/lit/ - Literature

Tree of Life

>>4865669
In Search of lost Time

>>4865669

I saw the most interesting shit just now, I need a book about someone who is pure insane to the point where self-mutilation becomes a matter of course

http://imgur.com/a/BEUQw#23
no I wouldnt click it

Continuing the generic choice thread the OP started, The Big Lebowski.

>>4865685
Woah that album
thats really cool

I dont know about books but I saw a movie along those lines let me see if i can find it

>>4865708
Aha I found its called Dans ma Peau

you might also be interested in an art film about a morgue called The Act of Seeing With One's Own Eyes, I don't recall the directors but its very engaging

the big lebowski

>>4865736
Confederacy of Dunces

The Siege at Ruby Ridge
Blue Skies

Boogie Nights

>>4865762
I can't think of one, but I bet it's going to be really good when someone posts it.

>>4865745
how are they at all alike?

A closer fit would be Inherent Vice

>>4865669
I really liked The Fault in our Stars.

Not my favorite but can i get some recs from Drive? Is Inherent Vice similar?

>>4865669
"Trout Fishing in America", or "In Watermelon Sugar" by Richard Brautigan

A couple favorite movies of mine are
Greenberg
Waking Life
The Master

Little Miss Sunshine

>>4865852
>Trout Fishing in America

This seems really cool, thanks.

Svankmajer's Alice is one I'd like to find books similar to. Besides the obvious.

I also made the Surrealism recommendation chart, so I guess keep in mind I already know about all of these:

http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading/Literature_by_type#Surrealism

>>4865669
Jacob's Ladder

Mad Max 1 (I really didn't like the 2nd and didn't even both with the 3rd)

>>4865852
I just started reading Trout Fishing in America. I feel like this is the book I've been looking for all my life.

>>4865997
That's exactly the feeling I got from my first reading of In Watermelon Sugar.

Brautigan is great stuff.

>>4865959
want to know this too

>>4866005
>>4865997
>>4865891
I've only recently come to Brautigan as well, I've got an edition with Trout Fishing, Watermelon Sugar, and The PIll versus the Springhill Mine Disaster (a poetry collection). His poetry actually ended up being my favorite out of the three, he has such a way with similes..

>>4865669
the passion of joan of arc

The Brass Teapot or The Thing or Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I know I like pleb movies and I doubt I'll see any recs here I don't own but lets see.

Pan's labyrinth and/or bladerunner

The last movie i watched was Tim's Vermeer and it was fucking awesome!

>>4865685
If I hadn't been drinking tonight I don't think I would have been able to scroll through that.

Last movie I saw was The Great Beauty.

Just thought I'd pop in to recommend it.

>>4866227
It's a great movie.
I even got the book that is supposed to be the inspiration behind the human apparatus: La Capria - The Mortal Wound

>>4866194
I remember reading an article about this a few months ago. Thanks for reminding me.

>>4866227
seconding this. I think it was the only new movie I saw last year I'd happily watch again.

>>4865852
>The Master

My man.

>>4866227
well if you liked it, read pleasures and regrets by proust

>>4865669
can someone please recommend me a book that is like the spirit of the beehive? (don't say frankenstein)

I wouldn't say it's my favorite film, but I really, really liked The Comedy and I'd dig any books similar to it.

>>4865669

Favorite: Sans Soleil

But the last thing I watched was Margaret and I was wondering if anyone had any books that were similar in tone (modern, young girl coming of age, questions of morality, a traumatic event, major life changes). I liked the way the film at times kind of drifted away from the characters and eavesdropped on other random people but at the same time was contributory to the overall fabric of the film like similar details in a film like Playtime.

>>4866227
do you have a letterboxd?

>>4866194
someone do me pls.
/lit/ pls.

i dun have a jearb i need something to read

>>4865932
I'd like to find some too!

Mon Oncle

>>4866334
Da who-what? I think it was in letterbox, yes.

>>4866416

Not him, but Letterboxd is a site for logging films. Kind of like a film version of goodreads except better layout.

>>4865685
American Psycho

>>4866194
The picture of Dorian Gray

>>4865819
I know you're probably a tool, but I really like those two Green dudes. They could, however, do with a beating or two and being force-fed some ketamine and sent on a bad trip, I'll grant that

>>4866416
>>4866427
Yeah, this. If you make one, can you post your id?

>>4866427
Oh. I don't even have a goodreads

The Great Gatsby

>>4866440
>can you post your id?
To
what
end?

>>4866454

It's a thing on /tv/ there are general threads and everyone reads your reviews and you rec films to each other.

>>4866227

great beauty was derivative crap, and the ending was painful. it was well shot, though. amazingly shot in some sections. but overall not enough for sorrentino to rest laurels on

but you like powell & pressburger so we sweet

"Moon", with Sam Rockwell.

>>4866227
Also my favorite movie of last year.

But I'd like to find books like Last Life in the Universe.

Yellow Submarine

>>4866502
It felt like an Italian Amelie. Not as much fairytale like but a beautiful portrait of a city. It's still nothing compared to my love for Nights of Cabiria, but it was a lovely experience. Perhaps it will grow on you. What are you, in your 20s I presume?

Leon The Professional

>>4866454
So I can follow you and watch all the movies you watch.

>>4866227
>be active in the nightlife scene
>strong feelings of existential boredom
>honestly feel like scum
>see the great beauty by myself
>sit in the very front row because I know what's going to happen
>silently sob for 2 hours

I wish I wasn't lying, I connected too hard.

>>4866550
Do I even need to say it?

I'm not some big film patrician and I don't think I would actually like a lot of this older or really obscure stuff, but I really enjoy the films of Charlie Kauffman, especially Synecdoche, New York.

>>4866562

It's not what you think

>>4866563
is it worth a rewatch to better understand it. Felt kind of all over the place the first time

Taxi Driver.

>>4866559
I knew you would.

Have you seen Nights of Cabiria yet?

>>4866569
I've seen it a couple times and read/written enough about it that I think I have a handle on it now. So I would say it's definitely a good idea to prepare to invest some extra time if you are interested in the film in the first place. If you're lost, reading about it or discussing it helps, I think. As far as I can tell Synecdoche generally has a good reputation around here, so I'm probably not crazy for saying it's worthwhile. It's probably the saddest movie I've ever seen, that's for sure at least.

Some films are just best seen a few times in peace and quiet before they really sink in. Michael Haneke's Cache and Shane Carruth's films also come to mind for me in this vein.

gummo

Dr. Strangelove.

>>4866538

>It felt like an Italian Amelie.

what? it was a straight homage to 8 1/2 but fell short on all accounts.

i will say that servillo was truly great and was up to the task but the material just wasn't there

>What are you, in your 20s I presume?

26.

>>4866594

>>4866603
Already tried reading, thought "by the time I get through this I could have read like five other books" but I'm going to have another go at it now.

>>4866595
>fell short on all accounts.
be specific.

>>4866595
>it was a straight homage to 8 1/2

More like La Dolce Vita. It has a lot in common with La Dolce Vita.

>>4866595
Oh. Why haven't I seen 8 1/2, yet? Haven't I?

>26
See? Not old enough.

>>4865669
The Secret in Their Eyes

>>4866608
I think "Beyond the Zero" is the hard part, if you read that you can read the whole book.

>>4866611

>>4866610 here. You should watch La Dolce Vita. I liked The Great Beauty a lot, but I think in light of La Dolce Vita (which I rewatched recently), it's not as solid a film. An 8/10 film for me. La Dolce is a 10/10.

>>4866611

>See? Not old enough.

to talk cinema? implying you could even keep up

>>4866538
>It felt like an Italian Amelie

But Amelie is shit, and this movie isn't.

>>4866627
The one with the blonde in the fountain? I saw that it one...

>>4866630
I was implying that the film was aimed at an age group closer to death. The ending got me.

>>4866633

na amelie is actually the stronger film

but comparing it to great beauty is a lol

>>4866633
: |

...No.

>>4866640
I know trying to keep track of which butterfly is which on /lit/ is probably futile, but I have to ask, you're not that guy from /g/ are you?

>/tv/ poster
>/lit/ and /mu/ always come on /tv/ claiming they have better film discussions
>mfw all these entry level mediocre films and superficial discussion

>>4866640

>I was implying that the film was aimed at an age group closer to death. The ending got me.

even sorrentino is middle aged and out of that "age group". and you aren't in that age group either you're just another young shitposter on 4chan talking about film that is a tribute to 8 1/2 when you haven't even seen 8 1/2.

get over yrself, love

>>4866648
Never been to /g/
The impostor(s?) are all in that troll thread so far. (aside from the earlier one in trashing Nietzsche)

>>4865675
Ass Goblins of Auschwitz

>>4866654
>superficial discussion
welcome to every board of 4chan, or at least every consumption hobby-focused board

>>4866662
Ok so your entire family did not die in a car crash? (thought all that "close to death" stuff actually meant something).

>>4866654
It's worse than /tv/'s best, but better than /tv/'s average.

>>4866659
>you're just another young shi
You don't know how old I am. :)

~~~Dashing out for milk

Call me stereotypical or pleb, but A Dog's Life is still my favorite film. I'm having a hard time picking a book which would accurately sum up all my feelings of the film though.

>>4866672
>~~~Dashing out for milk
Boy, I'm surprised you aren't able to produce your own, harlot.

>>4866671
I know what you mean, but sometimes I feel like /tv/'s "best" is a little too try-hard, if that means anything to you. On /lit/, people have an imperative to get a little ridiculous about books, but I think we can actually be more honest about film than /tv/ can (there's less pressure to seem "patrician" about film on a board that isn't about film).

>>4866672

all i'm saying is don't be that lame to play the age card about not "getting" something when you haven't seen the film that the tribute is based around

makes you seen kinda.. not too bright

>>4866683
I feel you, but most of the films you probably call try-hard are actually good films, whether /tv/ actually likes them or not.

I stopped going to /tv/ earlier this year though, so I don't know the current state.

>>4866687
>I stopped going to /tv/ earlier this year though, so I don't know the current state.
4U

The Fifth Element

>>4866409
Close Up

>>4866671

it really isn't though. because even when /tv/ is discussing trash, every regular there has seen more canon films than anyone here. it's informed at least. it just seems that /lit/ and /mu/ go to /tv/ and complain there's no discussion of those ten GOAT films that everyone watches first. you can only talk about them so much.

>>4866687
>probably call try-hard are actually good films

Also, this. Aside from the tongue-in-cheek "patrician general" threads, structuralist experimental filmmakers and czech new wave or whatever you think it's "try hard" is not obscure to most people familiar with film.

I'm not saying that anyone here is a pleb, but for a second I forgot I was on /lit/ instead of /tv/ and I was surprised at the blandness of this thread. You can see the limitations of lit people discussing film. So if this is what those people mean when they say film discussions, I gotta say they're wrong about /tv/.

>>4865669
Fight Club

Koyaanisqatsi
Der Himmel über Berlin
Ghost in the Shell

>>4866713
Club, Fight

>>4866712
Well my exposure to film is limited. And I'm sad to say, I'm not particularly bothered by that.

Experimental film I'm aware of is horrifically dull. It is aware of its medium, as an experimenter should be, but unaware of its effect on the viewer.

Commercially successful films are blind in this way, but their own compulsion to maximize profits has led them, however dumbly, to employ those effects (even if they are unaware of it, or deny it).

>>4866712
I'm both of the people you responded to.

>it really isn't though. because even when /tv/ is discussing trash, every regular there has seen more canon films than anyone here.
That isn't necessarily a good thing. They're pressured to match their film experience with the rest of /tv/, so they just watch films as if they're checking off a list, it's the same for /lit/ when it comes to books. The competition is simply to have read more books, not to be comprehended more.

Granted yes, this thread is entry level, but that's because it's just a shitty thread. If you want the actual decent film discussion to come out, it can't be in a thread dedicated to film, because then everybody is going to want to share their opinion. When film is brought up in a non-film thread, it's usually by people who know what they're talking about.

Wild Strawberries

>>4866686
It was a light teasing jab to explain why you didn't love the film.

GEESH

hmm, either The Werckmeister Harmonies, or Brazil

>>4866744
>Experimental film I'm aware of is horrifically dull.

Shame you feel that way. I have to disagree with this comment, though. As you said, you are limited in your exposure to film and, in my opinion, so-called "experimental film" is something that you learn to genuinely enjoy the more you learn about film. I think there's an awkward period when you're younger and you're kind of pretending to understand it, but when you get older (or even just learn more in technical/formal sense), it's very enjoyable.

The great experimental directors definitely know the effect they are having on their viewer, because most of these films are about a formalist as you can get and function on the principles behind filmmaking. The following are some good examples. Brakhage was obsessed with people seeing with new eyes (or the eyes of a child, so to speak) and Peleshian (Inhabitants) was famous for "distance montage" which is probably too much to explain now, but has to do with depth (or our perception of it) and things moving towards us the viewer in the frame.

I think, like anything, you become aware of the medium as a viewer through education.

21-87: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFn-NobVaoI
Inhabitants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enoJAHDoQ5w
Mothlight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaGh0D2NXCA&list=PL98FF0C4BE10F2542

>>4866744

>Experimental film I'm aware of is horrifically dull. It is aware of its medium, as an experimenter should be, but unaware of its effect on the viewer.

The empty pontifications of an absolutely clueless philistine.

>>4866797
Hey, I just watched those three films you posted. 21-87, and inhabitants resonated with me in ways I lack the philosophical vocabulary to speak of. What Lipsett talks about the concept uniqueness, and the desire for god is so fucking right. How do I find more?

>>4865839
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Not my favorite film (that'd either be "Offret" or "Wake in Fright") but I'd really like a book similar, at least partly, to either Mulholland Drive or Blue Velvet.

>>4866431
There is no self-mutilation there or insanity, just a little bit of psychosis.

I don't have "a" favorite, but:
>Irreverible
>Idioterne
>Naked

I was going to add Naked Lunch, but I don't want people recommending me Burrough's books since they have little to do with that movie.

>>4866654
>good tv
>picture of bodie
>not avon barksdale

Lost in Translation or High Noon

>>4865839
You could read the novel Drive was taken from. Its called Drive.

Anything similar to Possession?

I like Tarkovski's films

Inland Empire

come at me nigga

>>4867170
Stalker was amazing but solaris really bored me to death

>>4867269
I think the intro on earth was maybe a little bit too long, but I really liked the last ~45 minutes
Have you seen mirror?

The Searchers

>>4867284
for Solaris, that is

>>4867123

>picture of avon barksdale
>not frank sobotka

typical pleb not knowing that season 2 was best

My top five.

Suspiria
Jacob's Ladder
Goodbye Lenin!
Lawrence of Arabia(already have Seven Pillars of Wisdom before you even think of recommending me it)
Rosemary's Baby

I quite liked the K-ON movie.

If any of you guys would like to become more acquainted with film then a sure-fire way to do that is to plan in advance the films you watch, and also to watch similar films (i.e. by the same director) in succession.

I recently made a list of well-regarded film-makers and I've begun to go through their filmography attempting to choose an early, a middle and a late film from their career. I then watch them in order over the course of a week-period in chronological order. One of the main issues I had with film-viewing was that my approach was too scatter-shot. This was allows for greater familiarisation and 3 films per week isn't a lot (52 film-makers by year).

Punch-Drunk Love

Stoker

>>4867312
Really like this approach, gonna try it out. I already watched films by the same director, but I really like your approach of choosing an early, middle and late film. Thanks anon!

>>4867316

raymond carver?

>>4867302
>already have Seven Pillars of Wisdom before you even think of recommending me it
I recommend you skip every paragraph containing 'camel'

seriously, the dude never shuts up about fucking camels

>>4867269
>>4867284
>>4867289
>dat highway traveling
Based USSR cinema.

>>4867179
Finnegans Wake

>>4865845
>>4865932
Seconding both of these

Upstream Color

Throw Momma from the Train, or Centurion

>>4865839
Play the game "Driver"

Ovsysanki by Aleksei Fedorchanko.

Ovsyanki by Aleksey Fedorchenko.

There Will Be Blood.

>inb4 Oil!

>>4865852
"Godel, Escher, Bach", perhaps? It's not exactly fiction, but then neither is "Waking life".

>>4866713
Invisible Monsters

Seven Samurai

also Sanjuro and Yojimbo

Oslo, August 31st

>>4866517
Seconding this.

>>4865742
I love The Thing, every time I re-watch it I get immersed and enthralled all over again.

but whatever aids germ shat out that prequel deserves the angriest anal cancer imaginable

Ghost in the Shell

>>4866874

Probably the most well known films that you might enjoy (just guessing):

Meshes of the Afternoon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mm3lEUThPo
Invocation of my demon brother: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESpzFRu9lIc
Unsere afrikareise: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xo5z1_peter-kubelka_creation (quality is not amazing, but about as good as you can get easily, there's also another of his films attached to the end)
Cat's Cradle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cur2P5Ym3Yw

Films that are maybe more structural or interesting in other ways (not sure if they're what you're looking for)

Passage a l'acte: http://vimeo.com/73302639
Wavelength: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBOzOVLxbCE
Neighbours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YAYGi8rQag
Process Red: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwTRfM8zSoA
Thanatopsis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDoH_KGTR7A

Some personal choices that come to mind:

Cat listening to music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KalkgX5Igwo (this guy is a really famous filmmaker, was associated with the left bank of the french new wave and made some excellent films, this one is pretty basic, but if you know about him and his obsession with cats, it's kind of charming)
Hold me while I'm naked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QL3yU3fyxo
Atman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdcN8wDxT0Q
The House is Black: http://vimeo.com/11482249 (one of my ten favorite films of all time and something I think would be right up your alley)

More from Lipsett and Peleshian

Beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xlfygqKco8
Very nice very nice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY7B2-Wqj6g

I've chosen mostly shorter films, there are of course great films of the same kind that are longer, but you probably don't want to start with a 3-hour film like La Region Centrale.

>>4867719
The manga > the anime

>>4866713
>>4867495
You jest, but Invisible Monsters is probably one of the better Chuck books to get into for someone who's seen Fight Club. I'd consider Rant a better choice, personally.

>>4867678
Based anon

>>4867727
I haven't read it, from what I read about it though it deals with completely different issues and other than the premise it's a completely different thing.

Cutting It Short, Closely Watched Trains or any other of Menzel´s Hrabal adaptations.

>>4866135
Death in Venice

>>4867742
It's the exact same thing but with Japanese slapstick pantsu comedy tacked on top.
I'm amazed IG and Oshii managed to adapt it so tastefully.

>>4867749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPOZzE1sABo

Nymphomaniac.

Doesn't have to do with sex or sexuality. I really enjoyed the dialogues between Joe and Seligman.
As pleb as it may be I thought his insights were really interesting.

I would also like to know where did Lars Von Trier get his inspiration to write that movie.

Barton Fink

>>4868154
I´m not calling you a pleb, but you do realize that the end of the movie showed just how big an idiot Seligman was, and that everything he said before needs to be taken with the appropriate caution, right?

Also: Wilhelm Meister´s Apprenticeship.

The Best of Youth

>>4866759
I'd love to read a book like this, too.

I have no recommendations to make because I have only read like three books. But I would appreciate recommendations based on pic related.

>>4868332
Haven't read Warlock, but it's supposed to be a good Western.

>>4867126
>>4867749
I would be interested in a High Noon or Ghost Dog recommendation if anyone has one.

Actually expanding on the Ghost Dog one, are there any authors who I'd be likely to dig in general as a fan of Jim Jarmusch's work as a whole?

I'd love to be able to contribute to this thread but I'm just not well read and don't see very many films.

>>4868154
>I would also like to know where did Lars Von Trier get his inspiration to write that movie.
ur mum m8

stroszek

Hot Fuzz.

I honestly doubt there are any books quite like it.

>Magnolia

multiple characters, addiction, depression, abuse sounds like IJ but I've read that.

>>4868308
Yes I know, I loved the ending.

Nymphomaniac spoilers ahead.



On my interpretation it was that he could not escape his nature (being a man, he is sexual), even if he dedicates his entire life upon doing so (becoming assexual).
And the fact that I liked the ending so much was because it's a pessimistic ending.
If Seligman who was asexual for all his life couldn't resist his natural urges, Joe (who was extremely sexual) cannot put an end to her urges, she will never be "healed". Her asexuality will be brief and she will return to the spiral of degradation that she is condemned to.

Another interpretations would be that she is actually healed, and Seligmann was trying to help her by trying to have sex with her.
What do I mean by that is that Joe was capable of saying "no" to his sexual moves, while she was a nymphomaniac she wouldn't be able to do so.
And, perhaps, Seligman tried to rape her on purpose, only by tempting her with her vice she could become free of them.

It's like this, a alcoholic can only be considered healed if he can say no to his vice, and the only way that happens is if he is confronted with his vice.
That's why someone would offer alcohol to someone claiming to be a recovered alcoholic - he doesn't actually want her to fail for her temptation, but she can only be considered healed if she is strong enough to resist them.

Or it could be that Lars wanted to have an edgy ending.



>>4868407
Made me kek

>>4868505

Correction

Where you read this
>while she was a nymphomaniac she wouldn't be able to do so.
Read this
>while if she was still a nymphomaniac (therefore "unhealed") she wouldn't be able to do so (say no to his sexual moves).

>>4868505
>Or it could be that Lars wanted to have an edgy ending.
I like the movie, but I'm going with this choice.

Saw both parts 1 and 2 in the theaters. They were shown for two days only back to back, most people didn't return for part two.

Everybody loved the Uma Thurman scene though, I thought she was genuinely funny as well.

>>4865669
Lost in Translation.

>>4865839
Hemmingway

>>4868544
You misspelled his name. It's a common mistake.

The actual spelling is Hennnningway, with 4 n's.

>>4868568
there's 5 n's in Hennnningway

Possession

>>4867170
Read Arseni Tarkovski then.

I saw Eraserhead recently and really enjoyed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt0GNoEvV2Q

>>4868154
Proust - he read in search of lost time. He's also a big philosophy reader, but unfortunately catholic

>>4868505
I think you're reading into it too much. Siegl guy says 'but you must have slept with a thousand men' He figured she was easy, and because they'd bonded and it was probably the first time a woman's been in his apartment he'd thought he'd give it a bash (possibly getting away with rape) .

An important point brought up in a review I read is that Joe always is in control of when who etc she does sex with, she instigates, seduces, and this was one time she wasn't. She never chose to go with Siegl. (he rescued her at the beginning).

Also sex is painful for her, all the sex she was getting was lesbian, then celibate for a while, and its painful for her.

Being the debt collector probably made her harder and galvanized her take no shit, shoot rapist attitude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqKOISC-kd8

>>4865685

not exactly what you're asking for but you might want to check out pick related. masochism is a huge theme in it

Inception

>>4868797

Doesn't get much more pretentious than Autechre.

>Hey man, so you like electronic music, huh?
>Actually, it's called sound design. Ochre are much more than just electronic music- they are experiments upon the physics of sound. Just listen to the spatial dynamics on this track.
>*blip... bzzzzzzzzzzzzck.... blop....*

>>4868845
I'm looking for other books/films concerning masochism, that aren't Venus in Furs, Sade, or Story of O, but aren't trash.
Any recommendations?

>>4866654
>implying /tv/ doesn't only speak of capeshit, Star Wars and LotR besides their TV shows and bane threads

>>4868893
wow what a faggot

>>4868893
Autischre

Pierret Le Fou
I read The Stranger already.
>>4868893
Please. Tri Repetae is one of the greatest albums of the 90s.

>>4867324
Childhood's End

>>4866227
Good movie. This is such a difficult topic, because I want recommendations based on a favorite movie but can't think of how to properly rec a book based on movie preference.

>>4867680
Good ass movie, wish I could think of similar books.

>>4867302
Based on Lawrence of Arabia, maybe you'd like The Long ships.

My favorite movie is Brazil.

In Bruges

>>4869067
Try all the other garbage Martin McDonagh wrote.

>>4866723
>Ghost in the Shell

Try Neuromancer

Valerie and her week of wonders

>>4867678
Anyone?

>>4867733
thanks man, gotta love them samurai

>>4869015
Aw fuck.
I watched Brazil when I had taken the fun combination of Nyquil and a double espresso. Needless to say, I was paralyzed in terror for the entire film.

I'm finding this a difficult game to play. I'd wager it'd be much easier for you to name a book and then get recs on a film.

>>4865669
I've been copiously masturbating to this picture of Kate Winslet showing her underwear.

>>4868505
Hmm, that´s interesting. I haven´t even considered the possibility of Seligman helping Joe.

On my reading, there is no possibility of "healing" for Joe. Think back to the metaphor the soul tree: a tree always grows, but the way it is right now is determined by the way it has grown in the past. Its past also determines the possibilities of its further growth. I think it is a powerful metaphor of the nature of human mind.

Now, natural growth can be regulated - where I live they fasten wooden frames on the trees in the spring so that their branches grow horizontally. Joe regulated her growth as well; she has from early on focused on her sexuality. The further she went in this direction, the more she required for satisfaction, and as with trees, there is no way back for her. Especially since the other possible direction of her growth - life with her husband and child - has been conclusively rejected both by her and by Jerome.

The "spiral of degradation" you talk about would be real only from the point of view of conventional morality, which values also other things than sexual expression or satisfaction. She fucks strangers; she lets them beat her; she abandons her family; she uses her skills in the service of violent crime. These things are - for a regular person - degrees of degradation, but purely from the logic of her sexual growth (which always requires more and more), which Joe apparently follows, these are simply the progressive steps and the price you have to pay for them.

Now, Seligman. I admit I haven´t thought him as thoroughly as Joe, and I´m not really satisfied with what I have to say about him. Basically I saw him as a huge hypocrite or coward, as someone incapable of relating to a woman and feigning asexuality to hide this. He reminded me of myself when I was younger, and how I was an "attentive listener" attentive only because I thought it´d get me into the girl´s panties. At the bottom of this attitude was the unsaid belief that the girl is a slut who´d fuck basically anyone, so why not me? Seligman (I think) believes this too, and has his beliefs confirmed at great length by Joe herself. So he acts like a stupid virgin boy.

Joe kills him because she doesn´t expect anything like this; she considered him a "safe" person with whom she can talk as with nobody else - intimately. From her view, Seligman betrays her trust, even more so because he claimed to be asexual. Her shooting him is still an overreaction, but understandable given her previous distress and what Seligman´s betrayal puts her through. I´m also relying here on von Trier´s tradition of opposing stupid male characters to sensitive heroines.

What I wrote depends very much on my own experience of my sexuality, and I am very grateful to von Trier for making a movie with such therapeutic value (for me at least).

>>4867320
Loved that movie, but the whole thing kind of felt like a Lois Duncan novel to me.

>mfw that piano scene though

>>4869417
I really liked your tree analysis, I'm >>4868505.
As soon as I got out of the pictures I had the same conception as you about Seligman.
Opposed to you, I really didn't spend much time analyzing Joe.

>>4868731
Nice.

The Dreamers

>>4869468
Glad you liked it; I liked yours as well. I´m going to bed now HAR HAR, but I might add something to this discussion tmrw. For now just this: who we focus on is itself a feature of our nature, of the way our own tree grows (I think).

Good night!

>>4868216
Best Coen. Good taste. Sadly I can't help you with a recommendation.

Seconding Mulholland Drive

Any recs for people who enjoyed Lost in Translation?

>>4868593
You probably already have, but watch Naked Lunch (the movie) if you still haven't. I'm the other Possession fag btw.

>>4869654
Farewell To The Sea by Reinaldo Arenas

Though the novel does have a much deeper political meaning, it's a story of two lovers who for different reasons seem to be apart, one of them speaking in poetry and the other in prose. It's pretty surreal, and I recommend more works by Arenas.

>>4869534
Based anon.
Good night mate.

>>4869654
Not a film, but if you plunge your head into a bucket of sick and hold it there for half an hour, you turn into a monarch butterfly

My favorite movie is Vertigo.

Camp Cuddly Pines, this one porno horror flick I saw where a ghost indian chick gave a dude a beejer. I liked that movie.

>>4867724
Thanks man, saved

>>4869679
Thanks, I'll check it out.
>>4869748
Sorry you feel that way

Pierrot le fou. Pic related.

>>4866227
Awful film. Aesthetically insufferable.

My favorite film of last year. Surprised me how affecting it ended up being, given that I most so-called 'issues' films put me off. It did a good job at normalizing homosexuality without moralizing about how tough it is to be gay.

>>4869654
You'll enjoy a penis in your mouth.

>>4869903
A farewell to arms, The recognitions, Rimbaud.

>>4869883

Oh my I've been looking for this in /tv/

>>4865685
Thirteen
Yes, the movie about teenage girls. It's more subtle than what you're looking for but it really does deal with how people grow to be detached from their emotions and eventually start self-harming.

>>4867302
>suspiria

fuck you read vonnegut

>>4867461
you should read "Oil!"

>>4867749
>hagakure
>rashomon

>>4869903
Yeah because two insanely hot lesbian chicks straight out of any porn film, totally normalizes homosexuality. OH BUT ONE OF THEM HAS BLUE HAIR, THAT'S TOTALLY QUIRKY AND INDIVIDUALISTIC!!!!

>>4870767
Jesuit please!

It's a legit relationship film.

Lost In Translation, maybe the Social Network. I recently LOVED Blue is the Warmest Color.

>>4870767
Maybe it's because I'm in Australia and we're blessed in this respect, but most of the lesbian couples I know are made up of hot chicks.

Most couples I know are made up of attractive people in general.

>>4866441
Its like Last.Fm but for movies

>>4871257
It's way better than goodreads and last.fm.

Groundhog Day

>>4866713
fuck you

eternal sunshine is a deep movie

fight club is mallgoth crap

the world of apu
the new world
2001: a space odyssey

>>4868529
sentimental education

>>4871283
Once I watched American Psycho with [s4s]. When it was over OP, in a lapse of total faggitude, played Fight Club. We spammed 'Fedora Club' and demanded shrek so much that OP had to download shrek. This was back when fedora was strictly a term for beta-atheist plebbitors during last summer.

Even [s4s] knows that Fedora Club is a shitty movie.

>>4871297
what are you even talking about

where in my post did i say that fight club is good? i mean to be honest it's a stylistically interesting, entertaining film, even if the script is garbage

Mr. Nobody

>>4871310
Well the person I was quoiting called it megalithic crap and I have reason to suspect that they are not you. So what are you going on about, friend?

>>4871314
Worst movie I've seen so far this year.

>>4865852
>The Master

that film destroyed me

>>4871318
Parts felt contrived, but I liked the whole existential dilemma as well as Leto's acting.

>>4871327
Such a good film, lol

>>4871297
whoa, what a flaming faggot you are, sir.

>>4871398
Oh okay, I'm glad that a relaying of events about a movie for teenagers that you like reflects on me. You're from reddit, yes? That bullshit sarcastic knee-jerk defense is telling.

There Will Be Blood.

>>4871403
I don't care about the film. it's you and your attitude what's faggy.
>me and my boyfriends from [s4s] called it fedora club XD but it was before fedora was considered a retarded meme so I'm not retarded ;) then we asked shreck that showed OP! lol lmfao

And when confronted:
>oh so your a fedura club fan huh? you're a teenager and from reddit lmfao XD

Yes you're a faggot.

>>4870767
Fuck off. It's a genuinely affecting first person bildugsroman. The sex is just a fraction of its 3 hour running time.

>>4871658
>It's a genuinely affecting first person bildugsroman.

lol noobs to the 'literary' archetype are so embarrassing.

I used to be way into film and then I got a real personality.

>>4871680
One day you'll discover there's good cinema beyond Hollywood.

>>4871700
Please. You're talking to an ex-five star Karagarga admin with top clearance. Like most people, I had my "Hollywood isn't the only distributor of films" revelation before finishing middle school.

The most liberating day of my life was when I cashed in my Criterion Collection DVDs in order to purchase a ton of equipment/tools from Home Depot for DIY work. Nothing like owning a home and not being a desperate loser who prides himself on his taste in movies.

>>4871711
So you're projecting your own failures onto anyone who enjoys good cinema? lol

>>4871711
>Criterion collection
>good taste

>>4871715
>failures

I own a home. I didn't fail, I won. Don't try to hide your obsession by calling it "enjoying good cinema." Just look at the way you creeps discuss this "hobby" as if your taste actually said anything worthwhile about you other than the fact that you are obsessive about something in the same way the grown men on /toy/ are obsessive about their doll collections.

>>4871711

Son, you know there's an in between. You could say the same about hoarding books and reading all day. You can buy a house and still have hobbies. What are you saying? That your whole life is owning a house? What do you do for fun? Sand walls and hammer cabinets in?

Maybe you have such an intense reaction because you were a Karagarga admin. You probably spent all day on Karagarga and watching films. If you'd had a job before then and watched films when you weren't working, you'd feel different.

>>4871711
>doing well enough to buy a home
>can't buy tools without cashing in his DVDs

Try better next time.

>>4871722
You're still projecting. (I'm going to elaborate since you are too dumb) you being unable to enjoy cinema without being an autistic loser doesn't mean it's impossible for everybody to do so. People use to discuss what they like, this is why there's shit like 4chan. Now go and try to feel better than everyone and justify you are not a failure anymore because you own a home and that's some prodigy that a little portion of humans can achieve thus giving you moral authority to judge anyone who likes to discus cinema since you're better than them.

>>4871677
What's more embarrassing is you having to google bildungsroman

>>4871733
I am better than you, though, which is VERY clear given this horrible (and very stupid) post of yours.

>>4871722
>I have no passions whatsoever
>but I own a home
>by myself
>I believe winning life is based on my material possessions
>every night I stand in my living room and think about my house which I own
>then I go to bed alone
>i truly won this game of life

>>4871738
nigga how old are you where that would even come into your mind

>>4871744
Obviously. This is why you need to justify to yourself you are better than some anonymous poster on 4chan. My post is horrible because it's the truth.

>>4871720
>my dolls are rarer than yours

>>4871745
I have passions, though. They just happen to be passions that matter, like family and career. I feel kind of bad giving all of you such a pounding, especially since I know you'll all realize I'm right within a couple years anyway.

TTYL
#winning

>>4871746
You making a stink about someone using common literary terms was suspicious

>>4871751
Then why are you on 4chan wasting your time with us lowlifes when there's a hot waif waiting for you in your big-ass house? Get the fuck out and go be happy, you don't need to waste your time here.
Btw, you're still projecting. People CAN have hobbies without being autistic, even if you can't.

>>4871751

But I have a life and career and family. Occasionally I do other things though. You don't have to watch 4 films a day, you fucking moron. You can just have balance in your life like a grown-ass man.

Big Trouble in Little China

>>4871751
>muh passion is muh family and career
>all work all the time
>and muh pad
>I go to church on sundays and wash muh car
>then I wake up
>turn on my computer
>browse 4chan for 8 hours
>go to sleep crying

>>4871756
>common
...amongst noobs, like i said.

>>4871711
>>4871722
>>4871744

You abandoned your passion for droll complacency and now you hate every one else for it. We aren't your lack of nerve.

>>4871768
But literary term exist in order to be used. Does it matter who uses them if they accurately describe what you're trying to articulate?

>>4871751
>being this miserable

>>4871751

>this thinly-veiled cry for help

Get your fucking balls back m8 and stop justifying your life choices on the internet.

That is bitch shit.

One Hour Photo

>>4871727
>What are you saying? That your whole life is owning a house? What do you do for fun? Sand walls and hammer cabinets in?

Favorite Film: In The Mood For Love

Would love some decent recommendations if anyone has them

>>4871751
For them that must obey authority
That they do not respect in any degree
Who despise their jobs, their destinies
Speak jealously of them that are free
Do what they do just to be
Nothing more than something they invest in

>>4872529
Not a book, but you should try self-immolation.

>>4872553
I laughed.

>>4865742
It's based off the book "Who goes there?". Try that

>>4872537
;)

>>4872709
I love the fact that Stanley Kubrick knew that the book was shite, and gave the finger to King by crashing the original car.

And then Kubrick rubbed Kings nose in it by making a film that's infinitely better than the book.

>>4872721
He even gives King a giant middle finger in the movie.

>mfw my favorite film actually is eternal sunshine

i don't care what any of you condescending pricks think.

>>4869067
>>4872569
Harold Pinter - The Dumb Waiter

paris texas

I actually liked GitS SAC more

>>4872727
I know. That is what I meant by crashing the original car. The red one.

>>4872573
do androids dream of electric sheep by dick

>>4872744
Already read it.

>>4872741
Oh... yeah...

I completely skimmed over that

Withnail and I

Mike Leigh's Naked. Any recs?

>>4872752
is that one of the professors from harry potter?

>>4872759
Yup.

>>4872752
Middlemarch

>>4872752
Under the Volcano

>>4872732
Chill, Kate Winslet invalidates any accusation of faggotry.

>>4872747

The Demolished Man
by Alfred Bester


The Dispossessed (Hainish Cycle, #5)
by Ursula K. Le Guin

Mockingbird
by Walter Tevis

Stand on Zanzibar
by John Brunner


The Day of the Triffids
by John Wyndham

Make Room! Make Room!
by Harry Harrison


Solaris
by Stanisław Lem

Burning Chrome
by William Gibson

Non-Stop
by Brian W. Aldiss

Behold the Man
by Michael Moorcock

Mirrorshades: The Cyberpunk Anthology
by Bruce Sterling (Editor)

Cities in Flight (Cities in Flight, #1-4)
by James Blish

Second Foundation (Foundation, #3)
by Isaac Asimov


Timescape
by Gregory Benford

The Player of Games (Culture, #2)
by Iain M. Banks

The Space Merchants (The Space Merchants #1)
by Frederik Pohl

Childhood's End
by Arthur C. Clarke

The Hyperion Omnibus: Hyperion, The Fall of Hyperion
by Dan Simmons

The Rediscovery of Man
by Cordwainer Smith

Babel-17
by Samuel R. Delany

>>4873325
Those too.

>>4872752

Celine

>>4872482

See, I don't get this at all. You know full well the entire film works as a provocatively shot perfume advert so how would the assets of that film feature as a novel? It's not a film which is going to translate into a novel well.

Still, I tend to find Wong Kar Wai and Murakami similar but I must admit that they aren't at all and really a surface-level rec. Still, the closed interiors of Kar Wai films does, to me, evoke the same feelings as Murakami's work, with less emphasis on 1) eroticism and 2) weird ass metaphysics. Then again, maybe a lot of contemporary Asian novels do. I'm no expert.

>>4871751

>you can't have passions except your family and your career
>also owning a home somehow comes into it because there's a sense of pride? with that

I have a problem with your entire argument because it's fucking nonsensical.

>>4871261

I use it but I actively disdain from all the social-media faggotry which a lot of users persists with. It's nothing but a popularity circle-jerk when you go beyond logging your film-viewing habits.

>>4865839
You could try not watching shitty meme movies.

Try Taxi Driver. Maybe. I would give up if you actually thought Drive was a good film.

>>4873752
What do you have against drive as a movie? The presentation is ideal

>>4873540
Did you miss the
>TTYL
>#winning
part?
he's just retarded, don't take him seriously.

>>4865675
>Tree of Life

mah nigga