/lit/ - Literature

>>5142605
sorry pleb but painting will never rise above crass entertainment for the drooling masses. the closest it can hope to get to art is being a minor plot element in a Dan Brown novel.

>>5142649
>this ignorant opinion.
LOL
O
L

I'd expect this kind of thing from /v/ but I really thought /ic/ was above this.

>>5142665
>This complete lack of awareness

>>5142605
Gentlemen: America.

>>5142605
That chick's body and face are pretty fucking masculine looking.

>>5142668
>being curious on some historical literature or citations from reggarded intelectuals is bad.
I'm just curious, I'm not well read in books.

>>5142670
Pls forgive my question, is weird and I don't know how to express it properly.
I just want to see what are some philosophers or art theorist/historians on painting as an art form.

>>5142605
>Reply
All creative works are vehicles for something (ascribe by the individual, the collective, whatever).

So to answer your question: yes.

According to Michael Leyton a painting may be the best container for meaning.

>>5142670
>I'm rubber, you're glue, yadda yadda
put up or shut up, both of you

>>5142605
>I'm looking for writers/philosophy guys opinions on painting as art form.

Read Lessing's "Laocoon: An Essay on the Limits of Painting and Poetry". He argues that each have strengths based, inherently, on their forms.

>>5142605
You look at a picture for a few mins and you've had enough.
Think about it

>>5142681
Got a problem with that?

>>5142696
What? I was alluding to the first response being obviously tongue in cheek.

>>5142706

I'd rather pay $50k a year for an English degree, so I, at the very least, have options for a job whereas paying $50k a year for a Fine Arts degree will get me jack shit without knowing the right people.

>>5142728
top artist in film can make easily 200k
or advertising.
or any commercial art.
fine art is for faggots.

>>5142736
Andy Warhol was a faggot. He made commercial art.

>>5142702
OP here.
care to give me a download link?

>>5142746
andy wharhol is a shit artist, he's the same a game of thrones.

>>5142736
Connections buddy.
>>5142746
Also I'd like to argue that contemporary art is all commercial art nowadays because of the large hipster influence onto the art industry. So many of them do it because it's "cool" that it's difficult to pick out the real artists from the batch of kids that can afford to go to art school.

>>5142757
My point was that he was a faggot who made commercial art. The quality or value of his art is irrelevant.

>>5142689
Tolstoy and Collingwood have some books on art, but I don't know if they include painting on their definition.

>>5142760
>>5142769
shit artists are shit artist.
top artist are well versed on classical principles.

>huh duh my modern style for hacks.

>>5142605
I have the same question abut about music and film.

>>5142781
I have a PhD in Art History, I know what I'm talking about. I didn't go to school for this long, for this degree for nothing. And now I have the moment to shine with my knowledge. Let me enjoy my comment.

>>5142796
>PHD art history
ok buddy.
what's your opinion on movements towards a renaissance of classicisms such as the Art renewal center?

>>5142805
Why do you care? This is 4chan. You'll just make a stupid "hur dur" comment like earlier to completely void anything I say. I will not put the effort in to give my opinion.

>>5142812
So?
I never argue against your points m8

>>5142821
Honestly, I used to work with Fred Ross and I've actually written an article on him. He's honestly got the right intentions and I agree with him after an interview where he changed my mind on the way I think.
For over 90 years there has been a concerted and relentless effort to disparage, denigrate and obliterate the reputations, names and brilliance of the academic artistic masters of the late 19th century. ... It is incredible how close Modernist theory, backed by an enormous network of powerful and influential art dealers, came to acquiring complete control over thousands of museums, university art departments and journalistic art criticism.

>>5142833
so you think people are just getting tired of modernism seeing as it has clearly stagnated?
so, where is the art world going?

>>5142752
Not the person you're replying to, but here it is:
https://archive.org/details/laocoonessayupon00lessrich

Always try "Google-fu," OP.

>>5142849
Tha streets!

Can you give me a definition of what constitutes an "artform" and art for you?

>>5142935
What makes you think that?

>>5142963
Banksy

obvious troll

>>5142849
>2014
>not turning your life into a work of art

>>5142963
The hoity toity "high art" world isn't as interesting as the pop-surralist/street/advertising world of "low art"

>>5143026
bob please, your game is shit and you're a failure as game developer.
pls comit sudoku.

>>5143028
You're an idiot.

If you want to see the future look at James Turrel's work. Sitting in one of his works is remarkable. One of the most amazing experiences I've ever had in my life. Taking the philosophy and aesthetic of mark rothko and moving it forward.

>>5142973
Boring shit.
>>5143028
Whats interesting about it then?

>>5143028
I like Murakami, personally.

>>5143040
I was generalizing. Didn't mean any offense and I'm not seriously predicting any future, just an opinion. Turrell look pretty cool. Minimalism is kind of dull to me. ultimately a dead end. Where else can this Rothko-Turrell road lead?
>Eyvind Earl pictured

>>5143043
Stuff.

>>5143047
Chiho Aoshima <3

>>5142668
Let's not pretend he's a competent artist or representative of /ic/.

>>5143068
>Chiho Aoshima
Nice. I hadn't seen her before.

>>5142833
>For over 90 years there has been a concerted and relentless effort to disparage, denigrate and obliterate the reputations, names and brilliance of the academic artistic masters of the late 19th century. ... It is incredible how close Modernist theory, backed by an enormous network of powerful and influential art dealers, came to acquiring complete control over thousands of museums, university art departments and journalistic art criticism.

[citation needed]

>>5143068
Please find your nearest rothko and sit in front of it for an hour. It's the least minimal kind of work imaginable. It's complete overpowering immanence, a confrontation with base thought and feeling. Rothko's work present a new stage wherein the viewer can construct and experience worlds concealed from us in daily life.

It's not a "well that's neat sort of thing". It's a state in awe and cry sort of thing. For fucks sake , the guy fucking killed himself and went on making works in the same vein until he did so and the best you can come up with is "neat"?

>>5143095
>and the best you can come up with is "neat"?

Our butterfly isn't exactly renowned for having a command on language. God bless pretentious white trash.

>>5143095
And where it leads to? Moments of authenticity, a shifting of regular thought to make way for novel, expansive plains for humans, a regaining of spirituality in a universal sense...

>>5143095
Oh, I have one of those installed in my head.

>>5143100
His quotation is plucked from his own backside. I wouldn't call Rothko "neat"

>>5143126
Of course, you actually called it dull, revealing the depth of your thought and feeling. And even saying that rothko is minimalism? Hah, it's maximalism. It's an expression of spirituality, personal suffering, the culmination of exploring color and form, textures.

Art isn't some thing that looks cool on your computer screen, that you can repost on your tumblr. Rothko's works are one of the most outstanding human achievements.

>>5143163
>>5143095
You got a single fact to back that up?

>>5143163
>you actually called it dull
I called minimalism dull, again I was generalizing. In that same sentence I said Turrell looked pretty cool. But this is minimalism. What else can you do with it?
>Rothko is maximalims
HA. If you say so.
>It's an expression of spirituality, personal suffering, the culmination of exploring color and form, textures.
Pretty sparse. It's not bad art, it's just simple -To me.
Stonehenge is an outstanding human achievement.

>>5143177
It's just his grandiose opinion.

>>5142796
recommend art history texts pls

>>5143216
Id like this as well.
Btw what do you think of Brian Sewell?

/ck/ noob here.

Even if my question is weird, pls forgive me.

Can lettuce be as valid as an foodsource as lamb shanks?

I'm looking for writers/philosophy guys opinions on eating stuff as a source of nutrition.

>>5143213
Unless you've seen a rothko in person and engaged with it, then you are really in no position to criticize it as a dead end. What's with the weird notion of "progress" in the highest expressions of humanity too?

Same goes for Turrell. You have to be in a Turrell work to understand it.

>>5143243
>Same goes for Turrell. You have to be in a Turrell work to understand it.

>tfw you will never be able to see Second Wind in person.

>>5142787
I have the same question about vidya.