/lit/ - Literature

Hemingway was what?

"People should learn to mind their own business." William Burroughs

>>468477
>>468136
seem prettymuch the same

Man alone is an end unto himself. Everything one tries to do for he common good ends in failure.
- Albert Camus, The Rebel

The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience. It would be easy, however, to destroy that good conscience by shouting to them: if you want the happiness of the people, let them speak out and tell what kind of happiness they want and what kind they don’t want! But, in truth, the very ones who make use of such alibis know they are lies; they leave to their intellectuals on duty the chore of believing in them and of proving that religion, patriotism, and justice need for their survival the sacrifice of freedom.
- Albert Camus, Homage to an Exile

The moving forces of socialism are envy and laziness. .. they hate and envy the prominent, self-evolved individuals unwilling to let themselves be enlisted in the ranks for the production of mass effect.

Socialism can serve to teach—in a truly brutal and impressive fashion—what danger there lies in all accumulations of state power, and to that extent to implant mistrust of the state itself. When its harsh voice takes up the watchword "as much state as possible," it thereby at first sounds noisier than ever; but soon the opposite cry comes through with all the greater force: "as little state as possible."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

The mania for giving the Government power to meddle with the private affairs of cities or citizens is likely to cause endless trouble, through the rivalry of schools and creeds that are anxious to obtain official recognition, and there is great danger that our people will lose our independence of thought and action which is the cause of much of our greatness, and sink into the helplessness of the man who expects his government to feed him when hungry, clothe him when naked, to prescribe when his child may be born and when he may die, and, in fine, to regulate every act of humanity from the cradle to the tomb, including the manner in which he may seek future admission to paradise.
- Mark Twain

All things truly wicked start from an innocence. When you give power to an executive, you do not know who will be filling that position when the time of crisis comes.

The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists.
- Ernest Hemingway

>>469283
I didn't realize Nietzsche was so dumb

There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him.
– Robert Heinlein

I see somebody's really ANGRY about healthcare reform.

You cannot adopt politics as a profession and remain honest.
– Ambrose Bierce

>>469319

"Blortch blortch blortch blortch nevermind me I swim in a cloud of scotch."

Robert A. Heinlein, 1980

I wanted to change the world. But I have found that the only thing one can be sure of changing is oneself.
– Aldous Huxley

A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.

Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.

All modes of government are failures. Despotism is unjust to everybody, including the despot, who was probably made for better things. Oligarchies are unjust to the many, and ochlocracies are unjust to the few. High hopes were once formed of democracy; but democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.

Individualism is a disturbing and disintegrating force. There lies its immense value. For what it seeks is to disturb monotony of type, slavery of custom, tyranny of habit, and the reduction of man to the level of a machine. To ask whether Individualism is practical is like asking whether Evolution is practical. Evolution is the law of life, and there is no evolution except towards Individualism. Where this tendency is not expressed, it is a case of artificially arrested growth, or of disease, or of death.
- Oscar Wilde

>>469359
de quien?

>>469322
Reform in the what now? I don't care about your crappy nation.

I believe totally in a Capitalist System, I only wish that someone would try it.
- Franklin Lloyd Wright

>>469360
>individualism asserted in quotation
>from essay "The Soul of Man Under Socialism"
>you missed the point

Every State is corrupt... What satire on government can equal the severity of censure conveyed in the word Politic, which now for ages has signified cunning, intimating that the State is a trick? Hence, the less government we have, the better, — the fewer laws, and the less confided power. The antidote to this abuse of formal Government, is, the influence of private character, the growth of the Individual.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

>>469379

Wilde was an individualist above all else, and his "socialism" was 100% individually voluntary. It was not "socialism" as the word is defined today.

If the Socialism is Authoritarian; if there are Governments, then the last state of man will be worse than the first...Every man must be left quite free to choose his own work. No form of compulsion must he exercised over him. If there is, his work will not be good for him, will not be good in itself, and will not be good for others. And by work I simply mean activity of any kind...All association must be quite voluntary. It is only in voluntary associations that man is fine.
- Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man Under Socialism

Government never furthered any enterprise but by the alacrity with which it got out of its way.

That government is best which governs least.

– Henry David Thoreau

A democracy is a place where numerous elections are held, at great cost, without issues, and with interchangeable candidates.
– Gore Vidal

>>469390
Socialism cannot be defined by the common mis-usage of the word, same a Capitalism can't be defined by the most faithful application of the model, China.

There is no crueler tyranny that that which is perpetrated under the shield of law and in the name of justice.
– Montesquieu

"By saying that our leaders are power-drunk chimpanzees, am I in danger of wrecking the morale of our soldiers fighting and dying in the Middle East? ... Their morale, like so many bodies, is already shot to pieces. They are being treated, as I never was, like toys a rich kid got for Christmas."

"The only difference between Hitler and Bush is that Hitler was elected."

"I myself feel that our country, for whose Constitution I fought in a just war, might as well have been invaded by Martians and body snatchers. Sometimes I wish it had been. What has happened, though, is that it has been taken over by means of the sleaziest, low-comedy, Keystone Cops-style coup d’etat imaginable. And those now in charge of the federal government are upper-crust C-students who know no history or geography, plus not-so-closeted white supremacists, aka 'Christians,' and plus, most frighteningly, psychopathic personalities,or 'PPs.'"

When asked how he was doing at the start of a 2003 interview, he replied: "I'm mad about being old and I'm mad about being American. Apart from that, OK."

"During the Vietnam War, every respectable artist in this country was against the war. It was like a laser beam. We were all aimed in the same direction. The power of this weapon turns out to be that of a custard pie dropped from a stepladder six feet high."

>>469379
>faggot who doesn't understand the varying meanings of the word socialism in a historical context

>>469423
The common usage of a word (as is caputured in dictionaries, encyclopedias, and news aggregators) is the functional definition of the word.

Words have no magic, instrinsic, inherent meaning.

Anyway, whatever, I'm not interested in arguing semantics. Wilde was not any kind of "socialist" by modern definition. He was an individualist and voluntaryist.

>>469431
the proper criticism against you is not that you are misjudging the role of definitions, but you are ignorant of the history and heritage of socialism.

>>469432
Nicely put.

>>469432
>>469436
>cornbread
>onionring
wat

>>469432

I am aware that "socialism" used to have (and in a marginal subculture still does have) an individualist, non-statist, and voluntary definition. Benjamin Tucker, George Orwell, Albert Einstein, etc. etc.

Fine.

That's still not the modern definition of the word.

>>469439
well, when you are talking about actual socialists, they define themselves. so instead of saying wilde is not a socialist in today's sense of the word, you should just say he is not a typical statist socialist.

Cogito, ergo sum
-Descartes

>>469439
The modern usage of the word doesn't denote anything particularly meaningful.

>>469446
Most self-described "socialists" I know are Trots, council communists, statist majoritarians, etc. I don't know any who adhere to individualism or voluntaryism.

But fine, point taken.

>>469439
>non-statist
what's a statist? someone who's being static on a film set?

>>469431

But you are not using the ones that dictionaries or encyclopedias capture. You are implying Socialism must be compulsory, in your "modern" interpretation of Wilde.

Between no intrinsic, inherited meaning and the meaning you wish they had lies an ocean of distance.

If Wilde isn't a socialist by "modern definition". Then so isn't Marx according to Lenin or Lenin according to Mao or America according to American people.

First halfway reasonable debate about politics /lit/ has ever had, and the difference between socialism and capitalism can't even be defined.

Just start raging about ayn rand and get it over with.

>>469461
more or less, believes that the state as a structure and an entity is a good thing - political theories that engage with and include the state as a viable thing are statist

Petty laws breed great crimes.
– Ouida

>>469463
I find Ayn Rand more attractive as a woman than annoying as a philosopher. It's their followers the ones I can't stand.

Live and let live.
– Friedrich von Schiller

>>469462
>But you are not using the ones that dictionaries or encyclopedias capture.

socialism
[Show phonetics]
noun [U]
any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production

-Cambridge International Dictionary of English

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=socialism*1+0&dict=A

>>469487
is that the extent of your political readings, young man

>>469490
No.

>>469495
must be close to it

>>469502
I was responded specifically to:

>But you are not using the ones that dictionaries

>>469502
I responded specifically to:

>But you are not using the ones that dictionaries

>>469487
It never mentions Authoritarianism.

inb4 it's implied

>>469521

>government ownership and control

>if there are Governments, then the last state of man will be worse than the first

...

Is government individually voluntary? No.

is there some kind of bot on /lit/ that spams the same, tired right-wing quotes in every vaguely political thread...?

not necessarily. if by govt you mean soemthing like "not decentralized, individual decisionmaking body" then it does not necessarily = authoritarian govt.

The only secure basis for oligarchy is collectivism.
- George Orwell

The so-called 'abolition of private property' which took place in the middle years of the century meant, in effect, the concentration of property in far fewer hands than before... [That] which grew out of the earlier Socialist movement and inherited its phraseology, has in fact carried out the main item in the Socialist programme; with the result, foreseen and intended beforehand, that economic inequality has been made permanent.
- George Orwell, 1984

Left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot.
- George Orwell

Fascism is everywhere advancing, this is largely the fault of the Socialists themselves. Partly it is due to the mistaken communist tactic of sabotaging democracy, i.e. sawing off the branch you are sitting on; but still more to the fact that Socialists have, so to speak, presented their case wrong side foremost. They have never made it sufficiently clear that the essential aims of Socialism are justice and liberty.
- George Orwell

>>469538
i don't see any quotes that are especially "right-wing"

Oscar Wilde was by no definition a socialist. The word you're looking for is "sodomist"!

>>469559
srs?

>>469552
leftists can be disillusioned by the contemporary doings of the left. doesn't make them rightwingers though

Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. The politician attempts to remedy the evil by increasing the very thing that caused the evil in the first place, legal plunder.

And now that the legislators and do-gooders have futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems. And try liberty.

- Frederic Bastiat

>>469530
>Is government individually voluntary? No.

It is, it's called the Social Contract.

>>469566
get used to americans, euro. you're so full of social democracy shit!

>>469577
The "social contract" is not individually voluntary, derpanon. Look up "voluntary" in a dictionary.

The definition of socialism, especially in the 19th century, is VERY loose. Marx and Engels use socialism and communism as interchangeable words. Lenin said that socialism was the stage between capitalism and communism. Nowadays, socialism tends to mean left but not ultra left. Defining the word is nearly impossible and should be trashed. Whenever I read the word socialist, I read it as: A person who believes in the welfare of the poor.

>>469580
yeah but the social contract as an actual thing is full of shit sooooo

>>469587
Indeed.

The state exacts the utmost degree of obedience and sacrifice from its citizens, but at the same time it treats them like children... It absolves itself from the guarantees and treaties by which it was bound, and makes unabashed confession of its own rapacity and lust for power, which the private individual has then to sanction in the name of patriotism.
- Sigmund Freud, Thoughts for the Times of War and Death

>>469573
>contemporary
>Wilde, Emerson, Twain, Nietzsche

>>469582
>Whenever I read the word socialist, I read it as: A person who believes in the welfare of the poor.
I do, also I believe it should be cut. What kind of a socialist am I? don't like thousand schools blooming all over the place?

>>469552
I doubt the validity of the quotes as Blair was a socialist. Read any of his non-fiction. He was published by the Left Book Club.

>>469593
Never mind, talking about Orwell. I thought you were replying to someone else.

>>469593
>>469593

>>469580
>vol·un·tary
>proceeding from the will or from one's own choice or consent

I fail to see what makes social contract involuntary.

>>469603
see
>>469439

>>469614
it's not involuntary, it just does not describe reality.

>>469614
In most conceptions of the social contract, the social contract is not something that every individual in society actually individually agrees to. Rather, a group of people band together and form a social contract, and later people born into that society are considered to have signed the social contract implicitly.

>>469616
>>469614

Yes, dipshits, the so-called "social contract" is individually involuntary by definition.

lrn2Rawls
lrn2Nozick
lrn2commonsense

>>469615
Socialism isn't statist.

>>469621
is that why rawls original position is a thought experiment? derp durr hurr

>>469614
Did you individually choose or consent to the "social contract?"

No, by fucking definition.

>>469622
>>469624

Wow, there are some sincerely stupid anons in here tonight..

The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor — not by force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally established rules. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

>>469619
They always end up grouping with other people, it's inevitable.

>>469621
It's the convergence of wills. There's nothing involuntary about that. Unless you care to explain us why instead of resorting to appeals to authority.

>>469636
>They always end up grouping with other people, it's inevitable.

What the hell does that even mean? Did you even understand what I said? I was explaining the mechanism of the social contract and laying out the reason that it is largely involuntary even in the mind of those who created it - because it is impossible for later members of the society to explicitly endorse the social contract. What does that have to do with your statement?

>>469626
You can reject it if born into to end up into another. I wouldn't call it involuntary but inevitable.

Definition doesn't mention what you imply.

>>469631
Einstein, 3 years later:

It is no accident that capitalism has brought with it progress not merely in production but also in knowledge. Egoism and competition are, alas, stronger forces than public spirit and sense of duty. Perhaps I am overpessimistic concerning state and other forms of communal enterprise, but I expect little good from them.
- Albert Einstein, Production and Work, 1954

Any power must be an enemy of mankind which enslaves the individual by power and by force, whether it arises under the Fascist or the Communist flag. All that is valuable in human society depends upon the opportunity for development accorded to the individual in freedom.
- Albert Einstein

>>469630
Communism is defined as a classless, STATELESS society.

>>469630
please explain yourself so i can call you a sophomoric retard

>>469645
It's still involuntary, and doesn't even exist as a coherent concept. It's a joke.

>>469631
>>469652

>>469642
I thought you were following the conversation. Let me rephrase it for you.

They (individuals that don't agree upon a social contract) always end up grouping with other people (to form a new contract), it's inevitable. (to escape social contracts in a way or another, voluntarily).

Alright guys, let's all get along and have a laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEnkDEgALGI

>>469664
contractarians and their fairy tale history of societies. genius stuff really

>>469659
>It's still involuntary
Because you said it is?

>and doesn't even exist as a coherent concept.
It exists in reality.

>It's a joke.
You are living in a joke then.

>>469671
Care to make an argument or you rather avoid discussion to remain intellectually virgin?

>>469675
are you actually under the impression that the contractarian picture is an actual description of how social authorities are formed, rather than a rationalized justification of the existing structures?

>>469666
Funny, though I don't agree with Zizek on much.

"I never vote. It just encourages them."

Robert Prosky in Turk 182

>>469680
Existing structures are build from consensus, not anarchical individualism

The famous 'going beyond' Marxism in an idealistic and humanitarian direction is a joke and an idle dream. It is impossible to 'go beyond' Marx, for he himself carried his thought to its extreme logical consequences. The Communists have a solid logical basis for using lies and violence.
- Albert Camus, The Self-Deception of the Socialism

The famous 'going beyond' Marxism in an idealistic and humanitarian direction is a joke and an idle dream. It is impossible to 'go beyond' Marx, for he himself carried his thought to its extreme logical consequences. The Communists have a solid logical basis for using lies and violence.
- Albert Camus, The Self-Deception of the Socialist

>>469691
not consensus my dear, but power.

>>469691
Different anon, but what is the basic unit that makes up "the consensus?"

And you didn't answer the question he/she asked.

>>469702
Consensus give up individual power that is

I'm going to say what's obvious to me: Communism is a fraud at best and a monstrous tyranny more probably. I've seen it in action. I know what it's like.

There is no longer a general socialist critique of capitalism -- certainly not the sort of critique that proposes an alternative or a replacement. There just is not and one has to face the fact.

Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the “transcendent” and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don’t be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish. Picture all experts as if they were mammals. Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence. Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.

- Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contraria

>>469705
I think my answer was clearly implied. Basic unit, given the right conditions, can theoretically be anything from 3 individuals I suppose.

>>469705
i think my answer was clearly implied. Basic unit, given the right conditions, can theoretically be anything from 3 individuals I suppose.

>>469721
>Communism is a fraud at best and a monstrous tyranny more probably.
>I've seen it in action. I know what it's like.

Where? When?

Show me a black and white face critiquing Marx-Engels' actual work and not the actions of corrupt Leninist regimes, plz. We all know vanguard parties suck.

>>469721
But it can be cute.

>>469725

Czechoslovakia.

>>469711
well, that would be the case if people actually agree with the contract. if people do not, then there is no contract by definition.

>>469729

>>469727
You can't seriously justify Leninist and Stalinist outrages by calling those regimes 'vanguard' parties, can you? Do you really expect people to listen to that?

>>469728
yeah

>>469732

>>469733
Wah? I wasn't justifying them. I said they suck.

>>469728

there is a strong tendency for those who have lived under former communist regimes to understand communism etc as foremost authoritarian and statist. this tends to form the emotional wellspring of a strong liberal (in the classical sense obviously) right wing politics. but the fact of the matter is, there is so much more to socialism than that. it is in essence the commitment to social hopes of progress. it's humanism.

>>469739

>>469727

Consider the Marxist idea of ‘from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.’ What an incentive for people to minimize their abilities and maximize their needs. Can you imagine a better formula for destroying society?
- Henry Manne

>>469741

>>469727

Once you look at it critically, the gaps and loopholes and inconsistencies in Marxism become obvious. Take its central point with respect to violence, the dictatorship of the prols: who were the prols? Lenin, Trotsky, and the other leaders? The communists had never formed a majority. They did not even hold a majority among the workers in the factory. Take the heart of the Marxian argument - It consists of a historical phrophecy, combined with an implicit appeal to the following moral law: Help to bring about the inevitable!
- Karl Popper

>>469741
That is some tasty selection bias.

>>469731
Nowhere in the definition it's implied social contracts can't be broken (or bended i might add) , but it's in individuals best interest to accept the statu quo if it's favorable to them.

>>469727

Marxism is a religion. To the believer it presents, first, a system of ultimate ends that embody the meaning of life and are absolute standards by which to judge events and actions; and, secondly, a guide to those ends which implies a plan of salvation and the indication of the evil from which mankind, or a chosen section of mankind, is to be. Marxist socialism belongs to that subgroup which promises paradise on this side of the grave.
- Joseph A. Schumpeter

>>469746

>>469762
That's Duke Windsor, not Joseph Schumpeter.

I'd have expected people so obviously biased against Communism to actually read the people they quote, at least Marxists read Marx, Maoists read Mao, Trotskists (?) read Trotsky, but what do Libertarians and Capitalists read, not even Ayn Rand.

>>469762
That's the Duke of Windsor, not Joseph Schumpeter.

I'd have expected people so obviously biased against Communism to actually read the people they quote, at least Marxists read Marx, Maoists read Mao, Trotskists (?) read Trotsky, but what do 4chan Libertarians and Capitalists read, not even Ayn Rand.

>>469762
>Marxism is a philosophy that hopes to improve society

Right, we're on the same page here.

>>469749
>Lenin, Trotsky, Soviets is misapplied Marxism

Tell me something I don't know.

>>469745
>semantics

>>469779
>responds to picture only
>thinks the picture was supposed to schumpeter

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>>469779
>Trotskists

I call 'em Trots, and when they're jonesing to revolutionize something, I say, "They're hot to Trot!"

>>469781
>Marxism is a philosophy that hopes to improve society

Not what it said...

>>Lenin, Trotsky, Soviets is misapplied Marxism

Nope:

Take the heart of the Marxian argument - It consists of a historical phrophecy, combined with an implicit appeal to the following moral law: Help to bring about the inevitable!
- Karl Popper

>semantics

Uh no, it's basic economic logic.

Consider the Marxist idea of ‘from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.’ What an incentive for people to minimize their abilities and maximize their needs.
- Henry Manne

>>469782
>responds to a post asking for Communism critics with W/B pictures
>post a W/B picture of the Duke of Windsor with a Schumpeter quote

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>>469788
>Not what it said...

I paraphrased and removed the scare word, "RELIGION."

>Nope:
>Take the heart of the Marxian...blahblah

Yeah, Marx fucked some of his predictions up. However, he wrote about other things than just predicting a proletariat revolution. I think Das Kapital has some stuff in there about capital or some shit. Even Hitchens respects historical materialism as a legitimate reading of history.

>Uh no, it's basic economic logic.

I honestly don't understand what "minimizing your abilities and maximizing your needs" really entails. How do I minimize my abilities? Lie to my career counselor about how bad I am at things? Remove materia from my weapon slots?

Talking about how people would behave in a certain kind of society draws us into a nature vs nurture debate, which economics is not properly equipped to resolve.

>>469788
>Consider the Marxist idea of ‘from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.’
>What an incentive for people to minimize their abilities and maximize their needs.
Quote is taken out of context, Manne picks one of Marx postulates and presents it as a (variable) means of wealth distribution rather than a goal in itself.

>>469808
just read this

>>469788
>phrophecy
No [sic].

Enjoy your status as a moron.

>subjectivism
rofl wtf

>>469827
typo not in original...

>>469833
i.e. logic, yes.

>>469749
>Once you look at it critically, the gaps and loopholes and inconsistencies in Marxism become obvious. Take its central point with respect to violence, the dictatorship of the prols: who were the prols? Lenin, Trotsky, and the other leaders?
popper is a putz. the dictatorship of the proletariate was to replace the dictatorship of the capitalists once the first take hold of the means of production.
lenin added a vanguard party to make russia fit for a dictatorship of the proletariate, to disband itself later on. it never did.
>Take the heart of the Marxian argument - It consists of a historical phrophecy, combined with an implicit appeal to the following moral law: Help to bring about the inevitable!
strawman marxists are scary indeed.
>>469762
>Marxism is a religion. To the believer it presents, first, a system of ultimate ends that embody the meaning of life and are absolute standards by which to judge events and actions; and, secondly, a guide to those ends which implies a plan of salvation and the indication of the evil from which mankind, or a chosen section of mankind, is to be.
that's what a religion does. marxism preaches pursuit of own interests rather than of those propagated by the ruling class.
>Marxist socialism belongs to that subgroup which promises paradise on this side of the grave.
all economy does exactly that.
a strawman again.

>>469839
the joke is, it is not an -ism. only randoids think that subjectivity is something worth debating over.

>>469849
they have some coherent demands

f.i.: disband the central bank.
stop feeding the fat cats
feed nobody and defend the upright small bourgeois.

>>469818
Informational inefficiency also exists in Capitalism and ever other economical organization system I can think off, otherwise we wouldn't need them.

Market prices have proved to be a much more efficient than CP, but they are not extent from distortions and plagued by externalities.

Mises doesn't consider technology might provide a solution to complex economical calculations.

>>469849

>>469818
Mises is hopelessly outdated. gtfo

>>469552
FAKE QUOTES SPAM BOT STRIKES AGAIN

>>469913
It's not a bot. IT'S NOT A BOT.

It's a sad NZ economist who isn't working in their capital city.

>>469914
it's that guy who has all these quotes taken from books he's never read and who has almost no comprehension of actual political thought ...

seriously, how many times can this guy keep spamming /lit/ with the same quotes, the same arguments and the same pictures?

what does he get out of it? If he's an economist, surely he has work to do? And if he's so big on the NZ anarcho-capitalist "scene" (yeah, all three of them) why not engage in acutal propaganda work in the real world?

Oh, I forgot: it's just easier to deluge /lit/ with mindless copypasta ...

We need a politics board where all you idiots can argue to your heart's content.

>>469922
>And if he's so big on the NZ anarcho-capitalist "scene" (yeah, all three of them) why not engage in acutal propaganda work in the real world?

The NZ anarchist scene is, like everywhere else, dominated by working class anarchists who seek a society governed by workers control (broadly, communism). NZ has a hard-on for anarchocapitalism because it lets them make sense of Rogernomics as some kind of heroic national myth when really they got fucked so hard their uterus prolapsed.

Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

>Not an argument! Politics of your favourite authors.

LOL EPIC TROLLING BRAH SO RANDUM AND SUBTLE