/lit/ - Literature

Mein Kampf - a salute to Nietzsche

>>4942078
valerie SCUM manifesto is my fav

and the suicide philosopher guy if you're a masochist

>>4942078

Or in general any books/manifestos written by crazy people if /lit/ doesn't want to talk about Elliot Rodgers. Also why can't these guys write good? That manifesto was terrible

>>4942082

I'll look that up, what was the basic plot or point of it?

>>4942088
How about you read for yourself and not be a faggot

>>4942078
The Unabomers manifesto is intellectually sound in some places.

>>4942084
>Also why can't these guys write good?

>write good?
>write
>good


Elliot Rodgers was some self-entitled brat who couldn't get girls because he was socially awkward with a gender prejudice.
Do you honestly think someone who is still a kissless virgin at 22 would be a good writer?

/lit/ has been swamped with threads about Elliot so no need to bring us up to date on his manifesto.

As for manifestos/books by similar fuckwits, "My Twisted Life" is a product of the digital age, when any narcissistic asshole can self-publish, and there aren't many more examples of autobiographies written by serial murderers unless you count obvious examples like Mein Kampf. There will be many more to come, though.

>>4942082
the SCUM manifesto isn't entirely serious. A careful reading of it will discover that it alludes to several thinkers, including Freud and Aristotle, only turning their misogyny around.

>>4942101
>Do you honestly think someone who is still a kissless virgin at 22 would be a good writer?
explain

dorner, breivik, unabomber

PKD didn't kill anyone but he was schizophrenic and it had a massive influence on his work.

>>4942119
it implies he's done nothing with his life
he probably sat around in seclusion all day moping about how he never got any action

now i could understand if you are a virgin at 22, but not even having one kiss? even the ugliest of saps can find someone to kiss on with ease

and the worst thing is the kid isnt even bad looking, he actually has some nice looking features

basically hes done fuck all with his life, it shows hes never really socialized with others

what could he possibly write beyond deluded ramblings about fairness?

>>4942078

I'm not wading through 170 pages of bullshit just because some half caste shot a few people.

God just looking at his smug, insufferable face makes me wish he could be resurrected so I could kill him again.

>>4942078
>more people will read 'my twisted life' than your work

>>4942131
It's not schizophrenia if they are actual visions of the future

>>4942078
What about I, Pierre Rivière?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm

>>4942132

Writing is a solitary pursuit that involves spending hours on end by yourself, and is ultimately the end result of intense introspection and free-time for thinking.

Why the fuck WOULDN'T a friendless, kissless virgin get good at it? It's, like, the only hobby that genuinely fits that personality type.

Is Breivik's manifesto any good? Rodger's is a bunch of self-loathing, self-entitled, autistic dribble.

Anyone got an archive of his videos so I can laugh at his autism? I only managed to find his last video and the one where he mopes about how living in L.A, being the son of a director and owning a BMW sucks.

>>4942279
*sitting in his car staring at a couple making out whilst moaning about how living in L.A...

My original description would match all of his videos.

>>4942279
>Is Breivik's manifesto any good?
It depends on what you want from it. The 'political' parts are copypasted from bloggers, mostly. There are DIY-ish sections about how to buy fertilizer for bombs, how to make body armor, how to make poison bullets, how to get /fit/ using anabolics, etc. It's an interesting product of our times, I wonder whether anyone has analyzed how much the writing of this manifesto depends on the internet. Would be interesting to compare it to text like the unabomber manifesto or the turner diaries in this regard.

>>4942221
So what can such a person write about? His daily jerking off sessions and how hard his life is?

>>4942221

Studying mathematics also fits that personality type

n-not that I would know

>>4942078
It's fiction, but the Jim Thompson novels The Killer Inside Me and Pop. 1280 have some of the same features (less crying and throwing of orange juice though).

Unibomber was an mk ultra psy op. Look it up

>>4942292

I know this might come as a shock, but some people have imaginations. As in, maybe the kissless virgin has never been in space on a massive planet-sized vessel, but he can still imagine such a scenario and write about it.

If you're talking strictly non-fiction, then there are plenty of intellectual topics one can write about that don't require them having to have been out in the real world. Political philosophy, for example.

>>4942311
All of it would be somehow related to humans, how is this guy even supposed to write most basic dialogue if he couldn't score all his life? What kind of political ideas somebody with no human relationships could have outside of "ban sex"? He pretty much had the mind of an angry kid.

>>4942315

Dialogue doesn't require social interaction. It just requires observation and being well-read. Same with political philosophy. In fact, I'd argue that loners would have MORE to say on the topic of politics, since they actually, you know, read about that kind of stuff, unlike frat guy who just got parties, get super drunk, and bang chicks.

Also, for the love of God, stop with the fucking looking down on virgins. You're on an anime imageboard. Unsurprisingly, a lot of us are virgins. I'm happy that you are an attractive and socially competent person who has never had to worry about being able to get laid, but some of us haven't had the same benefits as you. It doesn't mean we're wastes of space who have nothing to contribute to the world, it just means that we are suave, good-looking studs, you stupid fuck.

>>4942321

*aren't suave, good-looking studs

>>4942132
>now i could understand if you are a virgin at 22, but not even having one kiss?

>>4942321
This guy wasn't interested in politics though, so the case in point is against you. He didn't really observe people either, past what it took to envy them. If he was capable of actually observing them he might have learned how not to be an angry virgin.
You're speaking for all loners whereas the guy you're arguing with is talking about Elliot, so there's an obvious case of crossed signals here.

That second paragraph of yours reeks of angst. There isn't some magical dividing line between virgins and non-virgins in the way you describe it (ugly and socially inept vs attractive, suave and not having to worry about getting laid), there are all sorts of degrees in between. Sometimes it's just chance. You're romanticising.

>>4942321
>we aren't suave, good-looking studs, you stupid fuck

lol M8 I managed to get laid at 15 as a shy introvert with severe acne and a massive wafro.

>>4942327

No, you're being too specific. If he didn't want me to respond in a general manner, then he shouldn't have made generalizing statements like, "Do you honestly think someone who is still a kissless virgin at 22 would be a good writer?" or "now i could understand if you are a virgin at 22, but not even having one kiss? even the ugliest of saps can find someone to kiss on with ease".

The second he said shit like that, he stopped insulting Rodger specifically, and instead moved on to all virgins and all loners. Given that I'm a virgin loner, I felt the need to defend myself.

>>4942329
Are you the pied piper?

>>4942329

You weren't a shy introvert. You just think you were because you're a normal, average person, and all normal, average people think they're shy, when, in actuality, they probably aren't.

>>4942315
The problem is not being a virgin or anything. It's because he has a shit attitude.
Even with all the money his father's made in fucking Hollywood (although he did complain about it) he couldn't get anything right. He even hates his little brother because the little guy just got an actor contract while he never could get it.
There used to be a guy in my college who's exactly like him. Damn, he even physically looks like him. Guess what? Girls are repulsed by his face because of this shitty attitude and also because he's dumb as shit. "Baaaw, why do girls like trash when there's a genius such as me/Baaaaw, the professors gave me a shitty grade because they don't get me"

And virginity isn't generally the biggest issue. The issue here is that he is envious of everyone and everything that has done better than him. He still killed far more men than women (although that's probably because he couldn't predict it) so it's not only a "muh misogyny" issue. He's a VERY jealous spoiled piece of shit who thinks the world belongs to him. It's simply because people usually make fun of virgins and also overestimate girlfriends (while I do understand that having a girlfriend may be awesome for some, I have to admit it's not my thing; I'd rather stay alone for the moment). That guy was exposed to too much of this bullshit and that's probably the only thing he couldn't get in his life with social success: a girlfriend.

>>4942330
Stop romanticising yourself as "the other" you prat. Virgin loners aren't a community. That sort of thinking is what made Elliot.

>>4942321
>It just requires observation
Fair enough, though if somebody has the skill to analyze human interaction, and shows interest doing it, how could this person turn so anti social in the first place? Why would he/she utterly shut down from humanity?

Being well read would obviously help, but eh, probably boils down to same problem. Somebody with such minimal social competence, most likely lacks other skills needed too. Just look at the delusion, entitlement, extreme levels of narcissism, etc etc of this guy.

Obviously not every loner is even close as fucked up as Elliot, but generally speaking, I'd say, being totally socially retarded and completely shutting down every human contact AND experiences in life, is a huge disadvantage for a writer. Do you have any examples of people writing decent stuff while basically living their whole life in one room?

> frat guy who just got parties, get super drunk, and bang chicks.
Is hardly the typical writer either. Obviously it's something that needs some alone time besides all the banging and drinking.

I didn't meant to look down on virgins, sorry if it seemed that way. The "failed to score" comment was less about his virginity and more about the utter failure of doing the only fucking thing he wanted in his life, and that as an not utterly ugly guy with daddys money out of the ass. It's almost an achievement.

>>4942335
Yes, pretty much. Was my fault for going "full simplicity"

>>4942337

Virgin loners are a community. In the same way as Bohemians or Hipsters, we are a group of people with similar characteristics living on the fringes of society. One guy going crazy and being a dick shouldn't mean that the rest of us be regarded as lower-than-dirt scumbags who have nothing to contribute to society, like the guy that I responded to suggested.

>>4942346
Dear god you're an idiot.

>>4942113
>being this retarded
>defending your feminist idols this much

it would do the world a favor if you killed yourself

>>4942337
>virgin loners aren't a community

Go to wizarchan and look at the rules and the /b/ board

>>4942359

Name one way that I'm an idiot, you liberal feminist stupid alpha male fucktard cunt.

>>4942340

I don't know, I'm fairly socially isolated, and I've had a lot of people compliment my writing ability, both on the internet and in real life, with one girl going as far as to say that I have a "talent" (and I know she meant it, because she obviously didn't like anything else about me). I don't think it's impossible to be a loner and a decent writer.

Emily Dickinson was also a complete hermit, iirc.

>>4942362
That's a community OF virgin loners. What about social virgins? Are they a community? How about non-virgin loners? "Virgin loner" is just a description. In what way can loners be a community? That's paradoxical in itself. Stop hanging around with people like that any maybe you'll improve. The level of denial some of you have is astonishing.

>>4942363
For one, you're not self aware enough to see your own idiocy.

>>4942145
>>4942078

yeah his manifesto will piss you off for sure. I find myself shouting "FUCK!" reading it. He chronicles how the police came to his house because he released concerning and suspicious youtube vids;. how if they searched the house he would have been fucked.. in it he outlines his elaborate plan for his killing spree, ending it with xanax, vicodin, hard liquor and bullets to the head because he did not want to face the consequences. He ultimately failed in completing "Day of Retribution" as he intended and carefully planned which puts into suspect his claims of being superior, perfect, and confident in his ability to execute his plan. It is really laughable, pathetic and demented.Read this:
"During the last few weeks of my life, I continued my daily adventures around town, trying to experience as much of the world as I could before I die. Upon doing this, I realized that the only world I can possibly ever experience is a twisted world of constant suffering. No matter where I go, I have to face all of the same injustices. Young couples are everywhere! They constantly remind me of what I have lacked all my life. I cannot go out of my room without seeing a young couple that would make me feel envious and enraged.
How dare those girls give their love and sex to those other men and not me,
I constantly think when I see young couples. "
http://www.scribd.com/doc/225936731/Untitled

>>4942372

So typical. It's not enough that you mock, shun, ridicule, and make virgins and loners feel like shit in the outside world, but now you've got go to our realm, our sanctuary, our last bastion of sanity and self-esteem, and insult us and make us feel like shit here too.

Are you a sadist?

>>4942113
>careful reading

You mean Wikipedia?

>>4942315

>>4942377
>m--m-muh martyrdom
Yous trollin.

>>4942378
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>>4942377
I'm doing this for you, anon.

Just b urself

>>4942369
>fairly socially isolated
>people compliment my writing ability in real life
Sorry, you didn't pass the hermit test and neither did Emily Dickinson. Even Internet friendships and all that is a big step from true isolation. She had correspondence with other writers, so it's something. Sure, one wouldn't experience human interaction fully but it's a far cry regardless.

If we go back to Elliot, the guy had trouble to form any connections with like, anybody around him later in life. The guy could hardly get along with people on WoW. Then again, he had many other problems that lead to it, so he is shitty example for the usual shy, introverted or socially retarded guy/gal.

>>4942400
>Just b urself

http://theconversation.com/the-case-for-ned-kellys-jerilderie-letter-25898

>With its end-of-the-world exuberance and its instinctive sympathies for the persecuted and the underdog, Kelly’s 56-page testament seems to me, at least, to anticipate not so much James Joyce, but one of the great modern poems of the 20th century: Allen Ginsberg’s Howl (1956).

my favourite line

>... a parcel of big ugly fat-necked wombat headed big bellied magpie legged narrow hipped splaw-footed sons of Irish Bailiffs or english landlords

>>4942377
>but now you've got go to our realm, blah blah blah
Feel free to cry about it in a hugbox.

>>4942279
I remember reading it when it came out and being shocked by how casual/down to earth it was. entirely unlike ER, he was just another dude online who had some weird fucking ideas, turning extremist + delusional over time.

its like don quixote, you wouldn't guess he's mad untill he starts talking about chivalry - but of course hes completely fucking crazy

>>4942105
>Adolf Hitler
>Serial killer

He never killed anyone with his own hands (apart from probably WWI which is a different situation). Calling him a serial killer distorts his psychological profile. I doubt Hitler was able of personally killing someone with his own hands or that he actively pursue the killing of particular humans being, the massacres caused by Hitlers dont respond to a personal desire to inflict pain but by an exacerbated paranoid survival drive.

He did kill his family, but it was an extreme situation.

>>4942400
>be yourself
>be a disgusting human being

"being yourself" works if you are a 16 yo girl with an active social life but who happens to have a minor insecurity regarding herself.

You cant tell men from the underground to be themselves.

>>4942376
10/10 like "notes from the underground" with internet and iphones

would spend 3 years adapting it into a decent psychological novel

>>4942221
OK, I haven't actually studied this, but I would bet most good writers have lived at least reasonably rich and interesting lives.

>>4942132
>now i could understand if you are a virgin at 22, but not even having one kiss?
Heeeeey, I was a kissless virgin at 22. Really weird thing is I wasn't even weird, lonely or crazy either- I was pretty normal and socially competent, I just happened to be a virgin. Then I got gud.

>>4942329
>not knowing that the whitefro is the most potent aphrodisiac known to man or woman

>>4942701
>the underground

>>4942405
>Ned Kelly
>about to be executed
>asked if any final thoughts on the matter
>'Such is life.'
>tfw you will never be as outlaw as Kelly

>>4942746
"I give fair warning to all those who has reason to fear me to sell out and give £10 out of every hundred towards the widow and orphan fund and do not attempt to reside in Victoria but as short a time as possible after reading this notice, neglect this and abide by the consequences, which shall be worse than the rust in the wheat in Victoria or the druth of a dry season to the grasshoppers in New South Wales I do not wish to give the order full force without giving timely warning, but I am a widows son outlawed and my orders must be obeyed."

...he was pretty good at endings.

are there any other books like his? i don't read books at all but he's was really interesting

>>4942759
That ghetto rigged armour too.

>>4942746
>"so it goes"

damn

>>4942761
yeah there's loads of void, narcissistic ramblings by underprivileged white kids about non-existent problems

try tumblr, perhaps?

>>4942766
>not recommending /r9k/

I find it eerie that someone can be completely devoid of a sense of humour.

You're practically ordained as Kapellmeister Edgelord if all you can manage is fake laughter at how you're going to destroy the world.

Marinetti wrote a fun manifesto promoting, then went to war and probably killed some people.

>>4942405
>>4942746
>>4942759
He leaves all other outlaws in the dust.

>Ned Kelly was found guilty and was sentenced. The judge, Sir Redmond Barry, a prosperous free immigrant, represented the total opposite to Ned Kelly’s impoverished background and community. “Edward Kelly,”, he intoned, “I hereby sentence you to death by hanging. May the Lord have mercy on your soul.” Ned Kelly replied in a clear, level voice: “Yes, I will meet you there.” Ned Kelly was hanged at the Melbourne Gaol on 11 November 1880. Redmond Barry died a fortnight later of a lung congestion.

>>4942804
His mother's last words to him before his execution, after his sentencing:
>Mind you die like a Kelly.
Son I am not disappoint.

>>4942321
>tfw unattractive
>tfw socially incompetent
>tfw read mangus, comics, fumetti and bd all day
>tfw have a gf who's qt and likes comics as well

My absolute favorite part of "My Twisted Life" was the five pages or so that he wrote about trying to visualise himself winning the lottery. The orange juice water pistol probably comes a close second.

>>4942372

>Jus b urself bro :)))

After that post I walked outside and fucked a woman walking past. Thank you anonymous /lit/-poster, you've turned by life around.

>>4942843
Can i het a TL;DR on Elliot.
I didn't watch the news and never paid attention to the threads.
I just heard recently about the shooting.
what's the deal with elliot and 4chan?

>>4942850
>whats the deal with an angsty virgin going on a shooting spree and 4chan

really?

"HEY GAY BAR, WHATS THE DEAL WITH POPPERS?"

>>4942850

To understand it, read-

http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto

You can safely skip everything in there up until he turns 20. Then it turns into one of the funniest pieces of outsider art you will ever read. The word Betamax does not even begin to describe him and his hilarious adventures.

>>4942856
sry man i really didn't pay any attention to the threads about him

>>4942857
thanks.

If I were to kill a hundred people and write a manifesto I would write a pseudofinnegans wake surrealist treatise.

>>4942132
He keeps saying that he's a man, the supreme gentleman, meanwhile he looks feminine as fuck.

Why oh why he just didn't turn into a tranny and start kissing boys instead?

Weininger wrote one of the greatest works before offing himself.

>>4942694
Here come the Hitler fanboys!

>>4942884
He is only claiming that Hitler is not SUPREME ABSOLUTE evil but just a simple facet of evil, which is a logical thing to say if you are not trapped in postWW2 american ideology trying to justify the existance and righteousness of your state

>>4942890
>evil
>existing

kek

Suicide Note by Mitchell Heisman. Its a nearly 2000 page book left by a dude that shot himself in the head on the Harvard campus.

>>4942078
what a qt

>>4942694
>it was an extreme situation

>>4942113
disgusting apologist turd

you are a proof that feminism is cancer

Reposting this because it's great.

>>4942078
not reading the thread, but i did read his manifesto and it was GREAT
if it was categorized as fiction it would have been the book everyone was talking about, his despair and delusion oozes through in really interesting ways.
it's confederacy of dunces x american psycho
seriously, it will only take you a few hours, read it

>>4943002
I KNOW you haven't read it, anon

>Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex.

>>4943063
Yeah but you're still a delusional faggot pretending not to be a man

Filtered

>>4943026
Damn you, I smirked.

You know what's funny? An egotistical virgin suffering from an inferior-superior complex writes better than 90% of /lit/. Seriously though, the manifest was quick to the point, edited correctly, and most importantly of all, ENTERTAINING. All you wordsmith here should take note and stop trying to bloat your writing with adjectives.

>>4942735
10/10

>>4943209
That really isn't true. If it wasn't for the "I'm an autistic beta loser who overreacts to everything" gimmick I would have burned the thing. Horrible reading. Horrible person.

>>4942966
Bit of a stretch to put a fedora in there. Mitch was basically an acting Ligotti. It was a nihilistic, rational suicide rather than a bitchy childish one like Elliott's.

>>4943209
If you ignore the crazy, it reads like something from a 4th grader who picked up a thesaurus.

Though format and editing were decent, I give you that.

>>4943228
It read far better than 90% of try hard /lit/ attempts at being some kind of prose god.

>>4942078
>or themselves

Mitchell Heisman - Suicide Note
http://www.suicidenote.info/ebook/suicide_note.pdf

this guys seems genuinely intelligent

>>4943231
I don't have a picture of someone rolling their eyes, but pretend I posted one

>>4943223
>>4943244
Yeah. Heisman was no fucktard like this dickless virgin.

>>4943247
Have a classic.

>>4943247
you must hate Hemingway then, it's pretty clear he was influenced by him

>>4943218
so .. all of it

>>4943258
Yeah Roger sure does seem like a textbook example of the iceberg theory. A sad little virgin on the surface, an angry little virgin underneath it all.

>>4943001
>5 million bloodthirsty soviet russians out for your head with all the tanks planes guns and bombs the red army can muster
>if you arent horribly mutilated you will be paraded in front of the entire world by Stalin and then executed in a no doubt gruesome manner
>not extreme

not a /pol/lack but that about as extreme as it gets

>>4943262
it goes beneath that, try re-reading it

>>4943269
No way. What a waste of time even reading it once was. The only funny part was how obvious it was that he had a sexual attraction to his sister.

>>4943231
Well, if you attempt something bigger than the absolute minimum, you are more likely to experience a bigger fall. So the c/lit/s with their purple prose look more ridiculous when they fail, than this massive cunt, who kept it simple.

>>4943218
Did it evoke an emotional response? Did the character not feel alive? Did you not read the whole thing, paragraphs after paragraphs in one sitting? Sure you hated the narrator but consider the opposite case, when the narrator is likable, would it have been as memorable? Eliot became alive and it should be all writers goal to create characters that comes to life with all their flaws and ugliness. It is unfortunate that the Real Eliot killed himself. Tragic really, he could have been a decent writer if he had gotten some help, cause damn, that fucker needed some help.

>>4943275
You're obviously taking the piss but you'll rake a few in, good attempt.

>>4943231
Accurate. There's nothing worse than a writer trying to be writerly.

>>4943285
I think that you are right. It is very annoying to read something with big long words. I think the best writing is the kind that makes the reader forget that they are reading. Hemingway was a good writer because he wrote about important things like unfairness towards black people but kept the writing easy to understand. Elliot Rodger came close to writing good but I had to look up words like "deign" in the dictionary when they came up and I didn't like it. I do not know why people like and give awards to James Joyce or Cormac McCarthy. There are lots of examples where they use purple prose. It is not good.

>>4943285
>Nineteen Eighty Phwooaar!

>>4943285
>that pic

pls tell me it's a troll

>>4943244
>page 1885
>Assmann, Jan. Of God and Gods: Egypt, Israel, and the Rise of
Monotheism. Madison, Wisconsin: The University of
Wisconsin Press, 2008.
>Assmann

>>4943312
0/10. Really, man, just sad.

>>4942113
>I am an enlightened woman who is free to do anything the White European male Max Stirner tells me to do.

>>4943312
>>4943324
I disagree, thought it was pretty good, I wasn't even sure until "deign".

>>4943347
Really? You got past "It is very annoying to read something with big long words" without your troll alarm going off?

>>4943349
if he put that sentence at the end instead of the beginning it would be lolz worthy

>>4942132
>tfw had sex twice
>Just realised I didn't kill them

>>4943411
shit I meant kiss

>>4943415
>>4943411

>>4943312
Obviously there's a difference between good writing and bad irrespective of big words and difficulty.

You're probably one of those /lit/ writers that can't tell yet.

>>4942221
writing is not a solitary pursuit
writing requires experience which requires getting out of your room and doing shit w/ your life

>>4943430
Please, go on. What is good writing? One with lyrical flow, appealing to the ear? The most cliched fantasy/sci-fi pulp could be written in such a way, given the author was good with syntax. Word choice and imagery? Surely these are obstacles for people who want to get straight to the point? And if good practice says to use them sparingly, how sparingly is acceptable? Or is it all just some gimmick? For everybody who thinks a metaphor is good, there'll be others to say it's heavy-handed, and others who say it's obfuscating. Must the piece of writing have something to say? Elliot Rodgers has plenty to say; that's why he managed more pages than most writers on here. And yet most of it is virtually worthless, because it's based on his insanity and the fallacies cooked up in his sick little head.

But please, tell us, what is objectively good writing?

>>4943469
>because it's based on his insanity and the fallacies cooked up in his sick little head.

every book ever

>>4943476
Every writer ever was insane?

>>4943479
no every book is based on insanity

>>4943469
Good writing is concise and considered. It's as simple as that. Great writing is another matter entirely.

>>4943252
>>4943244

I'd agree if he just posted his book online and defended its conclusions. Instead he writes it, decides his shit is too good and will be "repressed" then blows his brains out in front of a tour group at a school he never attended. Dude was all kinds of messed up and obviously had delusions about the importance of his writing.

>>4943486
Are you saying that humanity is inherently insane? I agree.

>>4943501
insane
JnˈseJn/
adjective
adjective: insane

in a state of mind which prevents normal perception, behaviour, or social interaction; seriously mentally ill.

If everyone were insane it wouldn't exactly be considered insane, would it?

>>4943469
You're a dick so I'll be brief.

Once you've read a few hundred books, you get a sense of what good writing is.

Here's a book to help you with some basics: Elements of Style - Strunk and White

My point is, simple writing; the kind of writing you see in a personal letter will always be better than someone trying to come across as intelligent or what they (wrongly) think good writing is. That shit is terrible. Its like a film with bad acting.

>>4943514
>If everyone were insane it wouldn't exactly be considered insane, would it?

But it's not...

>>4943522
I don't give a shit about the argument you're having about "good writing", but Strunk & White is a terrible resource. Please read this: http://chronicle.com/article/50-Years-of-Stupid-Grammar/25497

>>4942078
Have you watched some of his videos?
They seem weird. Like they are scripted or something.
I think it took him more than one take.
Especially the last one. It didn't seem genuine.

>muh conspiracy from /k/
that's just shit.

>>4942082
That shit is awful. Women don't even realize half of the obscene shit she had said.

>>4942101
Not who you are speaking to, but I think he was just a misanthrope, fustrated by his own inability to remove himself from his head.

He was angry, and through his anger he became immobile and unsocial. I've done this before. It takes a lot of time to come out of a state as such. The people who he had been exposed to also likely made him feel this way. You almost would draw a comparison between him and Robert D in taxi driver. A lot of people don't want to be what society commands and they don't want other people to have to much of a good time. It is a reasonable thought.

When one enjoys themselves to much, the balance is shifted and the bar is raised. Likely pushing him further away from his goals. It is like a video game almost. Many kids and even grown men are shut down in games like call of duty where many people are extreme. There are those who play non stop or make a living like this. This raises the bar for entry and likely he is upset at the bar of entry being so high. No one wants to immerse themselves entirely in order to gain an experience.

It seemed he just didn't enjoy the dishonesty of society.

>>4943522
>Strunk & White

oh kek

>>4942078
Read parts of the manifesto.
It's meh. Like someone wrote it for highschool or something.

>>4943530
He's got a terrible stilted personality. I would say it was scripted - by him. He even puts in these little "evil" laughs like some kind of Joker character, it's terribly pathetic. Trying to convey some sort of maniacal pernicious air.

He's a real piece of work this kid. Never found a personality so spent his whole life trying to invent one.

>>4943479
are you retarded?

>>4943541
He was literally diagnosed with autism you fucking autist

>>4943543
No he wasn't you fucking idiot. His mother CLAIMED he was, he was never diagnosed.

>>4943542
Sorry, I didn't realize every book ever written was insane, but the authors of said books weren't.

>>4943529
That's nice but its an excellent book and some blogger nitpicking won't change that.

Find another equivalent book if you're somehow too awesome for it.

>>4943271
>inb4 someone claims it's the new Sound And The Fury

>>4943541
i agree about the laugh.
it was so fucking forced.

i wonder if religion would've help him in some way

>>4943546
Not him, but I was able to diagnose him based on his manuscript and his videos.

>>4943557
sigh

Jesus fucking wept

>>4943558
>taking posts on 4chan at face value
>2014

>>4943546
>>4943543
I read somewhere and even in he's manifesto he's stepmom made fun of him for being a 22yr old virgin.

I think his parents spoiled him too much without
actually parenting him.
He could have done everything he wanted to and even tell he's dad he wanted to fuck some bitches.
I imagine his dad would've brought him like 3 of the best escorts money can buy.

>>4943564
Thank God

>>4943546
Who cares? Clearly you're a fucking autist, and that's all that matters anyway

>>4943541
>He's got a terrible stilted personality
Yeah, that came out in the bit of the manifesto I read too. The 'I'm going to kill people' lines were so unrealistic, forced and cliched. Granted 'my teenage years were shit and I can't have sex' is a cliche too, but there's a naturalness to that.

>>4943572
I'm all that matters? r-really?

>>4943543
>>4943546
I read somewhere and even in his manifesto his stepmom made fun of him for being a 22yr old virgin.

I think his parents spoiled him too much without
actually parenting him.
He could have done everything he wanted to and even tell he's dad he wanted to fuck some bitches.
I imagine his dad would've brought him like 3 of the best escorts money can buy.

>>4943573
Those and the C-list action movie villain lines like "Soon you will see who the truly superior one is" or "The day of vengeance will soon come".. eugh I cringe just thinking about that shit. I have never cringed so hard as when he tried to do that evil laugh.

>>4943575
Clearly he had delusions and serious mental health problems. Him not having a diagnosis of autism only makes his lack of empathy more variable to other diseases

Question: if he'd have shown up on 4chan, do you think people could have talked him out of being such a homicidally giant dick?

Did he show up on 4chan?

>>4943586
I don't really care, I was just contending the completely false claim that he was autistic when there is no evidence to suggest he was bar armchair psychology which isn't even armchair since all we have to go on are these incredibly forced and stilted videos where he was obviously either lying, embellishing or attempting to create a narrative of self-pity.

>>4943587
They would've posted a long series of fedora images and called him a manlet.

I'm fairly certain I read he appeared on /fit/ at least once, but was entirely consistent with every other poster on that board.

>>4943592
obviously his narcisstic personality disorder, lack of empathy and delusional thinking are clear-cut

by the way, i'm a mental health care professional, so i'm not really speaking from an armchair

>>4943581
Is there any actual truths about the conspiracy shit or
he's just a bad actor and wanted to go out with a bang?

I don't understand the point of directing that shit.
It was clearly scripted by him.
Even if you are deranged , why would you do that?
Narcissism?

>>4943587
i doubt it.
would /lit/ save him? or just start with the greeks?

>>4943592
Police investigated him before and said he was normal.
I doubt he had serious autism or some other form of mental problems.

>>4943597
isn't that normal in today's society? selfies etc?

>>4943601
Selfies are just a latent reaction to the mirror stage. Online presence is an instantiation of the ideal-I.

>>4943581
The worst was 'a female won't mate with me'. Its sad how out of touch he was. He needed a friend

>>4943587
>Talked him out of

Do you know where you are?

>>4943601
>isn't that normal in today's society? selfies etc?
No, I mean, saying you're going to murder everyone because they turned you down is incredibly narcissistic, his views of relationships and other people were clearly delusional

I wouldn't be suprised if he was developing schizophrenia, he was the right age for symptoms to become clear.

it's also important to remember that ASD can manifest in many ways, given what we do know he probably does lie SOMEWHERE in the spectrum. It's faulty to assume that all individuals with autism manifest the same

>>4943597
>by the way, i'm a mental health care professional, so i'm not really speaking from an armchair
Not a very good one by this statement unless you're operating in an area with a pretty piss poor ethical understanding; then you might be convinced those words were a good idea to hit 'post' on

>>4943604
I think he had problems adapting.
Adapting to the conditions he was in.

I doubt the people he encountered had more
empathy than him or were less narcissistic.


>>4943612
i see.

>>4943616
what do you mean? this is the internet, and we're having a speculative discussion. you're being pretentious to say we "can't speculate" because of some dumb devotion to an ideal that's completely irrelevant

more likely, you just want to avoid the discussion because him having a disability jams up whatever "profound" cultural message you want to use him for

>>4943626
No, this is how you chose to use your authority and speculation. I mean, it holds less risks since you're on 4chan, but it speaks to your ethics and if you don't understand why, and get defensive rather than reviewing the potential for it to be seen as such, it's just a bigger problem. Have a nice think to yourself in the corner about how you use your position to fulfil your needs.

>>4943604
Lacan pls

>>4943638
I'm having a hard time comprehending what you're trying to be indignant about, do you care to explain in basic terms?

>>4942101
>Do you honestly think someone who is still a kissless virgin at 22 would be a good writer?
;_; M-my writing's not bad.

>>4943653
Talk to your supervisor. If you don't have one, review your local ethical guidelines. I doubt you are a mental health care professional because this is ethics 101 regarding authority, education, or internet advice; disclosing your status when you can have the argument without it is a sign that status was more important than its attendant responsibilities. Which, like I said, your local ethics committee or supervisor can illustrate to you. If you're operating without any supervision, please seek some.

>>4943587
he posted on Misc where from what I gather his posts were so stereotypically trollish nobody actually took him seriously

>>4943669
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIQHzQ1gcX0

>>4943666
I'm not qualified to make diagnoses, but I'm trained in recognizing symptoms. And no, I've not had that education on authority, but your statement on authority seems pretty fucking stupid to me. I think you've confused intrainstitutional policy with extrainstitutional policy.

>If you're operating without any supervision, please seek some.

Not with direct supervision

>Which, like I said, your local ethics committee or supervisor can illustrate to you.

This is a different scenario than ethics guidelines are meant for. i'm not speaking about a living person, i'm speculating about a dead one, and reminding people that i have authority on this subject isn't a sign of how i view my status, it's a sign that we're having a talk over something fucking pointless

>>4942849

Yourself is a rapist?

>>4943698
It's no different intra or extra- you're using your training to win a 4chan argument. Further , your training might allow you to speculate better, to reference better, but it gives you no reason for an appeal to authority, especially when you're using that authority to win an argument on 4chan. It's mind boggling you don't get how this is not you pontificating to the detriment of your own ethical standards or the profession. If you see no abuse of authority in this, you're not even good at rhetoric, let alone your job. If you don't have supervision, again, I urge you to get some. Ethical guidelines apply to every situation you wish to present yourself as a member of a profession with ethical guidelines- learn this even if you don't bother with the supervision, because you are leaving yourself liable. Not just liable in terms of human cost you probably will never feel, based on your efforts to defend an unethical position, but in real cash money and legal terms. My ethical duty has been discharged here so have a nice life being an egotistical quack.

>>4943729
No, I get it, actually, I just hate admitting that I'm wrong

>>4943529
>http://chronicle.com/article/50-Years-of-Stupid-Grammar/25497
S&W is not a grammar guide, it is a style guide. The fault is with the teachers.

>>4942078
>My Twisted Life
>implying Kanye isn't responsible for him shooting people


I guess you could say Yeezy taught him.

>>4943469
>Elliot Rodgers has plenty to say
Outside of that I can agree with you.

The guy just dragged "I am a whinny loser" to 100+ pages. Anybody could write political novel containing only "kill niggers" in enough variations and examples to fill as many pages as you want.

>>4943743
+1

>>4943743
Eliot's taste in music is well-documented tho and he didn't listen to Kanye.

>>4943743
I knew it would come back to the hip-hop music.

>>4943739
And yet it freely dispenses advice about grammar under the heading of style.

>>4942739
Precisely. The bitterness, the awkwardness, the embarrassing social encounters - this guy's life reads like Notes from the Underground.

>>4942376
I'm amazed that he murdered people just because he couldn't get a girlfriend. Most lonely virgins transform their inability to get laid into something grander -- they begin to resent the rest of the world, not just the women who "deny" them love and sex. It seems so petty.

>>4943744
Actually, based on word count alone, the work qualifies as a bona fide novel.

>>4943889
But IT IS a work of fiction
>source: /pol/

>>4943878
>>4942376
Do you guys realize just how much that sounds like trigger warnings? No pun intended. He can't be around couples. The symptoms of depression become violent when he realizes despair.

Sometimes people like him suffer because of the life style he is born into. If he has a mental illness or autism the spot light and the publicity can be a nightmare.

People probably bullied him from middle school until he graduated. In college people care less, but in his region its different. He lives in a drama ridden city in California.

Dating around in my life I've come across a lot of children of people who work in film etc. They are horrible parents for the most part. There are a few celebrity couples who stand out on TV, but in general the arts and children

If that wasn't clear enough what I had meant was that while children use art and that is productive, but semi famous artists of all kinds whether acting, martial arts, writing, etc. It all is a very time consuming and driven life style. Unless your child is as into it as you are, than they will likely be miserable.

You think the brainwashing at the lower levels of society is bad? You have no idea the power of consumerism to a rich teen or young adult. The money destroys people. It happens all the time. You see celebrities melting down all the time.

all these mass murders have become kind of events in history, with their own names? There's Sandy Hook, Boston Bombing, Aurora Shooter, and these events obviously comprise a lot more than what's in the name. BUT I can't see any pattern in how we decide to refer to these things. Sometimes the event is called by the town where it happened, or the killer's weird methods, or the location in space or time where the event took place. i wonder what name people will give this one

the distortion of experiencing these things through media is funny because they become such fucking personal things to us and the people who die become martyrs for a million ideologies

i've read the manifesto and found it similarly disorientating. any reaction to it i could possibly muster up-- anger, sadness, grief, whatever-- would be so hilariously impotent and pedantic and i just cannot

>>4943924

regardless of how you feel about trigger warnings, don't you think it's not a little bit disingenuous to compare the kid's symptoms to the kind of experiences that make way people to advocate trigger warnings? like physical abuse, like sexual abuse?

>>4943933

I propose the raging boner

>>4943938
He was bullied. Physical abuse.

>>4943938
Not at all. The graveness of something makes little difference. I think it is disingenuous to say that after at a certain level of intensity someone no longer deserve to feel ok. Isn't our society about helping to commodity. Are we a market that is not hospitable enough to be weary of the unfortunate people of our society.

Don't you think a life time of bullying from men and rejection from women drives people to act this way? These are extreme problems that exist in our society. We should be helping the extreme cases before we help the many.

Since when is the mentality of helping the majority of people who need it more than the minority of people who desperately need it?


Irresponsible parents, social rejection from both major demographics, mixed race and the weird identity shit that comes with that. People have complex lives and many of them are completely obliterated by the situations they are born into.

Is it fair to punish people for the experience they had to endure and how it effected their growth as a person.

It disturbs me that the poor have been so easily convinced that serious problems do not occur in the middle and upper middle classes. It gets ever worse as you get wealhier.

Sure the kids who are naturally going to shine will do so and have access to the great things at their dispoal, but many are just like those in poverty.

Money cannot raise you. It cannot make you happy, and it cannot be given to young people in large sums to run wild with.

A good education cannot fix a broken man with a broken mind. I pity the life he had to live and where it drove him. People of the lower class cannot understand that the rich are only human.

Just like there are gangster, trolls, hoes. idiots in the hood, there are gangsters in suburbia.

>>4943889
Would buy

>>4943998
>People of the lower class cannot understand that the rich are only human.
Who never will ever have even close as many problems as the lower class. Nobody says that money buy happiness, but given how poverty doesn't stop you from having other problems, like being a mental crippled or whatever, the rich clearly play the game on a lower difficulty.

As a poorfag you got all the problem rich people got and in addition you have to worry about the next meal.

>>4943801
It always does.
Also, if anyone wants the manifesto download, I have a zip download link while its still up

>>4944065
>implying that a minimalistic lifestyle can't free you as a person

apparently gandhi worried a lot about his next meal

being poor is as much of a blessing as it is a curse, same goes with being rich

>>4944084
confirmed for never having been poor

>>4944084

Nice affirmation, bruv

>>4944084
There is an easy solution to free yourself from the burden of wealth and enjoy all the ... err, benefits of minimalistic lifestyle.

>>4944065
You are being a child. Do you think that wealth does not present an entirely different type of problem. Money shapes. To little you malnourished the mind, to much you have lazy and obese of the mind.

>>4944065
And who do you think pays tons of taxes? The upper middle class and lower upper class. Those are ordinary people, not billionaires and conglomerates.

What you say is a common belief, but I believe it is a conformation bias.

I had been poor for a long time, and later in my teens my mother got a good job and we had money, but I spent many years poor. I find there are just as many issue with having money.

With more money, you are opened up to a whole new world. Wealth separates many the class to a great extent. The left siding people, especially democrats in America do this. We ignore the problems of people with money.

As if one rich guys salary is going to fund ground breaking surgery. It isn't that simple. People ignore a lot of the truths about being upper middle class and above. There are a lot of strange and new things thrown your way/

It is almost unnatural.

>>4944084
Did you honestly just say that starvation is on par with whatever the fuck problems rich people have? Have you ever been hungry and know that you have no one, no place to go back to to get feed? Shit bro, you be living in bubble.

>>4944084
Thank you. People are always trying to pay the suffering Olympics. No one's suffering is worse. It's all subject. Some crippled people live great lives, but other live miserable ones and there is a while group in between the two.

>>4944106
We're not talking about people who get air dropped rice. We're talking about the lower class.

Please, come in. Welcome to reality. This is the conversation. Please don't comment if you don't read any of the thread.

>>4944084
>Implying Ghandi was lower class

>>4944100
>Do you think that wealth does not present an entirely different type of problem.
For example? You can just as well have an obese mind as a working drone.

Coming from the middle class in a post communist country and being rather a poorfag in Germany, who can still travel around, and additionally having some rich friends (though I would consider single digits millionaires rather upper upper class than true rich), gives me perspective on most sides of the coin I'd say.

Besides, even if there would be some problems, specific to the rich, you can get rid of money easier than gain it.

>And who do you think pays tons of taxes?
How is this even relevant for the level we discuss now? Tons of taxes or not, the "rich" still have much, much, much more money to spend.

>There are a lot of strange and new things thrown your way
But this is always the case, no matter the class.

>>4944122
Then why the fuck was the issue of Gandhi looking for his next meal brought up?

>>4944115
The issue is that the suffering of the lower class is easily solved with a change in government policies. How exactly are you to solve rich people's problem of boredom?

>>4944115
Then perhaps you can help me with my horrible suffering of deciding what phone to buy next? Perhaps I should get them all, but changing them every day sounds like an unbearable pain as well.

>>4944151
Having two times the problems make little different. One problem is enough to crush many people. These situation are not black and white. While I think people with double the problems need attention, you cannot simply ignore or neglect the others, especially the ones with money. Those are people who run the economy and provide it with long term jobs and stability.

>>4944155
>How exactly are you to solve rich people's problem of boredom?
Because poor people don't get that? Outside of doing a monotone job, they come back home too tired to do anything else.

Though I gladly volunteer to help any rich person with all the nasty money, so he/she can enjoy the simple life.

>>4944155
Because someone else also jumped off topic.

>>4944159
No suffering is good suffering.

>>4944124
That's not what I was saying at all, class is such a stupid word to define people.

Sure, you can just put people into "poor/starving, middle and $richfag$" classes, but that's stupid as fuck.

Personal success or happiness in general doesn't stem from being dealt the right cards or rolling some good stats at birth, being born into a rich family and stuff, it stems from doing something and seeing the results of your work.
>>4944085
Okay, that's your opinion, same as anyone else can say
>butthurt poorfag detected
a la
>>4944088
but,

I've been through ups and downs so far, and I think the mind functions better the less you tax your body.
>>4944096
I don't think the answer is to just say fuck it and donate all to charity or to someone or to a bank, its all about the balance.
Don't overindulge yourself in earthly pleasures (food, drinking, drugs, sex, etc), if at all,
Don't buy both a desktop and a laptop and a tablet and a phone and an MP3/4 player and all that, just strike a balance wherever you can.
>>4944155
I don't think the rich people should have their problems fixed by anyone.
If anything, the rich are rich due to the poor, and the poor deserve to have summadat $$$ thrown their way.
It is the socially acceptable thing for them to do, or else they end up not being rich anymore (see french revolution).

>>4944162
I wouldn't call it neglecting, in an ideal world, we should help them just as much as the poor (would there be even THE poor in an ideal world?) but in practice, I'd say it's pretty nasty to worry about something like "boredom of the rich" while we have billions starving and working themselves to death.

>>4944165
As someone who does hard manual labor with 100lb cargo all day, thank you. Most people don't understand this. On top of that I work in a cold room. Labor jobs require an enormous amount of energy. They are often non stop for hours at a time with a 15 or 30 minute break which is taken up by shoveling down food that you can obtain quickly.

>>4944167
>No suffering is good suffering.
You never wrote a novel, did you?

>>4944100
>And who do you think pays tons of taxes? The upper middle class and lower upper class. Those are ordinary people, not billionaires and conglomerates.
>
>What you say is a common belief, but I believe it is a conformation bias.
>
>I had been poor for a long time, and later in my teens my mother got a good job and we had money, but I spent many years poor. I find there are just as many issue with having money.
>
>With more money, you are opened up to a whole new world. Wealth separates many the class to a great extent. The left siding people, especially democrats in America do this. We ignore the problems of people with money.
>
>As if one rich guys salary is going to fund ground breaking surgery. It isn't that simple. People ignore a lot of the truths about being upper middle class and above. There are a lot of strange and new things thrown your way/
>
>It is almost unnatural.

I also completely agree with this, due to having an almost identical background.

also
>>4944115
I know some Vietnamese guy who went to Japan with another guy (they both live in UK, the viet is doing like game designing in uni, the other jap is like switching majors while doing drugs), and halfway through the trip the Viet just snapped (I guess the japs didn't like him or something I've heard), talked about how God hates him, how all his relatives are successful, how tfw no gf, how he has no friends, no purpose.

Guess what he plays games all day and expects things to happen.

>>4944177
It's not boredom of the rich. Wealth and possession have a strong psychological effect. Do not ignore a movies like
"her"

People don't love other people anymore, not even themselves. They love their possessions and only that. This includes other people. Everyone has a price. It doesn't have to be acknowledged or with cash either.

>>4944169
Thing is, it's easier to strike the balance when you have 10 millions and can donate 9 to charity, then having tons of debts to pay and a shitty job that barely pays the bills.

>>4944192
Wouldn't this still apply to lower classes, just less drastically in most cases?

>>4944185
No.


And yes, ordinary people snap. There is a perfect storm for many people. Some people find the perfect storm to be a rainy day,
>You quoted two of my posts

>>4944192
Did you just cite a movie as proof for an assertion, bro?

>>4944169
I do not think you understand what class is. If Ghandi was not born into an intellectual Hindu family, he most certainly would not have influenced anyone to the levels he did.
What I mean is success, though it may not "stem" from good fortune, it is more often than not a prerequisite for obtaining some sort of success.
Upward mobility is only available for those already on top

>>4944200
Yes, but we have also develed into the topic that people with both disadvantages are more important that someone with one. Different people are not all the same. Sometimes it just takes a little to break someone and other times it takes a whole lot.

Not everyone is strength, but let me tell you one thing. Strength is not class exclusive. People from all nations, races, ethnicities, and classes have strength.

>>4944106
You could say I'm oblivious to the struggle (I can't say I've had periods of not eating longer than like 2-3 days tops), but if someone is resourceful enough, they will feed themselves no matter the economy.

If not, then tough luck, if you're not smart enough to feed yourself, you're not smart enough to preach some higher truth how you're being shat on by the illuminati and the elite and the bourgeois and all that crap.

My dad is a physics teacher and by all things logical he should be earning more than like 15k$ a year (3rd world country), but I remember him talking how like 15 years ago when he didn't have a job he'd go out and put up telephone poles since there wasn't anywhere to work due to a trade embargo and hyperinflation, not that the pay was any better and it was hard work 8hrs a day for months on end, just so he could put the food on the table and all.

There's just people who'd rather spend every day bitching how they should have PRIVILEGES, rather than working their way up because it seems like such a monumental task.
>>4944203
Most people associate class with how much do$h you have, but yeah, that always stands.
A smart poor person is mostly if not always better than a dumb rich person.

Then again, I can't name a single popular artist (at least in music) that didn't start from the bottom now they here. Determination.

No one wants to buy records from some rich shmuck who has money as it is, and everyone loves the underdog mentality always stands.

>ITT kids talking shit about the success of Elliot Rodgers, mainly because he wrote about his own life and feelings.

Is this what summer is like on /lit/?

>>4944202
I was giving a well constructed example. I get that you want me to say that yes it is, and yes it is.

Just because you saw it in a movie doesn't mean it is unrealistic. Is the job of a director and writer to not preform convincingly. Many do so. In film, many people study real events and have first hand experiences that they write about..

Artist are human and while you may view their work objectively, their art is subjective in nature. It is created by them for a purpose either for business or personal desire.

>>4944213
I think it just started like that now its a full blown discussion about poor vs rich and stuff like that.

It's not really as if that guy will be remembered/referenced when 2015 comes.

>>4944179
>>4944213
i c wt u did

>>4944213
It's a topic to debate. We're answering the questions of society.

>>4944213
>success of Elliot Rodgers
He went on a shooting spree and that convinced some people to read his life story, I should hope you set the bar for "success" somewhat higher in your own life.

>>4944233
>>4944234
see >>4944232

>>4944234
A majority of the populace can't be bothered to read it; they just get cliffs notes clipettes in the news.

He's famous for not being able to get laid. And that failure ain't no success at all.

>>4944234
Why do you get to decide what success is?

>>4944234
"The worst part of this whole ordeal was not getting beaten up, oh no. It was the fact that no one showed any concern. There was only one group who helped me to the end of Del Playa, but after that they abandoned me. Not one girl offered to help me as I stumbled home with a broken leg, beaten and bloody. If girls had been attracted to me, they would have offered to walk me to my room and take care of me. They would have even offered to sleep with me to make me feel better. But no, not one girl
showed an ounce of concern for me. "

>tfw you will never write a piece about delusion half as good or authentic as this kid
>tfw this kid unknowingly created a masterpiece

>>4944243
i like how it spells NES in the middle

>>4944213
You mean the success of self publishing with unconventional methods of PR?

>>4944207
Which boils down to subjectivity of suffering, which is perfectly valid itself but I wouldn't say we can prioritize help like that.

Looking at the bigger picture one can add the problem of how the Western society is so obsessed by the faulty idea to pursuit happiness, something extremely temporary and intangible ... and how Capitalism turned it into an even more retarded pursuit of happiness that is manifested in physical crap.

>>4944253
yeah no
>>4944255
Mad Men talks about this very well, I think one of Don Draper's quotes was like;
"But what is happiness? It's a moment before you need more happiness"

Basically happiness in the form of material (which is what advertising wants to sell you) is only as much ephemeral as you crave it, and you'll never have enough if you just keep chasing money and status.
That's why art is something almost everyone can do nowadays.

Anyone can pick up a brush and paint something, but you'll need to get people to see this, and that takes dedication.
Same thing goes with musicians, Kanye West didn't just make an album in 2004 and it just went from there, he worked for like 10 years making beats for people prior to that, and slaving away, because he believed he can make something happen out of it.

That's what writers believe in too, no one's gonna read some rich fuck's book, because usually rich people don't have much to say (I mean rich people that are rich from family funds, not self-made rich).

People who complain about other people having "iPhones, iPads, iMacs and Macbooks" while #struggle is going on elsewhere are so shallow and superficial and are the exact types of people who'd do the exact same thing if they had money, that's why they envy people who have money because they see a reflection of themselves and it creeps them out.

>>4944253
this can't be real

>>4944253
Authentic my ass, it's one of this moments when real life can be more absurd than any fiction and people only buy it because it happened.

>>4944292

No I actually really mean it.

It's pretty hard to convey sincerity about something like this, because it sounds rather hipstery to praise it, but I sincerely mean it.

>>4944298

That is my point, but you don't seem to agree that it being real adds something to the book.

What I mean is, you can work your ass off trying to write a delusional character. But you will never go as far as this kid does, because in itself it looks very ham-fisted. Same goes for the kid's rants of racism that very visible stem from his sexual frustration.

The book reads like a terribly written parody. That is the precise reason that it being real adds insane value to it.

>>4944311
>you don't seem to agree that it being real adds something to the book
Oh, I do, I just can't decide or put in words, "what" the value would be. It's the similar appeal, Mein Kampf got, the sheer absurdity of something that can't possible be real but is. Eh, not sure.

>>4944339

Yeah man, I see what you mean. It is an important distinction indeed. I might have went overboard, calling it value.

>>4943421
wow

>>4942329
I lost it at 13 to a 17 year old.

Wasn't as great as it sounds; it was like Sam and Cindy on Freaks and Geeks.

>>4942329
>>4944456
I think it's time we let this thread die.

>>4944465
>it is too late, sergei
>it was always too late