/lit/ - Literature

>bolaño
otro drone de anagrama.

>>4759550
how many lenguages do you speak?

Am I?

>>4759550
Can you give me some recommendations? I've read Márquez, Borges, Cortázar, and one Bolaño's books. That's it, though.

>>4759591
Spanish (native), english and a little bit of chinese.

>>4759599
poke?

Why do my Hispanic neighbors spend so much time hanging out, being as loud as possible with their extended family in their front yard?

Question 2:

How do I make it stop?

>>4759550
How can i prepare to read Don Quijote?
>>4759556
explicate

>>4759602
read neruda

>>4759616
hahaha

>>4759602
I get the feeling your into the "boom" movement (as any other non spanish speaker), so I may point you right at Bioy, but why don't you explore something different. As far as I know Evelio Rosero (colombian author) has recently been translated. He's the future (not like Bolaño kind of future as Bolaño is just godtier) of colombian literature. Rosero is like a modern days Márquez.

>>4759616
Can't help you mate. Shoot them maybe?

>>4759617
Read Shakespeare, then Lope de Vega then El Mio Cid then Novelas ejemplares. Have fun!

>>4759621
>>4759618

Appreciate it.

>>4759617
Also a lot (and i mean a whole lot) of Spanish XIV - XV history.

What at the job outlooks for someone in the hispanic literature field?

>>4759685
Reading. Writing about what you read.

I know this isn't exactly Hispanic, but what's some good Brazilian lit? I've read Machado de Assis's Posthumous Memoirs of Bras Cubas for a class and want to know where to go from there.

My burger flipping technique is somewhat lacking. What advice can you give me?

>>4759817
Ok, one thing first: stay the fuck away from Fonseca and Amado. They both suck. Overrated bullshit.

Now we made that clear let me tell you I got what you're looking for: Joao Guimaraes Rosa. Amazing short stories that those familiarized wiith Marquez's and Rulfo's will love. Look for a story titled The three sides of the river. Thank me later.

>>4759821
Maybe you're on the wrong board?

>>4759817
Oh, and try to figure out what the third side actually is. Have fun!

>>4759817
Clarice Lispector's The Hour of the Star

Then her other stuff

>>4760001
I don't think Lispector is a good starting point unless you're already fond of solipsism. She's amazing tho.

>>4759617
not OP but this may interest you
http://oyc.yale.edu/spanish-and-portuguese/span-300

calling yourself a "hispanic" literature major clearly undermines your understanding of "hispanic literature"

>>4760928
How so?

why do you like magical realism so much

>>4761368
We don't. Non spanish speaking people love it, tho. I mean, we do like it but had enough already!

>>4759550
Do you consider Death of Artemio Cruz a bad work trying to be good or vice versa?

Are you a literature major of the hispanic persuasion or are you majoring in hispanic literature

>>4761372
I think he was onto something. You have to think about Fuentes' historical context. I mean, everyone was trying to come up with new things. I understand that Artemio Cruz may be read as too much right now. It just didn't age well.

>>4761373
Im majoring in hispanic literature.

>>4759616
Kill them or move away from them. They wont stop being loud while they remain alive.

Serious question so I hope you can give me a serious unbiased answer, in other words: im not expecting an opinion:

Is there an original production in hispanic lit? Cause there is sure good stuff but everything is a mirror from the great masters overseas. Note that originality does not mean applying what they do to a local situation.

>>4761389
Of course. Most of it failed and is of the interest of literary historians only tho. Anyway, you may want to point your eyes at Cuba. Their neo barroquism was pretty much not influenced by the outside. Also poetry, a lot of poetry. Anyway, while I think I understand your question, it comes to me as you're being a little bit unfair. There is no such thing as "original", everything has to be influenced by anything, and in the study of literature this is an everyday thing. Adn the end of the day, you cant' write something and not being influenced by Shakespeare even if you've never read his plays. Literary movements with less influence from the outside may be magical realism, "narco" literature and indigenism (literature about native tribes).

¿Has leído La Sombra del Águila?
¿Y Todos los Detectives se Llaman Flanagan?

>>4761415
No, I haven't. Looking forward for the first tho.

>>4761419
what's your opinion on alejo carpentier

>>4759599
>I speak a little bit of Chinese
>Chinese
>speak
>also not specifying which Spanish

>>4761432
He was an erudite. Baroque Concert is one if the most carefully carfted works i've ever read. But not my cup of tea to be honest, I can appreciate it but won't take it to a desert island.

>>4761444
I took Chinese courses but left because it's not fun if you're not in fucking China.

>which Spanish
lolwut

>>4761455
He has a point, but is like saying you speak english tne specifyng brithish, american or whatever.

>>4761449
The point is that 'speaking Chinese' is like saying 'speaking European'.

>>4761462
Ya, pero la verdad es que es bastante indiferente en cuanto a los idiomas que hablas...
Me acabo de empezar los detectives salvajes, que es lo que me espera? Los primeros capítulos me están gustando mucho

>>4761405
I see your point about influence and that is kinda evident; what i meant by originality was not a piece of literature written ex nihilo and standing on its own, but, to call it somehow, a movement (in the sense of motion and not of group) made in a certain context with a certain role and influence on it. To put it in other words, a piece of literature that is not just a book to read in your free time, but a book that shows and also acts inside society itself, that expresses this society's situation and at the same time changes it by its influence.

But anyway, by writing this I realize there is no such thing cause hispanic people dont have an important place in their culture for reading, so when they read, they cancel all possible effect of the reading by the sole idea they have of what literature is.

If you dont speak another language or have extensively, intensively and systematically read something else than spanish lit then i know you wont get what im saying cause im also hispanic and came to this realization only when i came into contact with french works.

>>4759550
I'm into Enrique Vila-Matas and César Aira. Bolaño has been my guide to not only Spanish-speaking literature but to world literature as a whole. His column Entre paréntesis along with the Biblioteca personal of Borges more or less make up what I have in my personal library, either having read them or soon to read.

My question for you is could you send me an email response telling me about your favourite writers and books?

>>4761462
>he thinks "english" (or any language) is a monolithical entity that stands as a unity

yeah, and spanish is the same in Latin Am, Spain and Phillipines.

>>4761493
So El Laberinto de la soledad, Pedro Páramo and Terra Nostra are not enough for you? And that's just México.

>>4761501
I have a minor on linguistics. I just don't argue over it on the internet because it's not my field of work.

Can you make a living out of it?

>>4761773
As long as youre not lazy and have a real talent for it, yes.

Not op, but the most important hispanic writers who are rarely read in the USA are Rulfo (only has 2 short books), Alejo Carpentier and Rubén Darío (poet, so I would only recommend it to those who understand spanish)

>>4761466
Is it really? Aren't mandarin and cantonese dialects of the same language?

>>4762257
yeah, but they're not mutually intelligible, not as closely related as, say, english and scottish english. more like german and dutch.

>>4762237

>rulfo

You're a bit late pal.
NPR was pimping Pedro Paramo a few weeks back.

>>4762257
>>4762268
Written Chinese is fairly intelligible among the various dialects/languages, and it's not out of line to refer to 'written Chinese', but it is the case that in speech they are far less so.

>>4761349
maybe my statement was a little critical as i don't want to ridicule your field of study but this is what i meant. Hispanic denotes a relationship to the Iberian peninsula or in other words Spain and Portugal. while this is find within itself most of the authors that fall under "hispanic literature" were born in a Latin American country, which in a sense has a connection to the peninsula.
However where my disagreement occurs is that literature from Latin America while based off of an Iberian language is distinctly separate from Hispanic literature in the sense that it regards the peninsula not as a genetic fatherland but more as only one participant that has contributed to the social abomination which is Latin America. Latin America should be seen as a region that is about 500 years old, was colonized for 300 years, has been independent for 200, and is made up of indigenous, iberian and other european, african and asian ethnicities. The problem with Latin American literature is that it is constantly but into a box in comparison with other forms. literature is supposed to be a subjective account of the human condition, which many great Latin American writers portray. My favourite is Bolano as he understands that being a Latin American literary figure means to be constantly jumping out of that said box. As a chilean who grew up in mexico and died in spain, he gets just how strange the region is as a result of hundreds of years of absurdities. Thats why i dont like the term hispanic literature of hispanic in general when discussing Latin America. im interested to know what university you are studying at?

>>4764011
Latin american here. Could you elaborate more on this part. I'm genuinely interested.

> The problem with Latin American literature is that it is constantly put into a box in comparison with other forms. literature is supposed to be a subjective account of the human condition, which many great Latin American writers portray. My favourite is Bolano as he understands that being a Latin American literary figure means to be constantly jumping out of that said box. As a chilean who grew up in mexico and died in spain, he gets just how strange the region is as a result of hundreds of years of absurdities.

What is this box you speak of and what kind of absurdities you notice in his writings?

Any gaucho lit you'd recommend with english translations for a guy drawing sources of inspiration for a wild west project?

>>4764011
I mostly ever hear this shit from Anglicized latinos that try to support their whitey brethen in their self loathing. But mostly white people. Its actually a pretty fucking hegemonically white way of looking at things.

Also, please go fuck yourself you fucking faggot. By faggot I don't mean you take dicks up your ass, but I'm sure you do. By faggot I mean overly sensitive pale face bitch.

i don't know what you mean. and i guess i'm a faggot. i read books after all.

>>4767015
The box is simply the cliches that are associated with the region. A blanket history of Spanish colonialism is one of them. The conquistadors came with Catholicism and Spanish and now Latin American countries are similar because they are simply Catholic and Speak Spanish. In fact i see it much more complicated than this as does Bolano, who has no homeland but is refereed to as Chilean. Literature is literature and history is separate, but its still pretty important for context whether you are writing about it directly or are merely within it. Magical realism is dead; sleepy villages, dictators, ghosts...

can i get some recommendations for english translation of hispanic stuff please? fell in love with juan rulfo a few month ago, would love to find something like that again, or something magical realist/existential or something.

>>4767070
wow, you sure proved him wrong by calling him white and gay

What's some good but relatively unknown fantasy spanish authors? I like Jose Emilio Pacheco (who has some pretty neat surreal short stories) and Emiliano Gonzalez, if that's any reference.

>>4759550
Can I have some fries with my big mac?

>>4767655
Read El Tunel by Ernesto Sabato.
Be ready to feel some feels

>>4768362
Spaghetti stories: The Book

>>4768474
what stories
there is only 1 story in that book

Who is most like Bolano in the current "Hispanic" literary landscape?

The Savage Detectives is my favorite novel but I'm not ready to jump into 2666 yet because I have to save it for a time when I'm feeling very desolate.

Are you prepared to spend the rest of your life as a barista? Because a degree in hispanic literature is worth nothing.