/lit/ - Literature

Bukowski was pretty simple. Just put some whiskey in his beer. Called a Depth Charge.

>cant name a single author who doesnt speak english
>list is on par with cracked articles

>>5048684
Well, Novalis was on Laudanum. But that's not a drink, though it contains alcohol.

>>5048700
novalis looks like a ferret or something like that

couldnt find a better pic

Baudelaire was on Absinthe, Hashish, Laudanum and Wine.

>>5048721
He wrote like a Ferret, too

>>5048730
i have no idea what you mean.
how do ferrets write? you mean his style or his handwriting?

>>5048733
Excessively sweetish lyric only a young girl would want to read. Romantic awkward nonsese. Picrelated is Anacreon, one of the first drunk writers. As you can see, he had some pretty good-looking genitals.

>>5048751
Holy shit how fucking retarded can you be did you ever even read any Novalis you fucking disgusting subhuman piece of shit

>>5048761
I thank god the faggot is dead. Germany needed 200y to forget him.

>>5048751
i know what romanticism is and it's probably among the best "schools of philosophy".
it's not excessively sweetish, at all. romanticism has barely anything to do with romance.

>>5048672
maybe my genes aren't built for it like the cherokees weren't, but booze really makes me feel tired and dumb, not creative and witty. fuck drinking.

>>5048780
speed or opiods on the other hand... well now we're onto something helpful

>>5048776
I remember reading some Hesse and there was the name: Novalis. That's the only bad thing about Herman. He brought that evil, evil name into my life. I was never a fan of Goethe, but THIS guy is on a completely different level. Protip: Romanticism is not a philosophy, it's mental diarrhea.

>>5048791
without novalis you wouldnt have hesse. you better be grateful. hesse used to hate romanticism until he worked in a bookshop at the age of 17(i think) where he read his first romantic works. in a letter hesse wrote to a friend:

Im Prinzip sind mir die Romantiker zuwider, doch liebe ich Einzelne, vor allem Uhland und Eichendorff. Tieck kann ich nicht leiden. […] Auch Eichendorff wird mir oft zu romantisch, zu wirr und zu schwül und einseitig. […] Überhaupt kann es einem nicht lange wohl sein im engen Gärtchen der Romantiker, in diesem aus dem Moder beschworenen Tand, in diesem Weihrauchqualm.“

a few years later he said this about romanticists:

Alles Heimliche
und Jünglinghafte des deutschen Herzens ist in ihr, alle die Überkraft
neben aller Krankheit, und vor allem eine Sehnsucht nach geistiger Höhe,
eine jugendlich geniale Spekulation, welche unserer Zeit durchaus fehlt.
Die Religion der Kunst — das ist für mich das Wesentliche, sie ist das Ziel
der Romantik in ihren naivsten wie in ihren raffiniertesten Produkten.
Traurig und lächerlich erscheint mir die laienhafte, energielose Nietzscheschwärmerei
unserer jungen Literatur. [...] Wie viel reicher war die Zeit
der Schlegel, Hardenberg, Steffens, Schölling, Schleiermacher!

novalis actually ends up being his favourite author. he wrote several books(including a biography i think) about novalis

>>5048820
I guess Herman liked to take a walk on the weird side from time to time.
> Schwül, Moder und Tand
> Weihrauchqualm
> Enge Gärtchen
> Gartenzwerge (he just forgot to mention that)
But ok I'll try Novalis, it's better not esoteric mindrape.

>>5048859
nig

it's fucking great

>>5048859
classic romanticism is quite different though from neo romanticism like hesse(especially siddhartha is extremely romantic).
classic romanticism is fragmentary. for example take novalis "lehrlinge zu sais"(which is one of the essential works and a relatively short text) which he never finished. it doesnt tell a clear story. it's a lot of the time fragments of different people talking about nature. a lot of the time you have no idea who is talking but there are some really good parts in it. especially the short story of hyancinth und rosenblütchen. you will find a lot of parallels between this text and hesse's siddhartha. havent read any of novalis other texts though.
i read several pages of schlegel's fragments also and really fragments is all they are. just short scentences about the universe and stuff like that.
romanticism first and foremost is a philosophy about nature and religion. it's a counter movement of the enlightenment and industrialisation of the time.
but mostly i dig romanticism because of hesse. i read siddhartha about 5 times by now and steppenwolf 3 times.
it's interesting seeing where he comes from. especially in relation to siddhartha.

>>5048893
>quite different

correction: it's a bit different.
they are very similar but there are noticable differences. the ideas and themes are the same.

>>5048672
Hemingway was a pompous blowhard manchild who stretched the truth and flat out lied about alot of his manly accomplishments, but the one thing that has been verified is that the man could DRINK. The guy used to have up to ten drinks with his breakfast, and set a record when he drank 16 of his papa dobles at the La Floridita one night (thats 32 shots of overproof rum).

There's even a cocktail guide based on his drinking, pic related.

My favorite drinks of his are the Green Isaac Special- Rum, coconut water, and a dash of bitters

And his champagne and absinthe cocktail (forgot what it was called).

>>5048859
I found Hymnen and die Nacht on Gutenberg.
It's reads like Die Leiden des jungen Werther. I constantly ask myself why he's not getting it over with by drinking a package of tobacco dissolved in wine.

>>5048903
>champagne and absinthe
mmmmh sounds great, does he add orange juice too? I've tried one with Ricard, orange juice and champagne, once.

>>5048898
btw. die lehrlinge zu sais(german, not sure if they have it in english too) and siddhartha(english and german) can be legally read and downloaded for free on the project gutenberg homepage

Hesse's prose is indeed quite similar to the Romantics, for instance how Siddharta starts:
In the shade of the house, in the sunshine of the riverbank near the
boats, in the shade of the Sal-wood forest, in the shade of the fig tree
is where Siddhartha grew up, the handsome son of the Brahman, the young
falcon, together with his friend Govinda, son of a Brahman.
But he tones it down quite a bit. Novalis is literally hysteric, shamefur dispray.

OUTTA MY WAY SOBER FUCKING SHITS

'muh glorification of a retarded habit'

>>5048957
lyrical writing style is indeed one of the characteristics of romanticism.

for comparison novalis lehrlinge zu sais(the first scentences):

Mannigfache Wege gehen die Menschen. Wer sie verfolgt und vergleicht, wird wunderliche Figuren entstehen sehn; Figuren, die zu jener großen Chiffernschrift zu gehören scheinen, die man überall, auf Flügeln, Eierschalen, in Wolken, im Schnee, in Kristallen und in Steinbildungen, auf gefrierenden Wassern, im Innern und Äußern der Gebirge, der Pflanzen, der Tiere, der Menschen, in den Lichtern des Himmels, auf berührten und gestrichenen Scheiben von Pech und Glas, in den Feilspänen um den Magnet her, und sonderbaren Konjunkturen des Zufalls, erblickt. In ihnen ahndet man den Schlüssel dieser Wunderschrift, die Sprachlehre derselben, allein die Ahndung will sich selbst in keine feste Formen fügen, und scheint kein höherer Schlüssel werden zu wollen. Ein Alkahest scheint über die Sinne der Menschen ausgegossen zu sein. Nur augenblicklich scheinen ihre Wünsche, ihre Gedanken sich zu verdichten. So entstehen ihre Ahndungen, aber nach kurzen Zeiten schwimmt alles wieder, wie vorher, vor ihren Blicken.

full text here:
http://gutenberg.spiegel.de/buch/5233/1

more importantly, the themes of siddhartha are very similar. there are passages in die lehrlinge zu sais; you can find very similar ones in siddhartha, quite often. i could go into that a bit further but that would spoiler both books. just read them, they are short anyway.( i mean that in a general sense and not as a reply to you)

>>5048903
Cocktail's called Death In The Afternoon

>>5048903
i dont get why people want to impress others with how much they can drink alcohol.
that's not an accomplishement. it costs much more to get drunk and you are ruining your live with the excessive amounts

>>5049054
plus, the glorious nation of islam forbids it.

>>5049054
*liver

Does drinking make you stupider? Does it kill brain cells, or do something to that effect?

>>5049159
It does.

But it also helps you delve into creativity. I write my best stuff after a glass or two of whisky or beer. But no more than that, or it turns into slop.

It's a fine balance.

>>5049159
Nope, it doesn't make you dumber and studies have shown it does not kill brain cells. It can cause and exacerbate emotional and psychiatric problems in addition to addiction.

>>5049054
Its not really cool, or an accomplishment to be proud of, but for someone who can drink like say Hemingway, its still impressive in the sense that not many can do that. Its like knowing someone who wrecks their motorcycle, breaks every bone in their bone, but lives. They are stupid and you don't want to be them, but it's still interesting.

>>5049175
*bone in their body

>>5048682
That's for college faggots, real men drink their boilermakers side by side.

>>5048700
>>5048774
>>5048884
>tfw you will never fuck Novalis' boypussy
He reminds me of Maisie Williams.

>>5048903
Being able to drink is hardly an accomplishment when you're unable not to drink.

>>5049216

>>5049216
take your double negative rat's nest sentence and shove it.

>>5048682
". . . scotch and beer: the blood of a coward."