/lit/ - Literature

What the fuck is a white banger?

>>4917216
If you can make it something more than mere therapeutic writing, sure.

>>4917216

>When you grow up in second world slavlands you get a taste of real world instead of bullshit:

>No, you cant become president/astronaut when you grow up, maybe even a haircutter is out of your capabilities. Deal with it.
World is terribly, so so terribly unjust. There is no equality or justice on this Earth and if god really made it, he didnt have it in his plan so dont spend too much time crying over a spilled milk.
>Time is the only currency you have.

>Since 'comfort breeds weakness' and since every slavland had to deal with numerous bullshit through out history, men that survived all of it either toughened up or died trying.

>Before you are 15 years old, you already had your first taste of real life, your first blowjob in the park, your first fight, you got mugged and roughed up for the first time and you kinda liked the effect bottle have on you and moral support it gives.

>Meanwhile, others were watching their 'little girl' cartoons and played pokemon and got sheltered by their mom. They are now still virgins in their 20's and their opinions are shitting up their countries, they support immigration and welfare and think their rights and freedoms are completely practical in real world and dont know a single thing about self sacrifice and how much it is in dire need to your country. They also believe in peace and that peace can work in real life, while there are millions of muslims and what not out there.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weisswurst

>>4917221
Pheasant Sausage?

>>4917246
so much edge and nationalism, typical slavshit

>>4917257
I know. Fucking slavs trust me I know.

>>4917248
Do you know me anon? Thatd a stample from where I live.

>>4917246

>>4917216
Just write. Write a lot. And read a lot. Go back and read what you wrote. Try to figure out what you wrote sucks and make it better. Find someone who can write better than you and have them read it and tell you why it sucks. Get better at writing. Eventually you'll be able to write your story. Most likely no one will ever read it or care, but if you really want to do it just do it.

>>4917246
Nice copypasta, it always cheers me up.

>>4917216
Sounds like a good idea, but don't make the rich kids look too foolish, because they're mostly the people that'll be reading it if it's finished (or won't because its repellant).

Even Donald Goines, a black hood writer knew to write white people fairly and not be rascist.

>>4917241
That is why I've come here. I want the opinions of people who actually read. Since I'm sort of addicted to 4chan this is an easy way for me to find people who I both might understand because of our cultural closeness and because i literally have to do almost nothing different. I'd like to get help and advice about writing and if you think it is worth hearing.

Is it a petty story. Am I playing poor white man card? Or do you think this is a reality that is often ignored.

>>4917246
Anon, that's pretty much my entire life. IS this you mocking me or is this a quote from somewhere? That is the reality i live in.

>>4917288
Thank you for the encoruagment anon. I'm feeling kind of inspired. I've been keeping a journal and trying to write important stuff in there so I can remember it. So far it has worked a bit so I would like to write that in there.

>I'll try posting on this board again after I've spent some time pursuing this. After this thread of course. I'll be here to answer question and take more advice. I appreciate the encouragement.


>>4917338
Yeah sure, I won't be to harsh. I got a taste of a more wealthy life later in life which has been a cocktail of misery. I was able to afford an xbox and i got into online gaming, my mother would shell out all the money for games and stuff and I didn't get a job until I was 20.I turned to gaming after I feel into the depression. Online friends were my new friends. Society had rejected me.

ITT: slav feels

>>4917408
Hey if we're going to do the whole theraputic society bull shit I want in too. How dare the government coddle other races and ignore Slavs. I wouldn't even be surprised if it was some political bullshit with Russia that gets no coverage.

>blah blah the U.S still is in cold war mode and never left.

>be slav
>domestic violence at home, father is a complete asshole, barely able to talk to him because of repressed rage and disgust
>however, I don't have to do shit in my life, parents are fairly well off, will probably leave me a good bit of money, have my own apartment
>not sure if I had a privileged life or a shitty one due to childhood traumas

>>4917428
>tfw completely opposite (except the slav part)
;_;

>>4917216
I know you say you're not great at writing, but writing a book about your life is pretty sure to garner some attention. People have always loved books that shed light on some of the unknown social injustices. If I were a better writer myself I'd help you out, but keep it up. The possibility of financial success through a book aside, these kinds of stories are ones that need telling.

People are often willing to look over relatively poor writing if the book is a true story written a real participant in said story. As other anons have said, write a lot. As with all things you get better with practice. Work on what parts of your story should be in a novel, try writing out some more notable events as practice. And get help from somebody who writes better than you.

Also, try expanding your vernacular with Memrise (http://www.memrise.com/course/948/sat-comprehensive/).). Having a rich vocab is important for improving prose.

And of course, the final bit of obvious advice. Read. Check /lit/'s sticky, find some books that might interest you and check them out at a library. If you find words you don't know in books, look them up.

Good luck, OP. Keep /lit/ in the loop if this actually goes through, I'd like to see this happen and I'd like to read it. Don't be afraid to ask for writing advice should you need it (though doubtless there are better online communities for that than /lit/).

>>4917216
write it, no matter how shitty it is. then commit an hero and let the glory come by itself.

>>4917428
Yeah my dad is pretty much a ranging alcoholic and had been a drug addict. My mom makes good money and we live comfortably in an apartment that has stable rent, but we just have enough for a little extra, nothing big, small commodities. Saving would take much to long, that good money would sit there while we were miserable. The good money has only been recent. My mom lost her job twice in the last 6 years, one of which she worked for, for 20 years. We got really lucky and with her long time experience, she got hired at a private hospital and gets paid really well. She is trying to save money to buy a house and continue my education through my struggles.

>>4917438
Pic related.

>>4917442
Everything after this post's first sentence is silly, but
>write it, no matter how shitty it is.
is exactly what you should do. Write it, get the whole thing on paper. Then read it, read it aloud not in your head. Correct and change certain passages to sound better, cut out or shorten things that you don't think are very important. Remove unneeded adjectives and descriptions, etc. You should keep doing that until the story is practically rewritten, then do it again. All while getting advice from somebody, anybody, who can write better than you.

When you're finally happy with it, submit it to a agent/publisher/editor, it may get rejected that's fine don't worry. Just submit it to somebody else. If all goes well, an editor will look through it and make even more corrections and the rest is history.

In all honesty, nobody is going to be too anal about your writing if you're telling a true story. Just tell it honestly and try to convey the proper emotions in each scene, don't be overly biased and don't dramatize. Make it real. If people can see that it's real than they'll be willing to let bad prose slip. There's a lot of very much so fictional novels with bad prose that are huge successes, after all.

I always wondered, if you wrote an autobiography and confessed some fucked up crimes, can the law catch up with your shit?

>>4917438
Woops for forgot the pic.

>I can see the light, thank you for your kind words.

>>4917465
Just do what Nabokov did and pretend it's all fiction.

>>4917465
I didn't do anything too illegal. Smoke weed and drink underage in public parks . WOOOO. I mean i knew people who pushed and had serious violent offense, namely the people who kicked my ass, but i was pretty clean.

I used to say i wrote graffiti to fit is a bit sometimes. Sometime you had to lie so people wouldn't see you as an enemy.

>>4917474
Yeah there's nothing to worry about there. Getting caught smoking weed might get you in trouble, but saying you smoked it in the past won't spur Seal Team Six into breaking down your door.

There's countless celebrities that openly admit to smoking it regularly. Snoop Dogg is probably out there smoking weed as I type. Needless to say, don't worry about hiding illicit activities of that variety.

And if you're talking about people who did commit more serious crimes, you'll probably want to change names for the sake of privacy.

>>4917408

I want to contribute too. I'm a slav from a poor, working-class family. Obligatory violent, drunk father obsessed with the Red Army and Yugoslav partisans. Nervous wreck mother who pretended everything is fine, we the children take beatings for her. I started drinking alcohol when I was 14, got in a correction home for youths for petty theft and continuous assaults in school. Here are just a few absurd situations that happened in my family: father gave our parrot vodka, the parrot got so fucking drunk that it flew into dough for bread my mom was preparing. He then wanted to beat the shit out of the parrot, couldn't catch it, so he beat me instead. Another: father brought 3 bags full of live hens and slaughtered them in our small bathroom, I wanted to save at least one, so I ran outside. He chased me around the block with an axe. The same night I wake up with my dad's penis dangling above me; he has a gun in his hand and threatens me for stealing his chicken (I was 7 then). Another time he bought live trouts and made a pool for them in our bathtub. We couldn't shower for 9 days because the damn trouts had the tub all to themselves.

>>4917489
And my safety. You don't disrespect hood rats without being harassed. They all know where I live.

I'd probably give the indiscreet names like >the leader of the group(rank/hierarchy)
>person with x attributes, etc.

Read novels. Some off the top of my head that share similar themes to what you posted: the warriors by sol yurick, some works by ryu Murakami, another country by Baldwin, nw by zadie smith, I'll throw in less than zero bc you got rich kids doing bad shit.

find out what you like. It obviously seems like you have a story to tell that hasn't been told before, at least through the eyes of where you come from. Hopefully after you read some you will move away from wanting to make your work so preachy bc that just won't work in 2014. A more neutral or at least honest perspective would work with your content

Sounds like you have a story worth telling OP, and this thread has plenty of advice. Good luck with your endeavors.

>>4917498
Oh yeah of course. I'll be indiscreet. Trust me I grew up in a really diverse area. There is a lot more to share than just the pains. A lot of great events happened here. We had festivals, fairs, block parties, lots of stuff to do for fun, and lots of delis. We had a lovely social life, except for the bangers. I was in between both groups before I got sucked into it all. Eventually I would become solidly locked in the bangers direction. I was always a bystander in their serious affairs, but I was in it. They considered me part of the crew. We were just a lesser wing. We had alliances with other local crews as well. There were probably 6 groups and 4 main players. 2 of the groups had a alliance.

>>4917498

There are some great Russian writers who wrote about Russia after the fall of the Soviet Bloc and the rise of crime and organised gangs. Might also be interesting for inspiration.

But yeah, reading is key.

>>4917216
Sounds good man, I can relate to your story, though I was more likely one of the "rich" kids you tried to draw in. I grew up relatively middle class in Philadelphia, the child of a dumb as dirt working class white guy with an Irish name and muttblood and a moderately well off financially Irish immigrant mother.

Early childhood was in a mostly Russian, some Ukranian and some Indian neighborhood. And idk what immigrant neighborhoods are like in other cities, but in Philly, Russian neighborhood means everyone speaks Russian and all the signs are in Russian and everyone is really rude and suspicious of each other.

My family went from steady middle class when I was born, slowly down and down until we were another trashy family on welfare. Still, it wasn't like I was true ghetto. But public schools are a bitch and I met kids, presumably like you, who got me into some nasty shit before I made the decision to keep to my friends who weren't selling/snorting pills and jumping people.

OP, you really should write your story. Doesn't matter if you're not an excellent writer as long as it's good enough to impart what has happened to you. I'm very interested in what you have to say, at least tell some more in this thread

Lel in my town all the criminal kids are rich because the poor kids can't afford to get away with what the rich kids do. The drug dealers and hooligans all have $250,000 or more income families and can beat up most of the poor kids. I'm sort from sort of a middle class family and I hang out with the crazy rich kids and some of my friends are poor but these kids can afford all sorts of shit like roids and MMA lessons so they can beat most people in town up

>>4917216
Sounds liek a comedy

>>4917554
Yup, its that class of people. We're from the same line. Ellis Island. A lot of people forget that after the civil war, a whole new immigrant ave of people would come. It would last almost the whole century until the slowing of immigration recently.

You know how all your friends hate histroy and have very one sided narrow views? It's because they grew up on one side of the fence. The one they built around blacks, and while doing it, they left lower class white areas as well. Housing was cheaper out of state, thus sparking a new culture from out side the city.


Don draper is a perfect example of this type of character. I can relate to Don all the time. From my persecute his life is very much similar to not only my own, but others who grew up around me.

>>4917573
This is the jersey shore infleunce. That sparked a wave of cultural shift in our areas. Everyone wanted to act like they were form the Jersey shore.

>Clubbing
>drinking
>sex with all of your friends
> living like slobs
>drugs

That fucked the rich kids so much. That is what lead them to use. They loved it. People who aren't smart and have money usually do stupid shit.

It is a result of to much power and money and little to show for it. Money won't buy you happiness. A damn good education will.

>>4917614
You mind if I ask what city you're from friend?

>>4917945
New York City.
>>4917246
Does anyone know where this comes from.

>Op here

I actually express myself really well on paper compared to in person.

If anyone has any more questions or advice, I'm willing to speak. I'll be on for about 30 or 40 minutes.

>>4917221
>being this white