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Communism.

No

The decisions will always benefit the decision-maker

not entirely but abstract representation of citizens so everyone is same and a procedure to make use of abstraction between persons.

To clarify, benefits or makes happy? Sometimes we don't like what's actually good for us.

Communism post-Proletariat uprising

>>5045574
>implying communism will ever get past the dictatorship of the proletariat

>>5045561
>Sometimes we don't like what's actually good for us
There's no point in having benefits if they don't result in a better state of mind. Some things that feel good are poisonous, but that doesn't mean that good things should make you miserable.

>>5045507
>Could there ever be a Political system where everyone benefits no matter what happens in decisions that are made

So no matter what the decision is, everyone benefits? Obviously not.

No, that's impossible because some people's interests are mutually exclusive. If there were a totally congruent group of people then yes, but that will never happen

>>5045515
You presuppose a minority of decision-makers.
You presuppose the decision-makers are always going to be corruptible.
You have little to no faith in the malleable mind and education.
You are a part of the reason we can't have nice things.

>>5045585
Maybe in the short term, but it's all a weighing of what matters most to you. Do you want the long term benefit of being in shape and healthy? Then you better refrain from drugs/junk food and exercise regularly in the short term. If you can't give up those things then don't be upset when you aren't healthy.

Yes

>>5045612
Give me one case where decisions aren't made to benefit the decision makers. Within that case, show me how it didn't negatively impact some minority group.

>>5045507
And then a man living in a basement shall complain about toothache.

>>5045638
Mussolini tried that already.

>>5045612
>you presuppose a minority of decision-makers
If a governing body exists to make a decision, the fewer individuals composing that body the more effective the decision.
>You presuppose the decision-makers are going to be corruptible.
Of course they are. They're people in charge of other people's resources.
>You have little to no faith in the malleable mind and education.
The first world is more educated now than it has ever, ever been in the past, and we demonstrate every hour of every day how little that education amounts to.
>You are part of the reason we can't have nice things
No u

>>5045944
Popper pls go.

>>5045959
Dr Georg Zachariae describes in Mussolini si confessa how our friendly totalitarian dictator would "consult" The Republic at his desk every morning before starting his day, often accompanying this with Goethe.

>>5046025
was Mussolini's state so bad?
he didn't start with the racist bullshit until Hitler twisted his arm
he honestly seemed to be doing a good job

>>5045507


define everyone.

>>5045507
Communism

>>5046093
Stop fooling yourself.

>>5046093
are you Italian?
if yes then it wasn't that bad.
if no than it was absolute shite.
The whole thing is tailored around government based on principles of national identity.
Outsiders aren't supposed to understand it or agree with it.

>>5046458
What's wrong with wanting to keep your nation for it's own people?

>>5046514
I didn't say it was wrong.
All I'm really saying is that it's not fun to be on the receiving end.

>>5046560
Well, they should probably either assimilate to the Italian culture or go back to their homeland.

>>5046639
exactly, what right do you have to (at least outwardly) not adhere to the majority culture yet expect to be embraced? hitler's problem was that the jews were largely cool with assimilating and he still wanted to gas them all.

>>5046660
I totally agree.

>>5045515
Then have lots of decision makers

>>5045507
No. There is no such thing as a win-win situation.

>>5045507
There should be 4 in the OP.
>Religious Elite
>Capital Elite (Monarchs-Oligarchs)
>Intelligentsia
>Everyone else

>>5046660
Hitler was focused more on race and nation , hence a chapter in Mein Kampf

>>5046784
Its based of the Estates of the French Revolution

>>5046794
>tfw rule by the intelligentsia has never been tried in humanity's lifetime
>tfw you weren't born in an Atlantean Utopia

>>5046514

Like Communism, Nationalism never ends well for the nationalists. It's not a bad desire by any means, just unrealistic.

Because there has been no nation on the face of the earth since the dawn of civilization that did not have outsiders emigrating by choice or by slavery. It's ALWAYS a win for the nation.

>>5046807
It's not about race or people as much as it's about preservation of the culture.

>>5046822
All cultures are in flux. A preserved culture only exists in a museum.

>>5046830
Right, I understand that, a completely stagnant and preserved culture would be bullshit. However, it seems that cultures still don't completely change from what they once were, they still have their roots in history and heritage of a nation.

Egoist union

>>5046850
The Ottoman Empire is a great example of what you're talking about. A culture that was constantly expanding and incorporating foreign people, yet remained fundamentally Ottoman at its core.

>>5045507
No, read Hume.

>>5047303
Why use the Ottomans as an example over the romans?

>>5047340
how about the chinese? through communism, through everything, you can still trace things back to Confucianism.

>>5046802
But wasn't the french and russian revolutions led by the intelligentsia?

>>5047340
Romans liked to absorb and romanise (hence the word) other cultures. Ottoman empire was properly multicultural.

>>5047409
then they decided to genocide the fuck outta some minorities

>>5047426
that was the turks when everything went to shit and they were in panic mode