/lit/ - Literature

fucking hate Rand

rand trolling is so last decade, get with the times honey

>>490194
Not trollin. Am srs.

I don't lurk /lit/ much, lot of shitstorming about Rand?

>>490199
You also don't read the rules before posting.

>4. There is to be no discussion of Ayn Rand.

>Wouldn't a Laissez-faire economy lead to giant monopolies

yes, yes, that is the paradox of the free market - the logic of competition and profit-seeking undermines the very principles it purports to uphold, via the centralisation of capital.

>>490208
that's not a paradox it's just a flaw

btw
most right libertarians are minarchists, not because of the monopolitic fear mongering/talking points, but more because of things like food safety, false advertising, etc.

>>490213
>monopolistic*

i should've phrased that better...

>>490213
it's not fear-mongering. The centralisation of capital and economies of scale would be barriers to entry to the market ...

>>490217
do you know how that centralization forms in the first place?

>>490187
>Atlas Shrugged
>Ayn Rand
>http://www.4chan.org/rules#lit
>4. There is to be no discussion of Ayn Rand.

Take your thread elsewhere.

>>490224
oh wow.

>>490224
Rand is "too deep" for /lit/.

>>490235
>Rand is deep.
HAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA.

>>490237
Ya.. in her cunt hole

if it takes you more than 10 seconds to dismiss rand's "philosophy," you are part of the problem

monopolies are still forced to be competitive with other companies. if that monopoly raises prices to high or another company produces a better good it would have to adjust or lose its monopoly.

>>490241
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxvud4BujZk

>>490223
through the accumulation of capital primarily. Competition forces the decrease of the price per unit of commodities, which is achieved through increased productivity and scale of production.

>>490241
If a monopoly has competition, it isn't a monopoly. As soon as another corporation gives a monopoly competition, then it ceases to be a monopoly.

>>490256
Cool you understand definitions of words!!

>>490258
It is something I pride myself on, although it comes with this unsightly lump from where I forcefully inserted all 20 volumes of the Oxford English Dictionary into my head.

>>490252
>>490256
but again, how do monopolies form? how do they get that capital that distinguishes them from the competition? i'm trying to make you think, here.

>>490263
through the working of the market .. small capital is swallowed by big capital.

Look at the wave of M&A in the 1980s and the rise of private equity over the last decade.

>>490271

I'm not just talking about recently, this is more of a historical frame, how is it that a corporation thrives in the first place?

>>490263
Provide a product that becomes so ubiquitous that it almost becomes a necessity and then remove all ability for the innovations of another company to supplant this product.

Think back when Microsoft was going to force Windows users to use Internet Explorer, making it so their operating system wouldn't support any other web browser. If I'm correct in remembering, they were sued by Netscape for monopolization. They created a platform that is used by the vast majority of personal computers around the world, then created an internet browser but configured the platform so that it would only use their product, hence removing all ability for other software companies to compete with their own internet browsing software.

>>490279
By providing a service that people will want to purchase in exchange for currency. Usually a necessity for living which will always be in demand (food/water/electricity/etc) or a desirable luxury (cars/consumer electronics/fashionable clothing/etc).

Innovation in the provision, advertising and quality of these services comes when multiple companies are providing the same service, they need to improve their own service or make it seem more desirable than the service of their competitors in order to continue to profit.

/lit/ has rules. You just broke #4.

saged and reported

>>490289
>>490280

>and then remove all ability for the innovations of another company to supplant this product.
This guy was the closest.


Protip - Research corporatism and or creditalism until you can distinguish it from capitalism.

The more you know!

>>490303
>look up "creditalism", never heard of the word before
>find all kinds of links to conspiracy sites and currency cranks - and also 4chan, which is #9 on Google ...

>>490320

>doesn't know what creditalism is
>reply with obvious strawman

So glad I could have a civilized informative discussion on a supposedly intellectual open minded board. I think I'm done for the night...

Stop raging guys. It's just one extreme, like communism.
All you should take from it is that people who work have to be encouraged to keep working, that is welfarers have to have a signicficantly lower standard of living than working people.

>>490323
>reply with obvious strawman

where's the strawman ... just reporting what i found on google, links to information about the illuminati and blogs telling you how to survive the financial crash by abandoning "creditalism"

...

>>490303
>Protip - Research corporatism and or creditalism until you can distinguish it from capitalism.

implying corporations aren't capitalist

Book contains her interesting philosophical views. However, upon closer examination, her philosophy seems poorly thought out and juvenile. Her shitty prose in service of a horribly fantastical melodrama which serves to play out her domination fantasies only reinforces the perception that she's a stupid little girl who really likes guys who can put a bitch in her place with a firm slap.

Objectivism is like Libertarnianism, with all the common sense, communal decency and economic logic removed.

You've really got to see it for what it is. A whiny bitch who gets turned on by bro's kicking sand in faces of nerds and taking what they want, when they want, and all else be fucked.

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>>490303
>von Hayek
Oh wow. What's next. Friedman? Rothbard? von Mises?
More ideological and flawed cunts?

>>490350
>implying you know anything about capitalism outside of michael moore films

>>490408
>implying butthurt

>>490437
>my definition of capitalism is different to everyone else's

This thread proves that Rule #4 of /lit/ just paints a big red target on it for /b/ trolls to mention Rand every two seconds.

The worst of this is that it causes more people to read her works, some of which grow the Randroid population. That's something decent citizens should not want.

>>490437
>Implying you know about Michael Moore films, potentially forgetting his slightly better literature
>Implying you know about capitalism outside of Ayn Rand's writing

i just finished the fountainhead and i liked it
i like howard roark because he has integrity, talent, and passion for his work...the opposite of everyone who hates ayn rand's writing (what a surprise)

>>490511
You know who listens to the rules? The new /b/...Do you know why? They are a bunch of normalfags

>>490520
>i like howard roark because he's a rapist and a terrorist

fix'd

>>490520
>Senseless generalisation.
You would like to pretend everyone who disagrees with you is stupid, but that only makes you very foolish indeed.

Ayn Rand is fucking retarded, because 90% of anything is pure shit, and this is a universal law.

You can choose the best most wealthy and attractive people in the world, and put them in a big brother house. 90% of them will be shitty, always, no exceptions.

>>490622
why does it have to be that way

>>490623
there's no reason, it just works usually when there's people involved http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle