/lit/ - Literature

>>5024819
No, we should use adverbs to modify our verbs, so we can neither take it extremely serious nor not take it so.

bump, because I am lurking for some great/epic near soucide text.
just... lurking. so far.

I once had an abusive ex-boyfriend (a known chronic liar) who threatened to kill himself in order to get my attention after explicitly severing contact and refusing to text him. I have no belief that it was my responsibility to get involved and send help (effectively acknowledging that I was still receiving contact and that he could manipulate me through these type of threats) or to respond to support him.

According to your argument, I should've responded in some way. How do you reconcile the idea that all threats should be taken seriously in light of my example?

>>5026981
Not OP, but I'll try to answer this.

Taking a threat of suicide seriously may not necessitate responding directly to said threat, though. It also might not imply believing the person making the threat will actually commit suicide.
In your case, you took the threat of suicide to be a sign of the severity of your ex-boyfriend's abusiveness and tendency to lie. In other words, you took it seriously by some metric, even if you didn't take it to be true.
Of course, OP may have meant "should be taken as likely to end in an actual suicide," in which case fuck that.

>>5025310
By text I'm assuming g you mean books.

Read Suicide by Edouard Leve. It's a story told in second person about a man's life and suicide and is meant to be semi autobiographical in nature. Not so after its publishing the author killed himself, essentially making the book a kind of public suicide.

>>5024819
To 'threaten' suicide immediately gives the sense that the individual is seeking attention. I've known about six different people in the last two years for whom suicide was (so they said) a serious thought or who attempted it.. All of these people had some kind of mental issue (depression, bipolar disorder, etc.) It's not a rational act and will not be done by someone with a clear mind except in extreme cases.

Any threat should begin with the idea of taking it seriously, but that should be tempered with known and suspected circumstances.

But what if suicide was made as part of philosofical belief? A rational suicide, in order to overcome our conservation instinct, to become a superior being.

>>5026981
Also not OP. My immediate reaction to your post was almost identical to >>5026083 but I also wonder how you're so certain his threats were solely an extension of what you say is his tendency to deceive and an effort to manipulate you? Are that sure that he wasn't actually feeling suicidal? Even assuming he is a "chronic liar," that doesn't mean that everything he says is a lie.

Having said that, I concede that your response (or lack thereof) may very well have been the best course of action (or inaction) even if his alleged suicidal thoughts were legitimate. Sounds like you were ready to move on and he wasn't, so any potential active response may just have given him false hope of a future that was not going to transpire. I am just curious if you ever wonder if his "threats" were real? Do you know what his situation is now at all?

>>5027007
Ha, I dun goofed. Almost identical to >>5026983

>>5026983

Judging seriousness by contemplation is probably a bad idea: I think actions speak louder than words.

I have no problem saying I didn't consider his threat to be a serious one. I also don't consider how I acted to be taking his threat seriously, since I very literally did nothing. I don't believe that if a serious and unserious response to a suicide threat are indistinguishable, that they are any different.

>>5027007
>>5027010

Two years of watching him lie and attempt to manipulate me left me in a position where I was fairly sure (admittedly not 100% sure) that he wasn't actually going to kill himself.

At any rate, I was right: his threats were fake. He continues to message me to this day, despite continual whack-a-mole blocking. He recently enrolled in a summer class I was taking, so I intend to file a restraining order soon.

>>5024819
>Any threat of suicide should be taken extremely serious.
I'm going to kill myself., just kidding.

But no really, I think about the eternal abyss of the void everyday and how comforting it will be to finally cease exist.
Just kidding, I'm happy as a clam.

A suicidal clam.

This is a medical opinion.

>>5027102

The answer's an obvious yes sans sophistry, but; it's the edge cases like the person in >>5027068
that are interesting.

A few better questions:

>Define 'serious'
>How does pain or individual autonomy factor into this?
>How serious is enough, and how do we know?
>Should our response be uniformly serious regardless of our opinions of the suicidal person or his motives?

>>5027124
You're not a medical doctor, so I guess you didn't get the point.

>>5027129

So what was the point? Care to enlighten?

>>5027136
No, I'll bring it down to your level.

Pretending to come up with answers to anything is not philosophy.

>>5027142

Condescending aside, I sincerely have no idea what you're trying to say.

Can you explain how your statement in your post relates to being a medical doctor? I fail to see the connection.

>>5027153
I know you feel entitled to be taught all the knowledge of the world, but you are mistaken.

You have limitations.

>>5027162

4/10

You exhausted benefit of the doubt before putting out anything likely to frustrate. Aim for stronger faux sincerity; you can't just repeatedly swap out the hook, stick to your bait's guns.

>>5027175
At least you tried to pretend you won.

>>5027096
Passive-aggressive as fuck

>>5027184
I don't think it's possible to be aggressive on the internet without sounding like an ape. I mean really do you want me to tell you that I hate your guts and that I wish you would die? I don't feel that strongly really, I feel mildly subversive, maybe like making fun things. Like say being suicidal in a thread that says it's a very serious thing. No it isn't. Nothing is serious if you really want to be honest.

Haven't you ever heard the story about that kid who was going to kill himself because his parents were always fighting? He jumped off their building and was shot going past their window, only to have is disemboweled corpse get caught by a life saving net.

I don't know about you, but to me that's pretty Goddamned funny. You might do yourself a favor and laugh once in a while, life isn't so serious all the time you know, even the sad parts can be kinda funny.

This thread makes me want to kill myself.

>>5027202
>the philosophy of fear

well done

>>5027220
Ask a philosopher, not a doctor, what you should do next.