/lit/ - Literature

>>4888641
I can't think of one. Laziness maybe?

Same reason I don't smear myself in tapioca and tap-dance naked to work in the morning. The thought never occurs.

Because I don't know where you are.

i do not consider myself, or believe any one person, should have the authority to make such a decision.

>>4888647
I guess that's as good a reason as any.

>>4888654
Never? Not even once?

>>4888658
That's not a very good reason.

>>4888659
Why not?

>>4888654
but, now that the thought has came up...

>would you ever smear yourself in tapioca and tap-dance naked to work in the morning?

>>4888663
>Never? Not even once?

By 'the thought occurring' I mean 'The formation of an earnest desire'. So I suppose to clarify I should say: Because I never really want to.

>>4888664

Good Lord, no. I have virtually no sense of rhythm.

>>4888641
Doesn't get me hard enough.

>>4888663
because i am not a self-righteous faggot.

>>4888641

I have dreams. If I was to kill people it wouldn't be anyone I know or random civilians but rapists, murders, animal farmers in china and such. I'd make it my mission to hurt those who hurt others.

equality of retribution

I would have said there is no reason, but recently I've read Plato's Republic. Doing so would violate the principle of the 'form of the good', which I am currently striving for.

>>4888641

I don't hate most people. I don't think I know anyone who has caused me so much pain that I would wnat them dead. Most of those I really hated at points I pity more then I hate them. For some moments when I really feel hateful towards someone, the reason I don't kill them is that I fear the stigma from my friends and family. Also the state could fuck up my life pretty bad. But mostly I fear losing people I like/love.

>>4888674
basically what i just said

>tfw i am plato

>>4888665
That's probably a better reason.

I'm asking because I've on many occasions thought about it, and can't think of one. I'm worried that the only thing stopping me is lack of opportunity so far.

>>4888664
>>4888669
Same here.

>>4888670
Murder doesn't have to be sexual.

>>4888671
If I was to kill someone it wouldn't be because I consider myself to be more right than them.

>>4888672
Vigilante, Death Note sort of thing?

Why not just kill a random stranger who's life you know nothing about and won't be caught because of it?

>>4888678
So it's mostly due to the stigma attached to it? No actual moral arguments?

>>4888641
No upper body strength.

If I could kill everybody on the planet instantly and at exactly the same time I would.

>you need a reason to not kill people

>>4888686
Not necessary really.

>>4888687
Why only in this scenario?

>>4888689
Why is that strange?

i dont want to

>>4888694
>Not necessary really.
poisoning's for grills anon

>>4888685
if you are going to kill someone you'd need a reason implicit of your sense of superiority over them, either that or you are implying sociopathy. i cannot relate to either hence why i do not kill. you're an edgy faggot for the latter, and a pussy on the former.

>only reason to kill is in the defence of one's self and property.

>>4888706
These things called guns exist anon.

>>4888707
What if I just want to do it out of boredom? Not attaching anything meaningful to it, not looking for some spiritual enlightenment or profit out of it.

Just doing it?

I've been domesticated.

>>4888694
>Why only in this scenario?
One second everyone is doing their own thing and the next everyone is gone. Nobody feels pain and nobody cries about it.

But then again animals locked inside people's houses would probably starve so may be not :(

>>4888712
>These things called guns exist anon.
if i wanted to be loud i'd get a chainsaw

>>4888715
What would be your reason for killing in this case? And would you be one of the people dying so as not to feel pain from seeing everyone else die?

>>4888717
Get a knife then.

>>4888715
>tfw thousands of kitties will be meowing to no one

:(

>>4888712
again, that would be a sociopath disregardance of the norm and i simply cannot relate to that.

>i am too busy to consider even being an edgy faggot

>>4888720
>Get a knife then.
back to upper body strength. twice as likely to be stabbed with your own, you know

>>4888712
>What if I just want to do it out of boredom?

Well, they say charity begins at home. Why not murder?

Maybe you should kill an animal to see if you like the taste of killing. I had to once and found it very unpleasant.

But, since empathy is an important factor in moral considerations, then assuming that you don't want to simply remove morality from your considerations, then you should kill an animal that you care about. So if you have a pet, try killing that (I suppose if you don't have a pet then you should get one, come to care for it as best you can and then kill it).

>>4888734
You can stab sleeping people, or go kill coma patients. There's always someone.

>>4888732
So you're calling me an edgy faggot because I don't necessarily agree with society?

>>4888737
Watching my grandfather kill my favourite bunny as a kid didn't really move me, does that mean I'm a lost cause?

>>4888720
>What would be your reason for killing in this case?
To end suffering.

>And would you be one of...
No because I know it's coming. I would spend the rest of my life in purgatory for doing what I did.

>>4888721
>tfw hundreds of nuclear reactors going critical in a few months/years
Maybe revise the kill list to include every sentient being.

>>4888740
>Watching my grandfather kill my favourite bunny as a kid didn't really move me, does that mean I'm a lost cause?

No idea. But it doesn't seem relevant. Kill your pet, or get one and kill it, that's all I can recommend.

For me at least, the idea of killing another is all-consuming, and once an intention to that end is set in stone, all other aspects of life build around it. There is a kill "threshold" of sorts, and beyond it rational thought does not occur, and very little other than the idea of killing exists (as far as I know). I do not consider myself all too rational, but I know enough to not become bound to things, at least in striving to answer fundamental questions.

I'm a real swell guy

>>4888685

Killing another person has not come into my mind in any other situation than in an overly emotional one. I never were in any situation I had or wanted to.

I doubt anyone really has an rational ideal willingly put unto himself. Those behaviours are governed by emotion. I feel empathy.

ALso If you would think pragamtially about it, there is a very limited spectrum of problems, which are solved by murder.

>>4888740
>You can stab sleeping people, or go kill coma patients. There's always someone.
them being asleep doesn't affect the force necessary for death, and would more likely delay exsanguination. you're terrible at planning a murder

>>4888740
i believed my insult clear but i was suggesting that your alleged 'want to kill' stems from your need of attention or from your excess of free time.

this has nothing to with with any disagreement with society you believe yourself to have.

>yes, you are an edgy faggot

>>4888746
now THIS guy is an edgy faggot.

>>4888742
My question was, would you kill yourself too so as to not feel the pain, which you said would be a problem for others.

You could always take care of all the cats and live as their king or something.

>>4888742
Nuclear reactors are programmed to turn off by themselves if somethings going wrong these days.

>>4888744
Yeah I figured. This is just theoretical btw, just trying to reason my way out of these ideas really.

>>4888747
In this scenario the murder doesn't really have to solve anything. It's just done.

>>4888751
Slitting someone's throat requires almost no strength at all you moron.

>>4888753
If I tell no one of the murder and no one else ever finds out about it then how would I be satisfying some need for attention as you suggest?

Doing something out of an excess of free time isn't exactly the worst, hardly makes me edgy.

>>4888763
Oh man oh man not again

i don't think that the "thrill of the knife" would be worth the possible consequences. i could end up in jail, traumatized, or something else.

basically the desire doesn't outweigh the risks.

>>4888766
>Slitting someone's throat requires almost no strength at all you moron.
if they're in a coma the hospital probably already did that for them dumbfuck

>>4888641
I have objectives I've created for myself. The cost/risk ratio of killing people to achieve those goals has not even come remotely close to worth it. So my soul remains unblemished of that sin. For now.

I never think about other people. I barely think about myself either.

Because then they might kill me.

>>4888766
If there was a button to kill every sentient being including myself instantly, I wouldn't be able to press it. I don't want to kill myself.

If there was a button to kill every sentient being excluding myself instantly then I could press comfortably press it since it would cause only a reasonably justified amount of pain (my own) and prevent unimaginable suffering.

I could not take care of all of the cats, as I don't know where they are all located and would likely not be able to reach them before they starved.

>>4888770
So it's just the legal and stigma cost that stops you?

>>4888776
Yes. The hospital slit their throat and killed them that's why they're in a coma. A fucking tracheostomy doesn't kill people.

>>4888778
Again, so it's just the risk of being caught?

>>4888784
That's probably the best answer so far.

>>4888788
So essentially fear?

>>4888796
So your reason for killing people would be to stop them from having to suffer being alive?

>>4888802
>Yes. The hospital slit their throat and killed them that's why they're in a coma. A fucking tracheostomy doesn't kill people.
it impedes my killing them

>>4888763
but then again
>>4888672
>>4888737
>>4888712
offer a keen edge

>>4888802
>So essentially fear?
Yes. I am afraid to die more than anything.

>>4888766
yes, because of the attention the scare would cause in the community. not everything is direct.

yes,yes it is the worst. do something worthwhile, faggot
>inb4 what's the point, it means nothing
>inb4 dat sharp edge

>>4888802
not so much the legal or stigma as much as i've never had the desire. why would i risk so much on something i have no desire to do? it's like if you wagered your life so you could go to a paper plate factory.

I couldn't make it through med school.

>>4888796
>going on about the fucking cats
Let's just say the switch killed every living thing, no suffering, and you remained well-fed off of frozen foods

>>4888813
best place to study sociopaths outside prison

>>4888819
No, that would be 4chan.

>>4888814
and kitty food and fresh litter regularly for all the kitties until they go feral?

>>4888826
4chan is little boys on energy drinks--nothing special

>>4888819
i loved prison, best cock of my....i mean....

>>4888802
>So your reason for killing people would be to stop them from having to suffer being alive?
Not exactly. It would be to eliminate the possibility of suffering. Even if life was pure bliss from beginning to end I think this would be a reasonable decision to make.

>>4888826
No, I'm being serious; they're the two major cohorts studied.

>>4888807
What about in a scenario where you would be sure not to die and no harm would come to you from doing so?

>>4888810
If no one finds out, there is no trace of the person and no one thinks of it at all, then no scare would spread in the community.

What makes killing someone less worthwhile than something else?

>>4888812
If there was no risk, then would you?

>>4888833
So, let's say you were in charge of the world's entire nuclear stockpile and could in theory with the press of a button wipe out all life on earth, you would do it?

>>4888641
because i believe in a jewish sky daddy who will condemn me to an eternity in hell.

im already going there for touching my own pee pee

God loves his children

>>4888812
>>4888838
maybe. i think it depends on the circumstance.

>>4888802
Objectives guy. Risk was the wrong word. There has never been a compelling situation where my objectives would have benefited from the act of murder. Or at least benefited in such a way that warranted the effort, less the risk. The effort would have detrimented me less than any potential benefit. Not to mention the emotional stress it would cause. It just has never made sense, on any level. Maybe someday it will make sense to commit a certain murder.

>>4888654
cmon now, don't lie, everyone has thought of killing another at least once in their life.

>>4888850
There is a person, who you've never met before. They have no family, no friends, they don't know you either. IF you did it, no one would ever find out.
What stops you?

>>4888852
So overall it's like saying that the energy required is too large for the benefit it would bring?

>>4888784
so you are egoless then.

>>4888845
No that's not killing everybody at the same time or instantly. Undoubtedly one or more people would realize what was happening and suffer a great deal because of it.

Don't want to.

>>4888859
Yes. Conciseness has never been my strong suit.

>>4888854
There is no metric for this and I honestly doubt it. I never have, but it's not like I can prove it.

inb4 the fact that I said I haven't is proof enough

>>4888672
you are stooping to their level mate, you are no better then them.

>>4888838
so no one would be like "hey, where's jenny?" you are completely deluded.

your next point: because killing someone is not productive. and, if you think it is that goes back to the value of life, of which i believe myself not worthy to declare one's worth and right to life.

>>4888672
>intentions over object in terms of an immoral decision
Classic

>>4888859
because i would probably traumatize myself and i would be wasting any potential effect me and the person i killed could have on the world by killing them.

>>4888838
>What about in a scenario where you would be sure not to die and no harm would come to you from doing so?
My religion teaches me such scenarios do not exist.

>>4888831
heheh you're so funny anon

>>4888641
Getting caught innit?

>>4888865
Okay that's fair.
>>4888875
It can be a relative-less, homeless man living in the most remote place on earth. Doesn't have to be your best friend from school.

And what makes something productive? Just producing something for the sake of it because otherwise you're being worthless?

>>4888877
So it's the emotional damage to your own psyche that mostly stops you

>>4888879
So the harm that you're scared of is religious?

>>4888891
yeah i guess so. i think that witnessing death has a strong effect on people.

>>4888890
That's the only reason? Because from this thread it seems that that's the reason people tend to think is it, but really there's some way more fundamental block.

>>4888893
Yeah I definitely agree. Started the thread to see what everyone has to say on this though, seems worthwhile so far because it's shown me most people have never really considered this fully.

>>4888898
you made me stop and think about it, so you did good imo.

>>4888891
and how would you know that unless you've previously stalked them? that goes beyond mere a senseless act of boredom and dwells into hobby; sociopathy. you're running in circles, anon.

and, yes, that is the definition of production; you're just too much of an edgy autist to understand the value of production.

>>4888902
Humour me, in this scenario you just know. So what stops you then?

So if I can make something that won't be used by anyone, and will never be seen by anyone, am I still productive if I make this for all my life? Is there really such a positive coming out of it?

>>4888898
>That's the only reason?
Yes.

>>4888909
if it is no longer being used how would that be productive?

you are playing off of a mistake i made, implying that production=being productive, without actually defending your initial point.

I have developed these talents called empathy and imagination. I see that another person is, essentially, like I am regardless of IQ or physical ability. They are the result of many years of accumulated experiences, both their own and other people's experience of them. Their deaths would have a ripple effect on everyone who knew them.

To kill someone against their will is the ultimate destruction of a person's freedom, and who am I to take that from someone when I do not want to be prematurely killed myself?

It's too cruel to contemplate.

Also I don't want to go to jail.

>>4888920
I appreciate the thought, anon, but I think most of the thread has abandoned the idea of empathy and is only looking towards infraction to self. You're right, though

>>4888912
What if there was a way where you definitely won't get caught, won't have any repercussions. Would you do it then?

>>4888917
You just agreed with me that just producing something for the sake of it is production, and you said that I should understand the value of production and now you're telling me that being productive doesn't involve production. make up your mind instead of avoiding the question, since I can only assume you can't answer it?

>>4888920
That's fine, I'm not saying we should be killing people or that I have no empathy and imagination, I'm just asking why on a basic level, you feel that that you shouldn't do so. For you this seems to be that you don't think you have the right to choose who lives and who dies.

>>4888927
Sometimes I get this disturbing feeling that someone from /lit/ is going to be the next Stalin or Hitler.

>>4888939
Or John Wayne Gacy Jr.

>>4888939
That's more likely to be the product of /pol/ my friend.

>>4888641
Jail.
That's it.

>>4888934
did you not read the part where i wrote that i made a mistake? you really are autistic, only reading excerpts that benefit your argument

>production does not equal being productive!

now, other than satisfying your own sociopathic tendencies, what benefits would killing an assumed productive member of society?

>>4888920
>>4888927
me, personally, i do not care about individuals but rather society as a whole. but, i too agree with you guys.

>>4888948
So " if there was a way where you definitely won't get caught, won't have any repercussions" you would do it?

>>4888953
Well according to you not all people are productive members of society, so would I be correct to say that killing someone who refuses to be productive would be beneficial since it'd free up resources?

And still haven't answered my question. Nice avoiding.

>>4888939
You give us way too much credit.

>>4888934
>What if there was a way where you definitely won't get caught, won't have any repercussions. Would you do it then?
If it served my interests.

>>4888967
Okay, thank you for being straightforward.

>>4888971
No problem, officer.

I won't be able to read my books in a psych ward or prison

>>4888984
psych hospitals and prisons actually tend to encourage reading

>>4888958
firstly, i never said all people are productive though not all people are; i'll say it now. however, who is anyone of us to determine whether they are worthy of life? that is the philosophic trend whereto you've attempted to curtail this conversation.

what i said was that, if you needlessly want to kill someone, you are a sociopath.
>so what sops you then? (sic)
that is what is stopping me, and other non-sociopaths. our inability to relate to edgy sociopaths. does that answer your question?

>being edgy on the internet
why dont you go kill yourself

I don't want to go to jail.

>>4888988

Strongly depends on the individual place of incarceration. Regardless, you will have to read whatever books they are willing to provide, and not your own.

Because I have no reason to.

because i can separate fantasy from reality

fantasies are valuable insights but they have no bearing on what something would actually be like

for example, you might have a fantasy of killing or raping someone, and it feels cathartic and good. this is the fantasy that feels good. the actual act of murder or rape is a very very different thing and will make you feel very different then you think it might.

>>4888989
So all you had to say is that you don't feel like you're worthy of having the power over someone else's life.

>edgy sociopath

just give up with this crap.

>>4889000
>edgy
lel

>>4889005
I guess it depends on the country too. In Norway I'm sure you could get Amazon deliveries to your cell if you wanted to.

>>4889024
Until you do it, how can you be sure it will feel different?

I lack the innate inclination to do it, and also I understand what is the necessary mode of action for all people for our species to maintain its success and longevity. Sticks and stones put pricks in thrones.

>>4889033
being "sure" is not what is important. what you have is literally a fantasy and it has value to that end. but any fantasy made literally real, whether it's dropping out of school or fucking your mother, is necessarily different from how you imagined it, because, surprise surprise, you are no longer the one in control once you put it out into the world. fantasies are not about the content - this is a misunderstanding. they are must be understood analytically, which is to say, metaphorically or symptomatically.

sorry if im not being clear, i have done a lot of work with this topic and its hard to distill into "plain english" and still be effective

>>4889044
You're fucking stupid.

>>4889004
but you can get away with murder if you're not dumb as shit

Kill yourself instead you edgy faggot.

>>4889044

Dubs confirms truth.

>>4889053

>wanting to propel humanity
>stupid

You poor soul.

Because the one that kills is more cowardly than the victim

>>4889054
The disturbance of one's peace of mind at the risk of getting caught is enough to refrain from it.

>>4888641
What the hell is wrong with you?

i don't wanna

>>4889051
No I totally get what you're saying, but the original argument was a bit different.

I wasn't saying that I'd kill someone because I fantasised about it, but rather why would I not kill someone.

Just what should stop me from doing so on what I guess you could call a whim.

>>4889055
I love how this board can't even handle basic questions and yet it likes to pretend to be enlightened all the time.

>>4889063
Not saying it's what I think, but some could argue that killing off a portion of our species could in fact help the rest to advance quicker. What about that?

>>4889065
I don't see what cowardice has to do with this.

>>4889069
Nothing. What's wrong with you?

>>4889063
Wanting to propel humanity isn't stupid, what you think propelling humanity is is.

You stupid fuck.

>>4889076
oh okay I was responding as if you were being for real. that's obviously an inane question. i guess it gets a rise out of some people though which is what you're going for. so have fun with that.

>ur edgy!

Fucking beta faggots. Being edgy is a good thing.

>>4888641
Because I haven't had enough of a good reason to do so.

I think that given the right circumstances and proper incentives, I would.

Getting gang-raped by niggers in prison for the rest of my life.

Hey OP I found your video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmmGR-jsk9s

>>4889065
>tfw you catch a perfect display of slave morality in the wild

>>4888641
Because I'm a preference utilitarian and it's unethical.

>>4889091
I don't see how it is inane. Everyone at some level has their own reasoning but I'd like to know what each person thinks about this.

The amount of people who don't want to answer at all only makes it seem like they can't think about it for themselves, and never have.

Shouldn't we be critical of everything?

>>4889096
Thanks, any idea what the incentives would be?

>>4889098
Don't have to get caught.

>>4889102
I must be cutting edge edgy m8

>>4889076
>>>4889069 (You)
>Nothing. What's wrong with you?
Nothing. That's why I don't kill people.

>>4889113
Empathy and ethics.

>>4889113
>Thanks, any idea what the incentives would be?

Self preservation, preservation of people I know would be the top incentives.
If I'm wronged in a very bad manner (as in, someone fucking my gf after killing my dog and burning down my house) and I had reasonably good chances of getting away with it, I would definitely torture and then kill said person. I know I'd probably lose it and do it, I used to torture animals as a kid and it was extremely pleasurable for me. I'd most likely then kill myself, though, I always felt guilty as shit afterwards, I imagine it would be 100 times worse with a man.

>>4889119
So your explanation of why killing is wrong is that it's wrong?

>>4889125
Ethics stemming from?

>>4889128
Society and my own reasoning.

>>4889127
Interesting. I've never tortured or killed any animals or anything, but I would say that if I was wronged in some severe way then I'd also have no problems with torturing and killing someone out of revenge.

I would feel bad about it

>also I am not a teenager trying to show off how "psychopathic" and dark I am

>>4889132
So you wouldn't want to do it because it's not accepted in your society? What's your own reasoning?

I'm not pestering you with questions, just want to go deeper.

>>4889136
Why would you feel bad about it? That's the entire point of this thought

>>4889139

Not that guy, but I believe what is right or ethical is what maximizes pleasure/minimizes pain. Why would ethics have to come from something or some idea of what is "socially acceptable"? It seems pretty logical that another human being's ability to feel pain should be enough of a reason.