/lit/ - Literature

>>4794083

You're late to the party kiddo.

Pic related was born in 1992 and is the author of two best-selling books

Those in the internet age will invariably be affected somehow by instant gratification. I'm not sure how this will manifest itself in literature.

>>4794083
In the West,terrible

In the East, subjective

>>4794099
Not just one author though, I mean as a whole.
>>4794097
What do you mean?

>>4794125
But Ben Brooks is the leader of a new wave of alt-lit writers

Expect more of pic related in the near future. I for one can't wait

Dystopian.

Science fiction incorporated in the way that hard broiled and pulp fiction elements were incorporated in the 80s and 90s.

>>4794099
What did he bring to the literary world other than book sales? I don't recognize him and I can't search right now.

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>>4794159
>We could do bukkake on my dog and film it.

XD so random! XD
I seriously hope that this shit doesn't because the new literary generation.

>>4794180
Its just the most visible because it suits a stereotype.

Internet forum-tier writing will never last as a literary genre.

>>4794166
He's been described as a "voice of a generation", that generation being those born in the late 80's, early to mid 90's.

>>4794180
It already is. Obviously 2deep4u plebio.

>>4794083
probably more YA fiction

>>4794159
>Me and Alive of to her house
>We could do bukkake on my dog and film it.
>Sporadically masturbating over shopping channel presenters.
>My body tenses.

I weep for literature if this is its future.

>>4794190
>he's been described as a "voice of a generation"

Into the trash it goes.

>>4794190
This is literally teen fiction.

>>4794083

I'd imagine that a lot of it would be about growing up in the post 9/11 world. Things changed, and not many authors have had the opportunity to explore what it meant to come of age in a time of paranoia and mistrust. So basically, it would be like the 60s and 70s, but with technology, and like the 50s in that there would be rampant anti-Muslimism (no idea of that's the correct wording) in place of the Red Scare.

>>4794190

>voice of a generation

Maybe the voice of a generation in one specific place and from one specific class. There are no true "voices of a generation" because there are so many backgrounds to come from. You can take a snapshot of a specific time and place, sure, but you can't paint a landscape of an entire era from all the possible views, especially from a personal perspective.

Novels like Freedom by Franzen, except from the perspective of millennials.

>>4794218
>thinking hatred of islam is the corresponding mass hysteria

>Not hatred of dissenters

You are hitting some pretty mundane points. 9/11 massively overshadowed by the actions taken after it by power structure. Fear of terrorism has subsided, but the overbearing control of the military and its associated industries in social and political matters remains.

I think 50s and 70s are a good mark though. Both were considered golden eras for science fiction.

We are living in a world which contains the premises and literal plot devices of some of the things written in those times. Extremely hard science fiction is going to be the future.

Roberto Bolano kind of did it already with 2666.

>>4794199
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>>4794216
Wow are you plebs really that mad because you're being represented by pic related?

In that case I won't post the video he made of himself masturbating while reading from his new book

>>4794232
Good. Nobody cares about your husbando, little girl.

>>4794234
>little girl

I wish

>>4794232

That is a perfect metaphor of a certain way of understanding mankind. Bold, yet meaningful.

>>4794159
Wow it's like someone whacked pynchon on the head with a claw-hammer.

>2014
>literature

Wikileaks. Just read wikileaks.

>>4794244
I agree, just skip to 15:15 in link related and tell me this isn't the best thing to happen to art since the hanging of Davey Wallace

http://vimeo.com/42828233

I was born in '95 and I am starting to see the themes in my many story ideas revolve around these simple aspects; overpopulation, a crumbling system, revolution, social enlightenment, decaying urban sprawl. There's generally a sense that oppression and corruption is obvious but it's too deeply rooted into society to change it, yet the momentum picks up and soon enough that one spark is enough to ignite a new wave of liberation. Defiance of authority, and overcoming it. There's more, but I'm going to save your time instead of running off into a tangent of specific stories and interests I like to delve into.

They are all also monstrous stories, hefty little buggers set in rich diverse worlds where you can take it and write a plethora of other plots and adventures.

Then again, it could just be because I'm seeing the lingering effect of my teen edginess. Though, I thought I should share.

I am ready for backlash.

>>4794232
What the Hell is wrong with his legs? He's like a dachshund.

>>4794269
> themes in my many story ideas revolve around these simple aspects; overpopulation, a crumbling system, revolution, social enlightenment, decaying urban sprawl

*tips tinfoil hat*

>>4794272
Remember, 9/11 was an inside job anon!

>>4794269
I think the only aspect of your description which is adolescent is the idea that there is a general notion that global revolution is a hair's breadth away.

Otherwise, you have a fairly decent description of how people born in the late 80s to 95 view the world.

Neuromancer is the best analog for what I think the future of literature from the present teens-twenty somethings will be.

>>4794272
And this is how the human race dies. To the sarcastic clicking keys of reality denying faggots who won't gb2/reddit.

>>4794283
>reality denying faggots

My bad Morpheus, didn't realize it was you.

Machine war when?

>>4794293
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/02/18/air-force-stimulates-brain-waves-improve-performance-drone-operators/V8ZG5DEYze4lCoGlloq14H/story.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-surveillance-program-reaches-into-the-past-to-retrieve-replay-phone-calls/2014/03/18/226d2646-ade9-11e3-a49e-76adc9210f19_story.html

>The voice interception program, called MYSTIC, began in 2009. Its RETRO tool, short for “retrospective retrieval,” and related projects reached full capacity against the first target nation in 2011. Planning documents two years later anticipated similar operations elsewhere.

>In the initial deployment, collection systems are recording “every single” conversation nationwide, storing billions of them in a 30-day rolling buffer that clears the oldest calls as new ones arrive, according to a classified summary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix

Prepare your asshole.

>>4794304
>collection systems are recording “every single” conversation nationwide, storing billions of them in a 30-day rolling buffer that clears the oldest calls as new ones arrive

It's like one giant 4chan

>>4794318
If every single thread was d0x on some person and everything about their movements, communications, and online behavior for the past thirty days, up to five years for certain data points.

"this is how the world ends: not with a bang, but with a keystroke."

>>4794323
If you have nothing to hide why care?

You seriously think anybody cares enough to read what you posted on breakingbadforums.com?

>>4794323
>>4794318
Imagine the sheer scale of the raiding possible with those kind of d0x d00d.

>>4794099
That á disgusting degenerate.

>>4794269
I was born in 95 too and I see the same shit man. It's like a gently building end to everything and I guess it comes from both climate change and the slow deterioration of so many things in the aftermath of the end of the cold war and 9/11 and slowly approaching eschaton blah blah blah fuckity fuck

>>4794327
>If you have nothing to hide why care?

Because I don't trust anybody with that kind of access to information?

Also, consider it becomes accepted that the gov't/whoever can sleuth through everything you do online. This opens up the door for the model of "X ARRESTED FOR CONSPIRING TO COMMIT CRIME BASED ON ONLINE HISTORY", and people will shrug and go "I guess that's true" since only one group will have access to the information and only one group will get to decide what conspiring means.

>>4794327
Obviously I have things to hide. There are bad people who would use sensitive information to harm me if I ever inconvenienced them.

The existence of this sensitive information outside of my control is a radically unpredictable situation.

When East Germany collapsed, the statsi headquarters were raided and people made off with all sorts of records on who knows who. There is literally nothing assuring any of us that all of this information will not/is not already just flying away into the hands of who knows.


In fact, there is hard evidence already that the exact thing is happening.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

This is of course ignoring that contractors are controlling a lot of this information, and they have most certainly siphoned some of it for themselves.

>>4794339
>t comes from both climate change
You mean the lies about climate change?

>>4794332
Take it back to /pol/

>>4794327
>If you have nothing to hide why care?
>If you have nothing to hide why care?
>If you have nothing to hide why care?
>If you have nothing to hide why care?

>>4794344
These people look like absolute wastes of carbon.

I don't think insubstantial has ever described a set of human beings better than these ones collected here in this image.

>>4794344
That dude in the white shirt has had advanced AIDs for a while.

>>4794343
jesus christ shut the fuck up

>>4794349
You obviously don't know genius when you see it

>>4794349
based on...what? i can look in my school cafe right now and see tables full of these people.

>>4794360
I don't disbelieve you. Everything about them projects "New York drop out".

>>4794360
Post a pic

>>4794358
What are you 15? You clearly are not as genius as that prick seeing as you're gushing over him so much, and defending his derivative prose.

>>4794364
i lied for effect. i'm home for easter silly.

>>4794083

We're going to retract to modernism with a hint of romanticism in it. Just wait.

>>4794389
>Romanticism

Where is everybody getting this.

I am guessing everybody who says romantacism is still a teenager.

>>4794389
That's a pretty pleb summary of the metamodernist manifesto and you know it

>>4794400
nihilists are generally attracted to romanticism b/c it represents a way out of nihilism. (careful: i'm not saying that it *is* a way out of nihilism, but that it represents one because of how it is interpreted)

>>4794402
Metamodernism, really, boils down to conspiracy theorizing.

>>4794431
hur dur

>>4794428
I don't think anybody who wants to escape into romanticism can be described as a nihilist.

Its sort of contradictory.

>>4794433
>implying a desire to construct a a representation of reality that is "concrete" and "factual" while also being motivated by idealizations in your analysis is not conspiracy theorizing.

There's nothing wrong with it.

>>4794083

Where did you get this picture. Where can I get it framed?

b.1989

>>4794435
i'm speaking more in terms of cultural nihilism, groundless beings looking for ground. not rigidly defined nihilists, but the average modern.

I was born in 2004 and I agree with what the other people ITT are saying about society. It sucks right now but maybe we can make it better in the future, who knows!

>>4794469
Why even post /v/. Why. Did you just want us to know you're here?

>>4794469
>but maybe we can make it better in the future, who knows!

and with that, you've swept the issue under the rug and will now go and do something else.

>>4794469
>people who were born under Bush can now use the internet

I know he probably isn't ten, but its still extremely upsetting to consider.

I will save the literary world

b. 1992

>>4794083
b.1995 - can confidently say that nothing my generation writes will make a mark on history. Some of the more tormented ones may someday find a niche following, but I doubt it.

>>4794489
Your first mistake is thinking there is a literary world. Your second mistake is thinking you can save it.
No worries though, there are legions of creative writing majors who hold your sentiment.

>>4794493
le born in the wrong generation face

>>4794501
Your first mistake is not believing my greatness. You have not made a second mistake

>>4794514
I stopped believing in anyone's greatness when there are thousands of people claiming to have it, while simultaneously claiming they are the only one who will be distinguished above others.

Your third mistake is thinking you're great. Your fourth mistake is believing you have no competition.

I guess a big focus on privacy and privacy-related issues, downplaying of individualism, constructivism and more depressive thematics.

>>4794533
>downplaying of individualism

You mean meditation on the erasure of individuality? I wouldn't say this generation is particularly unconcerned about maintaining its autonomy.

>>4794349
Nah they just look like they do a lot of drugs.

>>4794469
>It sucks right now but maybe we can make it better in the future, who knows!
No, these(you) will never have survival instincts. The best way to fix society is induce unequality.

>>4794588
>imblying

you mean they do a lot of heroin.

This is what I'm talking about.

>>4794541
I see two factors that contribute to the downplaying of individualism; the globalization on so many scales in society that leads to a reduced sense of uniqueness, and the notion that privacy does't matter anymore, you're all part of something bigger, either you are aware of this or you choose not to be aware of this.

Of course this is also the -look at me being unique on facebook!- generation, but I believe this uniqueness could more be seen as an attempt to conform to certain lifestyles and pleasures than real individual approaches of the self.

>>4794083
The death of irony.

>>4794640
You're saying literary writers will embrace this idea of privacy being dead. or the individual having less intrinsic value?

It seems like you're associating individuality with narcissism or attention seeking behavior, which is not necessarily the case. I would imagine writers in the next ten to fifteen years becoming extremely preoccupied with how to preserve your humanity and natural rights, rather than how to integrate into the hive.

>>4794658
A combination of both.

And at first my description of individualism indeed fits the narcistic tag you placed upon it, but my view on individualism as a whole is more nuanced. I see individualism in general in multiple ways as something that could be more linked to a search group conformity that 'labels' a person (mind you, a person can be linked to multiple groups) than as a pure search for individuality.

>>4794679
So you yourself do not believe you are an individual, or have basic rights on the basis of personal autonomy which would make you hostile towards the destruction of privacy?

I understand what you're saying from a sociological point of view (the individual is identified by its differentiation from the aggregate of its social environment), but I don't think that necessarily means that essentially individualistic experiences (such as thinking) are obsolete or can be interfered with in a benign way.

>>4794694
I see the individual in a dualistic perspective; there's the biological individual and the social individual. The basic rights of men are derived from the biological individual, while identity is something that comes from the social individual.

>>4794711
But there isn't a difference. The social individual is an aspect of the "biological" individual. Everything we are is stimuli+biological systems.

Basic human rights in and of themselves are an assertion of preeminence for the individual person specifically pertaining to the social system and its legitimate power to interfere.

You really cannot isolate the concept.

>>4794728
That's a good point, but I don't think that this is the assumption on which human rights in essence were based. Look for instance to John Stuart Mill, who gives an essentialy utilitaristic reason for the existence of human rights.

Still a good point on the essence of individuality though.

>>4794753
I consider their basis being those things which are innately human urges, and the suppression of those urges for arbitrary reasons would be an unacceptable interference on any person's existence.

Their establishment are only necessary because other people exist to threaten or aggress against them. Without other people, individual human rights would be limitless.

>>4794762
Your notion of the essence of humanity is that of mankind as a democratic being an sich.

I have both empirical (various succesfull non-democratic states) and philosophical (Hobbes and Rousseau) evidence for the rejection of such notion, so I don't think we will find each other on this. Still it was an interesting debate (although limited by my small knowledge of the english language as a non-native speaker, I can express myself way better in my native language).

>>4794786
I wasn't referring to democratic ideals.

As an example of what I mean: all human beings think. Its essential to our existence. Censorship and the limitation speech is an attempt to limit or abridge the individuals ability to exercise their thought. Because thought is something which cannot be taken away without destroying the person, free speech is a fundamental human right.

>>4794805
I understand, but human right also consist of things such as political freedom and free and fair elections, things that are only possible in a democratic state.

The origins of human rights have always been intertwined with democracy, you can't isolate the concept as you said earlier.

>>4794817
I wasn't the person who distinguished between them....I thought you were?

>Your notion of the essence of humanity is that of mankind as a democratic being an sich.

>I have both empirical (various succesfull non-democratic states) and philosophical (Hobbes and Rousseau) evidence for the rejection of such notion

Democracy itself is just individual autonomy and its precepts being applied to the governmental system.

Individual sovereignty, as a basic objective for any human being, has probably existed since long before democratic societies did.

>>4794831
Democracy also implies other thing, such as the idea that the rule of multiple people is more effective than the rule of one.

And my earlier annotation refers to the state of nature, the essence of humanity. I consider that as something different that human rights, because human rights are principles concretely founded during the enlightenment . But again we clash here over our different views on human rights (you see the human rights as something fundamentally part of men, while I see it as a construction).

>>4794850
How can it be a construction? Disputes throughout cultures and periods of time arise pretty faithfully at the point where certain innate prerogatives amongst groups and between individuals come conflict.

>>4794860
Let's take the view of an anthropologist here; I see numerous examples of states where the distinctions between groups of people in terms of prerogatives are fully accepted, look for instance at theocracies where clerical class is dominating the administration.

As Rousseau said it; the distinction betwen various groups of people in rulers and servant (to put it cruel) could be traced back to the foundation of agriculture. And there are examples where one rebels against this subdivision, but that is not a fact at all.

I'm guessing a whole lot of negativity towards consumerism and negligence towards climate change/exploitation.

>>4794881
But the fault lines between them has always been along the typically recognized basic rights (right of aggression in defense of your livelihood, right of expression, political and economic self-governance, private property or at least the right to privacy).

When have those things not been at stake in any conflict, class or otherwise?

>>4794099
>Ben Brooks (born 1992 in Gloucestershire) is the author of five novels: Grow Up,[1] Fences,[2] An Island of Fifty, The Kasahara School of Nihilism and Upward Coast and Sadie and most recently Lolito.


I don't know what makes me feel more irritated. The pasty whiny bullshit I'm reading or the fact the man comes from the place where I lost a whole army in Medieval II's Great Britain campaign.

Since I'm already on /lit/ it's probably the latter.

i was born in '96 and have written two novels but they're shit (not as bad as this ben brooks gimp's)

>>4795037
So get them published under a pseudonym and have them stuck in the teen fic section at B&E.

>>4795037
What are they about? Dystopian future?

>>4795058
one was a ww1 war novel about mental illness, the other was a blatant copy of the divine comedy but with modern cultural references instead

>>4795007
>Medieval 2

They'll respond to the prevailing status quo of postmodern hipster cynicism with some form of neo-romantic or classical yearning.

>>4795193
god tier game

>>4794218
>and not many authors have had the opportunity to explore what it meant to come of age in a time of paranoia and mistrust
Could you elaborate on this point anon? Thank you.

>>4794159

This is my generation....welp

>>4795198
I'm working on that

>>4795171
they both sound at least relatively interesting. Care to post excerpts?

They will bring me. I predict my characteristics.

>>4794109

Smaller books.

>>4797189
Maybe just books which are stripped to small episodes which each provide some variation in style and/or content, as to counteract boredom and mirror the bombardment of information one can receive nowadays

>>4797189

single line paragraphs

consistently