/lit/ - Literature

>tfw no history board on 4chan

really, why is there no history board?
also is The Long Ships worth reading?

>>5090986
>>5091221
Because history is already written
Eventually there would be almost nothing left to talk about
At least that's how I think moot would see it

>>5090986
If it helps historyfags are best fags on /lit/

>>5091233
the whole point of the subject of history is to argue about interpretations, though. It's as much a fluid subject as literature or philosophy

To OP: what level history book are you looking for? Pic related is a great intro level read about the Peloponesian War that really got me into history

>>5091272
Just intro level would be nice. Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check that out.

>>5090963
>to read up on the Egyptians
Recommended to us in the past by anonymous.

>>5090986
/lit/ is the history board by default because historians present their research in the form of literature.

>>5092470
Don't think you're part of any "us" you disgusting namefag.

What about the best empire: the American empire?

>>5092482

>forming tribes with anonymous people on an imageboard dedicated to japanese cartoons

>>5092485
that's a funny way of spelling achaemenid, anon

>>5092489
>condoning butterfly

>>5092482
But >>5091258 <- I'm one of the "best fags on /lit/"

>>5092571
Historyfags don't read 4 gore vidal books and call it a year

>>5092485

>>5092581
I've only read two. One this year one last year. And talk about history fags! He was quite the history fag

>>5090986
If there was a history board, it would be swarming with /pol/tards

nothing on romans huh?

>>5092627
I like the looks of these two Scullard books, but I don't yet know if they're any good.

>>5092632
> From the Gracchi to Nero might better be called From the Gracchi to St. Paul. The selflessness expected of the Romans suggests a Christian message, and Christian coloring throughout the book seems to confirm it: Ti. Gracchus is "not a voice crying in the wilderness" (21); "The Gracchi were in a true sense martyrs: they had witnessed to their belief in the need for reform and they had suffered for their faith" (32); "Vergil and Horace started indeed as poets of the revolutionary triumviral period but they became the evangelists of the settlement" (200). The book ends with the evangelism of St. Paul, whose mission to the gentiles is facilitated by the pax Romana and whose life is saved (initially anyway) by possession of Roman citizenship (309). The teleological urgency of Italian unification and the harmony of the Roman Empire become intelligible, as St. Augustine argued long ago.

>Every great history eventually becomes a nuisance to contemporary historians. From the Gracchi to Nero is written not for today's student, though it has much to offer, but for privileged, Christian, English schoolboys in need of heroes and steeped in war and politics, who believe in the righteousness of empire and the march of civilization—and who incidentally can already read Latin.

>>5092632
>i like the covers and I have nothing else in my life

>>5092632
who's publisher of those books, R-xxxx? just walked past a stand of them thinking what is this junk, on my to purchasing the Red Book.
>nose touched the ceiling

>>5092663
ok it's Routledge.

seems like they're doing all the titles Penguin didn't want.
>kek

anyway, really, nothing on Roman besides butterfly's (unread) suggestion? true sadness, those guys are the main reason for a lot of stupid stuff in our society

>>5092649
Noted

>>5092651
>I have nothing else in my life
Rather, I had no time to research these particular books.

>>5092685
Plenty of time to dither away on /lit/ though

>>5092649
this is the wurst

my gf ended up with her mum's library and all the history books have such a English empire bend on them they're unreadable.
>and then the great English made this cool string
>The Germans? The French? Yeah they had some stuff going but look at what the BRITISH did.

absolutely disgusting, books date from 1950 to mid 1960

>>5092692
i dislike butterfly as much as the next anon, but you can't comment on her usage of 4chan when you, and me are on it too

>>5092692
After a long hard day at work. Yup.

Here ya go OP. Read the source materials and you can't go wrong.

>>5092713
The difference is I read more than 4 books a year

>>5092718
You can if you blindly accept what Suetonius has to say about Claudius.

>>5092718
so you work 8 hours in some menial unchallenging job and then come home and relax by posting on a board with a subject you have minimal interest in where everyone hates you

>>5092742
Damn, even at my worst I read more than that. Can I have a medal?

>>5092751
I don't hate butterfly

>>5092742
Oh go back to your TV Guide, anon.

>>5092747
Well never accept them blindly of course.

>>5092751
My alternate response is: do you ever get tired of derailing good threads to flame tripfags?

You surely must realize you are hurting /lit/ more than any tripfag ever could

>>5092684
I'm reading scullard at the moment and i didn't sense the latent christian message that other poster mentioned. I'm only on pg 50 but i'm liking it so far.


this list was on the nonfiction section of the /lit/ sticky.:

The Cambridge Ancient History, vol. 7 through 14
Edinburgh History of Ancient Rome (series)
Rome: An Empire's Story by Greg Woolf
Rome: From Village to Empire by Boatwright, Gargola et al
The Twelve Caesars by Suetonius
From the Gracchi to Nero by H.H. Scullard
The Later Roman Empire 284-602 AD by A. H. M. Jones
The Decline of the Ancient World by A. H. M. Jones
The Cambridge Medieval History vol. 1, 2, 4.1 and 4.2
New Cambridge Medieval History

>>5092765
you read lowbrow scifi and middlebrow shit feminister told you to read

You obviously don't like literature that much, and we don't like you, so why post here?

>>5092765
I wish that the Landmark series put out more histories. I have their version of Xenophon's Hellenika, and they really do an outstanding job.

>>5092768
>complains about derailing thread
>not posting anything related to history

>>5092768
Not possible faggot, if you are anything less than openly hostile to tripfags you are cancer

>>5092773
You must be keeping a close watch on what I read. You start all those What-are-you-reading threads? I'm done with Clarke, he's a legend. the Le Guin I've read is more social-sience fiction. An excellent book. "Middlebrow form Feminister" must be the American classic Invisible Man. You really should read it.
I will be tackling Moby Dick this year... but I have all these history books I'm in the middle of too, so don't expect me to get to Don Quixote just yet. (December?)

>>5092776
But Anon, I gave OP a winning recommendation here >>5091272 and besides I was lurking the nascent discussion on Scullard before it got hijacked by that flaming asshole.

I don't care about tripfags too much (except for Evola and Feminister. They are assholes) but what I do care about is someone actively and intentionally degrading the board and acting like they're a vital part of its immunosystem.

Now, with that being said, back to history. I just read pic related and want to delve into a revisionist pro-German narrative of WWI. Anybody got any recs?

>>5092801
>a revisionist pro-German narrative of WWI. Anybody got any recs?

So what are the best books on the Middle Ages? I don't mind how broad or how specific it is.

>>5092810

>>5092826

carlos can you actually fuck off mate

>>5092815
>I don't mind how broad or how specific it is.
Le Goff gets a lot of recs around here.

>>5092624
why not just ban nazi shite then, like fanfiction is banned here? A simple cure to most of the cancer.

>>5092893
that would require the presence of attentive moderators. Go on and post fanfic here. Nobody will stop you

>>5092939
the latest fanfic and ad threads were deleted rather promptly

my fic is not ready yet, but when it is, who knows... I hope you like rape of history

>>5092815
Wickham, Chris.
Framing the early middle ages

>>5092801
Lel, Robert Massie? Could you be anymore pleb

>>5091272
Lel v d h?

Maximum pleb achieved

>>5093069
>intro level

>>5090963
I know it's not of ancient history but is really great for the past century.

>tfw just spent 6 hours playing EU4 only to get bored with my gameplan for the 600th time

I'M GLAD I NEVER LEARN FROM MY EXPERIENCES

>>5093128
Lol. magna mundi only

>>5090963
Friedrich Engels, Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State

>>5090963
The History of Rome by Theodor Mommsen.

For Roman History I recommend Luciano Canfora's books; he maybe is the last Latinist alive.
However, he is Italian, therefore I don't know whether his books have been translated

>>5092624
the opposite would not be preferable either...

You guys know any good world history textbooks?

>>5093721
I recommended these in a world history thread the other day:
William Mcneill- Rise of the West
Robert Marks- Origins of the Modern World: A Global and Ecological History
Immanuel Wallerstein- World Systems' Analysis

>>5092591
>NIALL FERGUSON
>NO ARCHIVAL RESEARCH
>a masterpiece of right wing synthetic hackjobbery —Bourgeois Times

>>5092815
Caliban and the Witch

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