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it's BS. there's nothing wrong with valuing your life and refusing to fight for capitalists looking for a quick buck.

>>5150273
>>/tumblr

>Jingoism is a good reason for war

>>5150277
gtf>>>/out/

Why should I give a fuck about my country?

I'm proud of the things I have accomplished, but only things I actually worked at. I didn't have to do shit to be born where I was.

>>5150273
>laughingwojaks.jpg

This quote doesn't quite make sense.

He complains about people who care about nothing and don't want to go to war over nothing. And then he sees that people who only care about their own safety care about nothing. But this is a contradiction. These people might very well go to war over their personal safety. Then he continues on with some trite feel good nonsense about freedom -- as if that nebulous concept meant anything at all (you believe in free will, mr. mill? how cute). Then he talks some bullshit about how he's better than other people even tho he's probably a candy-ass intellectual who wouldn't fight anyone for safety or freedom.

>>5150250

so tired of these fucking faggots with a typewriter claiming they know just how "miserable" everybody else is through some convoluted armchair psych bullshit

old authors thought they had all the fucking answers, fucking fags

In terms of war to take over other countries/territories, can anyone tell me what the point is?

I understand it's cool to subjugate an entire country of people, but it's not like they agree with their new leaders/government. Wouldn't it just end up dissolving into nothing, anyway, as the case with Czechoslovakia in 1989?

It's costly to exhibit a control over others, and the gain seems (to me, anyway) not even worth it.

Any ideas?

>>5150298
I would imagine you take over a country once for a little bit then give it back and demand tribute in the future for "security". Kinda like how the Mafia does it.

>>5150250
I'm curious as to what text that's from? On its own it can't really be judged because he doesn't explain anything

I cannot, in any way, think of a recent war fought by a first world country that remotely increased the freedom of its citizens.

>>5150304
Hm. Like the US with Iraq.

But, when this isn't the case, as with the Nazis and Poland (also Czechoslovakia)? Or were the Nazis just waiting for the war to end to get to that "giving back and demanding tribute" part?

>>5150310
I don't really think afghanistan and iraq count as 'wars' when all you do is invade a third world shithole that can't fight back and then steal oil and grow opium,

>>5150250
It's legit. People built and defended your country so you could grow up like you did. Now it's your turn. Too many delinquent men and it fails.

>>5150333
This assumes we like our country and/or the way we grew up.

>>5150352
No.

>>5150355
Yes?

>>5150250
I don't think he's necessarily talking about fighting for one's country but rather for fighting for what someone believes in e.g liberty.

>>5150356
Even a plain meal stills your stomach.
It might not be perfect but they worked hard to make it as good as possible. Respect that.

>better men than himself
tip top lel, and I guess the ones parroting this kind of "wisdom" are also the better men, right?

Countries are glorified tribes that claim ownership of a certain plot of land.

The very notion of a country is xenophobic and is detrimental to humans understanding each other.

>>5150391
Do you advocate an alternative to country?

>>5150424
no countries.

>>5150428
If you want to live in the wild, nobody is stopping you.

>>5150372
You're one of those traditionalist dumbasses who thinks fighting in Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan helped build the United States and ensure freedom.

I farted loudly in the middle of a restaurant and received dirty looks.
Silly faggots, I'm more free than they can ever be.

>>5150428

well that sounds practical

Maybe during a time when fighting for freedom actually meant fighting for freedom.

He was talking about liberating his own country, not other countries.
Stop making straw men.

>>5150444
Thanks. I've been working on that idea for about a week, so I think it's pretty solid.

>>5150470
>idea for about a week

>>5150438
No.

>>5150460
this

>>5150298
Depends. Wars for territory arent just about the territory. Theres a reason for them. In the case of the Nazis, they wanted Lebensraum.

>>5150482
>Not being a Machiavellian, not starting wars during times of peace.
If it was up to you we would have died of overindulgence a while ago.

>>5150298
>In terms of war to take over other countries/territories, can anyone tell me what the point is?

The point of that is whatever pushed the attacking army to that point anyway. Lebensraum, God Wills It, lust for natural resources, old injustices, etc.