/lit/ - Literature

I'm starting to think that summer is real and we really do have an influx of American kids that were given Conrad and Dostoevsky to read.

btw Dostoevsky is better than Nabokov

>>5217554
>I'm starting to think that summer is real

Do Yuropoors etc not believe in summer?

>>5217571
>btw Dostoevsky is better than Nabokov

This.

actually I just opened one of his books up on gutenberg.org

you're right OP, it's awful
realist fiction is always awful

>Immediately after the elopement Adelaïda Ivanovna discerned in a flash that she had no feeling for her husband but contempt. The marriage accordingly showed itself in its true colors with extraordinary rapidity.

>LE MARRIAGE IS HARD FAEC

fuck sake

>>5217571
This person just posted this comment in another thread and was so frustrated that his "erudite" opinion wasn't respected he had to make a thread about it.

By the way, you're wrong. Read Despair to see Nabokov tool on him. And I say this as a huge Dostoyevsky fan.

seriously, realist fiction is garbage

>how to write stylelessly on mundane details

>>5217581
hahahhaahahaha

post Nabokov quote m8

>>5217583
You don't sound like you've read any realist fiction

>>5217583
>staying firmly in the aesthetic sphere

>>5217578

Get a load of this pleb. Can't stay focused if there's no half elven rogues and dragon maidens to keep you entertained?

>>5217578
was your account hacked m8 wtf

>>5217588
realism is just artistic laziness m8
no passion or vision required, just a dull objectivity
In a realist novel entire paragraphs go by of dull commentary on meaningless facts.
This isn't how it's supposed to be. If a sentence doesn't NEED to be there it should be thrown out.

>>5217592
I've been feeling like absolute shit last few days so expect slightly worse post quality.

>>5217597
teenager detected

u got sum hot opinions m8

I think the novel form might be a complete scam.

>>5217597
OK mate that's enough.

>>5217584
Might take me a while, but I'll try to find a good one. I have to dig it out and look through it and all that. But it shouldn't be too hard. In the second half of the book, he mocks him on a fairly regular basis.

>>5217571
no

>>5217602
that's my speciality :)

>>5217554
>implying /lit/ has rules
>implying that Dosto being a hack wouldn't increase the ammount of ''what does /lit/ think of Dosto?'' bait threads wouldn't increase tenfold.

I dont know about you guys but I read Crime and Punishment and liked it a lot.

maybe Plato was right about poetry in general
first you have God, then you have a person who derives his virtue from God, then you have a poet who derives his virtue from people who derive their virtue from God. So poetry is twice removed from the truth, being a representation of a representation of virtue. So what's the point exactly?
I guess it can be "entertaining" but the way that critics talk about lit you'd think it was some hot shit. Maybe lit is for lonely people that need someone to talk to and really people's taste in lit is defined by what kind of friend they want.

nabokov sucks, especially lolita. awful hack sentimentality couched in purple prose.

read some of the quotes if you've forgotten how awful he is:

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1268631-lolita-or-the-confessions-of-a-white-widowed-male

>>5217630
God doesn't exist and virtues are a spook. You couldn't be more wrong.

>>5217631
the book should be cut down from him first meeting Loli to her giving him an orgasm by sitting on his lap, and then sold as what it is: erotica.

>>5217634
But if you're right m8 then literature is just a haunted house and the only reason for going there is to shout ayy lmao at all the spooks.

>>5217644
Take your meds.

>>5217597
Good standard prose >>poetic prose>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Utilitarian prose

>>5217630
many poets write to glorify what is god.

it's funny that Eminem is the best poet of the last 20 years isn't it?

>>5217631
>purple prose.

i dont think you know what that means

>>5217657
It's funny that you've erupted into stupidity in this thread. To think about an hour ago I was asking to suck your dick.

>>5217657
Troll detected

>>5217673
Think about it. I'm not saying Eminem is good I'm saying that at least he had a voice. Who competes with him? Slam poets that do exactly what he does but worse and without a vulgar beat to back up their vulgarity, or academic poets who are beta cuckold men writhing in pained abstractions due to their "existential angst" i.e. emasculation, or women trying very hard to convince themselves they are "intellectual" (whatever that means)

>>5217671
It's OK m8 I don't like homosex anyway.

>>5217597
Realism is just a type of fiction.

Ahem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEaPDNgUPLE

>>5217630
>Maybe lit is for lonely people that need someone to talk to and really people's taste in lit is defined by what kind of friend they want.

>>5217683
Billy Collins is pretty good. Certainly better than Eminem. I'm guessing you don't really keep up with contemporary poetry, yet still like to run your mouth about how awful it is. It's a sad display.

>>5217689
all this is true except
>Billy Collins is pretty good. Certainly better than Eminem.

>>5217686
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJEXrNbVktQ

check out Eminem in his juvenile "purple" days

>>5217689
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3033614.stm

>>5217697
Ya that tune is good, but Biggie's still da man

>>5217698
>see kids? learning is fun! poetry is like rap!
>now will you please buy my book...

>>5217704
Haha, you sure showed Heaney!!

>>5217627
I prefer the Demons. Let's see if brothers can beat it.

>>5217683
Confirmed for not listening to any hip hop, let alone reading any poetry

For all of the reasons you just described, Kanye West is superior

>Commanding authorial voice
>Vulgar music to back vulgar ideas
>Existential angst turned into dominance
>Recognition of intellectualism but slapping it aside

Eminem hasn't done anything of worth in years : Kanye is pushing boundaries further than he ever as.

Eminem is inherently hip hop for white people who don't like hip hop. At least white people who actually know about hip hop listen to better, albeit backpackin, artists

>>5217670
Not him, but I looked at those quotes and most of them were purple as fuck (though admittedly taken out of context).

>>5217717
Kanye is dogshit and that last album is a wank version of Death Grips

>>5217717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGs_qK2PQA
Brah, srs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GygEAcFFMVs

>>5217731
You're on a literature board, surely you can see that Yeezus is lyrically entirely different from Death Grips. and sonically too.
>hurrrr I know who death grips is
if everyone putting noise in dey beats is necessarily a wank version of someone else, everyone is just ripping off Dalek.
>>5217732
>rap god
post discarded

>>5217712
I'd be skeptical when some academic comes out with a stupid opinion that helps generate a buzz.

>sheltered white liberals discussing rap
So embarrassing.

Screenshot your posts so you can look at them in a year or two and feel like shit.

>>5217717
>Commanding authorial voice
His voice literally gets shaky like he's about to cry when he shouts.
>Vulgar music to back vulgar ideas
You mean polished music to back generic ideas? There's nothing vulgar about Kanye's music that couldn't be found in any other rap music.
>Existential angst turned into dominance
More like existential angst never acknowledged and diffused into base materialism.
>Recognition of intellectualism but slapping it aside
Oh, God. What part of Kanye's music demonstrates a "recognition of intellectualism"? You better not say "b-but he namedropped Basquiat."

Kanye makes pop music that makes you feel better about yourself, that's all.

>>5217717
>tfw Kanye started off as a backpackin artist

>>5217739
Rap God is fucking amazing dude and you're dumb if you don't think so.

The is actually nobody else in the world who could've made Rap God, and so Eminem fucking did it.

>>5217743
>His voice literally gets shaky like he's about to cry when he shouts.
I didn't mean his literal voice, buddy.
>You mean polished music to back generic ideas? There's nothing vulgar about Kanye's music that couldn't be found in any other rap music.
His music isn't all polished, and even when it was polished (College Dropout and Late Registration) it was far from generic. And while the lyrical content of his music isn't any more shocking than any other artist (hi Brotha Lynch Hung called), his arrogance and artistic approach is more vulgar than just about anyone else in music currently.
>More like existential angst never acknowledged and diffused into base materialism.
did you really not listen to My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy or are you just that thick.
>What part of Kanye's music demonstrates a "recognition of intellectualism"? You better not say "b-but he namedropped Basquiat."
Thematically he recognizes overt intellectualism by coasting ideas of racism and sexuality but brushes past them in how he treats them. But if you want to stick to the most shallow form of recognizing more respected ideas and figures, then here's one; he sampled Can.

>>5217770
Kanye West is not vulgar he is very boring.

>>5217770
>I would never want a books autograph.
~Kanye West

>>5217772
Insightful
>vulgar equals interesting
God only knows what trash you read

>>5217776
I don't read, but if I do read I read the Bible, Kierkegaard, some of the saints, and ancient books because everything modern except Kierkegaard is garbage.

>>5217776

Probably Joyce.

>>5217775
>All art is quite useless
~Oscar Wilde
>what is a joke
>if someone said something, intentionally or jokingly, that can be construed as dumb, it's fine to dismiss everything they ever did

>>5217778
haha wow. time to rev up that 4chanX filter I guess
>>5217779
hey, Joyce don't deserve that

>>5217782
>What is a joke?
Do you know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxlJLz9M8hQ

This tune is fucking sick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSbZidsgMfw

>>5217770
>then here's one; he sampled Can.
surely you dont think that actually means anything

>>5217787
Nice gif choice m8

>a thread about dostoevsky has turned into 'look how retarded i am'

fucking trips derailing threads

>>5217778
reported for shitposting

REMINDER: NOBODY HATED ON DOSTOEVSKY DURING THE SPRING, OR THE WINTER, OR THE FALL. THIS HATRED IS THE RESULT OF SUMMERFAGS; DO NOT FALL FOR THEIR TRICKS.

>>5217770
i think the hype for my beautiful dark twisted fantasy is purely bandwagon hype by people who aren't clever enough to think for themselves. its his most ambitious and imaginative work, best ideas and production but falls a bit flat on lyrics sometimes and suffers hugely on features, pretty much all of them are bad and bring the album down. theres a good share of not good hooks too.

>>5217857
The only thing worse than the purported influx of 'summerfags', a ridiculous hypothesis when considering the ever increasing accessibility of the internet, is the idiots yelling 'summerfags' at every conceivable chance, presumably in order to express their familiarity with the world of 4chan, or, to put it another way, 'be down with the kids'. You are no different to that middle-aged uncle who likes to wear baseball caps backwards and use out of date slang like, 'out there' or 'wicked'.

>>5217959
>this is what summerfags believe

>>5217959
You can't deny that there are definitely peak-times at which boards turn to absolute shit.

>>5217644
LMAO

>>5217597
m8 are you 3 or somethink like that???

>>5217717
pls STFU

>>5217732
terrible

>>5217631
>sentimentality couched in purple prose.
lol you didn't get it