/lit/ - Literature

Donkey Ho-tee.

>people who carry around incredibly pretentious books in their hands despite having a bag
I'm on to you.

>>4878883
That is how you pronounce, you inauthentic pedant.

>>4878906
Example.

>>4878910
You can fuck off and take Merriam Webster's with you. That wasn't how his name was pronounced.

>>4878914
Infinite Jest

>>4878915
Quixote =! quixotic

I remember an episode of University Challenge where Paxman pronounced Quixote as 'Quick-soat'.

>>4878917
Are you seriously arguing that the pronunciation of the root of an expression should have no bearing on the pronunciation of derived expressions? On what basis?

>albert kay-muss

>\kwik-ˈsä-tik\

OP, I don't get what makes you so mad?

>>4878924
see
>>4878920

>>4878925
So you're mad because no-one acknowledges that you read Don Quixote?

Here, have a cookie.

>>4878931
I'm mad because people see fit to bastardize it for absolutely zero reason other than the fact that somebody was retarded before them and a dictionary saw fit to print it.

>>4878933
Well, no-on stops you from printing your own dictionary.

>john paul satyr

>>4878934
Samuel Johnson and I will go do just that.

>carb-o-ka-shun

>>4878953
The webm just doesn't do the costanza face justice.

My friend says Na-BOH-kov, I say NAH-bo-kov
Which is right

>CURNULL

FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FROGS FOR INTRODUCING THIS FILTH

ITT: OP gets mad because he's not in charge of how most people pronounce words.

>>4878958
>mfw I can just hear you pronouncing it in your stupid american accents

People who use the word 'literally' for emphasis/exaggeration.
The Irrelevant Personal Anecdote.
People who don't laugh at my jokes.
Politically correct groupthink.
Defense of Harry Potter yet nothing else to say all semester.
People who aren't impressed or don't get my allusions.

>>4878965
>not getting mad at people butchering the pronunciation of words

>ree-post-ay

>>4878969
>why does no one like me

>>4878966
We're Scottish, but thanks for the fun reply

>>4878970

Butchering of pronunciation can only be relative to the common pronunciation. People in different countries and even within the same countries pronounce things differently. Get over it, autist.

>>4878976
Oh. Well that's an improvement at least.

>>4878979
>using relativity as a cop-out
Don't be incorrigible.

>>4878974
People don't like me because i'm a cackley cocksucker who loves to talk.

I don't know why they don't like you.

>>4878994
It's not that they don't like me, it's that they don't exist.

>>4878991

>you're still wrong because I said so

That's a good argument for any autist with the same obsessions as yourself but the rest of us who live in the real world don't shit our pants over trivial differences. Also, relativity isn't a cop-out if it's true.

>>4879000
Extreme relativity is absolutely a cop-out. You're essentially saying that the fact that something is widely practiced in different ways completely erodes the superiority of any way.

>>4878958

>>4878883
Are you too beta to go up to these people and "correct" them?

Maybe beta isn't the right word--I think you would prefer these mistakes to be made.

>>4879031

>You're essentially saying that the fact that something is widely practiced in different ways completely erodes the superiority of any way.

No. If you read the post you'll see that I was talking about pronunciation specifically. You have yet to give any argument for your position other than "hurr durr fucking plebs."

>>4879037
Pls teach me your ways

>>4879055
You just need to know that your friends are right.

>>4878883
>people who try to correct others who are right

Despite the pronunciation of Quixote, the word quixotic is pronounced kwik-sot-ik in English.

I love it when pedants like you get things wrong. :)

>>4878920
I must agree, his antithesis to your thesis is most antithetical.

>>4878976
Sensible or Glaswegian?

Please stop trying to enlighten OP. Let him pronounce quixotic however the hell he does so everyone can laugh at him and realize sooner than they might have that he's moron.

vice versa

>>4878883
>prescriptivist
lol
>prescriptivist who thinks he prescribes better than the OED (http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/156828?redirectedFrom=quixotic#eid))
sad

>>4878920
The pronunciation of a word is determined by how people pronounce it. I have never heard anyone ever say "kee-ho-tick." The pronunciation of the root word is irrelevant.
> 2014
> Prescriptivism

>>4878917
>=!
!=

>>4878906
Yes

>People who feel the need to publicize their reading at all
>People who hold their books out in front of their fucking faces in the most unnatural and surely uncomfortable position so the cover shows
>People who use Goodreads
>People who connect their Goodreads to their Facebook

yes I am in fact thinking of in a particular person how did you know?

>>4878906
B-but how will people know how deep I am?

>>4878906
i carry around books i like(and don't want to ruin) because my backpack usually annihilates them

>>4880214

Why do you care this much? Do you feel intimidated by their intelligence?

>>4880262
Suck my dick faggot

Pronouncing >Sage
as "seJdʒ" and not "sa-gɛ"

>>4880267
we should just make those pronunciation hieroglyphics the universal language

>mfw college babbies pronounce Descartes as Dez car tez.

>that person who doesn't pronounce evangelion the way they pronounce evangelical

>>4880283


Descartes means, in Spanish, the cards of the table no one wants.
In French, of the cards (as in game cards) or if you prefer of the letters (epistolary).

I thought you would find this interesting.

ok
/lit/
help
how do you pronounce Pynchon
is it pin-chin?

>>4878906
I do this, because if it isn't in my face I'll forget I could use my spare time to read and spend it listening to music or taking a nap or doing absolutely nothing instead

>>4880331
pine-cone

I'm 100% sure anyone who complains about figurative use of "literally" hasn't read a book in their life.

>>4878906
But bro, I'm reading this track-tat-us, but I don't really get any of it despite being 30 pages in

>>4880331
the man himself says pinch-on

>>4880407
>authorial intent

>Play-toe
>Plaa-toh

>>4880413
>play-dough

>>4880413
>implying that's even his correct name

>>4880421
Are you sure?

>>4880424
i'm sure that poster was implying that

>>4880328
It can also mean "of maps". It's a pretty fun name in itself.

>Not saying Quijote

>>4880421
that's the joke nigga

>>4880277
>pronunciation glyphs as the universal language
Holy fuck I love this idea.

>>4880283

>not calling Descartes "The D"

0/10 step it up better luck next time

>>4880283

Don't forget Frederick Nit-skee.

>>4881135
It's pronounced "Neesh" it's "Jerman"

>>4881165
mah niggga

>>4878883

ki-sho-tik

>>4881217

It's pronounced "Neetz-sheh" or "Neetz-shuh". The 'z' is barely pronounced but it's there.

lrn2German

>>4881279
Are we having fun yet?!

>>4881279
It's Neeshee you autist

>>4881279
it's clearly n-aye-etch-ay

>>4880277
ʌJm ak-ch(ə-w)ə-lē gō-iŋ tü dü this

>>4881308
Never mind let's just make it english

>>4881313
nəʊ

>>4878958
It's Na-BOH-kov.

>>4878919
But that's how it's fucking pronounced when it's anglicized, you twat. For example, in the title to Charlotte Lennox's 1752 novel The Female Quixote, the word is kwik-soat.

I really don't think you want to fuck with the Paxman. He'll snap you like a fucking twiglet.

>>4881365
Yes I'd like a chicken kwasesedilla and some fajeyetas

presupposition

pressu-position

>>4878883
very very subtle

or you're a retarded dickhead

>>4878915
LOL

>>4880046
>>4880007

>muh descriptivism

Have fun trying to teach a language with no standards, dipshit.

protip: you can't[/spoiler

>>4881290
I hope you're not serious.

>>4881378
Yeah that's right... 2000 chicken fagitas.

>>4881378
those aren't anglicized though you're just saying a foreign word

>>4881472
it doesn't count as being a prescriptivist when no one agrees with you

>>4878958
Na-BOH-kuv

>>4880007
the OED is descriptivist in any case

>>4881526
I say "fah-jee-tuhs" on purpose to make fun of my spanish friends

>>4881544

Your sentence is ambiguous and poorly-formed.

This only furthers the point that we need standards in language, rather than "anything goes, man".

P.S. - your professors grew up hippies, that's why they preach descriptivism.

>>4881573
>poorly-formed
yes
>ambiguous
absolutely not

>>4881573
You can't just concoct your own pronunciation of "Quixotic" that no one else uses and call yourself a prescriptivist: you're just autistic

Blame it on the British. It's those xenophobics' tendency to anglicize the shit out of every foreign word that leads to crap like this.

Seriously. I watched a British production of Shaw's Man and Superman. They pronounced it Don Jew-un the whole way through. Truly cringe-worthy

>>4881580
>it doesn't count as being a prescriptivist
>when nobody agrees with you

What does this even mean?

I actually thought Goethe was pronounced like goat with a soft h for the longest time, despite having an interest in the german language.

I am a fraud.

>>4881592
It means "if nobody agrees with you, your status as a prescriptivist is invalid."

I parsed it without conscious effort, at any rate. Maybe the "it doesn't count ... when" bit is a regional thing, but I doubt it.

>>4881585
>>4881592

Oh, I see what you mean.

I made the original post about prescriptivism's validity here >>4881472 in the general sense.

As far as the quixotic case, I would say that the word is derived from a Spanish proper noun and therefore ought to carry its original pronunciation.

>>4881607
>"if nobody agrees with you, your status as a prescriptivist is invalid."

That's a theoretical stretch.

In practice, a large group of people disregarding the structure of their language is a mark of stupidity, and stupidity is the mark of poor education.

In lit-crit circles, it's hip right now to be lax about any sort of standard, be it linguistic, moral, aesthetic, etc.

That's why descriptivism is a popular view. More, that's why it's being taught to young humanities students.

>>4881628
>That's a theoretical stretch.
It really isn't.

>>4878883
I'm Spanish and this is how I would pronounce it.

>>4881640

You're asking me to suppose that the whole world agrees languages should not have a standard usage that can be taught.

It's a stretch.

>>4881653
>>"if nobody agrees with you, your status as a prescriptivist is invalid."
>You're asking me to suppose that the whole world agrees languages should not have a standard usage that can be taught.
can you even read?

>>4881645
It's how everyone pronounces it. There isn't an educated person out there that pronounces it like Quixote.

This is just a case of OP being on Mount Stupid. He knows enough to know quixotic is a word and Quixote is its origins--but he sadly doesn't know much more than that.

>>4881663
>using insults from Jon Leibowitz
ugh

>>4881670
It's apt.

>>4881659

Talking to you is a chore.

Why don't you just make your meaning clear?

You could also address my other points if you actually want to discuss prescriptivism with me.

Take a moment to type a response that's a bit longer than a few hot words.

>>4881676
>le relevant xcdc

>>4881684
lel, I have no interest in you aggrandizing yourself with shit you probably pulled from that DFW essay

I'm saying, simply, pronouncing Quixotic like Quixote isn't prescriptivist, it's just wrong

>>4881696

Haven't read that essay.

Have a nice night.

>>4881691
This is just poor. I realize it's easy as shit and requires no thought to respond with "le reddit meme XD" or "muh xkcd comix!", but you ought to demand more of yourself.

If you have a valid reason why such a comic shouldn't be used, express it. If not, it's better that you remain quiet than post this knee-jerk "ugh" and "le i know where you got that from XD" nonsense.

Yeah, this is 4chan, but just because you're walking through a sty doesn't mean you need to grab a clod of shit and rub it all over your face.

>>4881711
>implying you weren't begging for it

>>4878906
this is why kindles are king

>people who pronounce "execrable" as "ek-scribble"

>>4881613
It ought to but it doesn't. That's how language is sometimes.

I recently learned that Giger as in H.R. Giger is pronounced 'gee-ger'. I had been pronouncing it like Geiger.

>>4878883

Not only is the 'recommended' pronunciation 'kwik-sot-ik', but when Don Quixote was first translated into English, English speakers of the time would absolutely have pronounced it 'Don Kwiksote'.

'Don Juan', too. English speakers of the time pronounced it 'Don Joo-wan'.

Me, I prefer Kee-hoe-tay and H'wan. Caring about it is silly, though.

>people who don't pronounce exotic like gucci does

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUCmst7hMi0#t=106
1:50

>>4880267
>not knowing what a silent e is.

>>4881653
>thinking this is what descriptivism is
>1000*2+14

seriously faggot? do you know nothing about language?

>>4881591
I want a hero: an uncommon want,
When every year and month sends forth a new one,
Till, after cloying the gazettes with cant,
The age discovers he is not the true one;
Of such as these I should not care to vaunt,
I'll therefore take our ancient friend Don Juan
We all have seen him, in the pantomime,
Sent to the devil somewhat ere his time.

>>4880478
IPA+esperanto

>>4880331
pinkman

>>4878958
Nah-BOH-kov I think. I've heard interviewers say it both ways.

>>4880321
Then why is it a hard G in the show. I don't understand.

> people who pronounce David Foster Wallace "David Foster Wallace" instead of the proper Iowan pronunciation "Da-veed Fos-terd Wool-ass"

>>4882670
nahbahk-ov

>people who pronounce literature "litter uh chur" instead of "lighter ay tour"

>>4881290
I had an Intro to Philosophy prof at CC who pronounced it this way. He was a Vietnam War veteran and a real estate broker or something on the side, so it was understandable.

>>4878883

The other day the lady who cleans my house used the word "exhaustment".

>>4881711
Thanks for posting this, anon. Not the poster you're replying to, but I appreciate being reminded that there is value and reason in holding oneself to a higher standard.

Conversate

My commie friend pronounced Slavoj Zizek
Shlavej Seesay.
No fucking joke.

>>4881279
>It's pronounced "Neetz-sheh" or "Neetz-shuh"

The latter pronunciation is the correct one.

>>4883888
It's either

>>4881711
this just might be good enough to become copypasta