/lit/ - Literature

>>517630
Not guide guy. My dick is hard as a rock for this list.

>>517645

I have ancient through modern basically done, although we're accepting input if anyone has any suggestions.

bump

what list?

>>517701

I'm making an idiosyncratic but hopefully somewhat comprehensive list for Western philosophy. A helpful anon is making it into a guide.

bumping

Awesome. I look forward to this.

>>517759

I'm going to wait for the guide guy to show up or until I've finished tinkering with the draft open for comments.

who is this actress that you obsess over

>>517781

This great actress.

>>517825
ITT: Isabelle Huppert obsesses over onionring

Okay, well, fuck it.

ANCIENT PHILOSOPHY

The Pre-Socratics (helps to understand the intellectual context in which Socrates, Plato, Aristotle developed and lived) – Early Greek Philosophy (Penguin Classics); the fragments of Heraclitus, Parmenides of Elea, Xenophanes, and Empedocles, many available online; The Greek Sophists (Penguin Classics); The Art and Thought of Heraclitus by Charles Kahn; The Pythagorean Sourcebook and Library: An Anthology of Ancient Writings Which Relate to Pythagoras and Pythagorean Philosophy (edited by Guthrie and Fideler); (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/presocratics/))

Socrates (BCE469-369) – The Trial of Socrates by I. F. Stone (Stone argues that “Socrates was an anti-democratic reactionary whose philosophy posed a genuine threat to liberal ideals...”), The Clouds by Aristophanes (a satirical play in which Socrates figures prominently by a contemporaneous playwright), Conversations of Socrates by Xenophon (a contemporary of Socrates who wrote “the only [portrait] other than Plato's that’s survived)

Plato (BCE427-348) – [Later translations are usually more accessible. I’m not a fan of Jowett.] (EARLY) Apology, Crito, Euthyphro (holiness, the Euthyphro dilemma), Laches (courage), Protagoras (the teachability of virtue), Gorgias (rhetoric vs. philosophy), Meno (virtue, Meno’s paradox), (MIDDLE) Parmenides (Forms), Phaedo (the death of Socrates, the afterlife), Phaedrus (love and rhetoric), Republic (politics, the state, the soul), Symposium (true love, the Ladder of Love), Theætetus (knowledge), (LATER) Critias (Atlantis!), Sophist (more Forms), Timaeus (the purpose of the universe), Plato and the Socratic Dialogue: The Philosophical Use of a Literary Form by Charles Kahn, Plato on Knowledge and Forms by Gail Fine, Plato by Constance Meinwald whenever it’s available (solid overview), The Open Society and Its Enemies: The Spell of Plato by Karl Popper (a rather politicized 20th century criticism of Plato)

Aristotle (BCE384–322) – [The Oxford translations are best.] The Nicomachean Ethics (virtue ethics, leads into Politics), Rhetoric, Metaphysics, Poetics, Politics, Aristotle on Nature and Living Things: Philosophical and Historical Studies by Allan Gotthelf, Aristotle by Christopher Shields (solid overview), Routledge History of Philosophy, Volume II: From Aristotle to Augustine by David Furley

The City and Man by Leo Strauss (essays on classical Greek culture and philosophy)

Cynicism (BCE 4th century) - The Cynics: The Cynic Movement in Antiquity and Its Legacy (edited by R. Bracht Branham and Marie-Odile Goulet-Cazé), Diogenes of Sinope: A Study of Greek Cynicism by Farrand Sayre (dude lived in a box)

Epicureanism vs. Stoicism (BCE 3rd century, revival of Stoicism during the Roman Empire) – The Cambridge Companion to Epicureanism and The Cambridge Companion to the Stoics,
Epicurus (BCE341-270)- The Essential Epicurus: Letters, Principal Doctrines, Vatican Sayings, and Fragments
Lucretius (BCE99-55) – The Nature of Things
vs.
Seneca the Younger (BCE4-CE65)- Letters from a Stoic (Penguin Classics),
Epictetus (CE55-135) - Discourses and Selected Writings (Penguin Classics)
Marcus Aurelius, the Roman Emperor (CE121-180) - Meditations

Skepticism (originates in BCE 1st century, Sextus was a later Roman) - The Greek Sceptics: From Pyrrho To Sextus by Norman Maccoll
Sextus Empiricus (c.CE160-210) - Outlines of Pyrrhonism

Neoplatonism (CE 3rd century +) – Neoplatonism by Richard Wallis, Neoplatonism and Gnosticism by Richard Wallis, The Neoplatonists by John Gregory,
Plotinus (CE204–270) – The Enneads

Gnostic Christianity - Ancient Gnosticism: Traditions And Literature by Birger Pearson, the Nag Hammadi library (The Nag Hammadi Library in English by James Robinson), Gnosticism and Christianity in Roman and Coptic Egypt (Studies in Antiquity and Christianity) by Birger Pearson

St. Augustine (CE354-430) – On Christian Doctrine, Confessions (autobiography), City of God, Augustine of Hippo: A Biography by Peter Brown

MEDIEVAL PHILOSOPHY - Time, Creation and the Continuum: Theories in Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages by Richard Sorabji

Tertullian (CE c. 160 – c. 220) - Tertullian: A Historical and Literary Study by Timothy Barnes

Scholasticism - Scholasticism: Personalities and Problems of Medieval Philosophy by Josef Pieper; Philosophy in the Middle Ages: The Christian, Islamic, and Jewish Traditions by Arthur Hyman and James Walsh; The Cambridge History of Later Medieval Philosophy: From the Rediscovery of Aristotle to the Disintegration of Scholasticism, 1100-1600; A History of Jewish Philosophy in the Middle Ages by Colette Sirat; The Aristotle Adventure: A Guide to the Greek, Arabic, and Latin Scholars Who Transmitted Aristotle's Logic to the Renaissance by Burgess Laughlin; Aristotle's Children: How Christians, Muslims, and Jews Rediscovered Ancient Wisdom and Illuminated the Middle Ages by Richard Rubenstein

St. Anselm (c. 1033-21 April 1109) - Monologion and Proslogion With the Replies of Gaunilo and Anselm, St. Anselm: A Portrait in a Landscape by Richard Southern

Thomas Aquinas (c. 1225 –7 March 1274) – Summa Theologica, Thomas Aquinas: Selected Writings (Penguin Classics), The Christian Philosophy Of St Thomas Aquinas by Etienne Gilson, St. Thomas Aquinas by Ralph McInerny, Guide to Thomas Aquinas by Josef Pieper

William of Ockham (c. 1288-c. 1348) - Philosophical Writings: A Selection, The Cambridge Companion to Ockham

Erasmus (1466-1536) - The Praise of Folly and Other Writings (Norton Critical Editions)

Martin Luther (1483-1546) - Here I Stand: A Life of Martin Luther by Roland Bainton, Concerning Christian Liberty and The Bondage of the Will, The Jews and Their Lies

John Calvin (1509-1564) – The Institutes of the Christian Religion, The History and Character of Calvinism by J.T. McNeill

MODERN PHILOSOPHY (1600s to the early 1900s)

The Cambridge History of Renaissance Philosophy
The Cambridge Companion to Renaissance Philosophy
Renaissance Thought and the Arts by Paul Kristeller

Rationalism – The Courtier and the Heretic by Matthew Stuart (great book on Leibniz and Spinoza), Philosophers at War: The Quarrel between Newton and Leibniz by Alfred Hall (on the origins of calculus), The Renaissance and 17th Century Rationalism (edited by H. Parkinson)
René Descartes (1596-1650) –Meditations on First Philosophy (one of the most important texts for understanding Western philosophy), Discourse on Method, Receptions of Descartes: Cartesianism and Anti-Cartesianism in Early Modern Europe by Tad M. Schmaltz
Baruch Spinoza (1632-1677)- Ethics, Tractatus Theologico-Politicus, Spinoza by Michael Della Rocca
Gottfried Leibniz (1646-1746) – The Monadology; Theodicy: Essays on the Goodness of God, the Freedom of Man, and the Origin of Evil; Leibniz by Nicholas Jolley
Voltaire – Candide (in which he mocks Leibniz’s Theodicy)

Enlightening the World: Encyclopedie, The Book That Changed the Course of History by Philipp Blom
Diderot: A Critical Biography by Philip Furbank
France in the Enlightenment by Daniel Roche

British Empiricism - British Empiricism and the Enlightenment by Stuart Brown, British Empiricism and American Pragmatism: New Directions and Neglected Arguments by Robert Roth
John Locke (1632-1704) – An Essay Concerning Human Understanding, Locke by E. J. Lowe
David Hume (1711-1776) – An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, An Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals, Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion, A Progress of Sentiments by Annette Baier, Death and Character: Further Reflections on Hume by Annette Baier, Hume's Problem: Induction and the Justification of Belief by Colin Howson
George Berkeley – A Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge, Three Dialogues Between Hylas and Philonous, George Berkeley: Idealism and the Man by David Berman

The Copernican Revolution by Thomas Kuhn

The Scientific Revolution - The Beginnings of Western Science by David Lindberg, The Rise of Magic in Early Medieval Europe by Valerie Flint, Magic in the Middle Ages by Richard Kieckhefer, Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition by Francis Yates, The Occult Philosophy in the Elizabethan Age by Frances Yates, Magic, Mystery, and Science: The Occult in Western Civilization by Daniel Burton and David Grandy, The Scientific Revolution by Steven Shapin, Leviathan and the Air-Pump by Steven Shapin, Never Pure: Historical Studies of Science... by Steven Shapin, The Emergence of a Scientific Culture: Science and the Shaping of Modernity 1210-1685 by Stephen Gaukroger, The Cambridge History of Science Volumes 3 and 4, The Fabric of the Heavens: The Development of Astronomy and Dynamics by Stephen Toulmin, The Architecture of Matter by Stephen Toulmin, The Discovery of Time by Stephen Toulmin, The Mind of God and the Works of Man by Edward Craig
Francis Bacon (1561-1626) – The New Organon, Essays
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) – Pensées, “The Fearful Sphere of Pascal” by Jorge Borges

The Invention of Autonomy: A History of Modern Moral Philosophy by J. B. Schneewind

Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) – Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics; Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Morals; “What Is Enlightenment?”; Critique of Practical Reason; Critique of Pure Reason; Critique of Judgment; Kant by Paul Guyer; Knowledge, Reason, and Taste: Kant's Response to Hume by Paul Guyer

German Idealism - German Idealism: The Struggle against Subjectivism 1781-1801 by Frederick Beiser, German Philosophy 1760-1860: The Legacy of Idealism by Terry Pinkard, German Idealist Philosophy (Penguin Classics)
Johann Fichte (1762-1814) - Foundations of Natural Right (Cambridge Texts in the History of Philosophy)
Friedrich Schleiermacher (1768-1834) –The Making of Modern Theology (an anthology), Hermeneutics and Criticism: And Other Writings (Cambridge Texts in the History of Philosophy)
Friedrich Schelling (1775-1854) - Philosophical Investigations into the Essence of Human Freedom (SUNY Series in Contemporary Continental Philosophy)

Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) – Essays and Aphorisms (Penguin Classics), On the Basis of Morality, The World as Will and Representation (deeply influenced Nietzsche), The Conspiracy Against the Human Race by Thomas Ligotti (a detailed, idiosyncratic history of pessimism)

Ludwig Feuerbach (1804-1872) - The Essence of Christianity (influenced Marx)

Enlightenment Political Philosophy and Early Economics – A History of Political Thought: From the Middle Ages to the Renaissance by Janette Coleman, Enlightenment Political Thought and Non-Western Societies: Sultans and Savages by Frederick Whelan
Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) – The Prince, Thoughts on Machiavelli by Leo Strauss
Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679) – Leviathan, Hobbes by A. P. Martinich, The Logic of Leviathan: The Moral and Political Theory of Thomas Hobbes by David P. Gauthier, Reason and Rhetoric in the Philosophy of Hobbes by Quentin Skinner
John Milton (1608-1674) – Areopagitica, Paradise Lost, How Milton Works by Stanley Fish
John Locke (1632-1704) – Letters Concerning Tolerance, Two Treatises of Government
Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712-1778) – The Social Contract, Confessions, Discourse on the Arts and Sciences, Emile or On Education, Discourse on the Origin and Basis of Inequality Among Men, Essay on the Origin of Languages
Adam Smith (1723-1790) – The Wealth of Nations, The Theory of the Moral Sentiments (intended to be read alongside his economic work)
David Ricardo (1772-1823) - On the Principles of Political Economy and Taxation
Charles Malthus (1776-1834) – An Essay on the Principle of Population (important to Darwin, the further development of scarcity concepts in economics, ecology)
John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) – Utilitarianism, On Liberty, The Principles of Political Economy

G. W. F. Hegel (1770-1831) – Hegel: A Very Short Introduction by Peter Singer, On Art, Religion, and the History of Philosophy: Introductory Lectures, Lectures on the Philosophy of World History (Cambridge Studies in the History and Theory of Politics), Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit (Miller translation), The Cambridge Companion to Hegel, Hegel by Frederick Beiser, Hegel by Charles Taylor, The Young Hegelians: An Anthology (edited by Lawrence S. Stepelevich)

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (1809–1865) – What is Property? Or, an Inquiry into the Principle of Right and Government (early anarchism, “property is theft”)

Karl Marx (1818-1883) – The Communist Manifesto, The Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844, Das Kapital (the most accessible one is Capital: An Abridged Version by David McLellan), Karl Marx: A Life by Francis Wheen, Reading Capital Politically by Harry Cleaver, Essays On Marx's Theory of Value by Isaak Rubin

Charles Darwin (1809-1882) – The Voyage of the Beagle; The Origin of the Species; The Descent of Man; The Discovery of Evolution by David Young; Darwin’s Dangerous Idea by Daniel Dennett; Darwin’s Ghost by Steve Jones; Evolution's Rainbow: Diversity, Gender, and Sexuality in Nature and People by Joan Roughgarden; Evidence and Evolution: The Logic Behind the Science by Elliott Sober; Unto Others: The Evolution and Psychology of Unselfish Behavior by Elliott Sober; Machiavellian Intelligence: Social Expertise and the Evolution of Intellect in Monkeys, Apes, and Humans (Oxford Science Publications); Macachiavellian Intelligence: How Rhesus Macaques and Humans Have Conquered the World by Dario Maestripieri; In Search of Human Nature: The Decline and Revival of Darwinism in American Social Thought by Carl N. Degler

Early Existentialism
Søren Kierkegaard (1813–1855) – Fear and Trembling, The Sickness Unto Death, The Concept of Anxiety, Kierkegaard: The Indirect Communication by Roger Poole
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) – “On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense;” The Antichrist; The Birth of Tragedy; The Gay Science; Twilight of the Idols; Beyond Good and Evil; On the Genealogy of Morals; “Nietzsche, Genealogy, History” by Michel Foucault; Nietzsche's New Darwinism by John Richardson; Nietzsche: The Man and his Philosophy by R. J. Hollingdale; The Affirmation of Life: Nietzsche on Overcoming Nihilism by Bernard Reginster

Hermeneutics and Early Linguistics - The Disciplines of Interpretation: Lessing, Herder, Schlegel and Hermeneutics in Germany, 1750-1800 by Robert Leventhal
Aristotle (BCE384–322) – On Interpretation
Ferdinand de Saussure (1857-1913) – Course in General Linguistics, Ferdinand De Saussure by Jonathan D. Culler
Wilhelm Dilthey (1833-1911) - Selected Works, Volume IV: Hermeneutics and the Study of History; Selected Works, Volume V: Poetry and Experience; Wilhelm Dilthey: A Hermeneutic Approach to the Study of History and Culture by Ilse Nina Bulhof
Erich Auerbach (1892–1957) - Mimesis: The Representation of Reality in Western Literature

Henri-Louis Bergson (1859-1941) – The Creative Mind: An Introduction to Metaphysics, Creative Evolution, Time and Free Will: An Essay on the Immediate Data of Consciousness

Classical Pragmatism - Pragmatism, Postmodernism and the Future of Philosophy by John Stuhr, Pragmatism and Classical American Philosophy: Essential Readings and Interpretive Essays (edited by John Stuhr),
Charles Sanders Pierce – “How to Make Our Ideas Clear;” “What Pragmatism Is;” “Truth and Falsity and Error;” Charles S. Peirce, Selected Writings; “Consequences of Four Incapacities;” The Sign of Three: Dupin, Holmes, Peirce (edited by Umberto and Thomas A. Sebeok)
William James (1842–1910) - Pragmatism: A New Name for Some Old Ways of Thinking, “The Will to Believe,” The Meaning of Truth: A Sequel to "Pragmatism," In the Maelstrom of American Modernism by Robert Richardson, 100 Years of Pragmatism: William James's Revolutionary Philosophy by John Stuhr
John Dewey (1859-1952) – “The Influence of Darwin on Philosophy,” “The Problem of Truth,” “Existence as Precarious and as Stable,” Experience And Education, Freedom and Culture, Liberalism and Social Action, The Quest for Certainty, Reconstruction in Philosophy, A Common Faith, Art as Experience, The Essential Dewey, Reading Dewey: Interpretations for a Postmodern Generation by Larry A. Hickman, “Overcoming the Tradition: Heidegger and Dewey” by Richard Rorty, “Dewey’s Metaphysics” by Richard Rorty, “Dewey Between Hegel and Darwin” by Richard Rorty, Dewey, Pragmatism and Economic Methodology by Elias Khalil, John Dewey and Moral Imagination: Pragmatism in Ethics by Steven Fesmire

End of modern. Future developments right now are tentatively 20TH CENTURY CONTINENTAL (TO STRUCTURALISM), ANALYTIC PHILOSOPHY, "POSTMODERNISM" (STRUCTURALISM TO THE LATEST), and OTHER 20TH CENTURY.

Nice...

This list is awesome and OP is obviously very knowledgeable.

So I was wondering, where would I start for a materialist perspective on language? I've been reading some Gilbert Ryle, which is okay, but not exactly what I'm looking for.

Thanks for making this list as well. I might spend a couple of hours tomorrow getting each one of these as an ebook and uploading it all as a collection to mediafire.

>>517894

I'm not sure what you mean by materialist. What do you mean by materialist? Ryle belonged to the Oxford school of ordinary language philosophy.

Also, if you could do that, that would be ridiculously awesome.

couldn't we limit ourselves to primary sources and paste a fancy jpg together? perhaps multiple jpgs? every tradition has one very own understanding of a philosophical canon.

Put up there some Oswald Spengler and Julius Evola, please.

>>517915
that, also Nietzsche, Gobineau and Samuel P. Huntington.

>>517900

I guess I was referring to the belief that nothing exists save for matter, particularly focusing on a rejection of dualism.

Do these chaps have anything particular to say about language beyond (I would predict:) "it's just vibrations which have an effect on neuroanatomy." Are there any seminal texts on the logical conclusion from the proposition that "all that exists is matter" with regards to language?

I don't think I'm quite knowledgeable enough about the subject to truly be precise about what I'm looking for. Thanks anyway.

>>517915
>>517940
5/10

>>517908

Looking good. Great, actually.

Working on some of the sections to follow.

Great list Isabelle. I think I mentioned this in the last thread but maybe De Consolatione Philosophiae should be under the Medieval heading? It was just so influential for the Scholastics. Boethius:medieval european philosophy::Plato:ancient philosophy

That's just my hobby-horse right now though because I'm reading him, not sure if it's a good suggestion or not.

>>517946
you have something against ultra-traditional pessimism?

>>517942

Sounds like you might just be interested in analytic philosophy of language in general. As for pointing you in a particular direction, you might look into Austin's How to Do Things with Words or even just dig around in The Philosophy of Language (edited by A. P. Martinich), whatever edition is latest.

Analytic is what I'm working on right now.

i hope the sections that will follow won't try to be objective as the first. What the internet needs right now is a hippie's, fascist's and libertard's reading guides. i could also imagine one for semantics and neuroscience each.

Is this being archived? What is the next step in your master plan?

>>517956

Sure. I wasn't sure how to assign priority because I'm not that familiar with scholastic source material.

So let's add in Ancius Boethius (CE480-524) – The Consolation of Philosophy (translated by Victor Watts) between the Scholasticism section and St. Anselm. Unless there's a better translation?

Awesome list, no complaints here.

Now I think a lot of people (myself included) are interested in this list as a way of teaching ourselves philosophy. Would you recommend that we try to work through all those books in chronological order or would that be silly/too much? Is that even how this guide is intended?

>>517985

I'm not familiar with any of the translations atm but Penguin usually seems to do a solid job so yeah no objections on my part.

>>517991
if you are doing a phd in philosophy, grind through them. otherwise i don't know why you would.

it's just a list of important classics/good intros for every period of philosophy worth discussing.

>>517991

I don't think that's how the guide is intended, though if you want to read through them all more power to you. I'd say a better way to acquaint yourself with philosophy would be to work through Coplestone and then read those philosophers that pique your interest who you hear about in Coplestone. That's what I'm doing anyway.

>>517991

I teach philosophy, and I think that people should start at whatever point of entry most appeals. I'll qualify this in a minute.

The problem seems to me that people aren't really sure what appeals yet, so they do one of two things. They either try to start at the beginning and proceed chronologically, or they randomly pick something and try to start there.

The former option, I think, can be extraordinarily time-consuming and, while a chronological approach in a limited sense, can be very helpful, I think the this option is sort of asking for exhaustion. By the limited comment, I mean that I generally find it useful to leap around as necessary in order to understand what I'm reading. Almost like reading the encyclopedia.

The latter option either leads to aggravation or happy sailing. It leads to aggravation if you pick something too difficult. It leads to happy sailing if you pick something that you dig and which serves as an introduction to other books. That's what happened to me.

All of this being said, my strongest suggestion is that you read secondary material. Always supplement. Just don't supplement with shit. The Routledge Guides are usually fantastic.

>>518021
>>518015
>>518003

Thanks a bunch e/lit/ists.

personally i think an intro to wittgenstein would be a good place to start. you get a nice point of contact with the epistemology debates, while having an easy way into the linguistic pragmatist turn later on.

how about stanley cavell or hilary putnam's recent, short books for starters?

OP, you are the fucking shit, the should be archived.

>>518062

I agree with this, actually. I first got interested in philosophy after reading the Tractatus.

wittgenstein : philosophy :: paul atreides : dune

y/n?

>>518089

Sure. The birth, life, and death of analytic philosophy is basically summarized in his transition from the Tractatus to the Investigations.

Archive this.

Lookin good so far! :D

>>518021
Is it difficult to get into teaching philosophy?

>>518133

Not really considering that's all philosophers can really do.

>>518133
dont quit your day job. it's a lot of work and a handful of positions open each year, in total.

>>518127

Looking great.

>>518133

Depends. Due to budget cuts, there's a bit of a crunch in the humanities right now, but I think that's expect to be alleviated somewhat within a few years.

You have to deal with a lot of assholes outside of the classroom, but any humanities person is going to have that problem. And you get used to it such that you don't even really notice anymore.

>>518156

Assholes being?..

>>518160
see
>>518140

>>518160

People like the faggots on /sci/

>HURR WHY DONT YOU HAVE A REAL JOB

Or that's what I have experienced anyway.

>>518133
You'll need a PhD and will be forced to interact with many insufferable people. But if you're any good you'll be insufferable too so it evens out.

>>518156
I'm in Australia so I dunno if that would apply to me. We only just started offering Philosophy in secondary schools here recently so I'd imagine there'd be more positions than ever.

>>518160

Basically what they said below.

>>518164
>>518163

Humanities people tend to get a lot of shit from people in science departments, although that's not always true. There's way too much hostility all around.

>>518179

Hell yeah, Engineers/Scientists run society.

You talk about shadows and caves.

P.S. Guide guy, I'm about 75% done with analytic, I think.

>>518179


There would be no hostility so long as Humanities fags learn their place.

>>518186

Actually, corporations run society, dear. Who exactly do you think funds Big Science?

>>518179

Ugh that's why I'm scared to go into academia. I'm worried it will just be a bunch of VERY intelligent people competing and trying to one-up each other. I'd hate that so much. I already have to deal with it bad enough just within my normal undergrad classes.

Why can't we all just get along? ;_;

actually, back in high school we had a philosophy class with an actual philosophy teacher. so teaching in uni might not be the only option.

>>518186

>>518190
pretty ironic, considering that the reason you act like this is probably because you've learned and accepted your place, however uncritically.

>>518179
When I started at university I was way into Rand, materialism, rationalism, and math. I was a prototypical /sci/fag. I was excited to make jokes about humanities majors and expected the professors in my science classes to share my feelings.

Turns out, those professors have a lot of respect for the humanities people. I've never experienced hostility in humanities or science classes towards the other side. Good natured ribbing goes both ways but it's good natured.

The only scientists who really hate humanities or disrespect philosophy are people who haven't completed their education yet.

>>518192

It always goes back to Science or engineering.

Always.

>>518193

That's why I try to focus on teaching and don't worry so much about competitive publishing. After I finish my dissertation, I'd like to publish a few things, but I primarily enjoy teaching.

Also where I'm at isn't really an analytic school. The crazy tomfoolery and psychosis tends to blossom in the harder analytic schools, where they are either desperately insular or desperately trying to be scientists.

Will you guys be doing one for eastern philosophy? China,Japan,India. etc.

>>518193
>I'm worried it will just be a bunch of VERY intelligent people competing and trying to one-up each other.

welcome to the real world, kid.

>>518218

Stop calling everyone "kid" it makes you sound like a douche.

>>518219

god, you're an even bigger pussy than I imagined lolol

>>518215

Unfortunately, I'm not too familiar with Eastern philosophy, except for Buddhism. And my reading on that has been pretty sporadic.

Let's just put it this way;

All philosophers are dead, oh well...

All engineers/scientists are dead. Society collapses. Period.

>>518204

Your naivete is adorable.

>>518215

I would really like this, but we would probably have to save this for some time in the future. we should at least focus on this right now since it's such a massive list.

Engineers don't run the world, drunken fratboys do.

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Everyone: Ignore trolls, if possible. Thanks.

>>518245

Post tits, yes?

i'd like to say something nasty about this /sci/ trolling, but it's so banal that i can't get worked up over it.

obviously science and maths are important, and neuro/bio stuff is pretty important to philosophy as well. but as humans your normative choices matter as well. it's a false dichotomy.

/sci/troll here

>>518252
Isn't related to us. He's just retarded. Excuse him please.


Now this trolling isn't fun. Go about your business

>>518245
Are you working on the modern picture chart?

>>518252
This.

>>518262

I'm not doing the picture guides. Kind Anon is. And I imagine so.

This is probably a bit weirdly edited because I wanted to avoid the temptation to just make huge lists of individual papers. There's some of that, but I tried to make it stick in keeping.

ANALYTIC PHILOSOPHY

Kant and the Foundations of Analytic Philosophy by Robert Hanna

Gottlob Frege – “On Sense and Reference,” Frege: The Philosophy of Language by Michael Dummett
Bertrand Russell – “On Denoting,” Introduction to Mathematical Philosophy, Why I Am Not a Christian, Bertrand Russell and the Edwardian Philosophers: Constructing the World by Omar Nasim
Ludwig Wittgenstein – Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, The New Wittgenstein (edited by Alice Crary and Rupert Read), The Claim of Reason: Wittgenstein, Skepticism, Morality, and Tragedy by Stanley Cavell

G. E. Moore – “A Defence of Common Sense,” Principia Ethica (esp. §13)

Logical Positivism – The Cambridge Companion to Logical Empiricism, Logical Positivism (edited by A. J. Ayer)
Rudolf Carnap – “Elimination of Metaphysics Through Logical Analysis of Language,” The Logical Structure of the World and Pseudoproblems in Philosophy, “Carnap’s Contexts: Comte, Heidegger, Nietzsche” by Barry Allen
Carl Hempel - The Philosophy of Carl G. Hempel: Studies in Science, Explanation, and Rationality (edited by James Fetzer)
Alfred Ayer – Language, Truth, and Logic

Ordinary Language Philosophy – Philosophy and Ordinary Language: The Bent and Genius of Our Tongue by Oswald Hanfling
Ludwig Wittgenstein – Philosophical Investigations, The Blue and Brown Books
J. L. Austin – How to Do Things with Words, “The Meaning of a Word,” “How to Talk – Some Simple Ways,” “A Plea for Excuses,” “Performative Utterances,” “Unfair to Facts”

W. V. O. Quine – “Two Dogmas of Empiricism” (announces the death of logical positivism), Word and Object, Ontological Relativity and Other Essays, “Heidegger and Quine on the (Ir)relevance of Logic For Philosophy”

Later Analytic Philosophy of Language - The Philosophy of Language (edited by A. P. Martinich, one of the best anthologies), Introduction to the Philosophy of Language by Michael Morris (very useful for beginners), Naming and Necessity by Saul Kripke, Possible Worlds by Rod Girle, Understanding Symbolic Logic by Virginia Klenk, A New Introduction to Modal Logic by M. Creswell and G. E. Hughes, Theories of Truth: A Critical Introduction by Richard Kirkham, From a Deflationary Point of View by Paul Horwich

Donald Davidson – “The Semantic Conception of Truth and the Foundations of Semantics” by Alfred Tarski, The Essential Davidson, “A Nice Derangement of Epitaphs,” “On the Very Idea of a Conceptual Scheme,” “Gadamer and Plato’s Philebus,” “Illuminating Language: Interpretation and Understanding in Gadamer and Davidson” by Bjorn Ramberg

excellent...

>>518286
>>518291
WELL FUCK YOU

Whoops.

Make that “Heidegger and Quine on the (Ir)relevance of Logic For Philosophy” by Richard Matthews.

>>518297

Uh, what?

The Story of Analytic Philosophy: Plot and Heroes by Anat Biletzki
Twentieth-Century Analytic Philosophy by Avrum Stroll
Analytic Philosophy: The History of an Illusion by Aaron Preston
Deconstruction as Analytic Philosophy by Samuel Wheeler


Philosophy of Mind and Metaphysics (not my forte)
J. L. Austin – Sense and Sensibilia
Gilbert Ryle – The Concept of Mind
Empiricism and the Philosophy of Mind by Wilfrid Sellars
Philosophy of Mind by Jaegwon Kim
Mind and World by John McDowell
Metaphysics: A Contemporary Introduction by Michael J. Loux

Philosophy of Science - Philosophy of Science: The Central Issues (edited by J. A. Cover and Martin Curd), Sex and Death: An Introduction to Philosophy of Biology by Kim Sterelny and Paul E. Griffiths
Quantum Generations: A History of Physics in the Twentieth Century by Helge Kragh
Complementarity: Anti-Epistemology after Bohr and Derrida by Arkady Plotnitsky
Karl Popper – The Logic of Scientific Discovery, Conjectures and Refutations
Thomas Kuhn – The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, The Essential Tension, The Road Since Structure, World Changes: Thomas Kuhn and the Nature of Science (edited by Paul Horwich)
Scientific Realism (edited by Jarrett Leplin)
Larry Laudan – Science and Values: The Aims of Science and Their Role in Scientific Debate, “A Confutation of Convergent Realism”
Paul Feyerabend – Realism, Rationalism and Scientific Method; Problems of Empiricism; Against Method; Knowledge, Science, and Relativism; Farewell to Reason;
Gonzalo Munevar – Radical Knowledge: A Philosophical Inquiry Into the Nature and Limits of Science
Helen Longino – Science as Social Knowledge
Scientific Knowledge: A Sociological Analysis (edited by Barnes and Bloor
Against Relativism: Philosophy of Science, Deconstruction, and Critical Theory by Christopher Norris
Laboratory Life by Bruno Latour
Big Science: The Growth of Large Scale Research by Peter Galison

Working on the last bit of analytic right now.

Where's my objectivist bitches?

>>518326

I'm going to be doing a list for 20th century economics. Now Rand is not an economist, but I'll probably end up throwing a thing or two by her in there with a wackadoodle like Murray Rothbard.

>>518332

Fuck yeah murray rothbard! I actually kind of hate his ethics stuff now but I still have a softspot for the guy, I was obsessed with him when I was a teenager. I still really like his works on economics too - so lucid, so systematic, etc, even if I no longer think of myself as a "Rothbardian".

>>518297

P.S. Looking great.

Fuck yeah, Rothbard :3

the way "modern" philosophy is taught is generally by topics. if you are interested in say philosophy of mind in particular, you can find the reading list of a phil of mind course from a uni and go with it. here is a monstrous list of stuff, http://consc.net/online and here is a less monstrous one.
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/philosophy/LPSG/Mind.htm

Once this is all set and done,please archive for future reference.

rothbard was just a polemicist with a heavy axe to grind. it's fun to read, and as a teenager i was into the stuff too, but honestly it's just polemics.

>>518374

riveting tale, chap.

Random Late Analytic Philosophers (in the late 20th century analytic philosophy starts calving off into cognitive science, evolutionary psychology, post-Chomsky linguistics and sociolinguistics, etc.)
What Computers Still Can't Do: A Critique of Artificial Reason by Hubert L. Dreyfus
John Searle (philosophy of language/mind/science), Daniel Dennett (philosophy of mind/science, read “The Self as a Narrative Center of Gravity”), David Lewis (metaphysics)
Sociolinguistics: The Essential Readings (edited by Christine Bratt Paulston and G. Richard Tucker)
Mind: Introduction to Cognitive Science by Paul Thagard
Evolutionary Psychology (edited by Steven J. C. Gaulin and Donald H. McBurney)

A bit disorganized, but I'm tired and this should be fine. The other three BIG sections will be better, I'll pick up around 11 PM EST on Tuesday.

>>518379


thanks again, tripfriend <3

>>518377
if you are honestly intrigued by rothbard, you are not in a very good place.

anyway, nighty night

>>518394


i used to dwell on hivemind perceptions as well, but then i grew up. feels good, man.

Rothbard is a moron.

Night, onionring.

>>518374

I'd agree with you on this except for his economics work. But yeah his stuff on history and philosophy and ethics . . . polemics fo' sho'. Still interesting to read but take it with a grain of salt.

>>518379
Thank you again.

>>518413

No problem.

>>518346
Thanks

>>518437

Looking even better. Jesus, man. These are awesome.

>>518437
is this the last of them?

>>518473

I don't know if he's going to do anymore tonight, but I would guess two or three more in MODERN?

>>518477

Isabelle tell me why you think rothbard is an idiot, I'm just curious. I basically agree with you but I wanna hear your opinion. (or just ignore this if you don't feel like it, heh).

>>518481

The free market doesn't work.

"Anarcho-capitalism" is neoliberalism on crack. And neoliberalism is bankrupt, insular, and scientistic. The only thing a neoliberal can say when faced with a problem is "Hey, let's do even more of what didn't work the last time we tried it!" And any other considerations (moral, practical, technical) are just relegated to being "externalities."

So if neoliberalism is too dogmatic, then "anarcho-capitalism" is even worse. It's also shockingly unsophisticated and anti-pragmatic. People who are attracted to it tend to be demagogues and ideologues.

In short, spontaneous order is a myth.

Also I have severe moral problems with him.

>>518477
>>518473
I'll see if I can finish them by or before Tuesday

>>518510
I think you should stick to philosophy where you belong, mate.

>>518525

I've spent a good deal of time working on the philosophy of economics. I realize that free market demagogues enjoy pretending that "economics" is a mature science, but, quite frankly, it isn't. Go read your history and some Donald A. Mackenzie.

>>518524
thats no problem,thanks for doing this though,highly appreciated.

>>518524

Yeah, thanks, man. Look forward to meeting again with you then. 11, 11:30 PM EST.

>>518539
>>518510
>"Hey, let's do even more of what didn't work the last time we tried it!"

Please read this statement over and over until you find the irony.

>>518549

Funny how free marketeers always say that "the free market hasn't really been tried yet and if we did, everything would go swimmingly," yet they always start laughing when Marxists say something similar about Marxism, isn't it...

Also, I'm fully aware that you're either trolling or (more likely) one of the usual young males who's really excited and idealistic about all of the magical wonders that unbridled capitalism can work. In the former case, whatever; in the latter, you'll learn and if you don't, then I feel very sorry for you. Or at least as sorry as I can for something that's so dime-a-dozen.

>>518562

I bet you think mercantilism was free market capitalism lolol

>>518562
Don't do that, he could be a real intellectual waiting to happen. Get them reading Adam Smith. Smith is long winded enough, and wide enough ranging, that after Smith they ought to be ready for Ricardo and Marx.

>>518562
>>518510

your criticisms suck

>>518573


Why fuck with Marx when Hayek was clearly superior?

>>518510
>"Hey, let's do even more of what didn't work the last time we tried it!"

Isn't this basically Karl Polanyi's argument against laissez-faire capitalism. I remember a libertarian on here telling me specifically that Michael Polanyi and Murray Rothbard had completely dismantled this argument.

>>518594

>Murray Rothbard had completely dismantled [Polanyi's] argument

No. Go and read The Great Transformation and Rothbard's "dismantling" of it. Throwing shit around doesn't exactly qualify.

>>518594


All god-tier economics are dominated by libertarians. But that won't stop the butthurts from throwing condescending smears in desperation.

>>518605

>All god-tier economics are dominated by libertarians.

Jesus Christ, someone actually believes this who isn't getting a whopping paycheck to say it.

So this thread has basically gone full retard, so I'm out.

>>518607

Enjoy your fractions of a cent on the dollar, noob.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev_Uph_TLLo

sup

>>518589
>Why fuck with Marx when Hayek was clearly superior?

Are you making an argument from general utility?

>>518617
>>518612
>>518605
>>518594
>>518589
>>518577
>>518569
>>518549
>>518525

>>518623


troll harder please, thank you.

>>518619

lol i don't think the tighty righty is going to actually talk about econ shit with you, i think he just wanted to throw poop for awhile

>>518625

>implying i'm not right

>>518619
i hope you don't expect me to take the bait, nice strawman though. you people have clearly showed your knowledge of opposing views.

>>518627
> derp lol only my side are educated
nice samefag,

>>518637

>implying it's a case of samefaggotry to go into a thread and... post more than once?

goddamn you are a stupid little faggot, aren't you. i bet you cry every night because free market bullshit is dying a little bit more everyday, huh?

look, it's you!

>>518637
"Clearly superior" is a meaningless phrase.

Next time bother to make an argument, instead of appearing to be religious about economics, and you'll get discourse for discourse instead of rhetoric for rhetoric.

>>518640
>baby's first troll


lol oh look it's glenn beck, I haven't seen him in a thousand libertarian threads before xD

>>518642

he's an endless source of amusement for everyone who doesn't take his silliness seriously

as for you
>baby's first economics

>>518643


yep, soon i'll be movin on up to deficit spending, corporate bailouts and with any luck bankrupting every known social program in effect.

>>518640
>Implying the Hitler Youth didn't build strong, self-reliant young men to lead the country to new heights.

Economics has grown hard to define because we now focus primarily on real-world problems, not "literatures." If we want to understand income determination, we don't waste time with topological proofs. We still think about supply and demand, but we also think about policy, psychology, behavioral genetics, and much more. As a result, we come to understand the world, instead of solving unusually difficult homework problems.

What, though, is the common essence behind everything that economists now do? The only answer that works, I think, is that economics is the all-encompassing study of the social world. In the words of the Roman poet Terence, "Homo sum, humani a me nihil alienum puto" - "I am a man, I consider nothing that is human alien to me."

Unfortunately, this puts me in an awkward position. There's another field that already sounds like "the all-encompassing study of the social world": sociology. Not only does sociology have lower status than economics; with honorable exceptions, it's also well-stocked with academics who aren't fond of economics. Tactically, then, it would be foolish to start calling ourselves "sociologists." If we were picking names from scratch, though, "sociologists" is exactly what modern economists ought to proudly call ourselves.

- Bryan Caplan, Princeton economist

>>518646

hey, check this out, kiddo

>>518648
>Implying the Hitler Youth didn't build strong, self-reliant young men to lead the country to new heights.
No, they didn't. Please go read a scholarly monograph on the Hitler Youth, group think, and the lack of innovation amongst late war German youth conscripts.

>>518650

p.s. the one with the pink, stinging ass is you after healthcare reform

>>518649


i fucken love me some Caplan.

>>518656


That will be all of us soon enough, chubbs.

Oh the delicious republican tears, they provide nourishment. CRY MOAR!

ITT: isabelle makes us an awesome chart and we complement the hell out of her, then decide to take her down a peg by trolling her

. . . that WAS what we were doing right? Or was that just me?

>>518656
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BugRMHaL3lU

check and mate.

>>518660

hee hee.

hey, what's the difference between sarah palin's mouth and sarah palin's twat? only a fifth of what comes out of her twat is retarded!

>>518665

>>518664

>whattrollswantyoutobelievewhatsactuallyhappening.jpg

>>518664
>implying isabelle is a female

>>518671

>inferring isabelle is moot

>>518665

>>518650

>still referring to people as "kid"

You really do sound like a douche, knock it off bro. I'm only looking out for you.

>>518676

>>moot is inferring isabelle

>>518654

jew lies

>>518681

I'm not your bro, kid.

>>518681
>>518680

You kids are fuckin' fags.

>>518688

Neat, i didn't know this board had spoilers

>>518695

>inferring moot is spoilers in isabelle

>>518692

Well you're a tarpezeo.

>>518692

cool story, bro!

>>518699

>your mother is sucking a nigger's cock RIGHT NOW

>>518706

want to hear a funny joke?

"the free market"

>>518707

Probably since she's in bed with my dad.

OH SNAP!

I make Barack Obama look like George Bush, huh motherfuckers?

>>518710


Keynesianism is funnier imo

>>518717

>ron paul

>>518711

Well that would make you a nigger. I know that you're not a nigger, though, because niggers don't know how to use computers, let alone know about 4chan, let alone surf /lit/.

>>518727

Lol. Ron Paul has a saggy ass.

>>518732

You'll have a saggy ass when you're his age too, kid.

>>518736

No, because I exercise and do things other than pretend to know shit about economics and gather a big gay fanclub on Facebook

>>518730

It's nice to know that we're separated from niggers by so many degrees. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside, like there's a blizzard outside and I'm lying on the couch under 20 blankets.

<3

>>518727

>>518738

your metabolism will slow down

I used to be a pro athlete, look at me now kid, just a bitter old man who talks down to pretentious high school kids on a /lit/.

I hate my life, kid. Please kill me.

>>518738


you obviously know nothing of his daily exercise regimen or his exhaustive schedule. There's a reason he's the hardest working man in congress.

>>518743

I would love to kill you with a crowbar, faggot.

Pic related, it's you.

I think ron paul is cute. I just want to hug all the greed out of him <3

He's like a fuzzy old grampapa :D

>>518745

>hardest working man in congress
>Ron Paul

>>518747
Please stop trolling them man, we get it. You've completed your master troll, just stop now.

>>518747

I would like to stick a redhot pike up your ass all the way through to your mouth, then stomp on your nuts, then throw you in a hole and leave you there - with the pike still in obviously.

>>518748

>>518749
>greentext

>butthurt

>>518748

He looks like a Keebler elf.

Anyone have the pic of Ron Paul with the guy fawkes /b/tard?

>>518753

If you have any relatives, I'm going to skullfuck them and let centipedes infest their corpses before I dump off the bodies in a dumpster somewhere. As for you, I'll slice your eyeballs with a razor and superglue the cuts shut before using an industrial grater to make you bleed to death.

>>518749

You cannot deny this no matter how butthurt you may feel.

>>518762

I may be old but at least I don't talk to myself, kid

>>518764

He is a lazy, dumb faggot with a bunch of gaylords who love that saggy, fat ass

>>518762

>>518766

lol

>i deleted my post!

>>518772

>trolledhard.jpg

On a related note, what does /lit/ think of Camus?

>>518777

He's nihilsm's Rowan Atkinson.

Yeah think on THAT one for a little while.

>smug/lit/advicedogspinoff.jpg

>>518779

>>518777
I like him. I think he's wrong about several things and doesn't give enough reason for others, but some of his ideas are good.

>>518797

What did you disagree with him on? i ask because i'm beginning his work and would like some insight before i start just to have some vague idea what im getting into.

Nice list, would have liked to have seen Phillipa Foot, and not just because she's Grover Cleveland's granddaughter.

whoaaaaa this thread dived off of a cliff pretty fast