/lit/ - Literature

For whom the bells toll

Isn't it sort of puerile to escape your personal inadequacies through ideology

>>5071642
>that photoshopped soldier's hand
>implying Commies weren't a million times worse than Nazis when it came to treating people like shit

>>5071642
Read a history book? Perhaps the one about your picture there?

Why would you want ideological pandering like that? Ambiguity is what makes a story interesting. If I were to read something with a straightforward political message, I'd want to go into it critically, whether I agreed with it or not, analyzing the assumptions behind the author's worldview.

>>5071642
The Iron Heel.

>>5071642
Why is that commie wearing two watches?

>>5071662
They just destroyed Berlin, and raped the Germans, he probably got them off dead nazis

>>5071642
Life and Fate

>>5071655
>implying it's still 1950 and there's any excuse to believe even half of the red scare bullshit

>>5071642
Any competent WWII history book is that exactly. Just ignore the ones that are focused on the US and how they single-handedly smashed the fasc.

>>5071642
>recommend me a book in which traditionalist fascists

You mean like Horthy or Salizar or Franco? Because most fascists recompose the national community in modernistic ways (Hitler, Mussolini, Peron).

>>5071642
so dribble?

>>5071869
how bout tito vs ustase?

>>5071883
I'll pay Ustase, but only if you play Tuđman / Milošević as fash on fash. What about Quisling?

>>5071871
>dribble

No traditionalism is superior to degenerate marxism is every way.

>>5071906
Is anal sex traditional?

>>5071907
It results in dribble.

>>5071906
Seems to me like libertarianism is the way to go.

>>5071907
It is the custom of the Greeks.

Has anyone noticed the incidence of obscenely retarded tripfags has increased since feminister flopped on in here?

>>5071919them
Yes. I also note that for a supposedly intelligent board, a shockingly high amount of people reply to tripfags instead of filtering them.
It hurts my brain...

>>5071906
The woman isn't riding sidesaddle
Chariots are more traditional than riding the horse itself

>>5071906
Yeah boy! Show us all your pics! <3

>>5071906
>woman in pants
revolting degenerate.

>>5071951
Um... how do I filter trips

>>5072102
Settings, top right

>>5071996
The board is worse for your existence in it.

>>5072110
The board is better for your existence in it

>>5072113
I agree. Were you even trying?

>>5072125
Trying what?

>>5072139

>>5072108
>In Which Feminister Tries to Show That, No, Really Guys, She Doesn't Trip for Attention

>>5072189
She's trying to make it so only her sycophants can interact with her

>>5071732
bullshit for you, suffering for others. you are scum

>>5072189
Chill Anon or #TeamFeminister tears you a new one.

I have a question, in media depicting communism i always see communists complimenting themselves in how they are good communists. Was the word "fascist" every used in a positive light by fascists? "we are good fascists" or "fascism is the only reasonable way to live"

>>5071919
How do I tripfag?
-XxxCockmuncher69-

>>5074318
Oh wow we sure are mad and trolled now d00d xDD

>>5074331
Musso yes.

Horthy, Salazar, Franco, Peron, Pinochet, Tudjman, Milosevic all claimed to be "other" than fascist (but still virulently right wing); but they meet the fundamental criteria.

Wtf, is this a /pol/ raid or something?

>muh moral equivalence

Bump for interest, I have a friend who joined an ultra-nationalist organization, I'd love to get him some reading material that would help dispel his preconceived notions.

>>5075657
You're viewing this as an ideological problem. Fascism is not an ideological problem, it is a social problem comprised of underorganised workers and failed revolutionary action. The correct response to an ultranationalist mate is to warn him twice and then cut off his thumbs and big toes.

>>5075657
Almost any history book about WW2 will do. Have a look at South America too.

>>5071655
The guy's hands aren't doctored in this picture. Look at the dude below the flag holder. He has two watches.

>>5075667
Very true, he'd been destitute for several years, working odd jobs with little pay, and finally he managed to land a position at or near his qualification level, with a decent wage, good environment, and even a bit of leisure time. College grad, but originally from a working class family. At this moment he's definitely internalizing the values of the petite burgeoisie, often phrasing xenophobia in the jargon of neoliberal market fundamentalism.

I realize reading a book won't change anything overnight, but I don't really know what else I could do to help at this juncture.

>>5075829
>I realize reading a book won't change anything overnight, but I don't really know what else I could do to help at this juncture.

Spend more time with him, develop the commonality of the class, get him unionised, move him into circles with workers from a variety of cultural backgrounds.

You can either organise him, or kill him. Those are your choices. And organising is going to have to be soft. He's got to unlearn a lot about how he made it as an individual, in favour of everyone making it and everyone helping each other make it. Start by helping (fix the car, computer, etc.). Shout beers/coffee/cultural food. Don't expect reciprocation.

>>5071732
>this is what westerners actually believe

>>5075829
>my friend is bettering his wife
>better fuck that up
Kill yourself.

feminister might not be a good poster, but I'll take her over the rest of the lot any day
miss D&E ;_;

>>5076449
>bettering his wife
Riiiiiight.

>>5076444
*liberals

>>5071642
THE RED CAVALRY by Isaak Babel is a cycle of short stories based on the campaign in Poland. It is worthy in that it does not try to whitewash the Bolshevik cause.

>>5074331
'Fascist' is only a derogatory word because of the usual pop culture backlash against the losers of the your civilisation's big conflict. It comes directly from the name of the Italian Fascisti party, which comes from the Roman fasces, a bundle of sticks, i.e. a faggot, meant to symbolise the strength of a the united commonwealth etc. Only reason Nazis didn't say 'we're good fascists' is because they were good Nazis. Same story, not a derogatory term, just means NSDAP member.

There were plenty of people in liberal democracies (France, UK, Canada, US) who admired the Fascists. It would have been normal in the 1920s or 1930s to say 'too bad we don't have a Fascist government here'. To say 'you're a Fascist!!' would have been like saying 'you're a Social Democrat!!'.

It only picked up derogatory connotations the same way commie did. To many or most people, especially in certain places like Eastern Europe, communist is practically synonymous with Stalinist, which is practically synonymous with Russian imperialism, tyranny, and terror.

>>5076652
>Eastern Europe
You are talking about the butthurt belt, fagist, about it's rural parts in particular. Not all of Eastern Europe is that dumb. Also, I'm very sorry your sister has to work in the city and probably has HIV. I'm sure it's the Jewdars, the Russians and Gypsies who did this. No doubt.

>>5076932
>butthurt belt

they didnt, because there's honor among thieves

>>5076932
you little cunt

>>5074331
Yes, Benito was proud as fuck.

>>5076932
>not all of Eastern Europe is that dumb

You're right, many are educated enough to remember 1956, 1968, etc.

>>5075845
>You can either organise him, or kill him.
Leftists in charge of being tolerant, non-betraying and honourable people.

>>5071649

>Franco
>facist

pick uno. what's more it was Franco blowing the fuck out imported marxists so...

This thread has caused a spike in my spook scanner.

>>5076932

You're absolutely clueless and it really shows you're a total Westerner with a commie hard-on. Go preach your ideology of failed moral imperative somewhere else.

The same ideology which ruined my country and genocided the top intelligentsia of my people.

this was better than any airplane fare had a right to be:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Rats

>>5077951
>yfw eastern Yuropoors are permanently butthurt about everything

delicious

>>5077915
If Franco wasn't a fascist, then what was he? a reactionary pseudo-traditionalist?

>>5077915

pls how is Franco not a fascist?

>>5077979
>mfw anglo retard preaches the horrible system which he isn't even familiar with on day to day basis

also morally communism is a wasteland

>>5077986
>>5077982

autocratic, monarchist conservative. not yet a traditionalist, but close. fascism is something more than just authoritarianism, you know

>>5078012
Not really proper to call him a monarchist since he didn't even designate a king until '69 and he still remained at the top of the power chain

>>5078012
>mfw an eastern European blames someone else for his problems yet again

>you will never feed Marxists to dogs to be raped and eaten alive

>>5077915
>>Franco
>>facist
>>5078012
>autocratic, monarchist conservative. not yet a traditionalist, but close. fascism is something more than just authoritarianism, you know

The key definition of fascism is an extra-parliamentary modernising radical conservatism in the face of a failed revolution. Franco meets the fucking criteria.