/lit/ - Literature

Does it have to be something that wouldn't normally be considered art?

>>5182470
No, just what you personally really like for some reason.
Better if you elaborate

Probably Degas, L'Absinthe is my favourite of his.

Electric Ladyland

>>5182460
get out

Stravinsky's Apollon musagète

beethoven op 131

Mozart I suppose.

Though if we're talking about about little pleasures at the end of the day, I'll have to mention JRPGs

>>5182460
What is special about that game?

>>5182526
The dialogues and boss battles, also some mindfuckery and 4th wall bulldozing.

American Craftsman style of house. Or maybe any horn that plays in a jazz club.

>>5182526
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2YuPGYabw

This video is basically the consensus of the fanbase in condensed form (although there are much longer essays).

You probably won't understand much without having a general idea about video games and playing Metal Gear Solid 1, specifically, though.

>>5182569
>Super Bunnyhop
Apply yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8AVbjd94vc

>>5182580
I actually watch both of them and like both reviews, but they give focus to different things.

Will Eisners Contract With God is pretty impressive.

>Using the term 'art' as a synonym for 'I enjoy this'

>>5182591
'I consider this art for reasons and I enjoy it because it's art'.
There, you happy?

>>5182580
>MatthewMatosis

Nice.

>>5182580
Is it worth the watch? I watched a little bit of his Bioshock Infinite analysis and there was an enormous amount of pedantic nit-picking to the extent that it seemed he was trying to offer a very negative viewpoint to offset the praise it received in mainstream media

>>5182636
>to offer a very negative viewpoint to offset the praise it received in mainstream media
Well, I guess that was kind of the point, actually. It even labeled as 'critique'.

His other videos are just reviews, though, so he takes a different and more balanced approach.

>>5182545
>>5182569
>>5182580
>>5182586
>>5182604
>>5182636
>>5182643
/v/ pls

>>5182636
Bioshock Infinite is terrible, really. It's a massive downgrade from the original Bioshock which was already quite a downgrade from System Shock 2.

>>5182658
>browsing /v/

meh
only around E3

Mark Tobey's paintings. So swarming and hypnotizing.

>>5182636
Bioshock Infinite IS shit and he doesn't even nit-pick, get over it

>>5182658
>being so rustled you have to ask people to "leave"
we're on 4chan bruh, you're no cooler than anyone else

>>5182663
I didn't really mind it. The upgrade system was boring, the plasmids were repeated and the second suite of weapons introduced after the midpoint are totally redundant, but I thought it was enjoyable enough - beautiful art direction

>>5182675
holy shit
what is that
is there more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bulibjyaQ0s

>>5182680
>muh darling matthew
why so angry
are you his mother or something

>>5182684
>beautiful art direction
It didn't even have that, they just utilized the whole colour palette in an attempt to hide the shit textures beneath and to stand out under every other 2 weapon limit shooter pieceashit. The city had zero cohesion.

>>5182681
muh (potential) perth nigga

>>5182685
Well, there are not so many of his painting which balance between abstract and concrete, either he paints masses of people or fields, lots of people are put off by latter.

>>5182684
>bruh

>>5182703
Why bother replying? Do you need to "win" that badly?

>>5182698
I disagree completely.

>>5182714
>Do you need to "win" that badly?
that's not me actually

>>5182701
:/ sry bro, from austin
shoutout to perth tho

vidya as art shitposting face

>>5182569
>postmodern deconstruction
stopped watching right there
that guy is a bellend

>>5182752
he sounds kind of pretentious, but the points about the game itself do hit the mark, mostly
that said, it's not something he came up with and was known for years before

The Grand Lebowski

>>5182759
where should I skip to? I love metal gear solid, but it took everything in me just to get to that point in the video.

>>5182762
dude thats not the coen brothers that's from there will be blood, same year of release though

>>5182765
Skip Part 1 where he describes what 'post-modernism' is and starts talking about the game.

>>5182765
7:00

>>5182734
moviebob pls

>>5182460
>Metal Gear Solid 2
My heart skipped a beat, because that was the very first thing I thought of, too. Then Majora's Mask.

But while I think vidya have artistic merits, I'm still not sure if I'd calle them art. So, in all seriousness, this album.

Dwarf Fortess without hesitation.

Can't wait for the ability to generate book contents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YDpMm8L3Y

As I lay with my head in your lap, Camerado,
The confession I made I resume—what I said to you in the open air I resume:
I know I am restless, and make others so;
I know my words are weapons, full of danger, full of death;
(Indeed I am myself the real soldier;
It is not he, there, with his bayonet, and not the red-striped artilleryman;)
For I confront peace, security, and all the settled laws, to unsettle them;
I am more resolute because all have denied me, than I could ever have been had all accepted me;
I heed not, and have never heeded, either experience, cautions, majorities, nor ridicule;
And the threat of what is call’d hell is little or nothing to me;
And the lure of what is call’d heaven is little or nothing to me;
...Dear camerado! I confess I have urged you onward with me, and still urge you, without the least idea what is our destination,
Or whether we shall be victorious, or utterly quell’d and defeated

A Space Odyssey
I don't care if it's entry-level or some shit like that.
To me, it's amazing.

Fleetwood Mac - Tusk
Mother 3
:)

ITT: /lit/ shows its pleb taste outside of literature

Shadow of the Colossus

La Regle du Jeu

The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady

Metal Gear Solid 2

And of course, pic related.

>>5182853
>the black saint and the sinner lady

I like you.

Sopranos

So resonant with me

>>5182986
What album is that?

>>5182970
Is this really that good? My parents watched it and I'm skeptical of anything they like.

>>5183013
>Warp 195
>reverse google

Cosmogramma Flying Lotus

>>5183013
Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma

It's jazz influenced hip hop/electronic. Pretty wild, hard to get a grasp on it the first listen or so

>>5183024
>>5183027
th-thanks

>>5182986
So good even though I like LA better. Cosmogramma definitely wins the prize for best Flying Lotus cover art.

>>5183027
/mu/tant here
jesus christ flylo as
>Pretty wild, hard to get a grasp on it the first listen or so
how big of a pleb are you

>>5183048
To be honest I like all his stuff just the same, but Cosmogramma was the first one I heard so it's special
>>5183054
Ugh fuck off back to your shithole

>>5183024
The Sopranos is pretty much perfect. It is, however, enjoyable by both "plebs" and "patricians".

It can be enjoyed as a mob-drama by the less-learned, but it really is an all-encompasing work, that tackles themes of identity, society, "american" culture, friendship, family, sexuality, and pretty much everthying else.

It really is amazing. It rewards a careful watch, as there are incredibly many allusions and small details that only a seasoned viewer will catch and understand. It constantly gets better and builds and builds upon itself. I can't do it justice by my puny little explanation. It's perfect, but you have to stick with it. The Pilot is a little strange, and you won't understand the show's genius until midway through season 2.

It has also the best and most complete film or tv character ever crafted. The acting is incredible. Everything is so fucking good.

>>5182460
probably either Brahms' violin concerto or Rachmaninoff's piano concerto 2

also anyone that uses pleb/patrician is a mindless retard of the highest order, worse than what they would call plebs

>>5183024
The Sopranos is the best thing that has ever been made for TV. It's better than any film I've seen.

But you will not understand how great it is unless you watch all of it. Sounds dumb, but to fully encompass how incredible it is, you need to see it all.

Also, James Gandolfini as Tony Soprano is the best piece of acting I've ever seen. But, to appreciate it, you need to see it all.

>>5182970
>>5183024
I just finished the Sopranos a week or so ago. It has to be one my alltime favorite show now.

>>5183075
>also anyone that uses pleb/patrician is a mindless retard of the highest order, worse than what they would call plebs

>>5183084
Did you understand the Finnerty Coma Dream?

That was the single most impressive feat any tv show has ever done.

And sadly, it flew over most people's heads.

even though i constantly shit on all art after wwii, i really like cunts like john mccracken, tony smith, james turrell, and dan flavin.

>>5183072

I'm so happy I haven't started watching this yet. Still get to experience it all for the first time.

>>5183103
You hate modern art but like that?

http://bubsy3d.com/

this

>>5183114
i hate about 99% of it, yeah.

>>5183093
I think that I understood it. I do agree with you, it was spectacular.

>>5183106
You need to stick to it. Season one is the weakest, but it is still good. It really is about everything. But most of all, it's about family and heritage. I rarely call things perfect, if ever, but I believe that The Sopranos is perfect.

It's literally in terms of rank:
1>2>3>4>5>6

I hope you enjoy it. I've enjoyed it as much as any book I've ever read. I can't recommend it enough.

>>5182460
SaGa Frontier 2 - for aesthetics, Chrono Cross for your daily dose of ephemeralism and solipsism, makes you feel like shit when you start getting towards the end.

Other than that, video games really have shit stories, but offer a unique perspective since you get to see, hear, and most of all - control what happens (to some degree).

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - Considering the pretext and the stuff that led to the album being made, it's one of the most complete works of music in a genre that is hip hop, not amazing on its own but seeing how there are literally no "art" rap projects being made ever, Kanye was first to the to the game (not including concept albums like deltron 3030 and stuff like that, just str8 art)

I liked Sopranos, not that much, but I do agree with what >>5183082 said, it needs to be watched like a 30h movie.

Not to mention Pine Barrens or w/e it's called is one of the funniest things ever.

>>5183129
Most people thought it was about how Tony would think his life would be if he was a Joe Schmoe.

But in reality, this is not the case. It is much more personal and complicated and depressing than that. I can post a longer analysis and explanation if you are interested.

>>5183135
Pine Barrens is incredibly funny, yes. Sopranos is both the funniest comedy and the saddest drama. The contrast is what makes it so fantastic.

>>5183135
"just str8 art"

What do you mean by this? I can think of plenty artistic rap projects. What keeps Kanye's album from being a concept album and why aren't concept albums considered "straight art"?

this might seem a little strange but i enjoy seeking out and comparing joseph campbell's "hero's journey" and the multitude of combinations that the main points are arranged. theres like, 17 major and minor points of it and some only lean on the major ones. if it was complete hoakum we wouldnt have , the iliad, LOTR, star wars, the matrix and harry potter. its my thing, i even have my own "version"

the wire

>>5183142
I would definitely be interested in the longer analysis.

I don't think anyone could have let the whole 'light' thing go over their head, but I thought it was mainly his existential crisis about who he really was.

>>5183132

you mean 1<2<3<4<5<6?

>>5183142
Okay now I am being tempted to watch it.
How much will I understand if I don't have much experience in film as a medium and an entry-level pleb all-around?

>>5183228
Yeah, sorry.

>>5183232
If you are attentive, and can do running analysis of events, as well as keep track of characters and their actions in correlation with each other, then you will be fine.

But if I am honest, I've seen the show 6 times in its entirety, and I still catch new things every time.

Amadeus

>>5183156
Because concept albums tend to focus on a certain thing, with occasional metaphors that pertain to actual life. MBDTF is an album about what it feels like to be at the top of the world in reality, but really rock bottom as a human being, especially in stark contrast to albums such as Graduation, 808s, and even Yeezus.

I could stan all day long about it, and I'm sure others have said it better than me why it's great, but for me it has all the great stuff that concept albums seem to have, and it feels extremely pretentious at times, yet so sincere, it's one of those things you eat and it tastes kinda strange but the aftertaste is what keeps you coming back for more.

Read http://www.amazon.com/Kanye-Wests-Beautiful-Twisted-Fantasy/dp/1623565421/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1406234016&sr=1-1&keywords=my+beautiful+dark+twisted+fantasy if you're really interested, don't be put off by the 1star reviews, the author is pretentious as shit but the facts he lays down are what you really want from this book.

Don't buy it though, just pdf it.
>>5183232
I was pretty much watching it with one eye closed and I thought it was great, other than a few story-related scenes I only went wow when I saw the Van Halen guy playing poker in one of the episodes.

>>5183220
SERIOUS SPOILERS!

Tony Soprano is Kevin Finnerty. They are one.

Kevin Finnerty is a bad man. He committed fraud against innocent people (the monks), but he will not take responsibility. He denies he is a bad man (K. Finn). Take a look at the pic of Kevin in the wallet and he is clearly a mobster-looking guy. He keeps saying that he lost his briefcase or that it was switched up with Kevin's. We come to learn that the briefcase represents his life.

This of course represents his struggle between being a mob leader and a good family man. He is having en extreme identity/existential crisis.

After he is diagnosed with Alzheimers, he starts to wonder if he is in fact Kevin. He eats a grouper sandwich, fish being a symbol of impending death. When he sits alone in his hotel room in pic related, he realizes that he may very well be this horrible, dishonest, and deceiving man. He can no longer call his family as they are not real. They are from a different life.
The monks talk about how after death, we are the same as a tree. No you, no me, just nothing.

He gets an invitation to the Finnerty Family reunion, at the Inn at the OAKS (tree/death/hell). Here he is greeted by his dead cousin, who is the grim reaper in a disguise. Tony/Kevin asks about Finnerty, and he says "we don't talk like that here". No names after death. Tony spots his mother in the window, confirming this place as hell. He gets scared as death tries to take his life (briefcase). Then he gets resuscitated.

>>5183228
I would consider this chart pretty accurate, although, in my opinion, it goes 1<2<3<4<5<6 also.
And to be honest, that is one of the great things about the Sopranos; most shows get worse in the later seasons, but with the Sopranos every season is better than the last.

>>5183262
This is my short explanation of the events in the coma. This short analysis cannot do it justice in the slightest. It is incredible and the entire series has been building up to this very dream and the execution is perfect.

Also, I am so fucking sorry if anyone read my post without having seen the series. I did use a spoiler warning, but still.

>>5183290
use spoilezrzzrz like this next time.

>>5183262
Shit. Forgot to attach my webm. SPOILERS

DON'T WATCH UNLESS YOU HAVE SEEN THE SHOW

>>5183295
Sorry. I forgot.

Definitely The Sopranos.

Incredible show. Watched for the second time a few months ago, it really is a masterpiece. There's a literary depth about it pratically no other shows has. Except maybe The Wire, which is more on Balzacian/Dickensian side of the spectrum. The Sopranos is more... metaphysical. But the writing itself is perfect.

Perfect show, but hard to stand in the long run. Last season is really painful considering the moral ugliness of pretty much all the characters.

>>5183337
Yeah. You start to feel intense hatred for pretty much every character by the end.

Did you also pick up on a shitload of new things on your second viewing?

Every time I rewatch, I catch new stuff and it amazes me.

>>5183373

Yep. And since I was way more literary/familiar with philosophy, arts and such during my second viewing, I was also able to give a whole new interpretation to many scenes. The performances in this show will be remembered for ages also.

Captivating piece of art.

>>5182460
Xavier: Renegade Angel

>>5183395
It really helps to have at least a small knowledge of philosophy and sociology if you want to fully understand the characters and the situations. It boggles my mind how the writers were so fucking great.

I firmly believe that Tony Soprano is the deepest and most complex and well acted character in all of tv and film history.

i like blade runner and odilon redon

>>5183407
Blade Runner is great. But only the Final Cut achieves perfection.

>>5183401
Wonder Showzen is the superior PFFR show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-KUbflnMEs

>>5183232
http://www.avclub.com/tv/the-sopranos/?season=1

Todd VanDerWerff's Sopranos coverage is great and really contributed to my understanding of the show. Read the reviews after watching the episodes, just be sure to avoid the "Speaking with the fishes" section at the end, which has spoilers (the rest of the reviews are spoiler for for future seasons and episodes).

>>5182853
>>5182876
>The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
My kinds of NGGAS

This movie.

The Sopranos. Outside of literature, nothing can compare.

James Gandolfini is GOAT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPxSLXTWy-E

>>5183564
>AJ's suicide attempt

>>5183574
I was hoping that fuck would die.

Tony's response at therapy was one of the funniest lines in the show.

>Maybe he chose a rope that was too long on purpose. Maybe it was a cry for help.
>Yeah.... Or maybe he's just a fucking idiot.

Taxi Driver

Fucking Deus Ex. Both of them.

I'd consider myself well read but I've never gotten much into movies or TV. I recently watched Breaking Bad; it was amazing. I've heard many say it is the best that TV has to offer. Are they right?

>>5183688
No. But Breaking Bad is good. It is. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

The Sopranos blows it out of the water. As does The Wire and to a degree, Mad Men. Twin Peaks is also better, and in my opinion, so is True Detective.

But every show I have mentioned is very different from Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad has a very focused plot, while The Sopranos and The Wire and Mad Men are about life in general, featuring many characters and sometimes even completely lacking in plot.

Sopranos is elder good tier TV show, but it is not for everyone.

What do you mean "which you consider art"?

Even if I dislike a piece of art, it's still art.

Apocalypse Now. Dat horror

rachmaninoff's 2nd piano concerto
performed by sviatoslav richter

Perhaps Brahms' second string sextet, at least at the moment.

Eliott Smith's Either/Or is another favourite.

>>5183743
>Richter
my african-american
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hOKcdZJJFU

>>5183715
>Every single one of those series (bar Mad Men) you mentioned is to do with crime or law enforcement
Why is TV so one dimensional in this aspect?

>>5183755
Because Crime and Punishment sets up immediate stakes and is a very interesting part of the human condition.

>>5183751
beautiful

Morrowind.

>>5183781
if only the combat was good instead of stand still and slash slash miss slash slash miss

I recently enjoyed Prokofiev's Piano Sonatas...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRls_Kjt9I

>>5183715
After finishing The Wire I was told to watch the Sopranos because apparently it's the only series that rivals or surpasses it. I have just finished the fourth season and I'm thinking about dropping it, does it pick up or maybe is it just not for me? I mean there are great episodes (Funhouse, College, pine barrens...) but I can't seem to give a fuck about two more seasons of american-italians fucking around interwined with psychoanalisis and pop psychology

>>5183412
yeah i should have written that

>>5183845
Maybe it's just not for you.

But I think you should finish it. It really comes together at the end.

>mfw elitistfags don't consider video games art
>mfw the existence of MrBTongue's videos hacks that ludicrous statement to pieces
>mfw I don't have a face

>>5183854
>It really comes together at the end.

>>5183854
Yeah I'll probably finish it, it's getting a lot more dark so there might be some interesting shift.

I think my main problem is with the characters, I don't seem to find them as fleshed out as the ones in the wire (besides Tony ofc because Gandolfini). There are many arcs that I simply don't care about whereas The Wire had their characters more "integrated" and all of the arcs actually move the story forward, like in good novels

>>5183881
It does. It all culminates with the Finnerty dream and all after that is cementing in the characters as they seal their own fates.

>>5182460


eclipse phase

>all of this day-to-day /mu/ core
the funniest part is I'll get shit for London Calling being entry level

>>5183869
>mfw plebs think video games are art

>>5183883
Which characters don't you think are fleshed out?

And yeah, the show gets darker as the characters become older and more bitter. And the characters are plenty fleshed out and will be even more so in the following seasons. I think you might be blinded by the supposed greatness of the Wire and you want The Sopranos to be something it isn't.

all the monologues from blue jam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct_bcmG8Tkc

>>5183895
lmao is that the only punk you've heard

>>5183888


also, i really enjoy john fahey's music.

>>5183895
it's alright
a bit overrated, though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkirY0KgMfk

>>5183896
>where's the whispered voice over button, goddamnit?

>>5183935
woah, blue jam guy here from a couple of posts up.

i bloody love john fahey, any recs for similar musc?

Donnie Darko. Director's cut, of course.

>>5183916
>implying I don't have a hard drive full of early 80s American proto Hardcore, French Screamo and Japanese Noisecore, and a collection of recent Powerviolence records on vinyl
nice try memefriend, go back to your Pianos Become the Teeth and Parquet Courts pls

Die Zauberfloete

& pic related

>>5183961
i only listen to true punk xXx

>>5184005
That's my favorite post-hardcore record so I'll let you off the hook

memer

>>5184005
one of the greatest albums of all time

>>5183952
Thank you, that one is going right into my Malick folder.

>>5182770

>>5182818
>Kubrick
>not the pic related superior film

Not but everything he made after 1955 was amazing and I understand you're appeal

>>5185109
also this is my favorite work outside of literature, alongside some of the red pill South Park episodes, The Marshall Mathers LP, and The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

Puella Magi Madoka Magica

It's the best writing in anime.

>>5185109
Is that Barry Lyndon?
I haven't actually watched it, yet.

I just saw a Jamie Wyeth exhibit in Boston. His works are absolutely fucking breathtaking in person. His paintings really do show as much about a character as a short story.

Bresson's Pickpocket is up there.

Man, I wish 4chan had an actual film board. /tv/ is pretty bad these days.

>>5185381
/lit/ can have a decent film thread from time to time, better than /tv/ at any rate

>>5185416
But it's technically off topic and against the rules.

>>5185428
It would be best if /lit/ would be separated into just /lit/ and then, like, a high culture general board, but hey. And besides this thread is good.

>>5185130
>some of the red pill South Park episodes
Which ones?

>Man my hobby board sure sucks because we're all reatds
>I know, I'll go shitpost on another hobby board

Jesus christ

>>5185529
Thread unrelated?

>>5182460
solid bait, but you can't get me. Based Ebert warned me about this. Do yourself a favor and read the article below. It's all about how vidya games are for validation seeking plebs

http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/video-games-can-never-be-art

>>5185566
Using such articles as any kind of meaningful assertion or standard instead of just enjoying the medium and coming up with your own opinions and thoughts is a much more evident signifier of seeking validation.
I know you're baiting, but still.

>>5185566
>>5185656
Why the fuck is anything anyone disagrees with automatically considered bait these days.

holy fuck do you faggots even know the meaning of the word. good article though

>>5185658
I am not disagreeing with the article, since it's just an opinion. I am more disagreeing with the notion of using instead of an argument in meaningful dialogue.

Although arguing about 'muh art' is not very bright in itself and, in my experience, never amounted to anything other than endless waves of shitposting.

>>5182701
Holy shit someone else on /lit/ from perth

Tom or Liam?

>>5185668
it's not an opinion. Ebert proves that video games,where they stand, are not an art. I wouldn't expect you to understand though.

>>5185160
muh nigga

>>5182663
I really liked Infinite though. It looked amazing and every aspect of the game was good or even great.

>>5185566
This worst part of this site is I never know what is ironic and what is sincere.

Roger Ebert is an idiot. Seriously, listen to his review of Full Metal Jacket or Blue Velvet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rift8Zp0hKk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uehfL60EA4

The guy is a total pleb. Why anyone would listen to his words on what is or isn't art is beyond me.

>>5185699
How did you find the combat anywhere resenbling bearable? 2 gun limit and perma gun specific upgrades is a fucking awful design choice as was every plasmid being a different coloured grenade.

>>5185731
Skyhook? I like the fast paced combat. I argee with you on the guns part but the plasmid was just a 'grenade'. Using as a traps can help combat too. Liz was great in combat part too.

>>5185697
>I wouldn't expect you to understand though.
cool finisher

>>5185752
nothin personell kid

>>5183086

He is correct on a board like lit it is kind of ridiculous to have the pleb/patrician concept is dumb. The fall of Rome can in part be attributed to the fall of the patrician class. For some as "patrician" as /lit/ you would think that they might know better.

>>5185843
if you've only read entry-level stuff you ARE a pleb

This is hard for me but if I had to answer Dark City and In the Mood for Love are amazing things.

>>5185864
Gorgeous
saw it in the Vatican at St Paul's when I was younger, wish I could again

>>5185847
Is it not the true Patrician who can find meaning in depth in even the most simple of works?

>>5185910
yeah but if you've ONLY read entry-level you're still a pleb

Akira
TETSUUUUUUO!!!!!

Evanjellyon

BT - This Binary Universe

>>5185941
>>5186016
weebs

>>5186016
Please. As a casual anime watcher I can say Eva was good, but really nothing special. The characters were 2-dimensional in every sense of the word, the 'Angels' plotline was too convoluted and 2deep4u and whatever depth the show had it ruined by explicitly stating the flaws of subsequent resolution of every character in the last two episodes.

It was good for anime. That isn't saying much.

>>5186047
I dont watch last two episodes. I go straight for End of Eva.

I understand its your opinion but I have to disagree with the "nothing special" part and 2-dimensional characters. Thats just hyperbole when you compare it to shit shows with actual 2-dimensional characters and regular slice of life plot.

>>5186047
top kill yourself

how are you on /lit/ and talking shit about eva? do you even hegel? christianity, buddhism or psychoanalysis?

eva is (original tv series, so minus the movies) is god tier

>>5186110

Ah the casual use of these DOES make it deep. How could I forget?

http://pt1210.kikencorp.com/

Making amiga modules in Protracker is art to me

>>5186175
>tfw you can't into music theory

>>5186016
This for me too, it unlocked something in me that let me read literature seriously. It's a decent work of literature, a crowning jewel of anime, and with the movie a great work of visual art.

>>5186175
Related.
A subculture exist were you can be really creative no matter if you are into programming, art, or music.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PEpABe_ZtA

Madoka Magica Movie 3 and End of Evangelion

>>5186218
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Heg67Ir9gCg

>>5186219
Both extremely overrated
Watch better anime like Legend of the Galactic Heroes

>>5186242
>I dont like it so its overrated

I love LOGH though. Its like War & Peace in space.

>>5186228
>>5186175
>>5186218

http://www.youtube.com/user/RevisionParty

Probably some of Arthur Russell's music.

Also, since everyone ITT is mentioning video games, I started playing Dark Souls earlier in the month and it's probably the best experience I've had in the medium.

>>5186250
fair comparison, both are dull as fuck

Yume Nikki set a new standard for art in video games for me. I've yet to experience anything else like it.
http://yumenikki.wikia.com/wiki/Yume_Nikki

>>5183905
this
The telly version of Jam has its moments as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEacGiMO3K0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNmZ8bqkXvw

Nonchalant low-key horror like that evokes very comfy, nostalgic feelings in me, like things are finally right. Quite paradoxical but so it goes. Other things that've done that are Yume Nikki and Ruth White's Flowers of Evil album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ba4-nurH9Y

>>5186242
Legend of the Galactic Heroes is engaging in terms of its plot complexity and strategizing but it's engaging only at that level. What really enthralls me about movies and animation are their oneiric quality, the ability to bend reality in those slight amazing ways. Noir for example with its dark chiaroscuro and semi-surreal postmodern things like Synecdoche New York are to me the best shit in the world. Same goes for Orson Welles' The Trial, Kubrick's Clockwork Orange, Terry Gilliam's Brazil, the opening dream of Fellini's 8.5, Tarkovsky's Stalker and Chris Marker's amazing documentary San Soleil.

To me though animation is really projecting the pure stuff of dreams in film format. Evangelion reminded me of Artaud's description of the Plague in The Theater and its Double and his comparison of the event of a massive plague to theater. It also reminded me of his description of the play's 'shadow'. On the other side Madoka Magica was really just the stuff of dreams. The bus ride scene in it is pretty much the most enchanting and magical thing that I have seen on film, even more so than anything Miyazaki or Disney could pull. It brimmed with the essence of Goethe's play, with all its magic and spirits and hauntings. Almost every shot in that film has basically been etched into my visual library.

>>5186255
Arm Around You and
You And Me Both are my favorites from Calling Out of Context.