/lit/ - Literature

Stfu, .jr

>>4992356
you mad?

>realize lenny bruce was not only much more poignant but much more sincere than all the beat poets

>

>>4992351
Read The Howl on a school class because it was revolutionary or some shit.

The message was telling of its time.
The poem itself? It was shit and left an entire generation lost from a poignant voice because MUH TORTITOS SOUL SUCH ARRIS.

>>4992351
You couldn't be more wrong to be honest.
Kerouac IS the American dream. The very fire that burns within EVERY american was ignited by Kerouac. Your parents, and every generation since and beyond are indebted to Kerouac; they now know a need to search, to look beyond.

Burroughs, on the other hand, practically INVENTED modern art. You think Pynchon is a God? DFW? Hacks, all riding the cultural TIDAL WAVE that is still surging since Burroughs let off the bomb that is Naked Lunch.
Learn to cut-up, pleb.

And as for Ginsberg? I will simply state the he is the best poet since Blake. I'm actually, and I don't expect you to agree with me here, firmly convinced that he IS Blake in some form or another.
Read about his 'Blake Vision' for further insight.

Grow up op.
And as for everyone reading, start with the Beats.

>>4992398

>>4992351
Weird, I was just going to post something like this. I tried reading The Subterraneans earlier today, and I just couldn't get used to the "lucid style" of it. Could anyone give some tips on how to acclimate to the style?

>>4992481
>Could anyone give some tips on how to acclimate to the style?
Very simple my good man, put a loaded gun and cocked gun into your mouth, and pull the trigger! PRESTO! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

>gathered around to act like children, indulge like hedonistic slaves, and laugh at saying cock and balls really loud into a microphone
They sound likeable when you put it that way

>>4992485
excuse me princess

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/08/the-great-sex-letter.html

The only thing I've ever read by a member of the Beat Generation. Made me feel completely vindicated in never having read any of their stuff. I also read some stuff about William Burroughs on Wikipedia after I found out that he was involved in the Tom Waits opera/album/whatever The Black Rider (which I really enjoyed). That's when I found out that the man was a morphine-addicted drug dealer who fled justice in Mexico and only returned to the United States after accidentally(?) shooting and killing his wife while drunkenly performing a William Tell gag.

What a bunch of fucking degenerates.

>>4992543
>What a bunch of fucking degenerates.
Yea but they are heros to a sizable portion of /lit/,

/lit/ is full of anti-responsibilityist degenerates.

>being an adult
>not realizing that all of art, literature, philosophy and music exist solely for the sake of getting laid

Are you guys just retarded or something?

Beat art is good art because it got them laid.

>>4992611
freud pls go

i like funny tho, i dont think they took themselves as seriously as most people think

>>4992625
That's more of a Darwinian perspective

I felt the same way about On The Road.

Maybe you should check out Dharma Bums.

>>4993028
Dharma Bums is Kerouac in top form. There's still those obnoxious "we're so cool massive parties #yolo", but they serve a much greater purpose when contrasted those intense moments of soul-searching and mountain climbing and meditating innawoods. Dharma Bums really is what Kerouac was trying to write with On The Road but had no concept of Buddhism yet, so all he could do was try to turn #swag into soul-searching, which was utterly retarded.

>>4992351
Absolutely love your description of the end of OTR.

>>4992351
Yeah, On the Road was dope though.

The rest was utter trash.
Burroughs was a useless cunt
Ginsburg should have been publicly beaten, burned, and hanged.
Why couldn't have that faggot gotten AIDS and not Freddie Mercury?

The opening line from Ginsberg's Howl really put in perspective the beat poets to me ''I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry
fix''

>>4993090
>beat generation
>anything but shitty minds

lol

I really like Burroughs actually. I honestly think his brilliant.

Kerouac is a middle ground, I like some of his stuff, others not so much.

Ginsberg is god-awful though.

>>4993098
>his
he's*

>>4992485
>a loaded gun and cocked gun
is this some kind of fucking joke

>>4992398
muh apple pie

>>4992398
is pasta?

I actually like The Beats quite a good deal, the only thing is, I don't think of them as these great, revolutionary, mind-blowing poets. Even their best poets were average, and honestly, the musical children of the Beats (Dylan, Waits, Smith) were all much more interesting than the average nik' themself.

They're writers you leave on the coffee table.

>>4993125
>the musical children of the Beats (Dylan, Waits, Smith) were all much more interesting than the average nik' themself

I agree wholeheartedly, though I disagree with the coffee table part.

Honestly, what is the problem with admiring art for its bohemian lifestyle, or with the Beats being degenerates? Isn't the point of art to have an influence in people's lives? Beat literature actually incited people to change their lives, and still does. In that sense it is much more important than more conventional "muh canon" works.

>>4992351

I CONCUR; I ALSO WENT THROUGH A PHASE OF JUVENILE INFATUATION WITH THE "BEAT" MOVEMENT, BUT THE "BEATNIKS", AND THE "BEATS" WERE NOT EQUIVALENT; THE "BEATNIKS" WERE POSERS; ID EST: THE SOCIAL TREND DERIVED FROM THE "BEAT" MOVEMENT.

>>4992351
Kerouac was a hack, as were most beats, but I'll defend Ginsberg and Burroughs.

>>4993151
I CONCUR WITH THIS CONCURRENCE.

>>4992611
Fuck you some of us have higher goals in life than getting our dicks wet filthy fucking pleb you disgust me

asexual master race

>>4994259
Enjoy lacking any essential drive to succeed.