/lit/ - Literature

>>5025870
>not getting it

>>5025875
I want to see what /lit/ thinks

>>5025884
There's no Godot and that's the point.

>inb4 god
>inb4 death
>inb4 anything

there's no Godot, that's what makes it so absurd

he even said it himself

>>5025892
>absurd

>>5025894
ehhh the name of this particular type of plays is called Théâtre de l'absurde in French and Waiting for Godot is one of its icons.

>>5025892
He said Godot definitely was NOT god, and he said the play in general is about symbiosis.

That's still a lot of room to work with.

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>>5025904
nig

thats what I just said

« Je ne sais pas plus sur cette pièce que celui qui arrive à la lire avec attention. [...] Je ne sais pas qui est Godot. Je ne sais même pas, surtout pas, s'il existe. [...] Quant à vouloir trouver à tout cela un sens plus large et plus élevé, à emporter après le spectacle, avec le programme et les esquimaux, je suis incapable d'en voir l'intérêt.. »

"I don't know anything more about this play than anyone reading it while paying attention [...] I don't know who is Godot. I don't even know, especially not, if he exists [...] As for trying to find a larger and higher meaning to this work to bring back with you after the show, with the program and the eskimos, I am incapable of seeing what would be interesting about it."

- Beckett

Godot is salvation, Godot is meaning, Godot is happiness. Godot is anything that anyone has ever spent their entire life waiting for.

That's why the play is so universal

>>5025919
see >>5025918
and kill yourself

God/Purpose. It's not exactly subtle.

Godot is the next thing. Godot is the next moment. We wait for the next moment, but really we are waiting to die.

It's good minimalist theater, because it can mean anything you want it to.

>>5025938
>>5025939
see >>5025918

>>5025923
Read the quote again.
And kill yourself.

>>5025940
>authorial intention
>relevant

>>5025942
He said the play was just a play he wrote because he was tired about his usual prose, and that there is no Godot, no higher meaning to Godot, nothing implied nor carried by the work, that it's just what it is, and nothing else. Kill yourself.

>>5025950
>no one responded to my post and I quoted the author and I'M A TRIPFAG, PAY ATTENTION TO ME!
Godot represents God or some semblance of meaning.

>>5025950
Oof. >>5025919 here. How embarrassing for you. I was saying the same thing as the Beckett quote. Try re-reading my post, perhaps?

also congrats on adding yourself to the tripfag shitlist

Everyone please kill yourselves.

>>5025950
>humans are always correct
>humans control the nature of the beasts they create

Fuck off and let us have fun imagining.

>>5025958
And how do you deal with the fact that the author disagrees with you? My use of a tripcode does not influence the fact that you are absolutely wrong, and that factual evidence that cannot be ignored was brought up, proving you wrong even more.

>>5025950
He said what he said in the quote to show that anybody could interpret the play on equal footing.
Fagnut.

>>5025963
See >>5025949

>>5025959
No. You don't get it. If Godot is, he's not a concept. Perhaps my translation of the French quote didn't render it, but Godot, in it, is implied to be a human being that might or might not exist, and nothing else. A man of flesh and bones, or nothing.

>All these people who have only seen/read it once, and think it only has one meaning

It's not called the most important play of the 19th century because of one pitiful interpretation. It's larger and more flexible than that.

>>5025965
Not at all. He said, if you can read, that attempting to interpret it is devoid of any interest.

>>5025963
Becket is dead, who gives a fuck what that corpse thought.

>>5025978
>Milton obviously was talking about Camel cigarettes with Paradise Lost -- he's dead! who cares!

>>5025971
>A man of flesh and bones, or nothing.
The next moment is either composed of the flesh and bones of all living things, or a fantasy imagined by the flesh that already exists.

>>5025971
If your translation for the quote is correct, Stoppard never says that Godot can't be interpreted as a concept; simply that Stoppard did not mean anything _specifically_ in the writing process. Now, what my original post was saying was that Godot is universal in his interpretation. The audience is free to associate Godot to anything they may so desire, which is what makes the play so universally resonant. So I believe it is you who does not understand the quote you provided in relation to my post, and I also believe you are far too eager to condescend for your own good. Has it occurred to you that you just might not necessarily be the smartest person in the room wherever you go?

We would be in happy agreement right now if you weren't looking for every possible excuse to prove everyone else wrong.

>>5025985
Dude, if that's what you want to take away from it, that's on you.

>>5025987
"The next moment" is a term, language. Men aren't. Stop with the language games already. The next moment can be composed of the destruction of mankind, and another moment afterwards will come, which will still be "a next moment".

>hurr hurr it can't be a next moment if no one's there to say it's a next moment
Shut the fuck up. "Next moment" is two words, nothing else, stop playing.

>>5025989
Except Godot clearly said that attempting to find interpretations to this work was something devoid of interest, which means that there really isn't any to be found, and that one is only projecting their own desires in it, nothing else, and that thus, it is not "real" literary interpretation; just a bunch of people wanting something to be in there when there isn't, instead of looking for something that is there.

>>5025993
Dude you are so far off what I'm arguing, I'm not even going to try correcting you.

You're right, it's a play about nothing.

Godot is the the end of the rainbow for pretentious literary elites. It's something that they'll always squabble and argue about but never come up with an answer because the purpose was to keep people questioning.

>>5025962
>let us have fun imagining.
Only post ITT outside of those mine which was actually clever and interesting. You very well might be right, I admit.

>>5026004
what the fuck are you

Other than "Hamlet", this is just about the only play /lit/'s ever read or seen.

It's a disgrace, really.

>>5025999
But I'm not finding an interpretation, nor does any other intelligent person. It's emotionally resonant in a way that transcends rigid literary interpretations. It goes past classical symbolism and allegory and touches the audience in a purer fashion, simply because Godot cannot be pegged down to a specific meaning. The reason the play has lasted this long, and the reason the play never fails to fill grown men with a horrible sense of melancholy and emptiness, is not because it means nothing, but because it means _everything_. And for you to cherrypick a Stoppard quote, wave it around on /lit/ and say "SEE? THE PLAY HAS NO MEANING WHATSOEVER" is a tremendous disservice to not only Stoppard, but also the millions of people who have been touched by his play. It has no specific meaning, it has no correct interpretation that is the case for classical literature. But this is what makes it so powerful.

>>5026012
Shut the fuck up, I'm not reading any of this.

>>5025962
>let us have fun imagining
Yeah, in fact, it's more than very well, how much you might be right; you're right, let's enjoy imagining, I was wrong; make Godot what you shall.

Godot is what we are doing right now

>>5026015
heh. It's okay, Tallis. Everyone is wrong sometimes :)

>>5026016
Would you say Beckett thought about this? Because that's clever.

Godot is memes.
The shit we argue about is what comes between.

>>5026015
>I was wrong; make Godot what you shall.
The point of the Beckett quote you wanted everyone to read so badly.

>>5026024
Beckett knew what the fuck he was doing when the fuck he was doing it.

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>>5026024
Read all these posts one by one and notice how insane this retarded trip is

>>5026037
>mfw beckett was IN this thread with us

>>5026037
Could you please suck more dicks, he never said that and this isn't the point, fuck what he said, fuck this faggot and first and foremost, fuck you bitchass cunt.

>>5026038
mh

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>>5026052
Kill yourself, you massive faggot.

>>5026060
I really fucking would beat you guys IRL I'm not even kidding I beat up people over argument on Nietzsche

>>5026045
Take Lucky's hat off and he'll stop thinking.

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>>5026052
I'm 18, and I know everything: I cannot possibly be an idiot nor fallible. I surely know what I am talking about, because I am 18.

>>5026062
>I really fucking would beat you guys IRL I'm not even kidding I beat up people over argument on Nietzsche
>I really fucking would beat you guys IRL
>I'm not even kidding
> I beat up people over argument on Nietzsche
>I beat up people
>over an argument

>>5026062

Honestly guys
I think Godot represents the idea of "the thing to do right now"

Sometimes we don't know what to do. As primitive humans with literally no possessions at all, what do we do?
We feed each other and we wait for a thing to do.

The advance of technology doesn't change the human condition.

>tfw you can't tell if tallis is kidding or not

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>>5026062
TOP ROFL. You're pathetic beyond belief. Godot represents a god (GODot, get it?) that doesn't exist, Vladamir and Estragon represent the mundane cycle of human existence.

>>5026072
He either really gets it, or REALLY REALLY does not.

Literature like this makes it worth being human.

>>5026083
ITT we agreed that Godot isn't anything in particular though and that it was up to everyone to decide what is Godot

>>5026083
What do pozzo and lucky represent?
WHAT DOES THE BOY REPRESENT? HMM?

>>5026062
this you?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/17/immanuel-kant-philosophical-argument-shot

anyway it's pretty funny how people let a trip and shitty attitude blind them to someone being just plain right

when you say "X symbolizes Y" you are making an assertion about authorial intent. you can project whatever you want over Godot and take away from the play whatever you wish, but if the author says "I don't know and I don't care," no amount of Death of the Author regurgitation makes you any less wrong when you contradict him.

>>5026087
It's unequivocally the latter; he is a mongoloid. his inchoate understanding of works is definitely the result of his incessant use -- more like a crutch -- of wikipedia.

thank you based tallis for making this thread great although you're a pathetic asshole everyone hates

>>5026072
He's not. One can sense his impotent rage coming through the computer screen too clearly.

>things must be symbolic

shiggy diggodot

>>5026091
Thanks. That's what I decided for myself. Sound plausible?

>>5026105
yup

>>5026092
This.
People talk endlessly about who Godot is, and who vladimir and estragon are.
People talk slightly less about who pozzo and lucky are supposed to be.

Nobody except fucking nobody ever throws a crack at that dumbass kid.
What is his significance?

>>5026116
>"approach, my child"

you have got to be kidding me.
Children are literally our future.

/mu/ here
I see you guys have met the tallis

>>5026116
The guy with the whip and the chicken wings represents the upperclass. His slave represents a slave. The boy represents a boy. Then some random shit that represents randomness.

>>5026140
Holy shit, this thing has a legacy?

>>5026140
so pretty much he makes a stupid post then pretends to be trolling when people tell him how stupid he is?

>>5026116
Pozzo clearly represents the bureaucracy. I'm torn between lucky being a scientist or a religious official of some kind.

Both are probably the same to a bureaucrat, though.

EVERY CHARACTER IS THE SAME PERSON
EVERY SECOND IS THE SAME SECOND

This is a play about somebody's friends trying to wake them up from a coma

>>5026174
what, on 4chan? i scarcely believe it!

>>5025974
>19th century

>>5025989
>Stoppard

>>5026214
>20th century
Sorry, I'm dumb and numbers confuse me.

Godot is just defined as "the one you wait for".

Those who say "God" may be limiting the (no-)character, but they enter into a theological discussion, afterall, there is no Godot in the play, but there is certainly a wait. Isn't it like that?

Those who say "meaning" may be, perhaps, exactly waiting to find meaning in the (no-)figure of Godot.

Those who say he is many things recognize we wait for many things.

Godot is the lacanian objet petit a by excellence. It's never there, but there is always the wait for it.

Focus on the wait!

>>5026355
Wisdom only the french could provide us.

>>5026062
Screencapped
You're never gonna forget this

when I read this I imagined Julian Barrett and Noel Fielding as the two characters form some reason

>>5025870
Unrelated, but did anybody else see this when Ian McKellen was playing one of the two main characters? Fucking brilliant.

>>5026140
>Mate, that shit is hovering
Fucking lost it. Holy shit. 10/10

>>5025870
Waiting for Godot isn't about Godot.
It's about the waiting.

>>5025870
the weed man

>>5025892
> he even said it himself
nobody cares about authors own words anymore, m8

he also said that endgame is about a boring dinner

>>5027316
Le auteur is le dead, did you not get le memo?

>>5025870

Godot is Elmo.

Did your parents beat you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksL_7WrhWOc

>>5027316

stop being a hipster retard. authorial intent is such a ridiculous concept.

that said, in a case like this where the author is known for humour it's more debatable since it's likely he wasn't being completely serious

>>5026083
>DieuDot
This wouldn't be apparent on le face of it to Frenchies seeing it for the first time. We all understand it was composed in French first, I hope?

>>5027387
>underrated post
Haven't seen this, thanks

>>5026140
[audible laughter]

>>5026355
True.

Though Beckett writes that he doesn't know who is Godot, we still can interpret it as God, as neither of us know who is God. The name Godot clearly represents God as the Christians know it, just remember all the allusions to Christ in the play.

>>5028078
Actually it's a common French name.

>>5028130
Good to know. Still, my ignorance of religious figures can't recall other gods, or objects to wait for, saying they will return, making us wait.

He was a slowpoke cyclist in the Tour de France. Go on, google it fagget.

>>5027994
>dieudot
wot

>>5029712
quenelle dans ton cul!!!!!!!!!!1!

>>5026231

>one of the best living playwrights and transliterators

>implying

foghat.

Godot is nothing and everything, the point is that we are waiting for him.

>>5029744
So, Tallis, what were the specifics of the Nietzsche argument that lead to you handing out an epic beat-down on some pleb?

>>5029789
>tallis
>handing out an epic beat-down
don't think so

>>5029789
>walk into bar
>night is young
>hear "Nietzsche really is the first existentialist, his thought is just like that of Sartre and Camus!"

>>5029795
He said so himself.

>>5029797
And you just laid him out cold right then and there. YOU ARE A BADASS, BRO!!!!!!1

>>5029800
>He said so himself.
>thinking some faggot frenchie can do that
how naive of you

>>5029797
I don't remember the guy,s name but I punched him that time, and the next time he said he would punch me, and I punched him instead, then another time he said again he woudl,so I told him alright go on, and thus I bowed towards him for him to punch me but well he didn't want to, he pussied out, so I punched him instead in front of his friends, and well he didn't do anything

looking forward to the next fight

>>5029797
epic, simply ebric

>>5029806
autist, go

>>5029811
oh wow I just remembered his name and I found him on facebook lel

>>5029797
I would punch someone over this. Who wouldn't?

>>5029812
stop sucking this fabulist's cock

>>5029815
You're power level is so high that you can only respond to yourself. Incredible.

>>5029820
no you wouldn't, cause you don't know enough of Nietzsche, Sartre, nor Camus to do anything about it, you dullard.

>>5029812
>>5029804
You would love to be able to do it.

>>5029822
Same for you, hence such replies.

>>5029828
wot

>>5029828
>Tallis
>>5026140

god, tripfags are truly the worst. Tallis is almost as bad as butterfly...

>>5026071
>The advance of technology doesn't change the human condition.

Bullshit, I've got so much anime in my backlog that I don't even have the time to watch it all.

Never a dull moment in my life.

>>5030089
Please, suggest some.

>>5030181
sure just gonna list some favs

planetes
legend of the galactic heroes
puella magi madoka magica
revolutionary girl utena
welcome to the nhk
tatami galaxy
serial experiments lain
haibane renmei
flcl
kaiji
evangelion
ghost in the shell
akira
steins;gate
uchouten kazoku
rose of versailles

>>5030062
"If by Godot I had meant God I would have said God, and not Godot" - Samuel Beckett

Tallis is Godot.

>>5030222
you're a fagg

>>5030227
Nice backpedaling, Beckett.

>>5030245
yeah how'd you know