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4879202 No.4879202[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

why is this considered one of the greatest works of art ever?

it's just a bunch of flowers

>> No.4879206

>>4879202
why are u posting
ure just a fagot

>> No.4879210

cuz u can smoke flowers

>> No.4879230

personally speaking, it goves me a pleasant feeling

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4879243

All the shit is dumb lol.

>> No.4879244

>>4879230
looked to me like they were dying

>> No.4879248

>>4879202
Because nearly all of the great names in art we know and love today have been part of a great conspiracy that still exists today. Through masterful marketing techniques they're able to trick the credulous and wealthy culture vultures into thinking these "works of art" are masterpieces worth millions of dollars. In reality, it's, as you said, just a bunch of flowers. The hidden meaning, the message, is the marketing ploy. That said, this isn't the case with all art. There are some truly beautiful and awe-inspiring pieces, some of which are capable of changing the way we look at the world. This surely isn't one of them.

>> No.4879252

>>4879248
spot on

>> No.4879265

>>4879202
Because fuck everyone else. If you don't like it who gives a shit.

>> No.4879267

>>4879248
B-but he suffered, he was deep and tortured u-um suicide.. death, d-depth.

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>>4879248
van gogh sold one painting in his lifetime for 400 francs, he was not part of a conspiracy to make millions. that said, i prefer this version

i will post some more, hopefully they will change your mind

>> No.4879280

>>4879244
well now all I can think about is dead flowers.

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>>4879278

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>>4879287

>> No.4879295

Nobody said that art is objective. I don't like neither Joyce nor(frankly) Lolita, but I understand that they have changed literature.
In the same way, I don't like Dvorak nor Debussy, but I still understand their importance.

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>>4879289

>> No.4879298

>>4879248
please go back to whatever shit hole you came

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>>4879297

>> No.4879303

>>4879297
Nice Iron Rangers

>> No.4879304
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>>4879301

>> No.4879309 [DELETED] 

>>4879307
oops, refinement*

>> No.4879326

Spoken like a true peasant

>> No.4879328
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I assume you would be a fan of abstract art then?

>> No.4879335

>>4879304
his landscapes always remind me of lsd. i wonder if he had some sort of natural, psychedelically skewed perception

>> No.4879353

>>4879202
It was how van Gogh experienced the flowers in front of them...I have never seen anyone before him paint sunflowers quite like this and it's unique in it's time, this type of painting style did not exist before it.
It's not just a bunch of flowers, it's Van Gogh's experience of those flowers and how he painted them.
Would you be able to explain to an alien species what a human experience is of seeing flowers?
Let alone a deranged human experience?

If you like it is a second question, but your dismissal sounds a lot like looking at a text and just dismissing if for 'just a bunch of words'.

>> No.4879363

The value is about the intimacy it evokes between us and the painter.

>> No.4879369

Sunflower = The inception of reality
Dead Sunflower = End of that reality
He was thinking of suicide.

>> No.4879374

>>4879353
>Van Gogh's experience of those flowers

van gogh isn't considered an impressionist painter

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>>4879335
mane i no it

>> No.4879380

>>4879374
He is generally grouped into the post-impressionists. Who were still impressionists.

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>>4879374
Rembrandt isn't an impressionist, but all paintings with models and objects in front of them are influenced by their experience of them while painting...it's not a 1:1 copy.

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I'm surprised no one has posted this one.

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4879392

>>4879353
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Oak_Tree

>> No.4879401

>>4879392

Fair point, but that guy is not a painter thus he has no clue how to represent the experience of things in front of them with canvas and paint...so there is nothing to base level of craft involved since it's lazy.

Skill is something you can measure, especially in paint.

>> No.4879409

The only art that ever truly impressed me was Gala Contemplating the Mediterranean Sea which at Twenty Meters Becomes the Portrait of Abraham Lincoln.

>take off my glasses
>at last I truly see

>> No.4879420

Plebs think good art is the level of shock and awe.

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>>4879409
This?

>> No.4879430

I know nothing about fine art so I don't tend to judge works on anything but a personal basis. I think admiration is best served this way if you're a pleb.

The problem is a) getting people to admit this, and b) getting people to accept that there exists schools of thought which will consider fine art (or lit or film etc etc) with specific reasons that you never will.

Is Van Gogh a revered artist? I always assumed he was a popular artist.

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>>4879409
I've been to Florence, Italy.
This was supposed to be the great stagnation of art historically...according to the most influential art critics almost the death of art.

I was weeping almost non-stop as I walked through the Uffizi Gallery.

>> No.4879438

>>4879425
Yes. Dali was, I think, the only artist having fun with art.

>> No.4879441

>>4879430

No, no...Van Gogh beats the shit out of all of his contemporaries, but was completely glossed by galleries and even his brother for popularity and profit.

The guy is strangely underrated as a draughtsman because most people don't really have an understanding of painting...but to his contemporaries he was already known to be truly great.

>> No.4879447

>>4879438
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EycMdz4fC0w

You mean the guy that stood trail for being such a massive sell-out in front of his fellow surrealists and then proceeded to sell-out even harder?

>> No.4879452

>>4879202

I don't know. That's why I read literature, cause I can tell that. But one thing I know from experience is that you start out even in lit not knowing what good really means and you figure it out through reading and theory and history. I'm sure it's the same with art. There's obviously a reason. As much as people think art critics are circle jerking faggots, they don't like things for no reason, especially with such a large consensus. Critics are less scared then you think about pointing out they think something is shit.

>> No.4879455

>>4879438
>>4879438
Random anecdote:
An old spanish whore wrote in her memories, a couple years ago, that she saw Dalí fucking the corpse of a duck

http://www.elmundo.es/suplementos/cronica/2009/695/1234047613.html

>El artista y su diabólico bigote hicieron su entrada rodeado de un grupo de impresionantes mujeres -altas y rubias- a las que llamaba las suecas y a quienes pedía que lo aclamaran junto a la plantilla del San Mario: «Divino, llamadme divino». Era la época en la que pintaba el Cristo crucificado, la del Dalí más excéntrico, aunque Lydia nunca imaginó que tanto. «Tráigame un pato», dispuso un firme y casi sexagenario Salvador Dalí tras sentarse en uno de los sillones del local. Cuando uno de los lacayos del pintor regresó con el animal -vivo- la joven quedó tan horrorizada que abandonó la estancia y se marchó al piso de arriba. Las suecas cogieron el pato y lo inmovilizaron con fuerza sobre una mesa mientras una de ellas desabrochaba a Dalí los pantalones. Le dieron un cuchillo al maestro y este lo usó para cortarle el cuello al bicho justo cuando lo penetraba. Disfrutaba con los estertores del pobre animal.

>> No.4879461

>>4879447
You marx babbies always amuse me, the second money comes into the equation you become rabid faggots.

>> No.4879472

>>4879461
Marxist, I'm a cis-gendered storm-weenie /pol/-tard capitalist white male privileged...thing.
I'm just literally telling you what happened with Dali and the surrealists.

Someone's art history is lacking...bet you don't even know what happened when an impoverished Buñuel asked to borrow some money from his millionaire friend Dali.

Wait, I bet you don't even know who Buñuel is.

>> No.4879474

>>4879472
Tell me about the Bunuel. Why does he put the squiggly over the n?

>> No.4879480

>>4879472
Why would I care about some poorfag?

>> No.4879491

>>4879480
Most cultured board of 4chan everyone!

>> No.4879497
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4879497

fuck it, this thread is now a visual arts appreciation/discussion thread

>> No.4879505

>>4879480
Kids go to /b/. GTFO.

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>>4879497
deal!

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appreciation?
where's muh rausch?
where's muh extasy?

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4879517

Hey guys, check it out!...it's shota-Spinoza!

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>> No.4879529

>tfw that Doctor who episode where he sees his paintings in a museum

>> No.4879532
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>> No.4879533

>>4879523
the evangelion of /lit/

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>>4879497
titian/10

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4879539

in during balthus

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>>4879533
>the evangelion of /lit/

A guy sucking another guy off and a naked giant boy looking on.

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>> No.4879550

>>4879548
why is saturn so cruel?

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would appreciate pre-modernist works particularly (and lets keep the art-nouveau shite to minimum, butterthighs will smell the stench and ruin it as per usual)

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>> No.4879563

The art scene is just a bunch of pretentious rich faggots throwing their money around arbitrarily.

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>> No.4879566

>>4879563
how do i profit from this?

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>> No.4879574

>>4879566
feign a mental illness and draw random shapes

>> No.4879575

>>4879563
yes let's just create weapons that's what we need hurrr stem majors

>> No.4879577
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>>4879563
Partly...it's a micro-economy fueled by different factions with different interests all trying to maintain the scam for as long as possible.

The rich people throwing their money around are either in on the scam or totally oblivious and conned into buying this stuff to appear pretentious.

...but...they do preserve the stuff, imagine how well the world's art be off hanging in the house of some pauper.

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>>4879577
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_and_Dorothy_Vogel

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>>4879573
mary is such a qt in his paintings

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>>4879583
>merchantface.jpg

Meanwhile on bizarro /pol/...

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>> No.4879596

Why is religious art so edgy?

I guess we know who's truly wearing the fedoras.

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>> No.4879605
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The expression is what gets me. Christ is truly human here.

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>>4879596
I've always wondered what atheism did for classical art except systematically try to eliminate it by discrediting it as relevant...walking through church is like walking through an art gallery.
The church employed the greatest artists of history and commissioned them to make masterpieces when no one was interested in employing them.

>> No.4879607

>>4879335
I just thought the exact same thing when i saw that image

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>>4879605
>merchantface.jpg

the hands, it's uncanny.

>> No.4879613

>>4879606
That's what Scientology does in Hollywood.

Interesting.

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>>4879613
wait, explain...I don't think I'm getting that.

>> No.4879617

>>4879596
I know you are shitposting with buzzwords but I am baffled as to what you find edgy about the works posted here thus far.
Religion really did fuel art for a long time with patronage and one should read the Bible irrespective of their own personal beliefs in order to understand two millennia of cultural references.

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4879619

>Martyrdom of /tv/

>> No.4879620

>>4879616
The parallel is the Church recruits artists to create their propaganda.

>> No.4879623

>>4879617
The artists fueled religion. You have it backwards.

Now Christian art is a Kirk Cameron movie.

>> No.4879625

>>4879558
Whats the backstory here?

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>>4879605
the hair on his right side bugs me. /lit/ seems to love that painting though

>> No.4879629

>>4879617
Making violence elegant is edgy.

>> No.4879630
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>>4879620
...but scientology doesn't pay 'artists'...actors have to pay money to scientology and get paid by Hollywood.

>> No.4879634

>>4879630
So, they're smarter.

>> No.4879635

so much middlebrow

>> No.4879638

>>4879617
Yeah you really have to read the bible to understand all the allusions in the western canon religious texts were the primordial attempts at fantasy and fan fiction. It's like starting with the Greeks only in literature! It's great!

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This piece I find to be quaint and nostalgic. I get many feels from it.

>> No.4879646

>>4879638
Isn't it

>> No.4879647

>>4879641
what if i told you that it shows the last moment before a suicide?

>> No.4879649

>>4879647
then it gains depth and additional interest

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>>4879635
then contribute u shit

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>>4879634

w-what...are you soft of mind?

The artists commissioned by the church were not forced to be a spokesperson for the church, some of them were gay, murderers, suspected heathens and atheists.

Your parallels are just collapsing.

also,
>>4879647
>Beware the Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog

>> No.4879657

>>4879248
Except this isn't tricking the wealthy. The wealthy perpetuate the value of these creations to create a safe investment of their funds that will never decrease in value.

>> No.4879659

>>4879654
Now you just said Scientology has stricter morals than the Christian church.

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>> No.4879676

>>4879374
Is post-punk still punk? Yes
>>4879380

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>>4879651

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>>4879680
how old are you kid

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>>4879669
>that smirk

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>> No.4879696

>>4879692
i don't get why caravaggio fucked that ugly kid anyway

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This one has a very fantastical quality, along with a certain delicacy to the composition as a whole.

>> No.4879710

>>4879202
shit, van Gogh can do better

>>4879287
Same here

>>4879289
Thats a better one from him, but the flower blades look strange. Should have put more effort in it then 2 hours, if he didnt wanted to die as a poorfag

>>4879297
Why me sad?

>>4879301
And thats an amazing one, showing why he was a genius if he would just try a bit.

>>4879304
Another great one. Noone before managed to paint wind in such a pure form.

>>4879328
andthatswhyeverythingpaintedafter1950isevenobjectivelyshit.jpg

>>4879378
His interpretion of the olive trees themself is pretty good, the rest of the painting is shit. Van Gogh is often like that.

>>4879384
His most famous one. I like the gif-version more.

>>4879392
Thats not art. Simple as that, no matter how many millions its worth

>>4879432
Religious art like that always look better if you see it for real. Pics never truely capture the feeling

>>4879497
The perspective and illusion of depth is masterfully done here

>>4879506
It combines the Dance of Death and the Italian conception of the Triumph of Death.
Stuff like that was then probably the most horrifying thing that people could imagine, but todays world is too saturated with all imaginery of insanity and hellish agony to really appreciate paintings like that.

>>4879509
Mih Marxist Realism

>>4879517
That looks... unhealthy. And very wrong.

>>4879518
More like the triumph of Bad Taste.

>>4879523
Congratulation on choosing the by far worst Mucha.

>>4879532
You can tell that it was a beta virgin who painted and wrote it (if you can understand german) Muh feminism, muh sexual rejection

>>4879536
Holy fuck Tizian! What the hell are you doing?

>>4879539
Weird painting just for the sake of being weird. Look at Dali, how its done right.

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>>4879696
im not gay butt fuck, i'd give him a poke

anyway im out for the night m8s, here's one 4 u /lit/

>> No.4879728

>>4879248
You know nothing about art nor the art world.

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>>4879738

>> No.4879751

>>4879430
>Is Van Gogh a revered artist?
Yes

>> No.4879753

>>4879710
>Thats not art.
Nice way to make you filtered

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>>4879738

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>>4879710
whats your problem with the flaying of marsyas? tbh its my favourite of his

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>>4879659
That is exactly what I am saying...I quite literally said 'Scientology has stricter morals than the christian church'...but only through a post-modern interpretation, so bonus points go to you.

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>> No.4879766

>>4879757
>andthatswhyeverythingpaintedafter1950isevenobjectivelyshit.jpg
why are you paying this tard any attention?

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>>4879202
It's just bullshit and bullshit. Art should be silent. If you look at music it's a lot harder to be pretentious about it because it can touch your feelings a lot easier. It's harder for art critics to stand there and tell you what to feel because the music can speak for itself. That's how it should be, although pedantics are very resilient.
Just look at this video for example where they are discussing the works of the composer Gustav Mahler. As much as i like Slavoj Zizek, i think this entire debate pointless and ridiculous. Mahler was probably taking a shit when he planned the last section of his 9th symphony.
http://youtu.be/a3V-iNwB01Q

>> No.4879769

This thread is literally a bunch of plebs, wholly uneducated about art, barfing out malformed opinions.

>> No.4879771

>>4879710

>dali

how does it feel knowing that the aesthetically inclined are laughing behind your back

>> No.4879775

>>4879769
rude...

>> No.4879777
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>>4879769
I agree...only you and I TRULY know everything about art...you guys are just plebs.

I'm so glad a fellow patrician came along to same me from these idiots.

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>> No.4879780

>>4879301

Holy shit, this is so fucking dank - just can't get enough of those fractals.

>> No.4879785
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>>4879769
Why Complain, When You Can Explain!

share your insights with us, we humble hoi polloi, or get out

>> No.4879786
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4879786

Start with the ancients

>> No.4879787

>"My painting has more ART in it than yours!"

plebeians everywhere

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>>4879780
what fractals? do you know what fractals are?

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>>4879789
This song would go nice with your fractals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXMemoumliI

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>>4879786

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>>4879769
get out kirk

>> No.4879797

>>4879787
#brecht

>> No.4879799

>>4879780
>Dank, is an adjective which is over-used by people in general and mostly by people trying to appear cool to their stoner friends. Dank means dark, sticky, gooey, and potent. It was originally a common word to describe disgusting basements and caves ect. Then the world of pot took it over and was using it very correctly to describe very potent strains of marijuana, seeing as the definition of dank meets all the qualities you find in good marijuana. Then "squares" and people who wanted to look cool to stoners started using it to describe anything they think is "cool" which in turns makes them believe they themselves are "cool" as well. In reality it makes them seem as illiterate as an ape. M&M's are not dank, chips are not dank, and your clothes are definitely not dank, you need to stop overusing and killing the word.

Learning through each other.

>> No.4879803

>>4879799
Keep up the good fight, fellow StraightXEdger!

>> No.4879805

>>4879542
I know that he is trying to combine eroticism here with the horror of Johannes head and Salome pride, but it doesnt really work

>>4879551
Thats lewd. And great artistry.

>>4879554
Rubens at his very best.

>>4879556
That somehow reminds me of a dream of heroism during the grim reality of WW1 beneath.

>>4879558
Snakes do not look like that.

>>4879565
What happened here? Did she killed herself? Is she drunkenly enjoying herself? Interestingly Tchistovsky always painted females like that.
Great painting, great artist

>>4879568
A fine example of how not to paint a scene: Of course the painter had talent, it takes an eternity to learn to draw ships and waves like that. But then again, the sea in general looks super weird, the sky is mostly clear and friendly and even the seagulls are just an afterthought, because Backhuysen realized thats a storm he is supposed to depict here.

>>4879573
Not a fan of greco, but I can see how others may like it.

>>4879577
Its supposed to be a famous princess, who got gangraped and lynched by the mob during the French Revolution. You would never guess by just looking at the painting, because the people here seem rather upset about the murder. Still great stuff

>>4879586
Thats what happened to the poor folk, who were not rich enough to buy a ticket for Noahs Arch. I guess they deserved to die like that.

>>4879598
And here is what a storm is supposed to look like. Realize the complete opposite to Backhuysens windy sea?

>>4879599
Monet is one of my favourite painters and that is an amazing picture by him, showing all the summer light, the warmth, the vitaly. Though like will all impressionism you have to look at it from afar.

>> No.4879808

>>4879267
What is it with this stottering thing when one tries to make anothers argument look stupid?
Cringe worthy as hell.

Same thing goes for "but muh ..."

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>> No.4879816

>>4879705
Thats Königstein, I live just a few kilometers from that. It an interesting building.

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>>4879816
That's cool, thanks

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Any love for Nordic painters on /lit/?

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>>4879827

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>>4879832

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>>4879833

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>>4879836

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>>4879862

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im out nigz, thanks for the contributions

>> No.4879896

>>4879805
>the sea in general looks super weird, the sky is mostly clear and friendly and even the seagulls are just an afterthought, because Backhuysen realized thats a storm he is supposed to depict here.

how many sea storms have you witnessed yourself?
the sky looks realistic, it's what the beginning of a storm can look like before the front has arrived completely and it starts to rain.

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my favorite

>> No.4880429
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>>4879550
Saturn gets told his own kids will kill him someday, so he tries to eat them, causing the backlash of Jupiter killing him. But who needs Jupiter? Things were supposed to be better in Saturn's time.

>> No.4880448

>>4879295

if you don't like lolita u like the pretty stories in books and not the craft to make them. i bet u wash ur hair with bar soap too

>> No.4880451

>>4879202
That's not flowers that's paint you dingus.

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>>4879297

>> No.4880464

>>4880451
>*mind* *blown*

>> No.4880466

>>4879202

How do you explain why a painting is great?

Look at the colours, the textures, the brush work, the arrangement.

It's just beautiful.

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>>4880466

>> No.4880471

>>4880466
>Look at the colours, the textures, the brush work, the arrangement.

those are just incidental causes, the immediate causes is brain chemistry responding to those inputs.

the inputs are irrelevant really, if we stimulate the brain chemistry directly the same effect arises. Go figure

>> No.4880472

>>4879287

It's funny, you see Van gogh so much, you take for granted how great he is.

Sit down and try to paint that. I mean not a cheap copy either, but actually try and make something so vibrant and alive.

>> No.4880473

>people pretending to understand how the brain works

it's cute

>> No.4880475

>>4879710
>this is the smartest board on 4chan

>> No.4880480

>>4879401

This.

There are a lot of "artists" that reference and question and dissect culture, but there are few artists.

The fact is only very few people can paint like this. How can anyone think Jackson Pollock is on the level of Van Gogh?

Jackson Pollocks greatest work is his caricature of an artist, the impression of an artist he does. He is a great actor.

>> No.4880485

>>4879447

Stop doing the boho dance. You'll never be in the position to learn to accept success gracefully anyway.

>> No.4880488
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>>4880470

>> No.4880489

>>4879771

Dali is the only good surrealist

>> No.4880496

>>4880485
Whats a boho dance?...only a song by Joni Mitchell came up on google:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6ZF6aM98ug

Is this what you want me to do?...dance to this gracefully and accept it if it's successful?

Also, Dali was a FACIST AND SUPPORTED FRANCO...we all know how lefty this board is, so is this enough to hate him now /lit/?

>> No.4880497

>>4880488
aw shit
someone posted Piss Christ

>> No.4880503

>>4880489
You mean the only surrealist you can remember by name?

>> No.4880504
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>>4880489
Just because you like Dali doesn't mean that's true

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>> No.4880512

>>4880507
I like it..

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC2VwtyHEmw

>> No.4880525

>>4879447
>Someone is motivated by money to a greater or lesser degree
>Therefore all of their work is worthless
Sound logic.

>> No.4880530

>>4880525
It is relatively true.

>> No.4880532

>>4880525
I guess you don't really know all that much about the Surrealists and their aims, huh...pleb.

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>>4879710
>Noone before managed to paint wind in such a pure form.
I wasn't aware that Noone was a talented painter too.

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>>4879202

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>>4880583

>> No.4880588

watch the doctor who episode about van gogh.
he had a hard life
and bleeding heart liberal amateur enthusiasts pity him

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>>4880583

>> No.4880592

>>4880583
generic as fuck

>> No.4880596

>>4879374
He called himself a impressionist all the time in his letters to his brother, and really, there wasn't much "after" impressionism at his time.

He did create a rupture in post-impressionism that gave way to expressionism, though, he just didn't knew it

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>>4880588
do you even read?
fuck off to /tv/

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>>4880588
>Watch the Doctor Who episode about Van Gogh.
>He had a hard life, and bleeding heart liberal amateur enthusiasts pity him.

Ftfy

>> No.4880609

>>4880600
>>Watch the Doctor Who episode about Van
>Gogh.
>>He had a hard life, and bleeding heart liberal
>amateur enthusiasts pity him.
>
>>I fixed that for you.
ftfy

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>>4880609
...You spelled out the "ftfy" but then yours wasn't spelled out. I don't get what "fix" you think you made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8EeiMy7Aoo

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>>4880621
> My anus is clenched in rage.
ftfy

>> No.4880643

>>4879202

It's the 12 apostles, the broken one is Judas.

To you today, it's nothing, this painting, but back then, it was like discovering Punk Rock in 1745.

Bright colours, all that stuff. It was unseen.

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thanks for everyone who contributed up until now

>> No.4880660

>>4880448
>i bet u wash ur hair with bar soap too
Jesus Christ, I gotta use this insult often

>> No.4880671
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I'll continue!

>> No.4880675
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>> No.4880679
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>> No.4880682

>>4879303
>no raws

fuckin dropped ilesago jews

>> No.4880684
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>>4880651
how about this
Jasper Johns

>> No.4880685

>>4880684
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!

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>> No.4880705

>>4879728
Why don't you explain further?

>> No.4880706

>>4879202
It's showing flowers in different states of decay and thus life in different stages. It's a visual metaphor for the entirety of human existence.

2deep4u

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>> No.4880713
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>> No.4880718

>>4880679
Creepy as hell

>> No.4880719
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>> No.4880728
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Are we just posting paintings? This one is my favorite.

>> No.4880736

>>4879248
Basically Andy Warhol was just preaching the obvious.

>> No.4880750

>>4880736
https://www.msu.edu/course/ha/240/evacockroft.pdf

http://huffpost.com/us/entry/3156994/

http://gizmodo.com/5686753/how-the-cia-spent-secret-millions-turning-modern-art-into-a-cold-war-arsenal

>> No.4880760

This doesnt look like literature...

>> No.4880764

>>4879517
And of course a clergyman is trying to get in his pants.

>> No.4880797

>>4880750
Whether its art, film, music or drugs all roads lead to the CIA.

>> No.4880811

>>4880797
I like how White Noise and If on a winter's night a traveler passively mention large complex novels featuring coded political messages.

>> No.4880823
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4880823

>>4880641
>Baffle and claim hit target

>>4880760
It's a part of history, culture, the arts that literature is a part of.

>> No.4880838
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This thread is fucking cool.

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>> No.4880861

>>4879248

2/10

>> No.4880864
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>> No.4880869

>>4880507
That's from Goodfellas, right?

>> No.4880873

>>4879335

He probably had epilepsy

>> No.4880874

>>4880507
Oh, I like this one... One dog goes one way, the other dog goes the other way, and this guy's sayin', "Whadda ya want from me?' Guy's got a nice head of white hair, it's beautiful.

>> No.4880882

>>4879626
>levaporwaveface.jpeg

>> No.4880884

>/lit/ - paintings

>> No.4880889

>>4880598
I was suggesting something that might explain the faddish nature of his unparalleled admiration

>> No.4880890

>>4880470
>people shit-talking Piss-christ
That thing is magnificent! Look at the lighting, the composition and that subtle streak of bubbles, I can't believe some fundy tried to destroy it

>> No.4880910

>>4880890
Did you know there was a pretty intense theological debate over whether Jesus defecated? Some religious people don't want to believe it. They seem to miss the ultimately humanistic celebration of their own devotion.

>> No.4880912

>>4880848
>Thread sliding...

>> No.4880918

>>4880884
A similar thread also happened on /v/ a while ago.

>> No.4880928

>>4879202
I honestly don't know. I could do better.

>> No.4880943
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>>4880912
What's wrong with Rothko? We need more abstraction!

>> No.4880948
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>>4880943
That's red. I'd know that colour anywhere.
Good thing Rothko invented it. What would we ever stop our cars to?

>> No.4880958

>>4880848
Rothko was such a hack

>> No.4880959
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4880959

my fave

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>> No.4880966

>>4880890
The composition is really good and almost makes one forget that this is piss. The colours really blend well. The piss evokes blood in a way and makes one think of the suffering Christ endured. At least he wasn't drowned in piss.

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>>4880953
That's a Barnett Newman piece. I think abstract art is really powerful and awe inspiring, but the internet seems to disagree,

>> No.4880973

>>4880943
>We need more abstraction!
God no. Abstract art has to be the most shallow kind of art there is, ironically enough.

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>> No.4880978

>>4880943
>merchantface.jpg

>> No.4880983
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>>4880973
>Abstract art has to be the most shallow kind of art there is
Isn't that porn though?

>> No.4881006

>>4880943
Rothko was all about money and there is very little craft involved. Abstraction is very hit and miss and seems to lack the craft that makes an idea 'art'. A few months ago I was at an exhibition of modern young Brazilian artists in my country and it was very disappointing and crude. One piece was just literally straws strwen across the carpet for fucks sake.

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Do arabesques qualify as abstract art ?

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>>4881021
I would so say.

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Oh wow, you can literally see the abolishment of classical art the second butterfly stepped in...it was fun while it lasted guys!

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>>4881035
I love it all actually. Just balancing it out. And letting it get too Rothko

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>> No.4881047 [DELETED] 

>>4881041
>that's not the point

>> No.4881048

Aww. That's it then.

>> No.4881052

>>4881041
My God, this is beautiful. What is this? I'm even tempted to buy a print of it for my room.

>> No.4881055

>>4881047
>you can literally see the abolishment of classical art the second butterfly stepped in
>I deny the charge. I was only balancing the classical
>That's not the point
How do you figure?

>> No.4881061

>>4881052
Ivan Aivazovsky
Can't find the title atm

>> No.4881075

>>4881055
Your leanings to the left and your leanings to the jewish just pour out of your tastes and comments...of course you'd defend a Rothko in a thread with nothing but hardcore classical painting.

>> No.4881082

>>4881075
Your irrational racism has clouded your vision or reading comprehension. I was not defending Rothko, I was posting alternatives to his rather dead ended dentist office stuff.
Sap

>> No.4881089

>>4881041
Your tumblr stuff is small as fuck and some of the more mediocre hazy art has contributed to reaching the image limit. Oh well, to each his own.

>> No.4881106

>>4881089
It's what I could find at the time.
This one's better. Trading it out now.
http://vsdn.ru/images/data/mus/70020_big_1342790665.jpg

Darial gorge 1862

>> No.4881110

>>4881106
breddy good, very atmospheric