
Just because some people read some of them in school, doesn't mean that they aren't good starter books.

I never read any of those during high school.

>>5224238
I gotta say I enjoyed the book thief. Not as good as "city of thieves" though which is similar but unrelated

>>5225440
Your highschool required "Lolita"? -_O

>>5225446
>I never read any of those during high school.
how?

I actually just went through the list, only 3 books on here were never mentioned in any of my classes and i learned of them outside of school

>>5225440
You got a real Burger mentality, friend. Chill out.

>>5225468
Mr. Freeze pls

>>5225472
How are your parents, Batman?

>>5225463
In Denmark we mainly read Danish literature.

The only english thing we read in high school was A Soldier's Home by Hemingway. The entire world isn't America.

Fix'd

>>5225473

>>5225480
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? should be A Scanner Darkly.

>>5225482
Chill out.

>>5223715
>Fifty shades of Dorian Grey
>not Gray

hey, it´s fun to bitch about details

>>5225480
this is better than the original for sure
although i think that picture of dorian grey should be replaced by something else, maybe a portrait of the artist as a young man or some other Künstlerroman type novel

>>5225476
it's a predominantly American imageboard, and the starter kit has lots of American HS canon

Alright, guys, I fixed the chart.

>>5225489
Nope, best novel of PKD is The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch

Add Journey to the End of the Night

>>5224200
Going about this wrong. Holocaust a shit. Point is the horror of war. The Notebook by Agota Kristof is the best book on the subject and the only one that isn't fucking preachy bullshit.

>>5225513
great joke anon, we are all very happy for you!

>>5225532
hey that button says "applesauce"

>>5225242
Narrator has a lady friend of which things never worked out or resolved between then. Narrator has a friend who meets the lady friend and beta orbits the hell out of her, shenanigans ensue. All this as they chill in cool european cities.
>>5225252
redeemable for a starter book.

>>5225516
I didn't say it was his best. And his best is definitely The Transmigration of Timothy Archer.

>>5225566
Hey now!

>>5225513

Seems about right, knowing the pretentiousness of /lit/.

>>5225581
it's odd because little of this is covered directly or in depth in any 101 lit class which is where the rest of /lit/'s reading list comes from.

>>5225606
Besides the ones with actual literary merit (Odyssey, Republic, Bible), everything else was taken from the list of the oldest known texts.

>>5225613

I guess "irony" really died that day.

>>5225613
And little of /lit/ has actualy read those, excepting phil101fags, myth101fags and people who anons spent time in jail. Listen to any discussion here and it's obvious the only things people actually read are sci-fi and germans that aren't Nietzsche

>>5225631

If anything people here FORCE themselves into reading philosophy just to distance themselves form the masses.

>>5225641
Maybe the lurkers, but the posting mass is heavily weighted to kids who just learned some nifty new philosopher and are spouting the prof's words verbatim from a position of imagined authority. September IS when Plato and Nietzsche threads quadruple, if you haven't noticed.

There is plenty of quality discussion on more obscure subjects, but the core shit has that unmistakable academic odor. I still prefer it over the amateur philosophical posturing on subjects that are brainless shit, sources cited to anyone studying any science that covers humans and human nature.

>>5225480
>>5225506
replace dorian gray with the crying of lot 49

>>5225689
Why the fuck would the lurkers want to distance themselves from the masses by reading philosophy? If they are only lurking they have nothing to be pretentious about. I woukd say that the posters are the ones who would force themselves to read philosophy

East of Eden

>>5223715
Dorian Gray isn't bad, but the language is 2hard for beginners.
Otherwise don't tamper with the original list, faggot, 20 books was enough already, this is supposed to be a starting point, not exhaustive list,

>>5225912

where 's the original list?

>To Kill A Mocking Bird

White guild detected.

>>5225906
"Hey, Look! A beginner! Let's give him ALL of the pages."

>>5225480
oops, i meant to post this picture

>>5226113
>>>/pol/

get it through your fucking head
it's not meant to be taken seriously
fucking keep containment shit where containment shit belongs

holy fuck

>>5223715
Remove A Clockwork Orange

I buy that book once a month just to throw a copy away.

>>5227878
kik

>>5225480

COME AT ME

>>5228054


>the man who was thursday

mah nigga

>>5228072

Love it, even that ending that's comes outta fucking nowhere.

>>5224200
Are you guilty yet?

>>5228054
This chart is superior to any other in this thread. Thank God somebody had the sense to swap that awful Scarlet Letter book for something that's half decent at the very least.

>>5225480
i have absolutely no idea how you can have dostoyevsky, lolita and camus all in the same chart...they have 3 completely different levels of maturity and 3 different ideologies...

>>5230037
>I have absolutely no idea how people can handle reading things that aren't all from one perspective.

>>5230037
>3 completely different levels of maturity
And someone who's getting into literature can still enjoy them all

and 3 different ideologies...
So?