/lit/ - Literature

if books are so great why are you not rich and famous anon?

books are obviously shit and yeezus is, once again, ahead of his time

>>5215852
The person who said that quote is in fact rich and famous.

>>5215858
exactly

Book's were a great source of information.

There are now better sources of information. It devalues books some.

People have differing value's of there own time on this earth. West feels that his time is not used wisely on reading books.

He should remove the bias from bad books but he might see that as a element of himself. Not something I'd want attached to me but I'm not him.


Why should you care what someone else thinks?

He didn't denounce literature, he denounced books. Don't act like pre-deletion Kanye tweets don't comprise a literary work on par with Hamlet.

>>5215820
Except this book, of course:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kanye-West-Biography-Greenwood-Biographies/dp/0313374600

>>5215820
Novel-length prose is virtually always self-absorbed. The idea that someone would want pay money to spend several hours to read 80k words of your personal thoughts is pretty egotistical. Art is by necessity self-centered.

>>5215880
post some tweets then

>>5215820
It makes sense that he feels this way because he's a creator that operates in a totally different field. A lot of writers don't give a shit about movies, for example.

>>5215906
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mlew15/25-of-kanye-wests-most-thought-provoking-tweets-h0se?s=mobile

>>5215906
hint: it's a metaphor

>>5215874
>People have differing value's of there own time on this earth
>there own time
>he might see that as a element of himself
>a element
You and Kanye should both be hitting the books, anon.

>>5215955
yeah, fuck books! hit em hard!

>>5215820
Kanye calls other people self absorbed. Dude is a hero.

I AM A GOD
I AM A GOD
I AM A GOD

Kanye's a smart man, I doubt this was anything other than a ruse.

>>5216929
Probably less of a ruse, and more of a marketing and branding ploy. Most people are intimidated by an intelligent black man.

>>5216935
I think more likely kanye knew that nerds would react violently against it making him more of a controversial and cool artist, popular amongst only the hippest of youths

he's basically an ironic tripfag albeit a famous musician

most of the people I know who like him believe the marketing, the people who "get" the marketing post here sometimes (but still basically buy into the marketing)

he's a nonentity to me

>>5215820
>Sometimes people write novels and they just be so wordy and so self-absorbed.
I agree

>I am not a fan of books.

But HOW?! Books are our everything; they generate formal thought, store information, refine our cultures, question our very natures and assumptions, they are perhaps the great form of entertainment, etc, etc, etc!

> I would never want a book's autograph
Books are not sentient (in a biological sense) and they lack arms and hands: they cannot give autographs.

> I am a proud non-reader of books.
This man (a rapper, I am told) has offended me. Perhaps controversy was his ultimate goal in making this statement?

>>5218730
>Books are not sentient (in a biological sense) and they lack arms and hands: they cannot give autographs.


take everything literally.

>>5215935
i dont get it

>>5218741
Seriously? I genuinely laughed out loud, it made me want to listen to kanye's music

>>5218730
ur retarded
filtered

>>5218745
explain please, to me

>>5218764
well it's just funny isn't it, not all comedy can be explained

>>5218764
the water bottle is... a baby

>>5215858
are you retarded?

Who is Kayne West?
Google showed me he's one of those shitty modern pop/rap singers. Looks like an idiot.

>>5218807
He is the greatest english language music artist of the 21st century

>>5218807
Google showed me that his album My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is considered the greatest album of the past 14 years

nope google said he's rap
so he's rubbish

>>5218836
it's pretty fantastic, yes

>>5218848
I'll check it out. Scanning through the wiki page now looks pretty interesting, didn't know Kanye was so self-aware

>>5215955
>missing the error in the very first word

>>5218836
but it's not, kanye is good but that album is fucking boring

>>5218878
"is considered"

>>5218878
It's his most maximalist work ever, how the fuck is it boring?

>>5218836
Daft Punk's Discovery was released in 2001, so no.

>>5218911
kanye>>>>>>>>daft punk

>>5218911
Except Discovery is shit, ty /mu/

>they just be so wordy
AY MAN YO I GOTTA READ THEM WORDS AND SHIT DAT'S RAYCIST
BIX NOOD

>>5218894
maybe that's why? maximalism works for the reviews and the hype, but when you finally get to listen to it you realize that the album is full of unoriginal and boring ornaments
it sounds too premeditated

>>5215820
WELCOME TO HEARTBREAK

AND MY HEAD KEEP SPINNIN'
CAN'T STOP HAVING THESE VISIONS
I GOTTA GET WITH IT

UUUHU UUHUHU UUUUUUUUUUUU

I'VE SEEN IT
I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE
I'VE SEEN IT
I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE
I'VE SEEN IT
I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE

>>5218764
he's ecologically aware

^_^
>>5218701
Exactly.
His mom was an English teacher, so most people would say no way he hates books and call him out on his bullshit, but then again, how many people do you know that actively read actual books?

They probably do read though, all day long, facebook feeds and news articles and all that.
>>5218836
Yeah, google's right on that one.
>>5218894
>Sounds too premeditated
if you want an album that's not "premeditated" then listen to Yeezus.

but then again its just bleeps and bloops and a black guy shouting over it

isn't it?

>>5218843

le wrong generation i see. i too am a defener of real music not like (c)rap

>>5219132
I gave a listen to yeezus and I liked it, you didn't? but I don't really have an opinion on it, Iistened to it only one time cause actually lately I've been sticking to the classics when it comes to hip hop (I don't mean that I find the new stuff shit) but I'm still a fan of the guy so I wanted to hear its new work
I'm not saying that there weren't parts of mbdtf that I enjoyed, but as a whole i didn't find it so great, maybe I had just too many expectations, cause for the rest of the world it's seem to be the masterpiece that I was expecting

I saw Drinking Buddies the other day, in it Ron Livingston describes John Updike as one of those authors "that wrote about God, pussy, and themselves." This seemed apt.

>>5218815
Some say he's doing something mean to it

>>5219612
Doing better than anybody you've ever seen do it?

>>5219292
No, I've liked it, probably the least liked album for me would be Late Registration, except for the first 3 songs and some other songs later on, you can see how he jumped from 20 songs an album to 10 and the quality massively increased.

You really have to be invested into Kanye as a person and understand the time when the album was being made and what he was going through, for instance you can't figure out what Blame Game is about if you don't know about his love life at the time and before that.

>>5215820
Did....did he actually say this?

Because if he did....shit, I thought I couldn't dislike him anymore than I already do.

>>5219830
I'm sorry but this is not relevant to the topic of literature. There is music board for browsing if you would like to discuss music

>>5219830
>You really have to be invested into Kanye as a person

Oh god, why? Why would you ever want to be invested in him as a person? Ugh.

>>5219843
Have you reported all the other posts here that talk about Kanye and music?

Such as but not limited to
>>5218815
>>5219612
>>5219616
>>5219602
>>5219292
>>5219205
>>5219132
>>5219056
>>5218931
>>5218918
>>5218911
>>5218894
>>5218878
>>5218807

Or are you just butthurt that I'm a better tripfriend than you, universally acclaimed.

I'm literally Kanye and you're like DJ Mustard or something.
>>5219849
Because you can enjoy his music better then, I'd guess.

Some music doesn't require that like Thom and the Yorkes, Johnny and The Greenwoods, etc, but a lot of Kanye's lyrics need you to be american and aware of the stuff happening around him, to him, to his city (CHI TOWN STAND UP), or just the american society in general.

How can you expect a 20 year old Norwegian dude to understand lyrics like

"I'm just saying how I feel man
I ain't one of the Cosby's, I ain't go to Hillman"

or

"Lauryn Hill said her heart was in ZAnnotateion
I wish her heart still was in rhyming
Cause who the kids gon' listen to, huh?
I guess me if it isn't you
Last week I paid a visit to the Institute
They got the Dropout keeping kids in the school
I guess I cleaned up my act like Prince'd do
If not for pleasure, then at least for the principle
They got the CD, they got to see me
Drop gems like I dropped out of PE"


banal examples, but you get the drift.
you have to be invested in the whole ecosystem he's living in to understand what he's talking about fully.
then again that goes for most stuff

there are really people in this thread that listen to this clown in op's pic and think his "music" is not only good, but great.

Dont you guys feel ashamed? You listen to this inferior trash and then have the guts to come here and give opinions about literary giants of the past and even dare to say that some of them are bad. You, that admire kw, dare to give your opinion about literature or any form of art? Don't you see how disgustin, even immoral this is? It hurts me to know that people like you exist.

>>5219927
oh fuck off

>>5219889
>Cause who the kids gon' listen to, huh?
>I guess me if it isn't you


Most of the teenagers I know are listening to music from the 80s, not Kanye West. He appeals to a specific demographic, a rebel without a cause, so to speak. Which is why his music won't last the test of time, future generations won't care about his issues, and his music isn't historically based enough to make it a topic of discussion in the future.

>>5219948

>defending the low iq clown and his mediocre "art".

Are you trolling or talking seriously (please, be trolling)?

If not trolling, then kill yourself. Your grandfather and your father would be disappointed to see you listening to this kind of scum.

And you fuck off, gay fish.

Usually reading doesn't seem to serve much of a purpose.

I mean, I'm sure most people here consider their opinions to be intelligent, but obviously they're not intelligent enough if this entire board hasn't come to a consensus on various subjects.

>>5219927
You know you can like a Kanye West and a Haydn or Schubert at the same time right? Nobody think of Kanye as art music, at least I hope not, he's just kind of fun.

>>5220019
Kanye is art music, though.

>>5220031
I don't really think so. he's pretty good at what he does but theres not much going on most of the time. At best he's some kind of post-modern art.

>>5220036
He apparently "raps about his feelings" so that makes his music good or some shit.

Sounds like garbage though.

>>5220040
The interesting things about Kanye are his ego/insecurity dichotomy and his intertexuality. I don't think there's enough there to label him as art music. The main things that drive his music are typically simply melody and rhythm, with a nod to cool textures.

>>5218836
>eating shit with one carrot embedded is better than shit without a carrot
ok...your point?

>>5220010
>reading doesn't seem to serve much of a purpose.

This is the most abhorent, disgusting thing I've ever read on this board. Reading is everything. It makes poor men rich, ignorant men wise, it raises mankind's awareness of all the infinite possibilities in the world, because it gives you an insight into the mind of the writer, which in turn irretrievably connects you together.
I remember passages and important pieces of text from books I read years and years ago, and it all stays with me, coming out of the woodwork to help me make connections and deal with problems and see things through another's eyes. Reading is the great human passage of information.

>>5220077
I agree with this anon, writing/reading is one of the main foundations of civilization.

>>5220040
Jesus, you are dense for someone into literature. You're thinking on the surface level. You're thinking, "If Kanye says something that comes across as clever or insightful, it's deep." But that's such a pre-modern way to look at art. The way he interacts with the listener, building and subverting metamusical expectations, commenting on multiple metamusical, sociopolitical and personal subjects with single lines is brilliant. What work has played jump rope with the line between irony and sincerity as effectively as Yeezus? From the opening seconds of On Sight, to the chorus of I Am A God, to the final spoken sample of Bound 2, no other work of any medium has worked with such an ambiguity of awareness of its context. I'm not saying Yeezus is brilliant because it showcases great technical compositional proficiency or especially novel aesthetic innovations (though autotuned Chief Keef, Justin Vernon, '80s guitars and trap beats have never been fused so artfully), I'm saying its ability to project outwardly from itself and work in a space so self-aware (yet somehow sometimes simultaneously ham-handedly solipsistic) that it shatters any post-post-modern dichotomy between affectation and sincerity sets it apart from other works of art. The whole album skips back and forth over the "is this dude serious?" line, only for Bound 2 to answer with a resounding "we have no fucking clue." Where the recent metamodernists have decided that continual sinusoidal oscillation between critical points of intense sincerity and irony is a valid solution to the nihilism inherent in extreme postmodernity, Kanye instead manipulates for the oscillation of the listener's perception rather than affecting a self-defeatingl y earnest oscillation of himself. In this way, Yeezus can be seen as a work of meta-metamodernism. To call the album "ahead of its time" would be a vast understatement.

>>5220085
Is this nigga for real?

>>5220102
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>>5220113
oh dear, first time I've fallen for copypasta. I feel dirty.

>>5220077

You kinda just pulled some words out of your ass and failed to explain why reading past a certain point matters.

For example you probably know more than me about random shit but I doubt it's gotten you anywhere.

>>5220085
I bet you also think Basquiat was a genius.

>>5220130
She say I care more about them basquions
Basquiats, she learning a new word, it's yacht

>>5220102
I don't know why it's posted all the time because it's really not that remarkable of a post, but everything it's saying is right. I guess the idea of people talking about anything beyond "hurrrr le bitchus" in hip-hop music is just too far beyond /lit/'s worldview

>>5220133
To be honest I don't even know what modernism, post modernism etc is.

>>5220148
Then you probs won't enjoy yeezus past the surface level

which is fine, there's much more important stuff in this world than post-modernism and metamodernism but you shouldn't hate on kanye

>>5220156
He wouldn't enjoy it anyway because it sounds like shit.

>>5220165
I really like it, what in particular puts you off?

>>5220166
What's there to say? I don't like the taste of sherbert ice cream. I don't like the sound of Kanye's music.

>>5220156
Is there a book which explains these kind of ideas?

>>5220132
Stupid.

>>5220175
Quite a few, Simulacra and Simulation's a good'un but you'd honestly be fine just looking through some definitions and articles online and then diving into some starter books considered "modernist" or "post-modern", all the best understanding comes firsthand
>>5220173
For instance: I don't like the taste of sherbert ice cream _because_ it's too sweet for me. Vanilla is sweet too but not to the same extent, I don't get the same kind of fullness of taste in sherbert.

>>5220184
why

>>5220192
>because_ it's too sweet for me
Nothing like that. It's not "too" sweet or anything. It just tastes bad.

>>5220216
Sorry you can't articulate your opinions I guess

>>5220184
stupid. But what the hell do i know?
i'm just a chi town nigga with a nas flow.

>>5220173
>>5220216
Wow I've never seen such an open admission of stupidity. Fair play brother

>>5220132

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1F4Q8Rtvl4

>>5220221
There's nothing to articulate.

>>5220241
So you don't dislike it then? You have no opinions on it?

>>5219927
yeah bro rev me up some of that tom waits bob dylan emotional music for us old people u feel me bro
>>5219988
>He appeals to a specific demographic, a rebel without a cause, so to speak.
The whole punk genre appealed to a specific demographic - teens and young adults (wow can't believe I'm using this term outside of a book genre, first time ever lol) who didn't quite like everything around them (fucking parents man, fucking school, fucking hell goddamn).

Punk is dead (except for maybe Misfits, but they're just alive on paper), but the music is still there.

Future generations WILL care about his issues, because his issues are universal yet very personal at the same time, especially on MBDTF.

Every artist writes about unrequited love and stuff like that, because that's the shit that's gonna be relevant a million years from now, so will stuff like Power (yes, the single), Consumerism, insecurity, and the willingness to overcome yourself (again, power).

>>5219992
wow u sure showed him
you watch south park and you're telling someone what to listen to

lmfuckingfao
>>5220085

Someone post the one where Lou Reed comes into his house and says that it's time to go.
>>5220173
>>5220166
I bet he listens to 5 seconds of On Sight and he's like "I didn't sign up for none of that skrillex bullshit!".

pic related it's people who hate kanye, who like kanye, and who kanye really is except he can back it up with his grammies.

>>5220238
I'm only admitting that sometimes something tastes like shit for reasons other than an excess bitterness or sweetness.

Kanye's music sounds like shit because it sounds like shit.

Can you faggots please, please, please, please go back to /mu/. Please. Please.

>>5220247
hey tom waits can be cool as well as kanye
>>5220252
Kanye haters and Kanye lovers aren't exclusive to /mu/, though both occupy the board (and unlike /lit/, won't discuss it beyond a pissing match)

>>5220061
>WE'RE BORN IN THE WRONG CENTURY AMIRITE GUYS :^ )

>>5220248
>Kanye's music sounds like shit because it sounds like shit.
Why is he the most successful rapper out there then if it sounds so shit?
Maybe if you wrote that book we'd be having threads about you instead of Kanye.
Shooting up your high school helps too I guess.