/lit/ - Literature

I am eating

Because I'm feeling suicidal.

>>4964997
Shouldn't you be writing the shit out of you so people read it and feel guilty when you're gone? I think every suicidal person have something to say.

>writing

because there has been nothing worth writing since the French Revolution

>>4965006
Maybe, one day, some /lit/ard will change that. But we will never be aware.

Every wrting thread comes up with some interesting persons and ideas. It's safe to think someone will make it to at least Tao tier, some years ago I used to root for Deep&Edgy too.

>>4965004
I thought about writing a manifesto + beautiful suicide poem.

I mused about what form I should write in. A sonnet wouldn't be appropriate, neither a haiku. Blank verse is an option, probably the most appropriate.

I think the manifesto would be about my refusal to "participate" in this demented world.

Whatever...

It would all be much better if I had some loyal unconditional love from a beautiful woman, but that doesn't really happen in real life.

reading

>>4965022
Kudos on the free verse. A "one man manifesto" can be easily overlook if you're looking to transcend the life you despise.

>>4965028
This man gets it.

>>4965040
>free verse
blank verse.

There is a difference nimrod.

>>4965066
You're right. I apologize.

>>4964989
Do you think the world really needs more words Roberto?

>>4965077
I think there are people with something to say, and I'd like to listen (or read) to the outstanding ones.

>>4965066
Why do you think that blank verse is appropriate? What about it makes you think it's the best choice?

"Estoy mucho más feliz leyendo que escribiendo."

>>4964989
Because I am still wondering why /u/ has a better writing getting-started guide thing than /lit/.

>>4964989
My method is to let it wash ashore.
Not the best of methods I'm sure.

>>4964989
I can't put it into words.

>>4965146
Think harder.

>>4965236
that's the exact opposite of what you should do.

>>4964989
I don't write because nothing perfect can exist. What I mean is, I wish that in order to write good things, one must simply have an emotion or an idea, then press himself upon the papers, and his idea will be perfectly presented. However, in order to convey ideas well, one must be educated, and to be educated, one must have had a teacher. When the clarity of my emotion/idea is misrepresented on the paper as a direct result of the incompetence of my teacher/the lack of a physical presence of a school/things that occur randomly, to me, the entire system is fucked. So I do not write.

>>4965239
That's like your opinion, man. If he can't put it on words, most likely he doesn't know what to say yet.

>>4964989

Because I have nothing to say which has not already been said.

>>4965251
What about your life?

>>4965256

My life is like millions of other lives, no different or no more interesting. I know it's a fad of modern literature to write life stories, but I and many others who enjoy literature find this utterly droll.

>>4965260
I get you, but I'm pretty sure you have one amazing anecdote lying around your past years. I don't mean to write that, but to think about it and then write it down like it was a rumor people had over exagerated with time. Like you punched a guy, what would happen if you had killed him instead?

>>4965260
Same. I want to write about someone very interesting. Someone who gets people interested and interesting again.

[Sometimes I write a post out and decide to delete it. Had strong thoughts of deleting this one]

>>4965277

Heh, your proposition of writing about what would happen if I killed a man immediately made me think of "The Stranger." I have this pervasive sense that if I ever did write anything that hadn't been said, or at least a clever amalgamation of existing things, that it wouldn't be based on anything that I know well. Or for that matter, anything that remotely happened to me. It would be completely 100% fabricated.

>>4965313
I think literature should accomplish things only literature can. If it can be made into a movie or a video game I would agree with you. If you write novel in which you discover a part of the human condition, doesn't mater how small of a part it is, then you succeeded. A part of this is the fact that no one knows or feels things the same as another human being, so I don't get the obssesion about telling something new (because nothing can be 100% original, you're not Adam, heck even Homer catered to his tradition). I do think it's a healty view of literature (as you identify more as a reader), but maybe it means your talent may cater onto another art form, not words. Read Kundera's essay called The Novel, maybe.

>>4965006

>>4965313
Also, if you're ever goint to beat Camus, you should beat your local competition first. Also remember what Chejov said: if you want to be universally known, write about your hometown.

>>4965251
So? I don't understand why people are so hung up on this kind of bullshit.

If you don't want to don't, if you do, fuck it, who gives a shit?

>>4965408
Maybe he thinks great authors stepped onto those truths and emotions by luck, instead of reading, living and writing the shit out of themselves in order to achieve their god tier level.

>>4964989
I just have no fucking ideas anymore. I know I can write, but I can't craft story to save my fucking life. I never have any fucking idea what should happen plot-wise anymore.

I have nothing worth saying. I have no stories to tell.

I don't know how to develop interesting characters, nor create compelling worlds for them to inhabit.

>>4965420

I definitely do not think that. However, the human condition has always seemed like a mystery to me; it seems one way in the real world, and completely different in books. In novels it seems like people are capable of deep insights, with personalities and quirks simply inserted for the reader's delight. In the real world most people are beasts, driven by greed, beaten down by apathy, selfishness, and anger. There are plenty of books that write about the latter. Writing about the former seems entertaining but without real purpose. Maybe it's why so many people don't read in the first place.

because i have severe writer's cramp: i have substance, but no way to express it. these dry spells come every few months, and all i can do while i wait to regain the gift of prose is to review my thoughts and create something of base structure upon which to build once i can express myself again.

>>4965022
you're keking all over me

>>4965091
To be or not to be, that is the question
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The Slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or take up arms against a sea of troubles...

>>4965290
>Sometimes I write a post out and decide to delete it. Had strong thoughts of deleting this one

that's actually a pretty interesting, self-aware observation; I do that a lot too

Your post on it's own was pretty unnecessary admittedly, but your meta-post was pretty solid

>>4965022
Sure it happens. The tragedy is that you never know you have it until you don't anymore. And that's not just some cliched bullshit platitude, it's the truth.
But kill yourself anyway because you can't come to terms with the fact that life will never be perfect. And don't write about it, it'd obviously be boring as shit.

>>4965102
link

>>4965567
Uh, probably going to get formatting wrong, but...
>>/u/1504284

>>4965563
Stop being so confident in your ignorance, you don't know what the hell you're talking about, kid.

>>4964989
Because I write for a very short period of time, but usually in about three days without much eating, too much coffee, way too many cigarettes, too much booze, and just enough cannabis. After about 20,000-40,000 words I spend a month destroying it and finding more inspiration. Do it all over again and in about four or five months I have a novel. I take that novel, I burn it, and I start a new one.

>>4964989
Because I'm not done with my timeline and character maps. There is still plenty of blank space left on my walls and that's (mostly) just the first character. Maybe I'll actually write the book. One day.

>>4965022
Stop being a little christ fag and get over this idea the world should be fair

>>4964989
I just started writing my first story. I was bored in my summer Macroeconomics class and halfway through I had the suddeen urge to start writing. I had an idea that was very vague running in my head so I just started writing whatever sounded good. I only have 4 pages written in a notebook but I really like what I have so far, even though it's total shit. The main character's name is Brock Heidigger and the whole story is written in the present tense and none of the characters besides Brock are identified by their actual name. Writing's goddamn fun.

because I'm reading and drinking wine

>>4965561
The first part was aimed specifically at that anon. The second part second guesses whether anyone will give a shit or not. Sure enough.
If I were ever to write this book, no one on /lit/ will care. All they want is "depressive"

..... Well I'm not writing because I write shit and I never finish anything

>>4965875
You'd be surprised how many young men are reading Homer and are hungry for glory.

>>4965918
Funny, considering the Iliad fluctuates between tragedy and satire of tîmê (which Odysseus, Achilles, Hector and Agamemnon each disregards in favor of his own skin at some point).

>>4965967
You're right. However, I've talked to many youngsters at high school and even elementary level about the Iliad and most of them agree that Diomedes is their favourite hero, mostly because of his powerful speeches and that passage when he fights Apollo. The vibe they get from the poem is that the concept of glory can be extrapolated to their life and they like it. Reading the Iliad for the fights is better than reading no Iliad at all, right? Of course this is anecdotal evidence as I haven't teached in all the elementary schools in the world.

Because it's late and certain people won't be happy if I use the piano and it's incredibly easier to write once I have the melody down.
Alternatively: Because I'm a lazy shit without an excuse. The best thing I can come up with is no good ideas.

>>4965967
>Satire of time

I'm wondering what you mean by that. I've never heard that interpretation before.

>>4966260
Firstly, it's hard for modern audiences to tell, but when Agamemnon tries to "test" his men by telling them to go home, it's reverse psychology, and supposed to be fucking funny when they're like, "Hell yeah, fuck this!"

Agamemnon says in earnest later to flee after this. After that, he actually tries to desert his army in the night, but Odysseus stops him.

Diomedes calls Odysseus for help, but Odysseus runs away, pretending he can't hear.

Hector runs from Achilles three times around Troy.

Achilles overtly rejects social tîmê altogether (which was the original source of his anger), finding a new one based on being alive. He only fights again out of anger.

All of these displays would be considered extremely cowardly, especially coming from Agamemnon the king of men; all would immensely and negatively impact tîmê.These men are epic warriors, legends. The incongruity is deliberate. Imagine a hundred years from now, someone writing a "glorious" poem showing Audie Murphy pretending not to hear a solider crying for help as he runs away, or Chesty Puller trying to desert his men in the night.

Because I can't stand the sort of shit that results from my efforts in writing. I'm too selfconscious not to think it corny.

>>4966260
Tîmê means honor, not time.

>>4966336
what's the textual support for it being a satire of timê and not just an ignoring or different conception of it?

>>4966370
What do you mean "a different conception of it"? I specifically used the word "tîmê" instead of "honor" to indicate that I was using their conception, not ours.

Are you asking what is my basis for believing that cowardice was considered dishonorable in that culture?

>>4965004

>novel length suicide notes

>>4965006

>Communist Manifesto
>histories of the civil war
>histories of ww1&2
>mein handy kampf

>>4965004
>I think every suicidal person have something to say.

You're dead wrong.

>>4966636

No, they are.

Because I don't know how to format a manuscript for submission and I don't want to write if I'll have to reformat it afterwards. I want to know, while I'm writing it, exactly how it will look to the editor.